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Earl

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Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #60 on: December 21, 2007, 05:35:32 PM »
double post deleted, see above.

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #61 on: December 21, 2007, 09:10:03 PM »
I almost forgot....

I also have it on good source that Litz wire is braided to cancel the magnetic fields.  That might help out the cannon ball effect, as induction onto the collectors zips them along, faster and faster!   ;D

Litz is a TPU builders best friend.  ;)

Merry Christmas,
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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #62 on: December 21, 2007, 09:25:40 PM »
Hello all,

@btentzer

let us first clear up the therm "litz wire". Yes, we discussed it a long time ago. Lets do it again and then I will say something about it.

Otto

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Earl said it well, both in English and German!  LOL

Each strand is teflon insulated.  So you can end up with 1000 wires, just like SM said.  This wire ONLY for the collector.  It is very expensive wire. 

@ All
Reread what I posted on what SM said about this.  Litz wire is the only thing that fits.  Lamp chord will make no difference, because each strand is not individually insulated.  It was SM speak for Litz wire without coming out and saying Litz wire.  And then he gave us that story on top of it.  Insulate each strand and use that only for the collector and now you have understood what SM said. 

I would go so far as to say (and I am not the only one who thinks this) that if this wire had already been used for many experiments, much better results would have been seen.

I will post again the pertinent part of SM's post.  It is so simple, I do not understand why I did not really understand the principle he is relaying, earlier.

"Let me give you something to think about...
If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short.
OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.
If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch.
If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire.  (This is what we have all been doing, one wire, but with magnetic fields!)
Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.  (That future is now!)
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it.
If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say. (This is EXACTLY what Litz wire does for us!  Without this main ingredient, we will never see OU with this device, IMHO.)
So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc.
If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage.
However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.  (This part tells us EXACTLY how to either increase amperage, or have high voltage, depending on what we want for the output of the three collectors.  I would strongly suggest building the Stack TPU but use 1000 pieces of wire for the total amount of the collectors.  Litz wire.)
If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.  (The circuit potential is probably close to the stack tpu drawing, if not it exactly.  Frequency could possibly be the one that is the resonant frequency of our 1000 pieces of wire, which is SM's short pieces of wire comment here.  I would further state, that I do not think that the control wires ever connect to the collectors.  Call it a hunch.  Induction.) 
you would be fascinated with the amount of renewable energy you can extract from a permanent magnet!" (If you want to test this, run a magnet over 1 piece of wire and measure the output.  Now run it over 1000 pieces.  Which has the greater output??   ;)  My guess is that SM played with permanent magnets and litz wire, quite a bit in his early days, and saw this very simplistic principle.)

EDIT:
Litz Wire
MWS Wire Industries
31200 Cedar Valley Drive
Westlake Village, CA 91362
Phone: 818-991-8553

82.02 USD per pound, with a 2 pound minimum
55.86 USD per pound, with 10 pounds.
29 linear feet per pound
105 strands of copper, each is poly nylon coated.  Each strand is 30 awg.  Total wire (all strands) is 10 awg.

Quote #93921 When asking for it.

Bruce

It makes perfect sense!  Earlier this year I had no idea what Litz wire was, I thought it was just some funky lamp cord wire or something, but the fact that it's INSULATED from each strand is new.  I can't wait to get my hands on some.

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #63 on: December 22, 2007, 11:01:31 PM »
Apologies can someone post a link to the three stack diagram... many thanks,,, catching up...

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #64 on: December 23, 2007, 12:28:08 AM »
@ Otto

You asked why your test unit lost weight.  You might find the answer in the information related to torsion waves.  A good starting point for understanding them can be found at http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=95&Itemid=36  The Russians have been doing a lot of work on the aether and some of information from their experiments has been coming to the surface in recent years.

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #65 on: December 23, 2007, 02:25:38 AM »
I almost forgot....

I also have it on good source that Litz wire is braided to cancel the magnetic fields.  That might help out the cannon ball effect, as induction onto the collectors zips them along, faster and faster!   ;D

Litz is a TPU builders best friend.  ;)

Merry Christmas,
Bruce

Bruce,

The magnetic fields are not canceled at all. You would only achieve this if half the conductors were the return path.

The purpose of braiding the separate conductors of a Litz wire is to maximize equal current and flux sharing among the many conductors. The magnetic field is still present around the conductor group, as it would be in a standard multi-strand conductor.

Eddy currents (and hence skin effect) are reduced due to the insulated individual conductors. The magnetic field IS NOT canceled. Braiding causes averaging of each magnetic field

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #66 on: December 23, 2007, 02:33:15 AM »
Yes, here it is:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3660.msg62585.html#msg62585

I will be building one of these with Litz wire...stay tuned! :)  (I should have it done in a couple of weeks--waiting for the Litz to arrive)

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #67 on: December 23, 2007, 02:39:43 AM »
Bruce, zpe is right, 

I also believe that the "many conductors" that the magnetic field will "cut" are not necessarily the many strands of wire in the braided Litz wire.  I would think this refers to the number of actual loops of wire, whatever it might be made of.  It's all about finding that "circuit potential"      :P

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #68 on: December 23, 2007, 03:09:34 AM »
@z_p_e,

Here is one reference that says that yes, the magnetic fields of the individual Litz strands are cancelled:
http://books.google.com/books?id=IiF5j4ItsfYC&pg=PA283&lpg=PA283&dq=litz+cancel+magnetic+field&source=web&ots=fVphzkDGbY&sig=HjUVi61mYe4MPcu9Q8Pnl5k1rnA
(Scroll down to the bottom of page 283)

Just something to think about.

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #69 on: December 23, 2007, 03:30:40 AM »
Hi eldarion,

Drawing a few circles on a piece of paper does reveal that the fields internal to the overall outside surface do seem to cancel.

I guess I was thinking more in terms of any field detectable outside the wire as a whole. Of course it is still there. So internally, they do seem to cancel.

Which brings up something unrelated....two parallel conductors are supposed to attract each other when their currents are in the same direction (as would be the case in Litz wire), but as the fields appear to oppose in Litz wire, one would think that they would repel rather than attract?

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #70 on: December 23, 2007, 03:39:34 AM »
Are the fields canceled in the "same direction" diagram, or are they adding?

The field gap there tells the story. Place several conductors in parallel, and the field around the internal conductors are significantly reduced.

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #71 on: December 23, 2007, 03:42:05 AM »
My thoughts are:
Different current direction in the parallel conductors (e.g. typical application for lamp cord): repulsion
Same current direction (e.g. Litz wire): attraction

I wonder if this is the "kick", finally explained?
(Most vacuum tube filaments were not the coiled tungsten that is used in our everyday light bulbs--the filaments were comprised of many parallel filament segments to reduce hum induction to the plates--the filament was folded over itself numerous times so that it could be compacted into a small space.  The parallel portions of the filament would repel each other and "kick" a bit when the current surged at turn-on...)

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #72 on: December 23, 2007, 07:36:09 AM »
Hey, I just ran across this and I thought I'd post a link to it:
http://utenti.lycos.it/fischerconsulting/testatpu.html

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #73 on: December 23, 2007, 03:33:34 PM »
@otto

Here are some ideas I have been considering by using bailing wire (BW) in the MTPU and LTPU. The only logical uses for BW is such a design is both for structure and the propagation of a mag field around the TPU. Designs can vary but in general, the use of one coil having bailing wire exiting from each end will provide a mag field. I have tested this in small scale. Now once this mag field is in place, you can wrap the collector coil or coils over this and send one or two simple audio frequencies (or other) and see it vibrate. This is just for new design considerations like how to use the rings in Mannixs design to propagate a mag field from inside the coils. This basically recreates a transformers armature that all coils need to transfer power.I would call the BW coil the control coil and this can be DC straight, pulsed or reverse pulsed. By pulsing, the mag field would be created and when off, this would leave stray static fields around the TPU.

Now if the collector was bifilar and you send frequencies into one, the other would vibrate in a mag field. My tests with Litz wire is the best for such uses. Audio frequencies of just 1 hz and 7 hz work the best and produce great wire movement.

The fact that the LTPU was producing about 850 watts of power leaves me to conclude that only 1 Litz wire would not support so much tension, thus the collector design would be in 3 or four segments in parallel, and this is evident when you look at the LPTU wiring diagram I put up in the Controls Inside thread.

I am also putting up a cut-away of the MTPU since I am convince this is the key. From day one, guys here looked at the cut-away and immediately said three stacked levels. So most of the others just shut up and went along. So....... show me were you see this. This one basic observation sent guys on a one year sprint. Do we risk this again. So there is no point to start unless one can analyze the cut-away, why he cut where he did, what is seen, etc. and the more important fact that the TPU design could still function after it was cut and after about 2 minutes of re-wiring. WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU? I have done this for endless hours and days and came up with the LTPU wire diagram located in the Control Inside thread. The design below (Alt. 2a) could fit this criteria very easily because even cut, the BW mag field could still work and some quick re-wiring of the collectors is all that is required.

Anyways some food for thought.

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #74 on: December 23, 2007, 04:19:24 PM »
Are the fields canceled in the "same direction" diagram, or are they adding?

The field gap there tells the story. Place several conductors in parallel, and the field around the internal conductors are significantly reduced.

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3779.0;attach=15587;image)

Would the reaction force vectors be the opposite way, instead?

EDIT: No. "...This behaviour derives from Amp?re's Law or the Biot-Savart force law which states that currents in the same direction attract while currents in the opposite direction repel..." http://www.plasmacosmology.net/tech.html



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