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Author Topic: Magnetism the myth  (Read 12985 times)

Offline Mr.Entropy

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Re: Magnetism the myth
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2007, 03:03:45 AM »
I'm affraid you need to open your eyes and see that EVERYTHING IS A MAGNET!

Oh, I see...  Everything is a magnet...  Please understand that when I say "magnet", I mean something different.  Peanut butter, for example, is not a magnet according to my definition.  I use the word "thing" to refer to things in general, because I find that people already know what it means.  I don't need to explain that "EVERYTHING IS A THING!", for example.  I will remember to substitute the word "thing" for "magnet" in all your future writings.

So... when you said that "you can't create electricity without magnets", I should have read "you can't create electricity without things".  Well, I guess I've got some egg on my face right now, because I agree with that 100 percent.  It is indeed impossible to create electricity without things!

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Re: Magnetism the myth
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Offline PositronFlow

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Re: Magnetism the myth
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2018, 03:35:00 PM »
You may find this interesting, there is no such thing as magnetism ;) just like tesla said, Its all electric baby yea!

Quote:
"Maxwell?s formulation, however, eliminated consideration of the angular component of the force between current elements. It also removed the most fundamental of Amp?re?s assumptions?the unity of electricity and magnetism?by introducing the concept of a magnetic field. There is no magnetic field in any of the writings of Amp?re, nor of his successors in electrodynamics, Carl Friedrich Gauss, Wilhelm Weber, and Bernhard Riemann. Magnetism, for them, is considered an epiphenomenon of electricity; it is the force of electrodynamic attraction or repulsion acting between circuits of electricity, called magnetic molecules (and which came to be known later as electrons)."
@http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/edit.html

or maybe this?
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"The discovery of the phenomena of electrical and magnetic induction had introduced a new element into the considerations of electrical law, not taken up in Amp?re's 1826 work. There thus existed, side by side, three seemingly valid descriptions of the electrical interaction: (1) the Coulomb-Poisson law, describing the interaction of two electrical masses at rest; (2) the Amp?re law, describing the interaction of elements of moving electricity, and: (3) a description of the laws of induction, elaborated by Emil Lenz and Franz Neumann. In his Fundamental Electrical Law, stated in 1846, Weber achieved the unification of these various phenomena under a single conception.

Instead of the mathematical entities, described as current elements by Amp?re, Weber hypothesized the existence within the conductor of positive and negative electrical particles. He assumed that the presence of an electrical tension caused these particles to move at equal velocities in opposite directions. If one regards an Amp?re current element as containing, at any given instant, a positive and a negative electrical particle, passing each other, then in the pairwise relationship of two current elements, there are four interactions to be considered. By the Coulomb law, these interactions, consisting of two repulsions and two attractions, cancel each other. However, the elementary experiments of Amp?re had shown that a motion is produced between the wires, implying the existence of a force not described by the Coulomb law. For example, two parallel conducting wires attract each other when the current in the two wires flows in the same direction, and repel each other when the opposite is the case. The situation is perfectly well explained under the Amp?re force law, when one takes into account the angular relationship of the respective current elements. However, Weber's unifying approach was to assume that the relative velocities of the electrical particles produced a modification in the Coulomb electrostatic force, to produce the resultant force between the wires. Considering all the configurations which Amp?re had examined, as well as those arising from the phenomena of induction, he was able to formulate a general statement of the Fundamental Electrical Law. This showed that the general law describing the force of interaction of two electrical particles, depends upon the relative velocities and the relative accelerations of the particles. The Coulomb electrostatic law thus becomes a special case of Weber's general law, when the particles are at relative rest."
@http://chem.ch.huji.ac.il/history/weber.html


So really magnetism doesn't exist it is electric, a Permanent Magnet is nothing more than moving electric charges held in alignment in matter. The scientific community is covering up Maxwells screwup, and we all know you can't give a nobel prize to a screwup, that would be embarrasing. :D
As well Wilhelm Eduard Weber and homopolar generator are two words no physicist wants to hear.

I have seen the devil and looked into his eyes and his name was vanity.

I realise this is an old topic,but is anyone interested in discussing this further.

It would seem that you (Alcanadian) are somewhat on the right track,and i would like to continue this discussion if you are still present here on this forum.

You could say that i have been limited as to what area's i was to indulge during the past 7 years,where that limit was set by our professors.

There are,or should i say !were! topics you dare not discuss in the mainstream science club.
I call it a club,as that is what it seems to be,and a boy's club at that.I hope the same dose not apply here !boys club!

Needless to say,a small group of us wish to further investigate and develop the !out of bounds! subject matter of magnetism-what it is,and it's effect on electrons through P/N junctions.

I see you describe the magnetic field as being of a positively and negatively charge particle cloud--the particle cloud is what we/i use to describe what most refer to as a magnetic field.

So,to cut a long story short,i(and some others) had to leave our place of education,in order to continue on with our research and development in this area. If yourself or anybody else has taken this !topic! any further,i sure would like to hear as to how far you have progressed on the subject matter.


Christie.

Offline ramset

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Re: Magnetism the myth
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2018, 05:43:32 PM »
Christie
would seem you offer a resource to this open source community which should be nourished   and not discouraged .
You [your group] are Open source researchers [maybe a link to your group??]?
I will look thru for contacts which are relevant to your query.
and yes we need more women in these fields of  open source alternative energy harvesting.
perhaps you start a thread ?]

respectfully
Chet K



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Re: Magnetism the myth
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Offline PositronFlow

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Re: Magnetism the myth
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2018, 05:03:17 AM »
Christie
would seem you offer a resource to this open source community which should be nourished   and not discouraged .
You [your group] are Open source researchers [maybe a link to your group??]?
I will look thru for contacts which are relevant to your query.
and yes we need more women in these fields of  open source alternative energy harvesting.
perhaps you start a thread ?]

respectfully
Chet K

Hello Chet.
Thanks for responding.

Our group is only made up of 5 people.
We are all close friends,although there is quite some distance between most of us.

I am lucky enough to have one of the group live close enough that we are able to get together 1 weekend a month to carry out further development on the subject matter,being electron displacement through P/N junctions.

To make this a little clearer,imagine a PV cell,but where the electrons are knocked through the junction via (what most call) an enclosed magnetic field.

The above information may assist in finding interested persons.

Are you an experimenter in this field Chet ?.

I will hold off for a bit in regards to starting a subject thread,at least until i see if there is some intetest in this area.

Christie.

Offline partzman

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Re: Magnetism the myth
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2018, 02:44:04 PM »
Hello Chet.
Thanks for responding.

Our group is only made up of 5 people.
We are all close friends,although there is quite some distance between most of us.

I am lucky enough to have one of the group live close enough that we are able to get together 1 weekend a month to carry out further development on the subject matter,being electron displacement through P/N junctions.

To make this a little clearer,imagine a PV cell,but where the electrons are knocked through the junction via (what most call) an enclosed magnetic field.

The above information may assist in finding interested persons.

Are you an experimenter in this field Chet ?.

I will hold off for a bit in regards to starting a subject thread,at least until i see if there is some intetest in this area.

Christie.

Christie,

I have done considerable research with PV arrays with the goal being to increase the panel efficiency via electronic circuit manipulation.  I have also done some limited experimentation with applied electromagnetic fields on PV arrays in search of any anomalous behavior but seemed to find none.  Do you have bench experiments that show electron flow thru otherwise "blackened" arrays?

Regards,
Pm

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Re: Magnetism the myth
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Offline PositronFlow

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Re: Magnetism the myth
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2018, 06:52:38 AM »
Christie,

I have done considerable research with PV arrays with the goal being to increase the panel efficiency via electronic circuit manipulation.  I have also done some limited experimentation with applied electromagnetic fields on PV arrays in search of any anomalous behavior but seemed to find none.  Do you have bench experiments that show electron flow thru otherwise "blackened" arrays?

Regards,
Pm

Hello Partzman

Yes,many hours of not only bench tests,but more so in cell development.

At this point in time,our success is limited.
This limit is due to the diamagnetic values of the materials use in the doping process in the N domain of the cell.
,where those values are lower than required to obtain a substantial output power volume.

The best achieved to this date is a mere 3.8mW from a two inch x two inch cell.

We believe once a doping compound with a higher diamagnetic strength is found,will result in greater output power from the cell.

The failed experiments you carried out on standard PV cells is to be expected,as the cells N layer must use a diamagnetic doping compound.

If you just wish to increase the efficiency of a standard PV cell,then the best and cheapest method is via water cooling the cell itself.

Christie


Offline partzman

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Re: Magnetism the myth
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2018, 03:34:55 PM »
Hello Partzman

Yes,many hours of not only bench tests,but more so in cell development.

At this point in time,our success is limited.
This limit is due to the diamagnetic values of the materials use in the doping process in the N domain of the cell.
,where those values are lower than required to obtain a substantial output power volume.

The best achieved to this date is a mere 3.8mW from a two inch x two inch cell.

We believe once a doping compound with a higher diamagnetic strength is found,will result in greater output power from the cell.

The failed experiments you carried out on standard PV cells is to be expected,as the cells N layer must use a diamagnetic doping compound.

If you just wish to increase the efficiency of a standard PV cell,then the best and cheapest method is via water cooling the cell itself.

Christie

Hello Christie,

Thank you for explaining the direction of your research as I now understand why my simple tests yielded nothing.  Unfortunately, most of us do not have access to a semi fabrication lab so we wouldn't be able to contribute much if anything to your effort. 

Thanks also for the suggestion of cooling the PV arrays to raise efficiency.  I was looking for a retro-fit solution utilizing the highly parametric capacitance of the forward biased p-n junction in both light and dark conditions.

Best of luck to you and your team in your research.

Regards,
Pm

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Offline forest

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Re: Magnetism the myth
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2018, 06:46:32 PM »
I'm sorry to say that but pv cells tapping on magnetic part of applied em wave was already known and and patented and buried

 

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