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Grumpy

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2007, 04:19:05 PM »


How do you induce electrons flowing in opposite directions?  Hows does this effect the votlage and current in the wire?


Why don't you try it?
It's quite easy, but it won't fit your book.

If you want to stick to the spark gap fine....i don't care.

M.

Correct.  Fits the books pretty well actually.  Not exact, but similar.

@Grumpy
If anyone claims to know anything let him prove it first otherwise they can crawl back in their hole.
How can someone for instance tell you playing with a TPU can kill you if they have not built one?

So what is it that too many don't get here?

I said "I'm done here."

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2007, 04:24:02 PM »
@Grumpy

You'll be back!

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2007, 04:57:45 PM »
During the time that one control coil is receiving energy from a source I do not see any significant energy coming out on the collector. It is when I release the power source from the control coil is when I see energy output on the collector coil.

If I drive the coil with a MOSFET I can see when the coil goes into saturation but little to no output on the collector.  When the MOSFET switches off I get damping oscillations on the control coil and I get the same oscillations on the collector coil. The oscillations are due to the LC tank created by the MOSFET's capacitance combined with the control coil's inductance.

This is the direction I am currently on right now. I am not saying a dc pulse method is the direction to go. I like what others are doing with resonance and harmonics. I just want to explore the dc pulse avenue before I move on.

I like the characteristics of a complete open on the off cycle because I see a nice dc pulse out on the collector as opposed to oscillations. I am curious if others have observed similar effects.

Thanks and take care.

nap

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2007, 06:35:13 PM »
@otto
  I think the rodin coil can be used for a variety of communication and other apps if the proper field is curled the same on either end, providing a carrier base  ..... The use of  3 interferometers at different vectors can be modulated into a data stream and sent through that bad boy... Tell me what you think   .. Grumpy is on board as well...  I remember him mentioning this flavor of the device and im just sitting here going ... redundant backup transceiver ... huge bandwith ;D
                                                                                                                              Joe
« Last Edit: December 21, 2007, 05:53:20 PM by Localjoe »

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2007, 09:11:07 AM »
Hello all,

@Grumpy

you are yeeery welcome here. You know, the good PMs Im answering and the bad Im IGNORING.
I can easily happen that I also dont "get it" (Im not the brightest here!!!) and it happened with the 3 stack (I didnt understand this picture in the beginning) but I call it "evolution of my brain". I had a lot of other TPUs until I could understand whats about the 3 stack, so, ignore the bad guys and let us make our "job" - and have a good discussion.

@Localjoe

transceiver - Im all the time emitting signals to my radio (in the MHz band) in the hope that my TPU would receive "energy", to say so.

@All,

You remember my questions yesterday.

A TPU converts the ZPE or call it how you want, into usefull energy. If this is not the case then I can only ask you all, how lights SM a few bulbs without a power supply?? Batteries??? Dont make jokes!!!

How can WE get this extra energy with our kicks??

We have kicks in the range of hundreds of volts but at low amperes. If we use a PCM (pulse current multiplier) we can achieve this.
The point is that such a PCM is in "stages". Now imagine the 1. stage: the lowest frequency starts the tornado. This tornado is accelerated in the 2. stage and gets finished at a very fast rotation in the 3. stage. Of course, we must keep in our minds "dfros" words. But the point is that a PCM "converts" our HV kicks into useable lower voltage higher current kicks or sines. I think sines. I didnt try it but I will.
A long time ago I had a very nice light from a 100W bulb with only 130V kicks shown on my scope. This means that we dont need huge kicks to light a bulb.

Is there maybe a guy that "jumps out" with a drawing of a TPU but in the sence of dfros words??

Otto

Its more then enough of my "theory".




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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2007, 03:33:39 AM »
@Otto,

You stated the main proof. 'Watch your fingers'. That statement is proof enough.  ;)
Now let me state mine. 'Guard your brain'. 8)

This is for the new guys.
The light bulb test is just a light bulb at the end of a Tesla type coil configuration. Instead of seeing bluish purple sparks we see yellow light. The light bulb is merely resistance to the high speed Radiant energy.
Instead of slowing down the energy I chose to work with it at its natural speed. It connected the tpu across the stun gun and saw the plasma arc around the ring. That was cool. Dartlets, just like Telsa said. I also connected a 4 foot loop of audio cable across the stun gun, the coil and my homemade 6 inch spark gap. The next day a rocket fell out of the sky over my my hometown of Denver. Tesla also talked about that. What are the odds?

--giantkiller. I always have fun.

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #51 on: December 21, 2007, 05:10:35 AM »
...when dfro speaks about the vertical coils (those with iron core and magnet on top) and perhaps also about the 4 input coils, I think he's referring to the 'Open TPU' not the standard 6" or 15" TPU as it seems  that in the upmentioned units there are no vertical coils  (I may be wrong, who knows?).
Said observation is supported by the fact that the 3StackTPU dwg does show  only one continuous input coil per ring (that we call Control Coil....NO vertical or other coils).
Again we know that SM made several TPU designs often using different criteria. So may be wrong mixing different designs.

@Roberto,

Perhaps the four vertical coil design detail 'evolved' over time.  It may have started with the open TPU as the four pillars positioned between the two disks, then these four vertical coils moved onto the two center toroids of the largest TPUs, and then ended up inside the 'control circuit bulge area' taped to the inside edge of the later, smaller TPUs.  :-\

@Giantkiller, how have you been?

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #52 on: December 21, 2007, 06:50:33 AM »
Hey guys,

Rereading some of SM the other night, and thinking, I have a question.  Have anyone on this forum attempted to use Litz wire for the collectors, or even for the ECD?  More and more I think that when SM said lamp chord he figured we would understand it to be litz wire.  I feel that so much stronger, after again rereading SM's following statement:

SM' words:
"Let me give you something to think about...
If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short.
OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.
If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch.
If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire.
Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it.
If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say.
So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc.
If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage.
However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.


This is the same wording he used in describing the collectors as output!  This sounds like 9 individual wraps of 106 strand litz wire.  What if you took 3 individual wraps of litz per collector.  You now have 954 individual wires for output in series or parallel.  Compared to one wire all have been using.  ;)

If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.
you would be fascinated with the amount of renewable energy you can extract from a permanent magnet!"

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2007, 07:22:51 AM »
Hello all,

@btentzer

let us first clear up the therm "litz wire". Yes, we discussed it a long time ago. Lets do it again and then I will say something about it.

Otto

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2007, 09:49:48 AM »
Hello all,

@btentzer

let us first clear up the therm "litz wire". Yes, we discussed it a long time ago. Lets do it again and then I will say something about it.

Otto

If the Amercians use that term they mean a conductor made of multi-strand braided insulated copper wires.
The German equivalent would be "verseilte Hochfrequenzlitze".

Please correct me if this is wrong.

edit: As a side note: I think Bruce's thoughts about the importance of this kind of wire are completely justified and correct.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2007, 10:52:57 AM by Gustav22 »

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2007, 10:44:13 AM »
Hello Gustav22

and for us is the litz wire a multi strand wire with the conductors NOT insulated between each other.

A yery long time ago I made some tests:

First I used a lamp cable 0,75mm2 as the collector. Then I used a 1,5mm2 cable with the same control coils. The bulb was shining brighter.
Then I made a 15" TPU with the same 1,5mm2 cable and the same controls. The bulb was again shining brighter. Always a 1 turn collector - what a disaster!! MULTITURN is needed!!!

Also a long time ago I made a collector with 1000 little copper wires. But as it was a long time ago I didnt know how to connect the controls to such a collector.....yes, now I know and can try it.
Just to see the difference between a lamp cable with a few wires in it and my biiiiig 1000 wires collectors.

In my ECD pdf you can see that I made various tests with other metals for a collector. Hmmm ....if I could buy nikel wires, maybe for collectors AND controls???

To use iron wires for a collector I dont want because it heats up. Aluminium wires are waiting for use as a collector? control??

Otto

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« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2007, 11:10:52 AM »
Hallo Gustav
In our use of Terms it meens multistrandet wires as well.
Such as "hochflexibel".(Multistrandet but not insulatet against eachother)
The other version is used in LAN Networks.There you can find 8 insulatet wires .
Grouped in 4 pairs and each pair is
wound like a Rope ( Bedini like). This helps to protect the line against coupling and inerference.

Perhaps the Bedini Coils profit from this effekt as well.

So now the question:How to deal with it in a TPU?

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Litz and Litze
« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2007, 01:18:22 PM »
from WIKI, and I totally agree

Litz wire is a special type of wire used in electronics. The wire is designed to reduce the skin effect and proximity effect losses in conductors. The resistance of a conductor at DC (0 Hz) is dependent upon the area of the conductor. Larger conductors have lower resistance. At AC frequencies, the skin effect causes most of the conduction to happen at the surface of conductor. At high enough frequencies, the interior of a large conductor does not carry much current. Quite simply, the resistance of a wire becomes higher at higher frequencies.

Litz wire consists of many thin wires, individually insulated and woven together to form a cable. The weave is designed so individual wires will reside for short intervals on the outside of cable and for short intervals on the inside of the cable. The weave causes the interior of the Litz wire to contribute to the cables conductivity.

The term litz wire originates from Litzendraht, German for braided wire.

In German, it is a little strange,  For me in German, Litze always implies insulated wires, however some people may say that in German the term is HF-Litze.

From Wiki:
Die Litze (engl. stranded wire or litz wire) ist in der Elektrotechnik ein aus d?nnen Einzeldr?hten bestehender und daher leicht zu biegender elektrischer Leiter.

Die Einzeldr?hte der Litze (bis mehrere hundert) sind meistens von einer gemeinsamen Isolierh?lle umschlossen. Solche Leiter hei?en Litzenleitung. Sind mehrere solcher Leitungen in einem Kabel vereint, werden sie Adern genannt.

Da die Gefahr eines Leiterbruches durch Biegung bei Litzenleitungen wesentlich geringer ist als bei Massivdrahtleitern mit gleichem Querschnitt, werden diese vorrangig dort angewendet, wo eine h?ufige Bewegung oder R?ttelbeanspruchung stattfindet (Maschinen, Fahr- und Flugzeuge, Roboter) oder wenn ein mobiles Ger?t versorgt werden muss (elektrische Handger?te, steckbare Netzzuleitungen, Mikrofon- und Lautsprecherkabel).
Je nach erforderlicher Flexibilit?t und Beanspruchungsgrad verwendet man fein- oder feinstdr?htige Litzenleitungen.

Bei Hochfrequenz-Litzen (HF-Litze) sind die Einzeldr?hte voneinander durch eine Lackschicht isoliert, obwohl sie gleiches Potential f?hren. Dadurch kann in der Hochfrequenztechnik der Einfluss des Skineffekts verringert oder vermieden werden - ansonsten w?rde nur ein kleiner Teil des Gesamtquerschnittes am Stromtransport teilnehmen.

Unisolierte Litzen sind auch als Antennenlitze bekannt.

In summary, if we are talking about reducing skin effect losses, then in English it is Litz wire and in German HF-Litze.  So in this forum if we use the English term HF-Litz, then it should be clear no matter what language you speak.

By the way, it has been proven that not only do the insulated wires have to be parallel and only electircally connected at each, but that they should also be twisted together for best effect.

Earl

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Re: Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #58 on: December 21, 2007, 04:02:35 PM »
Hello all,

@btentzer

let us first clear up the therm "litz wire". Yes, we discussed it a long time ago. Lets do it again and then I will say something about it.

Otto

@ Otto
Earl said it well, both in English and German!  LOL

Each strand is teflon insulated.  So you can end up with 1000 wires, just like SM said.  This wire ONLY for the collector.  It is very expensive wire. 

@ All
Reread what I posted on what SM said about this.  Litz wire is the only thing that fits.  Lamp chord will make no difference, because each strand is not individually insulated.  It was SM speak for Litz wire without coming out and saying Litz wire.  And then he gave us that story on top of it.  Insulate each strand and use that only for the collector and now you have understood what SM said. 

I would go so far as to say (and I am not the only one who thinks this) that if this wire had already been used for many experiments, much better results would have been seen.

I will post again the pertinent part of SM's post.  It is so simple, I do not understand why I did not really understand the principle he is relaying, earlier.

"Let me give you something to think about...
If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short.
OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.
If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch.
If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire.  (This is what we have all been doing, one wire, but with magnetic fields!)
Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.  (That future is now!)
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it.
If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say. (This is EXACTLY what Litz wire does for us!  Without this main ingredient, we will never see OU with this device, IMHO.)
So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc.
If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage.
However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.  (This part tells us EXACTLY how to either increase amperage, or have high voltage, depending on what we want for the output of the three collectors.  I would strongly suggest building the Stack TPU but use 1000 pieces of wire for the total amount of the collectors.  Litz wire.)
If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.  (The circuit potential is probably close to the stack tpu drawing, if not it exactly.  Frequency could possibly be the one that is the resonant frequency of our 1000 pieces of wire, which is SM's short pieces of wire comment here.  I would further state, that I do not think that the control wires ever connect to the collectors.  Call it a hunch.  Induction.) 
you would be fascinated with the amount of renewable energy you can extract from a permanent magnet!" (If you want to test this, run a magnet over 1 piece of wire and measure the output.  Now run it over 1000 pieces.  Which has the greater output??   ;)  My guess is that SM played with permanent magnets and litz wire, quite a bit in his early days, and saw this very simplistic principle.)

EDIT:
Litz Wire
MWS Wire Industries
31200 Cedar Valley Drive
Westlake Village, CA 91362
Phone: 818-991-8553

82.02 USD per pound, with a 2 pound minimum
55.86 USD per pound, with 10 pounds.
29 linear feet per pound
105 strands of copper, each is poly nylon coated.  Each strand is 30 awg.  Total wire (all strands) is 10 awg.

Quote #93921 When asking for it.

Bruce
« Last Edit: December 21, 2007, 04:36:25 PM by btentzer »

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Steven Mark`s TPU
« Reply #59 on: December 21, 2007, 05:35:13 PM »
@Bruce, @All,

I agree with Bruce's analysis 100%.

Twist 3 strands of 100'er HF-Litz together, then take 3 of these and twist them together and you will have 1000 strand HF-Litz.

Find some super solvent to dissolve the insulation, or build or buy a solder pot.  I have found using electronic flux paste together with a solder pot to work very well.

Earl