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Author Topic: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method  (Read 26474 times)

Offline HeairBear

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Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
« on: December 22, 2007, 09:13:36 PM »
I know what you are thinking. I have posted in the wrong topic and that this should be moved to the Electrolysis section. What this post concerns, though, is what I think Stan was hiding or leaving out of his patents, videos, or any documentation that I have found, is a piezoelectric element inside the negative cathode tube or plate. So, in essence, the inner tube would be an electrode/transducer. I am currently researching piezoelectric materials for use in my next experiments in hopes of confirming my gut feeling that Stan used cavitation and electrolysis to get the amounts of gasses he was producing.

A small reference I found in US patent 4798661, FIG. 7. Described as... "a crossectional perspective of a multiple layer sandwich resistive element for inhibiting electron leakage". He also states... "In this embodiment of the current inhibitor connected to the inner plate having the negative voltage applied thereto, comprises a stainless steel sandwich with a resistive material therebetween. The stainless steel is a poor conductive material and hence will restrict to some extent the electron flow. Other poor conductive material may be used in lieu of the stainless steel. The electron inhibitor is connected in the same manner as resistor, between the inner plate having the negative potential connected to it and ground. The resistive value of the electron inhibitor is chosen empirically to a closest value, thereafter the total value of the resistance is fine tuned by the resistor connected serially between the inner plate and ground. To alter the resistive value of the electron inhibitor, the resistive material comprising a mixture with a binder is altered in the percentage of resistive material to binder."

What an odd way to add resistance, don't you think? He calls it an "electron inhibitor" and not a resistor. This puzzled me for a long time until I learned the fundamentals of sonochemistry and cavitation. In a nutshell, we can vibrate liquids at ultrasonic speeds to get a desired affect only achievable at certain frequencies and/or multiples of frequencies such as harmonics and polyphonic tones. Cavitation is partly the fracturing of the molecules caused by the vibration. Today we use this technology in devices such as ultrasonic cleaners and chemical reaction chambers for mixing and increasing chemical reactions up to a million fold.

Now, the question next for me was, "What is electrolysis?".

e?lec?trol?y?sis [i-lek-trol-uh-sis, ee-lek-] ?noun

Physical Chemistry. the passage of an electric current through an electrolyte with subsequent migration of positively and negatively charged ions to the negative and positive electrodes.

Well, if it's well known that cavitation can increase chemical reactions up to a million fold, then, why not electrolysis? It's a chemical reaction. Let's look into this a little further...

A piezoelectric ceramic element exposed to an alternating electric field changes dimensions cyclically, at the frequency of the field. The frequency at which the element vibrates most readily in response to the electrical input, and most efficiently converts the electrical energy input into mechanical energy -- the  resonance frequency -- is determined by the composition of the ceramic material and by the shape and volume of the element.

As the frequency of cycling is increased, the element's oscillations first approach a frequency at which impedance is minimum (maximum admittance). This frequency also is the resonance frequency. As the frequency is further increased, impedance increases to a maximum (minimum admittance), which also is the anti-resonance frequency. These frequencies are determined by experiment

This explains why Stan was getting parallel LC resonance characteristics out of a series LC circuit. In his earlier designs, the use of the VIC was not yet implemented which proves the chokes are not as important as some believe. It's the old trick of watching the right hand while the left hand does the work unseen. He wants you to think it's all in the circuitry when in fact it's in the cell.

When ever you see a video of Stan describing how the "Water Fuel Cell" worked, he would always say: "Let the voltage do the work." Any of you out there whom have experimented with electrolysis of water painstakingly know that more voltage causes more current to flow. It's a catch22. By simply utilizing piezoelectric materials in a proper configuration, we can achieve, very easily, high levels of voltage and still only consume about 500 mA.

Having all this and more in mind, I am at the point of devising a inexpensive and readily available material for use as a piezoelectric material. I have found many pre-manufactured elements but what I am truly looking for is what Stan may have used with his so called binder. One possibility would be to use corona dope mixed with quartz powder. I know very little in this area, so, please, if you have any pertinent information about how to go about building my own piezoelectric material, let me know. Quartz seems to be the best choice for it's properties and low cost. It would also seem rather difficult to cut a perfect fit solid crystal into a tube.

enough writing for now, back to research. Thanx for reading my post and any comments you might have. Cheers!

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Offline AhuraMazda

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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2007, 11:53:01 PM »
Heairbear
It is a good idea to mix conventional electrolysis with ultrasonics.

I found a couple nearly relavant links and look forward to your results.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oNZcLyCR_Q
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/jmsc/1998/00000033/00000011/00339017;jsessionid=1ep9zh54lqhet.alexandra

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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2007, 12:30:22 AM »
Just of the top of my head,

As to the material Stan might have used only three come readily to mind, Cane sugar, Rochelle salt and zinc oxide. All three are piezoelectric. Since cane sugar and Rochelle salt are water soluble that really only leaves zinc oxide as a likely contender.

Hope this helps

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2008, 11:01:25 PM »
Interesting idea

Have a look at wikipedia on piezo electricity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity#High_voltage_and_power_sources

A lot of interesting info, like electric lighters using piezo electric crystal to obtain high voltages and resulting sparks....


Offline HeairBear

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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2008, 03:21:08 AM »
Thank you Hans and oystla!

oystla, you are the first person to actually read something about this technology and comment on it to me. I have been talking to others about it and they all think I'm out of my mind. Or, at least that is the impression I get. You made my day with that link. Thank you!

Hans, do you have any more info on zinc oxide? I've looked around and didn't find much and I thought maybe you might have a secret stash of links to some good reading.

Thanks again and have a great day!

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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2008, 09:32:24 PM »
HI all,
@HB
Keeley got OU using a Quarts Xtal in series with a hand wound TX a res. and a cap.. driven by a near audio vari. freq generator. The problem is the Tx core material (barium something someting)
he used has been made unavailable by the company that made it. Thanks DOD (sarc..)
The quarts Xtal was $25 from a Tex. comp. I'de try a Tweeter disc. Mabee break off a piece till you get reasonance.
When I read those Keeleys E-Mails 3 years ago it inspired me because I've always believed electronics has secrets that could put energy vendors above ground and we could be Jetsons, not Flintstones burning fossil fart ruining beautiful earth.
Thinking it was around 43khz? Fascinating!

DGM

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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2008, 10:01:31 PM »
I was about 40% right.
Heres what I read 3y ago.Check this out.
http://www.rexresearch.com/mra/1mra.htm

Good old Rex, Thanks Rex!

Cheers

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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
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Offline HeairBear

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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2008, 08:03:12 AM »
Thanks Laserrod for that great info! That link answered a lot of my questions. Have you done any experimentation in this field of research? If you were doing this 3 years ago, I can only imagine what you know now. Talk to me, I'm all ears.

I bought a piezoelectric cylinder that measures 26mm OD, 22mm ID, and 13mm high. The resonant frequency of the element is 43Khz. The problem now is finding T304 close to 26mm ID to attach the element. Any ideas? 


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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2008, 05:58:31 AM »
HairBear,

Wasn't ignoring U, just forgot to check this thread!

I've been researching but no buildingyet .

Just use 2 part epoxy and pipe fitings?

I'm building some green & blue lasers and a rotating magnetic field device now.

Resonance of air coils and sparkgaps are on the priority list too.

Your welcome BTW!

Cheers

Edit:
T304? I'd just use any ol toriod around, find one that works.

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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2008, 11:48:19 AM »
I also thought the same thing with meyers cell , but found out its nothing more than what keely found out ages ago .. with resonance he was able to break water

i always thought stainless and other things in its most elemental form were salts and piezo's ...i am currently working on my magnetic motor from ed's coral castle

a piezoelectric generator

stan meyers using keely's work

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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2008, 03:42:02 PM »
There is some similar work taking place with quartz, rochelle salts, and piezo electric at
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=972.new;topicseen

Don

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Offline Tempest

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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2008, 04:07:31 PM »
I dont think Stan Meyers got his over unity with the electrolysis. Look up the spark plug that he was using and then look up mono-atomic hydrogen.

Offline trog601

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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2008, 06:07:38 PM »
I'm not trained in this area, but I had a similar thought last night after reading reports on Meyer's work, google them and found you folks.

Question:  Is it possible that Meyer was using sonics to "stress" the bonds making it easier to split them via a secondary method like standard electrolysis?   What would happen if you stress the bonds via sonics and had a tesla-like discharge near the transducer creating the sonic pulse? If the bonds were already under stress how much additional energy would be required to split them, especially near the transducer?

I read last night that water had a resonant frequency of 45.8 khz.

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2008, 05:28:40 AM »
have we considered the resonant frequency of the actual tubes themselves?

it would seem that a peizo would not be necessary under this analysis.

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Re: Stan Meyer's "Non-Electrolysis" method
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2008, 04:37:42 PM »
Stan Meyer's Water Fuel Cell Technical brief is located here, for anyone who wants to read it. It's quite detailed and may provide more clues to his technology. Just scroll down until you see,
Stanley A. Meyer, 1995. Water Fuel Cell - Technical Brief. I'd attach it here but it's too large

http://www.theorionproject.org/en/research.html

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