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Koen1

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2007, 06:58:10 PM »
There is no such thing as an AC or DC bulb. They will all work with both if they are incandescents. Just do not exceed the RMS power rating.

Well that's what I thought as well.
Untill I read your own post, which clearly states:
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Mem,

You are seeing only what you want to see, and only what you are able to see with the eye-glasses you currently are wearing.

The problem is that evidently, you have no understanding of basic Ohm's law. You are using a 15W 110VAC bulb and a 130V DC motor as a means of certifying you have overunity, when in fact that proves absolutely nothing at all...even though you can light the bulb and turn the motor.

I was actually merely going along with your story there, and wondered what exactly the difference might be in power use if we did have AC bulbs like you said...

So it seems to me like you are trying to explain to me why your own statement was incorrect. Which leaves one to wonder how much of your explanation is... ;)


z_p_e

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2007, 02:14:16 AM »
Koen,

You're twisting words and ideas around.

Everything I have said stands on its own. I was not trying to do anything other than make two separate points. And that is exactly what I did. Do not confuse the two.

Also, if all you can do is "go along" with what I said without trying to understand it, how can I hope to explain your erroneous assumptions?

Folks that have little or no electrical or electronics background should either pay attention to those that do, or they should do their own homework before making these kind of comments.

Mem

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NO OU IN B EMF cicrcuit! (from, mem)
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2007, 07:56:07 AM »
<<Hi everyone,
Here is what I have found just now!
All of this back emf circuits that
I have been testing and working all along,

After taking careful measurements I have seen that
There is no ou at all!
All the access energy that appears to be
Actually comes from the battery...


Because of this I?ll take down the website as well as the youtube video.
I don?t want to mislead people.

I apologized greatly if I hurt anyone?s feeling (not knowingly)
By supporting the idea that there was an ou in back emf circuit.

I did this out of total ignorance, as I have forgotten to take proper
measurements, to realize this simple truth.

I am terribly sorry!

Mem.

Pirate88179

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2007, 07:58:45 AM »
@ Mem:

Hey, there is no harm in following something that looks promising right?  If what you are now saying is true then, so what?  At least you tried it and now, on to something else.  I appreciate your efforts.

Bill

Koen1

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2007, 10:38:25 AM »
Koen,

You're twisting words and ideas around.

Yeah sure, whatever dude. Fact remains it was you who mentioned an "AC bulb".
You can act all holier than thou and try to claim some form of authority, and you can try to make me look bad,
but that's the fact. You brought it up, I expanded on it hypothetically, and then you try to burn me down for using your AC bulb?
Sorry but that doesn't really fly.


Evil Roy Slade

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2007, 11:45:13 AM »
@mem

It's easy to make a mistake. We ALL do it.

Admitting it is difficult, publicly, moreso.

I say to you, well done. Welcome back to reality.

ERS

nfeijo

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2007, 01:45:14 PM »
  @mem

      This happened to me many, many times. This kind of energy is very difficult to measure. Keep trying. As says k4zep, it is always a lot of fun.

       Good luck,

       Ney

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2007, 02:01:02 PM »
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All the access energy that appears to be
Actually comes from the battery...

Well done Mem. You discovered exactly what I said you would find.

@koen,

Well, I guess you can see now that what I posted was reality. No "proof" needed, and in fact the numbers speak for themselves.

I had no intention of making anyone look bad, including Mem. The fact is folks DO NOT LISTEN sometimes, and sometimes a firmer approach is necessary. It got Mem to look closer at his setup and take a measurement at the battery, didn't it? The truth was then discovered right?

What is your problem with the AC or DC bulb anyway? Bulbs can be rated at whatever voltage and power that you desire. A bulb is a piece of wire with resistance, and to a certain degree inductance. So what? Well, if it's fundamentally a piece of wire, I should be able to power it with AC or DC, or whatever wave form I wish. What is your hangup with this concept ? It has very little relevance to the discussion whether inductive kickback is a form of ou.

The point of bringing up AC and DC loads is because Mem brought it up first. "AC" and "DC" are usually not even printed on a bulb (at least the 110V variety). It matters not whether it is AC or DC. 110V RMS is all that matters, if you want to get the rated power from your bulb.

So for your own sake, get "AC Bulb" out of your head, it means nothing. Go look at your bulbs in the house....does it say 110V (or maybe 120V), AND AC? Probably not. It will say 110V, 100W for example. No indication of wave form type...why? Because it does not matter. The 110V is referring to a RMS voltage, simple as that. The ONLY relevance "AC" or "DC" does have is the type of mating socket fixture. I repeated Mem's "110VAC" because I assumed he meant the type that one uses in your standard AC light socket. If you want to hang me for that, then fill your boots.

If you want to discuss electronics or electrical with or without numbers, and you disagree with my explanations (and you have an analysis of your own), then fine we can discuss it. Anything else is just unproductive..

Ergo

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2007, 02:06:34 PM »
@mem,

i wish i could show you my system, i have a system running on a regular automotive 12v dc battery that is providing all of my lighting needs, runs my refridgerator, while at the same time, provide different power for several different voltages for electronic divices i use daily, from 4.5 volts dc all the way up to my 120vac, television!!! all this and it can still provide power for my drill, and saw simutaniously!!!  so never stop dreaming.  how about a schematic of your home device.  my system uses all off the shelf products, and once you understand ohms law you too can do all of these seemingly miraculous things really very easily.

lol
sam

What a load of crap!

supersam

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2007, 05:13:24 PM »
@ergo,

trust me when i say you can find all of this in my rv ( recreational vehicle) not rotoverter!

 ;)

lol
sam

Ergo

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2007, 06:45:37 PM »
Oppps, Sorry for flaming you.
I get it now. Major LOL!!!!!!

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2007, 02:00:11 PM »
Ok guys !
I Iearn something every time I start a topic  ;D ;D
I 've bought the "free energy generation" book from cheniere.org (bearden and bedini)
A lot to learn too !
 Supersam,  is your device a bedini replic' ?
Is any one here have allready tried to make it ?
After all , they worked on it since twenty years...
Why not build this device... ;)
I 'll maybe move or close this topic?...


supersam

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2007, 07:49:07 PM »
titoff,

pleas understand my system is nothing unusual, although i wish it were and will keep pursuing this goal until it is.  my system is not over unity.  it is simply a twelve volt system that comes standard in most recreational vehecles, ( campers).  i was only wanting to point out to mem that there alot of different variables that go into determining whether a system actually is making more power than it consumes.  as honk and zpe and others ponted out in ee.  my refridgerator runs on either 12vdc or 120vac, my lights have both a 12vdc bulb and a120vac, with a inverter i can prduce 1200watts of ac from my 12vdc batteries two in parralel to run various dc transformers to charge batteries for my cell phone,cordless tools, laptop etc. while still watching television.  however, believe me i have tried, i can't plug my battery charger into the inverter and charge my batteries.  so i am still here i hope mem is still here, and everyone else.  there alot of very smart individuals on this forum that are all still seeking the same thing in different ways.  our knowledge continues to grow and i think on day we will find the magic!!  just not this time maybe but who knows what may have been inspired!!  keep at it. it has to be out there somewhere!

lol
sam