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Author Topic: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :  (Read 16389 times)

Offline titof

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@ all

I don't know if a topic like this have ever be here:

* we are all wanting a free energy device easy to build
* we are all searching for new ideas on many many supports!!...
* we have all one part of the truth
* we have all knowledge at a different levels
      (ingeneer,  teatchers.., common boys ,  simple workers , electronicians ....)
* we haven't the same imagination !
* we all want to win the overunity prize ***!
* we all spending plenty of money to build devices , sometimes to throw it by the window ...
* we all want to power our home with F E   or we all want it for the world !
     
THE IDEA IS ...
CHOOSING A TYPE OF DEVICE (components motions or not)
AND MAKE ONE PROJECT OUR ALL PROJECT :
A  LOW COST F E DEVICE FOR ALL

Yes it's a lot of work !
yes ... many ideas are only our ideas ...
but I think  WE must invent together !

Is it so impossible ?

How many  hidden patent   which are sleeping !...


Thinking the simplest is the better , and following a list of specifications, can we do that ?
Can we make this forum saturated of good ideas ?
I'm tired to search for hours on the web for nothing !
I'm tired to fight for energy.. I want energy = no problem !

We have all ideas !
I don't want to shortcut stephan idea about OU prize .no... it's a good idea . I think we must think different because O U wants us to !
so what are you thinking everybody ?

 ??? AM I fool ?





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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2007, 10:06:41 PM »
OK ... :D
HOT SUBJECT!
don't touch !
you can be burnedddd!!

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2007, 10:16:49 PM »
<<Hi Titof
I know exactly what you are talking about... I too been doing R&D more then 20 yrs. I have seen a lots of video's of ou devices online "like everyone else" so for after all this time of reseach I was able to creat this siple circuit that is ou with out a doubt or a question.
 
 I offered to public as a gift. In the hope that people will use it and even someone will develope it further then I have done.

See the video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlOP2LD-IpI
and Exact circuit here http://backemf.onewithall.net/html/mehmet_circuit.html

When I posted this news here about 6 months go few questioned me "like FBI agents" and debunked the device all together.

But I know that this circuit is true and and working. If you have access to welding transformer try it, if you will.
You'll be amazed how much access back emf energy in return you'll get.

If you try this circuit and use charged battery, limit the input amps to the circuit by using wire resistor
or use discharged car battery to power the circuit. 

This circuit needs to be more refined to be able to turn into a product. But as is do in deed demostrates ou.

Mem>>



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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2007, 10:20:54 PM »
hey!

yes, i think too, thats the answer!

i think the goal is to search, search, search - google is very intelligent - the key is "how to search"...
very good things are in russian too...

lets start! :-)

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2007, 01:39:09 AM »
@ Mem:

Great video!!!!  I don't understand the back emf principle yet but it was way brighter without any added power or volts.

@ titof:

I think what you are proposing is already going on, to some extent.  What I mean is that I feel that a lot of the different topics here are more related than we know right now.  Dr. Stiffler, earth batteries, back emf, micro tpu, etc.  I think we are all playing with the same thing in a slightly different manner.  I think Stefan did a service to the world by creating and maintaining this site.

Bill

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2007, 09:23:07 AM »
<<Bill, yes a lots of people are working with the similar devices. This back emf thing, that I am working with.
The one that I am working with, I feel is quite simple device since all the parts are off the shelf materials.
 and yet has the ability demonstrate ou.

Device simply works with pulse DC. you pulse the power into a giant transformer (my transformer is 98 lbs) and collect the collopse back electro magnetic field, thats all there is to it.
The way I see this circuit that works is like this:
Imagine large pendulum your start pushsing this thing back and forth, after while you only need small amount energy to keep the pendulum going, right. Then once you get this thing going each time that pendulum will swing back to you will also do free work for you. That swing back energy is far greater then input energy. 

But, back EMF is far better then pendulum because electricty has no pysical weight therefore can start and stop vvery quickly. Since there is no armautre or anything like that, start and stop causes no problem at all.

As of this evening, the circuit is able to clearly shows eccess output energy.
1-At the out of the circuit 15 Watt AC (wire resistor) bulb that brightly glows. (Normaly this bulb won't glow with 12 V battery.
2-Or I use this motor as a load (see it herehttp://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2007121801551907&item=10-2190&catname=) normaly this motor runs with 12 V battery very slowly. But when I turn the circuit on motor slowly starts to eccelerate to very high speed.
I bured up, many 12 volt (automobile) bulbs. With the flash they go, I am not going to use them any more.

If I video tape this, will be very impressive.
Mem>>

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2007, 12:41:25 PM »
@ bill
   
"@ titof:

    I think what you are proposing is already going on, to some extent.  What I mean is that I feel that     a lot of the different topics here are more related than we know right now.  Dr. Stiffler, earthbatteries, back emf, micro tpu, etc.  I think we are all playing with the same thing in a slightly different manner.  I think Stefan did a service to the world by creating and maintaining this site.
Bill"

Yes !  It's true but my think was " take the experience of all and focalize it in a project we would choose together for a simple device"

Maybe this post is a sword hit in the water .... :P

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2007, 12:52:48 PM »
<<Hi Titof
I know exactly what you are talking about... I too been doing R&D more then 20 yrs. I have seen a lots of video's of ou devices online "like everyone else" so for after all this time of reseach I was able to creat this siple circuit that is ou with out a doubt or a question.
 
 I offered to public as a gift. In the hope that people will use it and even someone will develope it further then I have done.

See the video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlOP2LD-IpI
and Exact circuit here http://backemf.onewithall.net/html/mehmet_circuit.html

When I posted this news here about 6 months go few questioned me "like FBI agents" and debunked the device all together.

But I know that this circuit is true and and working. If you have access to welding transformer try it, if you will.
You'll be amazed how much access back emf energy in return you'll get.

If you try this circuit and use charged battery, limit the input amps to the circuit by using wire resistor
or use discharged car battery to power the circuit. 

This circuit needs to be more refined to be able to turn into a product. But as is do in deed demostrates ou.

Mem>>

Hey Mehmet, nice vids and thanks for posting this circuit and your experiments! :)

It does indeed appear to have some similarities to the Stiffler-, Newman, and Bedini circuits.
But where the Newman and Bedini designs pulse a motor to generate the back emf, you're using trafo collapse...
And looking at your video of the lamp it seems you are indeed doing so quite effectively.
Very interesting!
I hope you will continue to share your findings on this forum?

Thanks for sharing, and good luck with your experiments!

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2007, 12:54:18 PM »
MEM !
very interesting !
it is like "FUELLESSPOWER.com motor" except they pulse 200 to 1000 volts to run a magnetic motor through a tesla flat coil !  interesting too
your device is cousin with MEG ... isn't it ? :)

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2007, 01:21:16 PM »
Doesn't look like a cousin to the MEG at all...

The MEG uses pulses to guide the magnetic 'flux' from a permanent magnet along the 'right' and 'left' side of a magnetic core alternately,
thereby inducing a transformer-like pickup of the pm flux in the secondaries.

This appears to pulse a normal transformer, without 'intercepting' the flux from a permanent magnet at all.

In fact, seems like a less complicated setup to build than the MEG.
Doesn't even use a permanent magnet at any point.
Big difference. MEG's OU output supposedly comes straight from the permanent magnet. In Mehmets circuit it seems to come from the
collapse of the magnetic field in the transformer... Which makes for the interesting question of where the excess energy comes from.
Is it part of the Heaviside component that gets absorbed when the trafos field collapses?
Not that I mind much, as long as it works ;)

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2007, 05:08:18 PM »
Before you all get to worked up I should tell you that there is no OU to be gained from Back EMF.

BEMF is simply a transformation of voltage from one level to another. The energy level is not increased.
When you apply voltage to a coil it will conduct, radiate magnetic flux and get saturated.
When the voltage is taken of the coil it strives to maintain its voltage level.
In this process it flips the voltage stored in the coil. Positive pin will become negative and vice versa.
If there is no load to take care of the reversed voltage it will shoot sky high, multiplying many times,
a lot higher than the applied voltage, but the current level of the BEMF will decrease at the same rate.

So, simply put:
The BEMF = Input Energy - Losses = Output Energy in reverse. No OU to be gained here. Period.

I know this by fact because I use the BEMF principle in my daily work when designing Switched power supplies.
Recycling the BEMF of switched power supplies is the reason of them reaching those high efficiencies of 90% or more.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2007, 12:09:35 PM by Honk »

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2007, 06:10:37 PM »
Oh
I must go in deep of my think.
Why MEG :  like some  device with coils ...
Exciting a magnet trought a coil  makes me thinking an elastic material which be pulled in the aether
and when you release it ... it gives like a shaking hit in the coils ... and a big amount of energy ...
( this image was tesla's on memory)    "the eather is elastic..."
that's wright MEG isn't really a cousin ... ;D

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2007, 06:15:24 PM »
The MEG is using a magnet as power source. It's not relying the BEMF to provide OU.
And so far there is no proof of the MEG really working.

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2007, 06:57:55 PM »
Before you all get to worked up I should tell you that there is no OU to be gained from Back EMF.



Honk, do your experiments for before you quote from text books!!!  Above statement is not accurate!

Do the experiment as outlined above circuit and make sure you use 98 lbs transformer...
You'll see big energy that returns, totaly amazing to see.

Return is low voltage with high amp's. I put in 3 amps (with current limiting wire resistor) return was more then 10 amps
digital miter keep going blank... When amps passes the reading limit.

Anyway, got to go...
So much to be said about this... This is not a Tesla or another coil... The Transformer (in not an air core)
 is heavy mass 98 bls. this means a real power return

Mem.

BEMF is simply a transformation of voltage from one level to another. The energy level is not increased.
When you apply voltage to a coil it will conduct, radiate magnetic flux and get saturated.
When the voltage is taken of the coil it strives to maintain its voltage level.
In this process it flips the voltage stored in the coil. Positive pin will become negative and vise versa.
If there is no load to take care of the reversed voltage at will shoot sky high, multiplying many times,
a lot higher than the applied voltage, but the current level of the BEMF will decrease at the same rate.

So, simply put:
The BEMF = Input Energy - Losses = Output Energy in reverse. No OU to be gained here. Period.

I know this by fact because I use the the BEMF in my daily work when designing Switched power supplies.
Recycling the BEMF of switched power supplies is the reason of them reaching those high efficiencies of 90% or more.

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Re: fact ! we are all here to find a F E device and make it runing ! so... :
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2007, 07:36:56 PM »
Honk, do your experiments for before you quote from text books!!!  Above statement is not accurate!

Do the experiment as outlined above circuit and make sure you use 98 lbs transformer...
You'll see big energy that returns, totaly amazing to see.

Return is low voltage with high amp's. I put in 3 amps (with current limiting wire resistor) return was more then 10 amps
digital miter keep going blank... When amps passes the reading limit.

Anyway, got to go...
So much to be said about this... This is not a Tesla or another coil... The Transformer (in not an air core)
 is heavy mass 98 bls. this means a real power return

Mem.

Well, in all cases so far known to man, when there have been reported more out then in by an AC transformer setup, then
its either faked or the measurements are just flawed due to bad knowledge and inferior instruments.
One of the most fundamental errors made is when people don't know about the reading errors of bad instruments when
the AC voltage and AC current is out of phaze. And this happens almost always when anything else than resistive loads is used.
But if this 98 lbs transformer experiment is as good as the guy says. then why not test the claimed overunity by closing the
circuitry into a self runner. If it runs then Statement Proven. If not then his setup is not working.

By the way, I don't need to read textbooks. I know by my daily work that Back EMF is not the key to overunity.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2007, 08:28:44 PM by Honk »

 

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