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Author Topic: Gravity, Magnetism, and BFOs, to power the TPU?  (Read 35490 times)

EMdevices

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Re: Gravity, Magnetism, and BFOs, to power the TPU?
« Reply #60 on: December 14, 2007, 11:22:39 PM »
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Anyway: the secret is, WHY the KICK occur in any simple conductor,when first energized.

From my experiments, and I have tried this very setup,  the wires move because of the LORENTZ forces of  F = q (v x B), or   for wires  F = I  dl x B, or something like that. The 'B' is the magnetic field of the earth, even though it is week, it can move a wire that is carring 100 Amps or maybe even less.   When you first connect a voltage source to a wire, a high level of current rushes onto the wire, and travels at the TRANSMISSION LINE VELOCITY.   There is a CHARACTERISTIC IMPEDANCE of the line as well, and that's when the most current flowes until it "sloshes" back and forth on the wire, reflecting from the load and back to voltage source and back out according to the REFLECTION COEFFICIENT at both ends, untill eventualy it settles down into a steady state DC current.

Anyway, if you know about transmission line theory, you will realize that's when you get the most current before it settles down to it's steady state value.

HOWEVER,  don't miss this point,   THESE CONCEPTS WERE A STARTING POINT FOR HIM.   He went on to learn and perfect.   What does tunning a radio like device have to do with an inrush of current?    He learned along the way, he had a concept develop in his mind and pursued it.   It is not just as simple as a kick.   That was more a "KICK" in the pants to get him pursuing free energy out of the magnetic field of the earth.  LOL  :)

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Re: Gravity, Magnetism, and BFOs, to power the TPU?
« Reply #61 on: December 15, 2007, 01:55:01 AM »
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Re: Gravity, Magnetism, and BFOs, to power the TPU?
« Reply #62 on: December 15, 2007, 02:07:22 AM »
EM:
   Can you tell me the freqs you used to make the traveling wave sim you did? I want to try something with this. Two more twelves and then four days off to play. Thats the one where you did two but said you wouldn't be doing three.

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Re: Gravity, Magnetism, and BFOs, to power the TPU?
« Reply #63 on: December 15, 2007, 04:11:41 AM »
When you first connect a voltage source to a wire, a high level of current rushes onto the wire, and travels at the TRANSMISSION LINE VELOCITY.   There is a CHARACTERISTIC IMPEDANCE of the line as well, and that's when the most current flowes until it "sloshes" back and forth on the wire, reflecting from the load and back to voltage source and back out according to the REFLECTION COEFFICIENT at both ends, untill eventualy it settles down into a steady state DC current.

Anyway, if you know about transmission line theory, you will realize that's when you get the most current before it settles down to it's steady state value.

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EM, Not quite right mate.

The steady-state current depends entirely on the value of the terminating resistor (or load), if there is one.

Initial current is determined strictly by the characteristic impedance of the TL. This is the impedance the source sees when the switch is thrown, and the current is set by the source voltage over the Zo of the line, regardless whether the TL termination is an open or a short, or anywhere in between.

In other words, if the TL load is higher than its Zo, then the initial current will be higher than the steady state one. If the load is lower than the Zo, the initial current will be lower than the steady state current.

So you see we can't make blanket statements that the initial current from the source driving a transmission line is always highest at the moment of switch contact.

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Re: Gravity, Magnetism, and BFOs, to power the TPU?
« Reply #64 on: December 15, 2007, 06:52:20 PM »
      You may already be aware of my theory on the dynamics of the tpu operation.
What I need to experiment with is my postulation that by ordering or concentrating energy in a given field there is an increase in gravitational attraction of less ordered energy.  My line of logic started after investigating the unipolar generator.  This device sets up an electrical potential between the outer diameter of a copper rotor and the slower rotating inner diameter or axle of the rotor.  This phenomenon only happens when magnetic lines of force are running perpendicular to the rotor rotation.  The magnetic lines of force cause the electrons in the outer diameter of the rotor to align inside the magnetic field passing through the rotor.    Now we have an orderly circulation of electrons in the outside diameter moving at whatever speed the rotor is driven at.  This mechanical circulation of ordered energy starts to resemble the electronic circulation inside the tpu collector windings. The trillion dollar question is why do the electrons migrate from the inner axle (less energetic)  to the outside diameter of the copper rotor (most energetic) through a brush contacting the outer diameter, through and external load, and back to the axle.  What force is at work moving the electrons from the axle to the brush within the rotor?   I believe that it is a universal force we call gravity.   Gravitational influence is affected by how orderly energy is not just  by how much energy there is in a given state.   I don't know if this theory has been advanced before because my study of the physical world is not conventional. I never took a conventional physics course.  Maybe a reader knows if this theory has ever been advanced before? 

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Re: Gravity, Magnetism, and BFOs, to power the TPU?
« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2007, 07:13:07 AM »
Good points Darren, especialy the open vs closed end.  It doesn't matter what's at that end in the initial time when the information (voltag and current) havent' reached the end, but in steady state it surely matters.

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...The trillion dollar question is why do the electrons migrate from the inner axle (less energetic)  to the outside diameter of the copper rotor (most energetic) through a brush contacting the outer diameter, through and external load, and back to the axle.  What force is at work moving the electrons from the axle to the brush within the rotor?..

it's the Lorentz electromotive force due to motion of a conductor through a magnetic field (F = q v x B).   At least that's how it's explained.   And when the magnet is fixed to the disc and rotating, it's still the same thing.        Magnetic fields seem to be attached to space when spun in axialy symetric ways, so they don't realy rotate.    That's my take on it, and I heard the other more exotic explanations from the Indian guy what ever his name was.

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Re: Gravity, Magnetism, and BFOs, to power the TPU?
« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2007, 05:16:37 PM »
  I studied the Lorenz principle and how it was applicable to the Unipolar generator and really didn't
see how it worked, especially when the magnets were part of the rotor.  I did note however that the electrons would be forced to align themselves with the permeating magnetic field due to the bipolar moments of electrons in the rotor,  reacting with the magnetic field.  This ordering of the electrons and the mechanical rotation of the whole rotor results in a substantial energy imbalance between the axle and the outer diameter of the rotor.  The magnetic field doesn't allow the energy from balancing itself within the spinning rotor (unlike when the magnets aren't present).  When an external circuit is constructed outside the influence of the magnetic field, (between the rotor axle and the rotor outside diameter) the energy flows.  The attraction of energy by the outer part of the rotor is stronger than the ability of the magnetic field to contain the lower order of energy in the axle and id area of the rotor,  Again I will state what I believe is the force at work here and in the tpu:  The More Ordered Energy Becomes The More Energy it will Attract.  I don't know if this is a new law of physics or not.  I'll just refer to it as Sparkonian physics for now unless someone else has come up with this before.   I am working on a web page about sparkonian physics  which will use illustrations of the sparkonian law of physics.

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Re: Gravity, Magnetism, and BFOs, to power the TPU?
« Reply #67 on: December 17, 2007, 05:23:31 AM »
Doesn't the edge of the rotor move faster than the axle?

Also, don't electrons move according to a potential?

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Re: Gravity, Magnetism, and BFOs, to power the TPU?
« Reply #68 on: December 18, 2007, 03:22:25 AM »
Doesn't the edge of the rotor move faster than the axle?

Also, don't electrons move according to a potential?


The electrons move from the edge through the load and then to the axle.  What is interesting here is what completes the flow from the axle to the outer edge.  The electrons near the outside diameter have more energy.  They are moving faster than the electrons in the axle.  Yet the current flows from the lower state of energy through the plate to the higher state and it does it independent of the input power.  I believe what we call positive electrical potential (protonic charge) is just an energy state where there exists more concentrated quonta.  The proton of the atomic neucleus has much more energy in a more organized state therefore exhibits a gravitational field which entraps the electrons.  Positive and negative electrical charges are just another expression of gravitational influence between systems of energy.  The energy concentrated in the outer diameter of the rotor exhibits gravitational influence over the electrons entering the system at the axle because it is a more concentrated and ordered an energy system than the electrons goofing around inside the axle.
The positive gravity is enough to drag electrons through magnetic lines of force.  I believe the same thing happens on the i.d. of the tpu.  + gravity in the collector circuit is created by electronic circulation within the collector windings.  The attractive principle causes the energy in the inside diameter of the tpu to first bend the magnetic lines around it then pop through these lines as it is attracted by the + gravity created by the electron flow in the o.d. of the collector windings.  It enters the energetic orbital flow inside the collector windings and strenghthens both the + gravity and the magnetic field size.  I guess what I am trying to say is that gravity and electrical potential is the same thing.  It all has to do with how much energy is trapped in an area defined by a magnetic structuring.  Magnetism is what happens when vectored or black energy meets round or vortex energy. Neither energy form able to convert into one another so they change their behaviours in reaction to each other.  Magnetism is an influence arising from the ordering of vectored energy while gravity is an influence arising from the ordering of vortex energy.  The universe itself just the dance these two forms of energy happen to be doing.

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Re: Gravity, Magnetism, and BFOs, to power the TPU?
« Reply #69 on: December 18, 2007, 09:23:06 PM »
@ Sparks
 "The More Ordered Energy Becomes The More Energy it will Attract.  I don't know if this is a new law of physics or not.  I'll just refer to it as Sparkonian physics for now unless someone else has come up with this before.   I am working on a web page about sparkonian physics  which will use illustrations of the sparkonian law of physics. "

You hit the nail on the head man....   I propose Calling it the LAW OF ORDER

Alright Great example of order .... take your finger in a bucket of water start moving it in a circle... if you do it right and around the same imaginary circle each time a vortex forms swirling the water around on its own.. if you move your finger in an erratic pattern not that of the original circle you brought it in it is much harder to get a vortex in water..

Just try it... If anything is right ...  It is "The law of order"... ha not law and order  Grin

  Tesla states quite clearly that when synchronous discharge happens the voltage levels in the secondary coil rises exponentially meaning if it was done asynchronous or not pulsed a a set interval it would not work half as good or show any real results... Just like my water example .. I mean no one wants to listen to a musician who cant keep time .

So my conclusion is that "If Energy is provided symmetrically at a given and repeated interval, additional energy can be gained in a system-Ordered Energy". These are my words and they seem to fit as crazy at that sounds. This touches on two interesting area's.. how energy becomes ordered or is given order, and the law of attraction so now ... going out on a limb could one say" A set of equations and ratios might be derived to directly correlate ordered energy needed to give favorable  conditions for law of attraction energy gains".  Some musicians who keep time very well are a band called Tower of Power...In your face funk   
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Re: Gravity, Magnetism, and BFOs, to power the TPU?
« Reply #70 on: December 19, 2007, 03:29:00 AM »
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     I think that this "law of order" was used in an ancient device legends speak of.  It was a golden box with two electrodes coming from the box.  It is illustrated in egyptian heirogliphics.  The electrodes look like telephone poles and it has wires looped from electrode to electrode.  There are legends about a spark traveling from electrode to electrode.  I believe this was an Energy collector that works on the AP (attractive principle).  The current traversing the electrode spark gaps or conductors would initiate a magnetic cylinder around it.  If this magnetic shell was large enough to pass through  the golden box,  it would act to guide ambient energy, trying to get to the driver current/spark,   into the walls of the box. If each of the opposing walls of the box were insulated from each other and connected to an electrode, then we have an energy sink developed.  As the magnetic field increased ,due to self construction, it would go by the collector walls of the golden box.  At this point, energy would no longer enter the golden collector walls of the box and the unit would start to regulate itself.  All that need to be done was hook-up wires to the collector plates of the box and run it out to an external load.  Of course like SM's tpu and my new design tpu there needs to be an initiator circuit of some sort to get the attractor current going.  It could have been some sort of battery inside the box and switch gear.  I am going to do an illustration of it and post it on my website.  Hope someone reads this and weighs in on this subject.  It is a real foggy memory about a show I saw that described the golden box and spark.   Supposedly it was running, and anyone who tried to touch it got their ass knocked across the floor.  Immediately the "highly civilized"  Egyptians of the era decided the box was there to send their King to wherever they figured out was the best place to send a deadman.  ;D  (Sorry I can't help but laugh at some of the shit people do to get to "heaven")  Anyway I'm going to work on the illustration.  This would be the third power sink that uses the law of order that I can think of.  I like the golden box because it is selfregulating, whereas the tpu has the ability to runaway.  The unipolar generator doesn't even compete, just a device to be studied.