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Title: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on December 16, 2007, 05:07:06 PM
Hi everyone,

Has anyone seen this before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fR3vBB1Yn0

also here are the other 2 videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/overunitydotcom


I have done a couple of searches for this video and the "World Improvement Technologies" here on OU.com with no hits.

Here is the text that sits along side the video

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World Improvement Technologies showing initial activation & then a self-running electrical motor generator combination with 900 net watts  ... all ? output. This is a result of studying the pioneers such as Tesla, Moray, Hendershot and 20 years work by a team of top scientists along with several million in R & D. For more information contact wits2014@yahoo.com

I am not massively convinced by the presentation, but there are a few things right with it.
Capacitor banks
'VERY Interestingly' wound motor
Variable frequency generator (electronics to keep it stable)
Points out "Special blue boxes" with no mention of what's in them.

After watching it a couple of times my question is this;

Is this an Ed Gray motor replication? ?

Or

A man in a disguise who wants to be famous? ?  ;D

Or something else entirely? ?

I am now going to send them an email asking for more information, as stated at the end of the video. I will, hopefully, have some more to post on this.

What are your thoughts? ? ?

 
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: wattsup on December 16, 2007, 06:59:02 PM
@bourne

Good catch. Ask them to come here at OU.com so we can ask them some questions.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: AhuraMazda on December 16, 2007, 08:02:01 PM
And I would like to ask, if this electricity is free and safe, why is he using conventional electricity to light his workshop?


AM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: z_p_e on December 16, 2007, 08:08:46 PM
So it sounds from what this guy said, is that they have essentially solved the world's energy problems, and if true...GREAT! Yet they are asking anyone wanting "more info" to email them.

What does "more info" really mean? C'mon, put 2 + 2 together.

Also sounds like they're all from some religious sect...so where is their action to save the world?....

Ah, THAT comes at a price!

I wouldn't get too worked up over this one guys, they'll get bought out and it will never be seen.

Either that, or it's probably all fake.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on December 16, 2007, 08:45:34 PM
I had things to do earlier so didn't get chance to google World Improvement Technologies (WITs)

http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/WITs/index.html (http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/WITs/index.html) is the only link I found

Have a look, you will Laugh Out Loud :D

Does everybody want to have a whip-round to try and raise the money?  :D

The PES networks entry was created in sept 2001, updated in sept 2007. They do not have their own website ! ! (yeah right I get it now)

I am learning fast.

The only way to stop the inevitable is to throw up a massive cloud of disinformation to confuse the confusable

I will not hold my breath for a reply to my request of "more information".  If I do get one, I bet it will be a .pdf price list. I will keep you posted.

Do you think this thread should be moved to the scam section? ?   I do.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hansvonlieven on December 16, 2007, 08:51:55 PM
G'day all,

I wonder how many suckers they get to put money into their scam.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: AhuraMazda on December 16, 2007, 08:52:03 PM
Also sounds like they're all from some religious sect...

LOL. You had heard of rice christians now behold the electric Christians!

AM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on December 16, 2007, 09:13:29 PM
Their organization is called W.I.T.  :D

I wish there was a smiley for rolling on the floor clutching my sides with tears running down my face.

@ Hans
Not many I should think at 500 000 000 USD for the plans of something that looks like it is nailed together in a scrapyard

@ AhuraMazda
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LOL. You had heard of rice christians now behold the electric Christians!
   :D  :D priceless

I think I will leave this alone and get back to Mr Viktor Schauberger. Far more interesting  ;)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on February 03, 2008, 12:14:34 PM
Over 6 weeks later I have received a reply

Here is what is says;

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We are WORLD IMPROVEMENT THROUGH THE SPIRIT MINISTRIES, WITTS.
 
Our Director is Sir Timothy Thrapp. You can do a google search on him. He is World Renown Scientist and Minister and Engineer.

We here at WITTS Ministries have produced demonstrations of electrical power, in excess of 20 Mega Watts!

THIS IS NOT A JOKE, OR A PRANK!

We are sincere and honest and plain Christian people.

 
We can answer all your questions by phone consultation.
 
Suggested donation is 100 dollars per hour.

PLEASE NOTE: ONE HOUR MINIMUM!

 
Send Donations by  to;           WITTS
                                            PO Box 293
                                            Holmesvile, Ohio   44691

 
Donations are tax deductible.
 
Or send donations, by pay pal to our treasurer John Miller, Wits2011@ yahoo.com

In addition to energy technologies, we also have developed solutions to all types of pollution.

We have developed transportation systems that can travel at fantastic speeds and runs on solar panels, or our own advanced energy systems. No wings needed, also no propellers or jet engines.

We are looking for people who want to help move these things forward! If you are such a person, DO NOT EMAIL US! Until after you have made a donation to our cause!

This will avoid us being inundated with junk emails.

THANK YOU!   

AND GOD BLESS YOU!

So there you have it, if you want to construct a 20 mega watt generator or install a transport system that can travel at tremendous speeds, just send them 100 dollars minimum!

If you do a Google search for Sir Timothy Thrapp you will NOT find a World Renown Scientist and Minister and Engineer

How strange!!

@ Everyone,
What do you say to using $100 out of the overunity.com prize fund so Stefan can give them a call?  ;)

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: starcruiser on February 03, 2008, 07:59:50 PM
Some thing I found relating, I think.

His name is Tim Thrapp....he used to live in Alaska and he was the one who told me about Henry Ford working with John Keely to create an arrangement inside early Model Ts so that magnets placed in them would make them self-running....the story goes that Ford was threatened by the oil companies for graft (kickbacks) or something along those lines...so he did this magnet trick as insurance...no one has yet come back with any proof of the claim that SOME Model Ts had these slots in the bell housing where magnets could be placed to make it self-running...here is the file; http://www.keelynet.com/energy/ford.htm
 
When Tim called me several years ago with that story, he said one of the cars had been found and the engine or a copy of it had been demonstrated, and the inventor killed on his drive home with the engine on a trailer...the engine was stolen... Tim also said he had some radical new power generator capable of 50kw but he gave no details about it..this was back in 1997....seeya!
 
Gary Vesperman wrote:
 
Dear friends,
 
I have received a letter from an energy inventor the following new energy suppression incident:
 
"Tim Trapp, from Ohio, was put in jail by the federal authorities in Arizona and by the state police in Ohio."
 
Without success I conducted some searches for Tim Trapp on keelynet.com and google.com. Do any of you know of any authoritative reports on Mr. Trapp's energy suppression troubles?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hansvonlieven on February 03, 2008, 10:31:10 PM
Just had this E-mail today

Hi Hans,

I have very much enjoyed all the work and posting that you have done on the Earth Battery. I have a question , have you ever heard of a Timothy Thrapp? The reason I ask is because I just heard a radio interview and he was talking a lot about Stubblefield earth battery, He give a very simple description of it at about 17 min into the hour show and tell how the AC is made.  http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/2007/09/29/timothy

I did listen to the broadcast, interesting stuff. I have written to Tim, let's see what he has to say or if I get a call from someone asking for 100 bucks.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 05, 2008, 02:53:10 AM
@ Hans:

They should pay money to speak to you!  Or, at least buy you a very good Australian beer.  The more I hear about this guy, the less I believe.  That part in the broadcast where he said he discovered a way to grow limbs back on dogs and people, but it was being suppressed sounded like a load of crap to me.


Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hansvonlieven on February 06, 2008, 09:53:54 AM
G'day all,

This is what I received. Why am I not surprised?

Hans von Lieven



Hello Sir!
 
Thank you for your interest in our new energy technologies!
 
We see you have Questions, We have answers.
 
We are WORLD IMPROVEMENT THROUGH THE SPIRIT MINISTRIES, WITTS.
 
Our Director is Sir Timothy Thrapp. You can do a google search on him. He is World Renown Scientist and Minister and Engineer.

We here at WITTS Ministries have produced demonstrations of electrical power, in excess of 20 Mega Watts!

THIS IS NOT A JOKE, OR A PRANK!

We are sincere and honest and plain Christian people.
 
We can answer all your questions by phone consultation.
 
Suggested donation is 100 dollars per hour.

PLEASE NOTE: ONE HOUR MINIMUM!
 
Send Donations by  to;           WITTS
                                            PO Box 293
                                            Holmesvile, Ohio   44691
 
Donations are tax deductible.
 
Or send donations, by pay pal to our treasurer John Miller, Wits2011@ yahoo.com

In addition to energy technologies, we also have developed solutions to all types of pollution.

We have developed transportation systems that can travel at fantastic speeds and runs on solar panels, or our own advanced energy systems. No wings needed, also no propellers or jet engines.

We are looking for people who want to help move these things forward! If you are such a person,
DO NOT EMAIL US! Until after you have made a donation to our cause!

This will avoid us being inundated with junk emails.

THANK YOU!   

AND GOD BLESS YOU!
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Koen1 on February 06, 2008, 04:58:18 PM
amazing! Yet another goup that is ready to hand over full plans for free energy devices if you only give them lots of money...

"We are sincere and honest and plain christian people" yeah well... So were the Spanish conquistadores and the inquisition... ;)

"We see you have questions. We have answers." But we don't give you any answers before you give us lots of your money.
That's how sincere and honest and plain we are.

Plain greedy is more like it...
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: thejerry on February 28, 2008, 12:45:34 AM
I sent them an email after seeing the video and they replied, in part;

We here at WITTS Ministries have produced demonstrations of electrical power, in excess of 20 Mega Watts!
THIS IS NOT A JOKE, OR A PRANK!
We are sincere and honest and plain Christian people.
We can answer all your questions by phone consultation.
Suggested donation is 100 dollars per hour.
PLEASE NOTE: ONE HOUR MINIMUM!

There won't be any one coming here to answer your questions. If they had anything like they claim, I doubt they would need to charge $100.00 to answer your questions. They may be WITTS but they are looking for half wits with plenty of cash!
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: sterlinga on March 05, 2008, 11:15:06 PM
See our coverage at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:World_Improvement_Through_The_Spirit_Ministries

From what we can gather from several sources who have had first-hand interaction with them, Thrapp, et al. are a talented group, and have been able to successfully replicate some legendary and exotic energy technologies, but their lack of business acumen while insisting that no such lack exists has been their primary pitfall; including their fabrication of stories about the extent of their success and of their suppression.  While some of it may be true, they provide no adequate evidence to support the full scope of their claims.  The huge up-front fees they require routinely sabotage any financing opportunities that come their way.  Their expectation of financial faith before adequate evidence has been supplied keeps them from making even one substantial sell of any of their numerous technologies they claim to have.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 06, 2008, 12:12:25 AM
I never watched this video untill today, and here's my comments.

1)  It looks interesting and if taken at face value, quite fantastic.  They claim a self running system working with the loop closed, so the "generator" feeds the motor that runs it.

2) The discussion about the capacitors is quite interesting and revealing.  He said in the video that they charge and discharge at 100 Hz or close to it.   The capacitors are for RESONANCE.  Isn't that interesting, resonance once again. He mentioned the need to TUNE, so the secret is not just the "generator", which by the way I have a feeling is nothing more than what we've seen already for some time (perendev, reluctance motors, adams motors, Bedini, etc...) just magnets on a rotor moving past coils.   The trick is resonance, anybody do that before?

3)  It's too bad inventions like these are tied to "Ministries" as they can put people off.

4)  He mentioned the fact that it took lots of years of experimentation (50 people or so) to perfect the device, which finds inspiration in the work of a number of scientists (Tesla, Moray, Stubblefield, Kelly, etc..)

I have a hunch this could be real guys, but beware, DON'T SEND MONEY to these guys.  It's so ridiculous , $100 /hour to talk?  How about making a better video first so all questions about hidden cables can be addressed.  And a public demonstration, etc..

Remember,  my comments are all based on the ASSUMPTION that what they say in the video is truthfull.  I'm giving them the benefit of doubt.   Innocent until proven guilty.

EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2008, 02:25:32 AM
Is anybody friendly with any Amish in Ohio {not easy to do for us 'english']  but could be worth the trip. I know an Amish fellow in P.A. but they don't use phones I will be traveling their in two weeks I.ll look him up Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 06, 2008, 03:04:07 AM
Note,  it's not easy to resonate at such low frequency, and you need a lot of capacitors for that, which is exactly what Tim has.

Here's a diagram to illustrate what I'm thinking so far.   We know that motor windings have inductance and can resonate separately to the generator (or motor) function they may provide.  Fluxes due to resonance and flux cutting are separate and each does it's thing.

So, imagine a motor that is tuned to resonate electromagnetically, as in LC resonance  where f = 1 / [sqrt(LC)*2*pi]  where the frequency also happens to be the rotational frequency as well.   With proper phasing,  we can drive current at the peak voltage, and hence "create" more power by the judicious use of the cycle.

I've always wondered if that was possible, this gives me hope that it might be possible.

EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 06, 2008, 03:42:11 AM
Here's some frame grabs:

1)  Motor seems to have 4 poles

2)  Lots of capacitors, and we see what may be the inverter (small yellow/aluminum box)

EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 06, 2008, 04:25:06 AM
Ok, here's what I can deduce from the picture.  Seems to be a simple 4 pole winding, so it stands to reason that perhaps the rotor also has 4 magnets on it.

EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 06, 2008, 04:33:36 AM
Here's some frame grabs:

1)  Motor seems to have 4 poles

2)  Lots of capacitors, and we see what may be the inverter (small yellow/aluminum box)

EM

This  looks  alot  like  an idea that I  have been working on .

I would use  more than  4 poles  ......and  more  magnets than poles   ...... 


The  capacitor bank looks interesting 
They  look like motor start  caps to me ....I have a couple that look similar    they  are 5 MF  370V

I had  planned  on  making  each  coil  bifilar.
The idea was  to be able to switch one of the    windings on each pole out to   a load   depending  on  power requirements  and  other  things .   

It seems to me  that   if all   the    windings  could be switched independently   into a load  it  would be  great  for something like a  magnetic / electric  hybrid  car . 

gary   
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 06, 2008, 04:42:14 AM
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I would use  more than  4 poles  ......and  more  magnets than poles   ...... 

I was thinking the same thing.   If we use more poles, the frequency will be higher at a given RPM, and we won't need so many capacitors (provided the inductance stays the same)   I'm not sure about using a different number of magnets than poles.  That might work though, in a system like I show in the first diagram with independent coils.   Then, in such a configuration, the more the better.

I know exactly what to try, I have my old motor right here  ready for some resonance.  I just need to scrounge up some capacitors.  I just can't wait to give resonance a chance  :)

EM

P.S.  This might have something to do with the TPU, the toroidal nature of the stator, rotational fields, resonance, etc..  At the core of it, the principles of energy generation might be the same.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 06, 2008, 05:06:22 AM
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I would use  more than  4 poles  ......and  more  magnets than poles   ...... 

I was thinking the same thing.   If we use more poles, the frequency will be higher at a given RPM, and we won't need so many capacitors (provided the inductance stays the same)   I'm not sure about using a different number of magnets than poles.  That might work though, in a system like I show in the first diagram with independent coils.   Then, in such a configuration, the more the better.

I know exactly what to try, I have my old motor right here  ready for some resonance.  I just need to scrounge up some capacitors.  I just can't wait to give resonance a chance  :)

EM

P.S.  This might have something to do with the TPU, the toroidal nature of the stator, rotational fields, resonance, etc..  At the core of it, the principles of energy generation might be the same.

Although   your  idea with the troridal  core  does look alot more like   the picture ,  My  plan was to use separate  solinoid  type coils . 
I  don't  thin that more  magnets would  work  with  the toroid  core.

What  ran through my mind   when I  saw your  drawing is that  it would be heavy  ......if that is the  way  the  motor in the picture was made I  would guess that it weighs  well  over 200 pounds..

What would be the advantages of using  one large  toroid  rather than lots of little  coils ?

can  the   toroid  be put into resonance  itself?

or into  a  magnetic   rotation  like in a TPU ?




gary

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 06, 2008, 05:48:16 AM
very good questions gary,  I agree, there are better ways, and individual solenoids (coils) would be the way to go.  That's what I plan on doing as well.  The toroidal version like his seems to be too heavy.

also, I just saw the other video with the water heater, and I'm just totally amazed.   He worms up about 1.5 liters of water from 100 to 180 deg F, with a 9V battery that draws 0.18 Amps, or 180 miliAmps, so he draws only about 1.6 watts.  He credits resonance once again  (vibrational in this case, I believe)   Just amazing, and he talks about Kelly as being his inspiration.

I have to say, these videos sure gave me a boost today. 

EM

P.S.  Ok, here's what I'm going to try as soon as I can.  Very simple concept.  It's all about resonance.  We have to match the tank resonance with the speed frequency (taking into account the # of magnets, etc..)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: innovation_station on March 06, 2008, 06:44:26 AM
 ;D 8) ;)


look familiar .........


hummmmm    how could it work .......  lol


ist



Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 06, 2008, 07:53:09 AM
EM

I have  thought for a long time that resonance is one of the major  keys  for unlocking  OU

I remember  Tesla  once said  if it wasn't for  resonance there would be nothing interesting about  electrical engineering



Your plan looks good to me ........ what about   adding a cap   to the red coil and making it  resonant  too ?


gary
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 06, 2008, 09:12:09 AM
EM

I  have been thinking  about this  motor

It  does look like it  can't possably  work  .

It  is not actually  driven  by anything .   

It is  started  by  giving it a spin

If  you  spin  it fast enough to ring  it  into resonance  the  resonance  should take over.

The key  will be if the interaction  of the rotor  magnets and the  resonance are constructive or  destructive.

Other   attempts  at  OU motors  try to  capture  flyback  ..... WIth  this  motor if  the  interaction   is constructive  as I suspect it  is    ...,. ALL the  flyback  will be  captured  automaticly




If   the interaction   is found to be partly  constructive    some  pieces of  iron  might  be needed  to shape the  magnetic fields




gary





Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 06, 2008, 03:16:27 PM
Quote
It is  started  by  giving it a spin..

hi gary,  are you describing another motor concept than what's in the video?   In the video he drives the generator with the motor, and I intend to do the same thing at first.   I just left off the motor from the drawings since I'm assuming its obvious.    But what you say is interesting.  I certainly hope to improve upon it and make it self running without a "motor" per say, but it will have the motor function incorporated into it, like the Adam/Bedini motors etc..    Right now the chalenge for me is to engineer the magnetic circuit so I get as high an inductance as possible, so I won't need a box full of capacitors.   I'm trying to push the envelope towards High RPM,  lots of poles, closed magnetic circuit with very small air gap.  I have a set of lightweight neos and that's what I want to use, it will probably be disc shaped.

It would be so awesome if at some RPM the thing started running itself, so I can disconect the motor, sort of like the rusian experimental testbed for the SEARL device. 

EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Groundloop on March 06, 2008, 03:41:19 PM
@EMdevices,

Here's what I did deduce from the picture.
Not sure if this setup will work or not.  :D

Groundloop.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: innovation_station on March 06, 2008, 03:48:13 PM
 8)

nice

groundloop

its ALL FAKE lol

it cant work

hummmm......

ist     ;D
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 06, 2008, 04:28:17 PM
Quote
It is  started  by  giving it a spin..

hi gary,  are you describing another motor concept than what's in the video?   In the video he drives the generator with the motor, and I intend to do the same thing at first.   I just left off the motor from the drawings since I'm assuming its obvious.    But what you say is interesting.  I certainly hope to improve upon it and make it self running without a "motor" per say, but it will have the motor function incorporated into it, like the Adam/Bedini motors etc..    Right now the chalenge for me is to engineer the magnetic circuit so I get as high an inductance as possible, so I won't need a box full of capacitors.   I'm trying to push the envelope towards High RPM,  lots of poles, closed magnetic circuit with very small air gap.  I have a set of lightweight neos and that's what I want to use, it will probably be disc shaped.

It would be so awesome if at some RPM the thing started running itself, so I can disconect the motor, sort of like the rusian experimental testbed for the SEARL device. 

EM

Oooopppssss

I guess I am guilty of posting   without   going back and  checking  on  the rest of the thread .

My posts were based  on    the posts on this page  .......and your reply 18 in particular.


I  did  watch the   vidio  when it was first posted here.     

There was  to much   that didn't  seem right about the  video .

I also  didn't  recognise  it as a generator  based on resonance .
The  video  doesn't  say it is  based on resonance . it says   you have to know  enough about  different kinds of electon  flows    and only one type of electron flow is taught in  school . 

one  reason  I was skeptical   about the  generator  is  the  start  up and  shutdown steps .     the  guy  running it   had to   screw in a light bulb  to see if it was running .   

If it is  based on  resonance it  starts to make  more sense .      If  the builder didn't bother to gear the start motor   to the right speed   it could run all day and   be near  resonance but not  quite into resonance.




I am glad that you  watched  the video  with more of  an open mind than I did. 


About  your  engineering  on  this

Can you  guess  how  long it will take ? 

My plans  for  a  generator  based on resonance  call  for  adding  radient energy  into the mix .......I am not progressing  very  fast .
   It will take at least a couple months  to test my ideas. 

gary

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 06, 2008, 04:40:44 PM
nice drawing groundloop!!   IS, it's not fake until proven !  Do you have information that it's fake?


Ok, here's a schematic of a simple generator connected to a capacitor for striking resonance.
 

A coil rotates between two magnets forming the generator. The magnets produce a horizontal flux. We also connect a  capacitor to the windings and try to strike resonance by speeding up the motor to the right RPM.   

Now, here's what's interesting,  flux cutting is maximum when the loop is HORIZONTAL.  At this position we induce the most voltage in the loop.   While the voltage is building up, we see in the graph that the induced, or generated voltage is in phase with the voltage due to resonance.   It's like pushing a swing to build up the oscillations.   

Note that there is also resistance, and this resistance can also model power that is being extracted.  When we reach a maximum oscillation condition, the phase of the driving voltage will change from what is shown in the graph, however, we can see that the voltages add up (they're in phase), and if we extract just a little current, the in phase voltage drop across the resisitor (hence the real power extracted) will be contributed to by BOTH VOLTAGES.   This is now EXTRA power !!!    We are using STORED UP energy, or magnetic field  to do work. We need to build up the resonance first, then we "cash in"  

A controler is needed to make sure we don't kill the oscillations by overloading the generator, or else we are back to UNITY.

EM

P.S.  gary,  I'm glad I picked up on the resonance.  He mentioned it when he talks about the capacitors and mentions the 100 Hz frequency.  Then it all cliked for me  :)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: innovation_station on March 06, 2008, 04:46:31 PM
@ EM

that was a JOKE LOL!!!!

HOW CAN IT BE FAKE ?!?!?!?!

IST
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 06, 2008, 04:57:19 PM
IS,  there are lots of ways this can be fake.   I'm just taking it at "face value" for now, and I'm assuming it's not.

Here's another way to realize how the energy is created.    Let's think about a swing.    If VOLTAGE is analogus to the SPEED,  then we can see that if we build up the swinging oscillations, the swing will have a larger speed past the rest position.  (The "speed" of voltage in a circuit is actualy due to the rate of change of magnetic flux, so the more flux you get to "swish" back and forth the better)   Now, if CURRENT is analogus to the FORCE on the swing,  we realize that if we try to take energy from the swing at the zero position, we put a retarding force on it, but it's moving fast and we have lots of energy (high voltage due to "speed" x current).   But we've slowed it down a bit.   At the top of the swing however,  we apply a force (at lower speed, hence voltage) and restore the speed of the swing with minimal energy.   

Anyway, it's a usefull analogy, although I have doubts if we can duplicate it with a mechanical swing or pendulum. (there is that guy who claims a more efficient water pump using a pendulum, so perhaps the ideas work in the mechanical realm as well)

The main idea however is that we build up energy and extract it in a controled manner.  We "invest" some energy in the device and then take out dividents on it.   In a nutshell we are also making use of gaging.   We invest at the right time and extract at the more advantageous time.    Buy low sell high  :)

EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Groundloop on March 06, 2008, 05:42:33 PM
@innovation_station,

I have made a prototype based on my drawing.
The prototype has only three coils to see if the systems work or not.
The motor generator runs and has a output on the magnetic cross coupled
coil. So I conclude that is IS possible to build the motor generator shown in
my drawing. May drawing is NOT a joke, the 600W generators discussed MAY be a joke.

Groundloop.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: innovation_station on March 06, 2008, 05:53:48 PM
nice groundloop


 ;)


i will lable my words*as sarcastic* from now on ......when ment to be lol


ist
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Koen1 on March 06, 2008, 06:00:11 PM
Groundloop,

so what's the measurements on that prototype?
How much do you put in and how much does it put out?

Does it look like a full version (with not just 3 test coils)
could produce more output than input?

I'm kind of missing that here... Sure it may do something,
but does it do what we want it to do? ;)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 06, 2008, 06:22:16 PM
nice testbed groundloop.  nice and small and compact !!

are you trying out this concept of resonance?   you should.

EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Groundloop on March 06, 2008, 06:23:13 PM
@Koen1,

My motor as it is now is only 1/4 of the drawing. I have found that the method of closed loop
magnetic pathways IS working. First (look at the circuit drawing) the magnets is coupled
to each other through the Iron rotor. This will close the magnetic path on the back side of
the magnets. The result is a stronger magnetic field from the magnets. This means one can use
smaller magnets than a normal pulse motor. Now the motor coils is also connected together
with Iron. By doing this the magnetic field from the magnets is free to travel through the iron
thus closing the magnetic path. But since the rotor is rotating the magnetic field in the outher
iron ring will alternate. This will produce power in the generator coils.

I must add that a great source for Iron rotors can be found in AC powered fans.

My setup as it is now is NOT over unity. It runs from a 12 Volt 7 A lead acid battery with the output
looped back to the battery. The current it uses is very low. The battery is depleted very slowly.

Groundloop.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Groundloop on March 06, 2008, 06:31:26 PM
@EMdevices,

No I have not tried resonance yet. What I initially was building was a high speed Bedini charger.
My motor coil has three windings. I soon discovered that (for some unknown reason) I could
not get out much back emf voltage from the third coil. The motor ran at breath taking speeds
but the output was very low. So I added a second coil to slow down the motor a bit. This coil
did charge my batteries. Then I got the idea of the closed loop magnetic field motor generator
and added a third coil with a Iron laminate from coil 1 to coil 2. This coil did ALSO produce
an output. So I guess that my idea of closed loop magnetic path in a motor does work.
It has not given me free energy so far though.  :D

Groundloop.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 06, 2008, 06:38:02 PM
your system is actually optimal for trying the resonance,  and that is because it has a closed flux path, and high inductance.

what you probably have to do is to add another isolated coil for the motor function,  and leave the 3 coils you now have as they are.  You actually want to connect them in series to get lots of turns  (inductance goes up)  Or perhaps connect only two of coils in series and use the third to extract energy, etc..

Then get lots of capacitors and connect them in series with the higher inductance coil and speed up the motor to try and hit resonance.    Your small design might have problems though.   A larger diameter wheel will have a higher frequency for the same rotation if you can fit more magnets on it.

just some idea to try...

EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Groundloop on March 06, 2008, 07:24:31 PM
@EMdevices,

Attached is a drawing of the initial motor. The four Neos is flush with the Iron rotor in the center. The rest of the rotor
is plastic and the magnets is secured with a lot of glue inside the plastic. The rotor is 63 mm in diameter and 15 mm
thick. I use 8 Neo magnets 14 mm x 8 mm stacked two and two thus making a NSNS rotor. As I said before, the
output from the L3 coil is disappointing low. I think the main reason is that the motor coil is very effective when driving
the rotor. Another reason is that the transistor does not completely shuts off since the rotor is so small and the rpm is
so high. Just a theory.

I'm not able to test out more coils on this motor right now. I have run out of magnet wire and ferrite cores.
But I see no reason for others to try. The rotor is from a AC fan with the fan blades removed. I have also
removed the fan coils and laminates. This leaves a great double ball bearing rotor with a round laminated Iron
rotor in the center, One then glue on magnets to get a pulse motor. The modifications one have to do on a AC
fan of this type should not take more than 10 minutes.

The exact type of fan used is: NMB Model 4710PS-23T-B20, 230VAC, 1Phase, 50Hz or 60Hz, 9 Watt at 50Hz 8 Watt at 60Hz.

Groundloop.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 06, 2008, 07:37:55 PM
Here's some usefull equations:


To find the electric frequency given an RPM:


f = [RPM rot/min] x [1 min / 60 sec] * [N ecycles/rot] = ecylces/sec = Hz

where, N is the number of magnetic poles on the circumference of the motor and each produces one electric cycle (ecycle).  Remember, each pole, whether "N" or "S", will create one cycle of +/- voltage swing in a coil.   As the flux increases in the coil, the coil repels it by lenz's law, then it reaches full strength and the d phi/dt is zero, so no voltage induced, then as it retreats and decays, the coil tries to maintain the flux (again Lenz's law) so reversed polarity occurs.

Example:

RPM = 6000,  N = 10

f = [6000 rot/min]  x  [10 Ecycles / rot]  x  [1 min / 60 sec]  = 1000 Hz = 1 KHz

Now the trick is to create a resonant tank at 1KHz, by adding capacitors.

Assume the motor coils have an inductance L = 10 u H = 1e-5 H

We can calculate the capacitance we need as follows:

C = 1 / [L * (2 PI f)^2] = 1/ [ 1e-5 * (2 * 3.14 * 1000)^2] = 2 530 uF
 

Now, if you hook up that much capacitance to the coils, and spin the motor at 6000 RPM, you will have a matched condition where resonance will start to build up.  Watch out, energy galore !!!   :)

EM

P.S.  that's nice drawing groundloop. I recognize the old Bedini circuits I played around with. I'll have to think about how to integrate the motor and the resonace capacitor in the same unit so I won't have to use an external motor.

P.S.  it should be aparent that it might be beter to increase the inductance so the capacitance is smaller.  wire tends to be cheaper  :)    also a closed magnetic path will increase the inductance considerably.   And finaly, the capacitors need to be AC,  not electrolitics.  I know the temptation is there to use electrolitics, but they are meant for DC and will overheat and blow up or bust and vent.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Groundloop on March 06, 2008, 07:53:11 PM
@EMdevices,

The biggest problem is to find the Henry value of my coils since I do not have a meter for measuring inductance.

To find the RPM is easy, just hook up the scope to the motor coil and measure the pulse repetition time.
Then I use f = 1/t. Knowing that my circuit will only fire on the North magnets passing I then
divide that value in two and then divide by 60. This gives me the RPM.

Groundloop.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 06, 2008, 07:59:11 PM
If you have an oscilloscope, and a known value capacitor, you can give the two a pulse and see the ringing on the oscilloscope  (place the oscilloscope in ONE TIME trigger mode)   You can then capture the ringing and see what frequency it is.   Then you can work backwards with the equations I posted up there and find the inductance you have.

Or, you can just try and apporximate by calculating the inductance given the lengths, number of turns, etc..

In any even, you will need lots of capacitors  :)   or super high speed with lots of poles.  That's why nobody has tried this before due to these formidable challenges.

EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Groundloop on March 06, 2008, 08:05:22 PM
@EMdevices,

Is it possible to use NiCads instead of capacitors? A NiCad is (sort of) a big electrolytic capacitor.
What about super caps? Altough they are expensive one get a lot of Farad for the money.  ;D

Groundloop.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: innovation_station on March 06, 2008, 08:21:15 PM
 ;D


well i dont know about nicads but i have personally tryed old batteryies....   1.5 9v ect.....   and i was able to recharge them im sure they act a translating devices ......


ist

a song i just love......              ~~~INTO THE NIGHT~~~

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QrgMNpe8_eE
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 07, 2008, 04:11:10 AM
I'm not sure about NiCads or any other type of battery for that matter.  They just can't replace an AC capacitor for this type of function.   They have high internal resistance, etc..   
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: lobo on March 07, 2008, 09:45:08 AM
hi all,
sory i aem no speek english.

Resonant motor:http://free-energy.webpark.cz/teorie/rez-motor/projekt-rm.pdf

Patent resonant motor:http://free-energy.webpark.cz/patent.html

Resonance GAIN-10-100-1000 atd:Magnifying Transmitter:http://free-energy.webpark.cz/teorie/free-energy.pdf

Resonance and all good literatur Thread:"ÄŒten? pro odborn?ky":http://free-energy.webpark.cz/

All cz speek sorry.
Meybe resonant motor patent english from google?



Title: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Earl on March 07, 2008, 11:05:18 AM
@innovation_station,

I have made a prototype based on my drawing.
The prototype has only three coils to see if the systems work or not.
The motor generator runs and has a output on the magnetic cross coupled
coil. So I conclude that is IS possible to build the motor generator shown in
my drawing. May drawing is NOT a joke, the 600W generators discussed MAY be a joke.

Groundloop.

@Groundloop

I enjoyed looking at your deduction of Timothy's motor / generator, but must inform you that if for each passing magnet the magnetic polarity of the electromagnet stays the same, you are obliged to have each rotor magnet with the identical magnetic direction.

Since your rotor has alternating magnetic polarity, your motor coils must also have alternating magnetic polarity.  This is not possible to achieve with a simple Bedini type of pulse control.  An optimal control circuit for pulsing the motor coils will have to have a little more complexity.  Either the electromagnet will need a bifilar motor winding - or the electronics will have to be able to pulse the motor coil with alternating electrical polarity.

The extra complexity is somewhat compensated by the fact that the approaching rotor magnet with be attracted to the ferric core that will have a residual opposite magnetic polarity.

Even in this case, although I could see a high-efficiency motor, I don't see any apparent source of free energy with this configuration.  Do you see any possible source of FE for this configuration?

Earl



Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 07, 2008, 03:19:04 PM
I noticed the google video is no longer available.    Suppression? or Incompetence?   :)
EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Freezer on March 07, 2008, 03:30:34 PM
I noticed the google video is no longer available.    Suppression? or Incompetence?   :)
EM

Here's 10 minutes of it, I guess they forgot to delete this one as well.  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYmrQ8q0F98
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 07, 2008, 04:53:00 PM
This seems to be the same design but notice that he shows the shaft rotates smoothly from stand still.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jt5z8L4LBJE&feature=related

AM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on March 07, 2008, 05:48:07 PM
EMDevices:

First, I very much enjoy your posts.

I think you are on to something here.  I also believe this unit is real.   There are similarities to historical and current OU systems that are remarkable.  Most of the Bedini motors are resonantly coupled, tesla coils are resonantly coupled, the TPU effects seemed to be based on resonance, etc.

I think your idea of measuring capacitor resonance is brilliant.   As Bearden says, any dipole is a source of infinite energy. A capacitor is nothing but a large dipole. Resonant induction may enable the capacitor to be charged by local vacuum energy. Or to paraphrase Bedini, perhaps we can "ping" the capacitor into resonance with the local active vacuum.  I have a feeling that the key to all these systems is the timing/switching and the proper use of resonant coupling.

As for this 900W generator, I think it looks very similar to a Bedini system combined with elements of a TPU.  I do not think this is a coincidence.




Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Groundloop on March 07, 2008, 05:51:30 PM
@Earl,

It is not a deduction of Timothy's motor / generator. It is a further development of my
iron center rotor setup. But I thought it looked a bit like the Timothy's system so I
posted it here.

My motor circuit is designed to trigger on North passing magnets. Only two coils opposite to each other will be firing at the same time. I have tested that the the outher generator coil
works in this setup.

>Do you see any possible source of FE for this configuration?

Maybe.

Groundloop.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: gyulasun on March 07, 2008, 11:35:34 PM
@EMdevices,

The biggest problem is to find the Henry value of my coils since I do not have a meter for measuring inductance.

To find the RPM is easy, just hook up the scope to the motor coil and measure the pulse repetition time.
Then I use f = 1/t. Knowing that my circuit will only fire on the North magnets passing I then
divide that value in two and then divide by 60. This gives me the RPM.

Groundloop.

Hi Groundloop,

Although EM suggested a good inductance measurement method, here is another one if you like:

http://www.coilgun.info/theory/measureinductance.htm

You could use a normal linear potmeter instead of the resistance decade box and in Step 5 you could measure the potmeter setting with an Ohm meter of course.  If you have coils with high copper resistance that would happen to approach the series potmeter adjusted resistance, then you have to measure separately the coil DC resistance and consider it in the measured potmeter resistance for a more precise calculation for your coil's L.
Also, if you have coils with lower number of turns (i.e.  L values of some milliHenries only) you would prefer using only 2-3V AC voltage for the measurement at your 50Hz to limit the current in the measuring circuit (potmeters do not like the higher milliamper currents that tend to flow in cases of low inductive coil reactances...).  Or if you happen to have a low frequency audio generator-like source, it would also be great instead of the mains transformer.

rgds,  Gyula

PS: See this link also for a similar method, although it needs a 1V AC audio generator source (or a 1V mains transformer secondary output) : http://et.nmsu.edu/~etti/fall96/electronics/induct/induct.html   
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 08, 2008, 02:43:22 AM
Quote
...I have a feeling that the key to all these systems is the timing/switching and the proper use of resonant coupling.

Hi Feynmen,  what you mention is probably the key, the right timing/phasing and resonance.   


@ all,

you know what I've been thinking,  this might be a breakthrough in the TPU mystery !!!

Where's what has become apparent to me from the Thrapp motor, and I'm so glad I saw this thread.

We need electromagnetic resonance of the tank circuit formed by the generator windings and an external capacitor, but we've seen that we need fast rotation speeds or we'll need lots of inductance and capacitance.   

However,  what if we replace the mechanical rotor with the stator of an AC motor that creates ROTATIONAL MAGNETIC FIELDS ?

So, replace the rotor in the generator, with a STATIONARY armature that can produce rotational mag fields with phasing, like in AC motors.   Now speed is not a problem, no mechanical limitations !!!!!    Didn't SM mention something about the need for HIGH SPEED?   Now we have two stationary motor/generator circular coils in close proximity, one playing the motor function, the other the generator (and loaded with capacitors for resonance).  This now begins to look more like the TPUs!!!   

Is that wild or what?,  Now we don't have mechanical limitations, and can get fast speeds and we can do it with small capacitors instead of a box full.

So to recap, 

1)  CREATE ROTATIONAL MAGFIELDS WITH 2 OR 3 STATIONARY PHASE WINDINGS
2)  IMPLEMENT THE GENERATOR WITH CAPACITORS CONNECTED TO THE WINDINGS FOR RESONANCE
3)  EXTRACT ENERGY !!!!!

EM

P.S.  At any rate,  I wondering if the extra energy comes about due to ROTATIONAL aspects coupled with resonance, or if this can be done with linear systems?  I guess it's premature to speculate.  I want to duplicate the Thrapp motor setup first, and then try and simplify.   I'm getting excited again, just like with the Mike HMM, Bedini replicated motor, the famous SELF RUNNER  :)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 08, 2008, 03:13:21 AM
This is some exciting !!! stuff, Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 08, 2008, 03:15:10 AM
And to illustrate with a drawing,  here's a simple device:

1) Ring with 4 coils for creating rotational mag fields
2) Center ferrite inductor and capacitor as the resonant tank to be excited to resonance.
3) Extra windings for extracting high current output.

EM

P.S.  If this doesn't work, then maybe we need another ring with 4 more coils for the generator function (just like the Thrapp generator) and then hook that up to the capacitors.  If that doesn't work either, then maybe the mystery is in the magnets and we need physical motion, or maybe I'm full of it and speculating in the wind  :)
Remember, the input power (the two phases) should also be high frequency, NOT your 60 Hz or 50 Hz grid power.   This is the whole point, to bypass the mechanical limitations of a motor and go for that high speed, however, it might be easier for people to experiment with motors since creating a 2phase circuit might be a bit beyond the skill level of most folks.  I haven't built one either, so I'll have to research a bit.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: tao on March 08, 2008, 06:17:37 AM
Isn't this the way EM, you make another amazing set of posts, then I come in and say awesome job and give corroborating insights? LOL...  ;D

Well, just as you did EM, I came upon these three videos from these gentleman just a few days ago, I had only seen the 900watt video before, hadn't seen the other two. I must say, after seeing the videos, I have to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that I think what they are showing is REAL, for many reasons.

Sure, their upfront $100/min fees and general actions SEEM like all the other con artists that have flooded the FE scene, BUT... There is just something about these guys, irregardless of the shady actions, that makes me just HAVE to conclude them innocent until proven guilty. Again, time will tell as it always does.

Without going too much into things at this time, I would just like to make some basic comments about other devices and resonance at this time........

EM, you covered the electromagnetic stuff well, awesome job so far!

I could talk about the Testatika and other electrostatic devices that I have come to personally learn operate via these resonance effects, namely, a resonance between two tanks that allows for the seamless movement of electrostatic charges without much resistance, and the reason for the enormous wattage outputs of these devices...The reason I don't want to get into this right here is because this thread is about Thrapp and the WITS stuff.

Now, something I do want to get into is the water heater of Thrapp, since EM is handling the other devices so well. By looking at the sphere water heater of Thrapp and showing you other devices that operate the same way, you can see why I am giving Thrapp and WITS the benefit of the doubt and declaring them innocent until proven guilty.

Two devices that I know that operate on the SAME principles as Thrapp's sphere water heater are:
1. The resonant water heater of Peter Davey from New Zealand
2. The steam resonator of Stan Meyer(deceased of course) from Ohio

Both devices are known to use resonance (based on the size and physical setup of the metal elements) to heat water VERY efficiently (starting from many thousands of percent). Both use simple electrical circuit setups to send the AC (Davey's device) or pulsed DC (Meyer's device) to the metallic elements that are IN DIRECT contact with the 'liquid to be heated", in both cases being water.

It appears, after much research, that all THREE of the devices, Thrapp's,, Davey's, and Meyer's, they ALL use specific GEOMETRIC metallic elements that are in direct contact with water and specific electric inputs to said metallic structures to produce STANDING WAVES in the water itself which heat the water VERY QUICKLY and VERY EFFICIENTLY...Just listen to Thrapp in the video, he says that the probe that goes to the middle of the sphere is the NEGATIVE, and so the thing on the outside would be the positive and these would be imparted with the correct frequency (based on the size of the sphere!) via electricity and boom, hot water almost instantly... Resonance at its finest...

Before I go off on tangents and keep typing for ever, I want to give you guys some links to the Davey device and the Meyer device...

See this page for the Davey device, there are many pictures on it, showing Davey (now 92 yrs old) and his theory and the history of his device and its supression:

LINK --- http://merlib.org/node/5504

Here are some excerpts from the link:
"Peter Davey, a 92-year-old Christchurch inventor and saxophone player, says he has used his love of music to come up with a device that boils water rapidly"

"The principle is beautiful. I have cashed in on a natural phenomenon and it's all about music," he said.
"If I hadn't been playing the saxophone, I probably wouldn't have come up with the idea."
Davey noticed as he played the saxophone at home that everything resonated at a different frequency.
"The glasses will tinkle on one note. Knives and forks in the drawer will tinkle on another note and I realised that everything has its point of vibration," he said. "In the same way, a component in the ball is tuned to a certain frequency."

"After being constructed, the Davey's telekinetic heater must be "tuned" in two different manners. The first tuning depends on providing the hemispherical bowl (1) with such frequency of the own oscillations, that makes this bowl to resonate acoustically when a sound of the frequency 50 Hertz is emitted nearby. The second tuning of the heater depends on appropriate selecting the distance "L" between both bowls (1) and (2). On this distance depends the formation of the standing wave between both bowls. Thus it decides about the energy efficiency of the entire heater."

I have info on the Meyer steam resonator, but it is very similar to the Davey setup. Meyer's uses two flat plates or two tubes inside each other to achieve the same effects, those being heated water or steam almost instantly!

As you can see from the Davey link above, and specifically from that last quoted excerpt that I put above, its ALL ABOUT THE TUNING!!! (isn't that what SM kept saying? lol) Seriously, its about KNOWING how the designed system is supposed to best resonate and then fine tuning the electrical input, the frequencies, the physical design and orientation of the device, basically everything about the device. Once in resonance, look out!!!

(I had some wine at dinner, so excuse any grammatical or logical errors, lol, j/k)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 08, 2008, 12:59:34 PM
I  did  watch the   vidio  when it was first posted here.     
I also  didn't  recognise  it as a generator  based on resonance .
The  video  doesn't  say it is  based on resonance . it says   you have to know  enough about  different kinds of electon  flows    and only one type of electron flow is taught in  school . 
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they said very distinctly in the video, that  you have to know about different KINDS OF ELECTRICITY than "electron flow" only. this is what bedini is talking about too. if measurement equipment only measures electron flow, and whats happening in the circuit  is high voltage and no current, how can it be measured?
rotoverter, bedini and this 900watt conduit (he called it a conduit, but agreed that you can call it a generator, but that every generator is a conduit to the true source of power - but most do a very poor job of it (untuned))  all seem to go further than electron flow electricity.

he also references tesla when he speaks that there are different types of electricity than just electron flow.

and could everyone learn to write John Keely instead of Kelly :(
(Kelly wrotea book on alternative energy devices, and that book was published in the 1900s, where as John Keely, who worked with acoustic harmonics and resonance.. was from the 1800s).

there mere fact that these people are tuning into resonance, that they drop the true names (Keely, Moray, Hendershot, STUBBLEFIELD), is VERY IMPORTANT. these are the first videos ive ever encountered where they drop keely+stubblefield+moray into the mix.

there is an interview with that thrapp dude (amish beardie hat dude), on water fuel museum.
here:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/blog/2007/09/29/timothy (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/blog/2007/09/29/timothy)

please lets keep this conversation going, theres something here, something more than ever before.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on March 08, 2008, 02:21:39 PM
I am starting to feel VERY ashamed that I laughed this off at the beginning of the thread.

Sorry everyone.

If you ever read this thread Mr Thrapp please accept my apologies.

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on March 08, 2008, 07:20:24 PM
I find it amazing that all this is overlapping. 

EM: Your latest drawing shows a solid-state device.  Am I reading this correctly?   If so, what do you think about the permeability (u) of the iron materials.  In your proposed setup, are you thinking of using regular iron or ferrite for the toroid and rod?  If ferrite is this like H Material, 77 material, etc.?

On resonant heating of water, let me speculate that the standing waves generated in the water might be "scalar waves" (time polarized longitudinal waves) discussed by Bearden and others.  But I am not familiar with the process, so I have no idea!  Just remember how to tell the two kinds of waves apart... imagine the two kind of waves in a slinky.

(http://www.geo.arizona.edu/xtal/nats101/6_4.jpg)

But back to regular transverse EM . . . I do know this:   I saw videos on youtube showing how the voltage output of a small transformer skyrocketed depending on the input MP3 which was played into it's primary winding.   I believe this has to do with hitting the resonant frequency of the transformer.   

*EDIT:    lol so I find that video I was talking about on youtube, and in the first five seconds it references "I'm doing this for GK at overunity dot com."  Hahahhahahha

Resonant Frequency of Transformers using MP3s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSwQouGPcA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSwQouGPcA)




Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: tao on March 08, 2008, 08:17:30 PM
For those that didn't see or hear it yet, here is a 1 hour interview with Thomas Thrapp.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/2007/09/29/timothy

They go over everything: his upbringing, first thoughts for OU, history of Thrapp's attempts, specific devices and how they work, etc....

This interview makes it harder to just 'write this guy off' as a conman, seriously...
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Localjoe on March 08, 2008, 08:54:54 PM
Listen to his explainition of the nathan stubblefield earth battery.. he knows what hes talking about just forget he keeps saying the word dominat. makes it easier to deal with him.  Even backs up the tesla stubblefield connection about 22:30 into it!  We can use as many folks as want to come.  This is the phase of the earth battery were in final construction deitals and secondary testing as well a timing controller for the primary .. he decribes allowing the wires to be interposed by a timing device to create the ac power in the secondary. Describes how it was a hv hf power supply.. THE TELL TALE BLUE CORONA THAT WAS repoted so many times comming from nathans batteries can only be created in those circumstances.. Im sure hes not crazy, he does have weird money and releigous ties but he still had too many deitals right to be dis-info imho.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 08, 2008, 09:13:32 PM
FEH  thanks for that video its suddenly  like the dam has burst around here   amazing!!! Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 08, 2008, 10:55:37 PM
I noticed the google video is no longer available.    Suppression? or Incompetence?   :)
EM

was a ministry video longer than 10 minutes  ever online? ive onlys een the 3 yooutube videos. please could someone verify it was a witts one, and did anyone download it? quite important  wold be to get some info on this, please. i am getting ready to sit down and listen fully to the radio itnerivew.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 08, 2008, 11:34:43 PM
I would just like to make some basic comments about other devices and resonance at this time........
Two devices that I know that operate on the SAME principles as Thrapp's sphere water heater are:
1. The resonant water heater of Peter Davey from New Zealand
2. The steam resonator of Stan Meyer(deceased of course) from Ohio

It appears, after much research, that all THREE of the devices, Thrapp's,, Davey's, and Meyer's, they ALL use specific GEOMETRIC metallic elements that are in direct contact with water and specific electric inputs to said metallic structures to produce STANDING WAVES in the water itself which heat the water VERY QUICKLY and VERY EFFICIENTLY...Just listen to Thrapp in the video, he says that the probe that goes to the middle of the sphere is the NEGATIVE, and so the thing on the outside would be the positive and these would be imparted with the correct frequency (based on the size of the sphere!) via electricity and boom, hot water almost instantly... Resonance at its finest...

Before I go off on tangents and keep typing for ever, I want to give you guys some links to the Davey device and the Meyer device...

As you can see from the Davey link above, and specifically from that last quoted excerpt that I put above, its ALL ABOUT THE TUNING!!! (isn't that what SM kept saying? lol) Seriously, its about KNOWING how the designed system is supposed to best resonate and then fine tuning the electrical input, the frequencies, the physical design and orientation of the device, basically everything about the device. Once in resonance, look out!!!

(I had some wine at dinner, so excuse any grammatical or logical errors, lol, j/k)

hello.
peter davey and the WITTS one,  well, WITTS one is based on  researching JOHN KEELY.

he is the originator of talking about the negative center. keely was a musician, davey is a musician.
yes its all about tuning.   royal raymond rife : resonance tuning.
this is all going exactly where it has been going for a logn time  but now the trail is starting to pick up.
the connections to schauberger + keely + rife + tesla   are all becoming.

kanzius, davey. RF   resonance

rotoverter resonance tuning. - clipping resonance  recovery circuits
bedini motors  tune to resonance  -  sinewave clipping resonance recovery circuits.

keely used enormously huge spheres  and created immense pressures by sound resonance in cavity.
schauberger stuff is water spinning fast  in a cavity reaching resonance point.

but the best thing is we are now having discussions.  something has changed for the best.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1507-roto-verter.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1507-roto-verter.html) even this was possible


the more we understand about tesla and  electric resonance, going into music  and harmonics the faster all this is simply, over. 
the more we understand about keely and acoustic resonance., going into music, tuning, cavitation and harmonics, the faster all this is over.

etheric resonance.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 09, 2008, 12:48:26 AM
Listen to his explainition of the nathan stubblefield earth battery.. he knows what hes talking about just forget he keeps saying the word dominat. makes it easier to deal with him.  Even backs up the tesla stubblefield connection about 22:30 into it!  We can use as many folks as want to come.  This is the phase of the earth battery were in final construction deitals and secondary testing as well a timing controller for the primary .. he decribes allowing the wires to be interposed by a timing device to create the ac power in the secondary. Describes how it was a hv hf power supply.. THE TELL TALE BLUE CORONA THAT WAS repoted so many times comming from nathans batteries can only be created in those circumstances.. Im sure hes not crazy, he does have weird money and releigous ties but he still had too many deitals right to be dis-info imho.

the reason he speaks of dominant and neutral center is because they have spent very much time studying   john keely :)

keely quotes are rife with  "the neutral center" " point of vibration" "the dominant".
its a three-way system. heres what e.e. richards gave out recently:
http://scene.org/~esa/merlib/somekeelycharts.pdf (http://scene.org/~esa/merlib/somekeelycharts.pdf)

yes its complex  but it was also a musician doing it.
--
anyway, it is obvious that these poeple have done years, and years of proper research, in silence, and with a coheretn idea of what they want to accomplish. this i salute.

we all have weird money and religious connections, or nonconnections. i'll cut myself some slack, and i'll give hat-beardie some slack too, it'll be fine.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 09, 2008, 01:54:33 AM
thanks for the links tao,  good info.   This hot water stuff is actually quite useful to so many households, I might start experimenting with that next.
Feynmen,  I'm planing on taking apart a motor and using the steel laminations.  The permeability should be high and that is beneficial.

Ok, guys I'm breaking a fan motor tonight !!!  This should be exciting.  I'm back in motor research, and this time I'm not just hoping for a mere SELF RUNNER like the Mike HMM motor,  this time    900 watts is on the line !!!   :)

EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 09, 2008, 02:03:59 AM
EM  yah need any help bustin up that fan  this is like pins and needles  can't wait [but I will]    Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on March 09, 2008, 02:27:50 AM
hmmm or some one could just ph tim and chat for a couple hours and get the answers to make a 900w gen and this would all be over and done with once a build plan was drawn up and posted, then we could make them to run our homes/cars and for our friends....(yeah right...some ones gonna phone him and end ALL this OU crap eh?).
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on March 09, 2008, 03:06:15 AM
Like I said before, why not use money out of the prize fund so Stefan can call him.

We could have PLANS by the middle of next week.

Think about it?

$100 dollars balanced against everyone's trial and error costs, which could run into hundreds of $/? per person. (are we not trying to preserve the planets resources?)

After listening to the radio interview and watching the water heater video, which IMHO looks almost impossible to fake, this is the real deal. It might be the easiest way to accomplish what we are here for!

Then we can work on scaling it up.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 09, 2008, 03:15:40 AM
I think EM has plans already   definitely  for the fan motor   Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 09, 2008, 03:26:12 AM
and it seemed on the interview he had plans for sale from 30-50 bucs  I guess theres been a price Increase  it does seem like the shortest road    however EM is on this like he can taste it  as I see others also  Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: tao on March 09, 2008, 03:46:12 AM
hmmm or some one could just ph tim and chat for a couple hours and get the answers to make a 900w gen and this would all be over and done with once a build plan was drawn up and posted, then we could make them to run our homes/cars and for our friends....(yeah right...some ones gonna phone him and end ALL this OU crap eh?).

Like I said before, why not use money out of the prize fund so Stefan can call him.

We could have PLANS by the middle of next week.

Think about it?

$100 dollars balanced against everyone's trial and error costs, which could run into hundreds of $/? per person. (are we not trying to preserve the planets resources?)

After listening to the radio interview and watching the water heater video, which IMHO looks almost impossible to fake, this is the real deal. It might be the easiest way to accomplish what we are here for!

Then we can work on scaling it up.


With all due respect...

The same reason that you won't see a FE generator on the marketplace is the same reason that you aren't merely going to be able to call up Thrapp and get all the details for any of his devices, and the same reason they charge $100/hr to talk or millions for rights to any of their technologies that they have. Its about balancing out suppression by outside 'forces' and personal securty (life preservation).

I say, lets give this some time, do more research, and test...

But, by all means, if you want to try to just all up Thrapp and get the answers, please do. If you get the answers, then great, I just don't think it is going to be that easy...

Peace...
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: tao on March 09, 2008, 03:47:46 AM
and it seemed on the interview he had plans for sale from 30-50 bucs  I guess theres been a price Increase  it does seem like the shortest road    however EM is on this like he can taste it  as I see others also  Chet

Not plans, VIDEOS of devices, major difference.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on March 09, 2008, 04:09:10 AM
No pressure then EM!

I / we have every faith in you!

How can I help?

The $100 is for a donation to their ministry for a 1 hour chat on the phone. Judging by the falling value of the dollar it might end up being extremely cost effective !

How do you think the water heater works? I know it's resonance, but notice one thing, the temp is taken from the outside of the sphere so it's heating the metal as well as the water inside!
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 09, 2008, 04:14:20 AM
Hey guys,  here's my setup diagram.  The only thing I haven't worked out yet is the switching from grid power to feedback power.  I guess I'm thinking to plug the fan into the wall socket first and once I can get power output from the inverter, then I can do a quick swap, hopefully the inertia will keep it going :)  But first I need to see some serious power output.

How do you like my little improvisation with the transformer?   I think it will free us from using so many capacitors.

Keep you fingers crossed,  free energy is coming   :D   
If all else fails, then maybe we'll call Mr Thrapp and pay him like a doctor!!   :D 

EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on March 09, 2008, 04:15:05 AM
@ Tao

I would not know what questions to ask, but I have a feeling your good self or EM Devices might. 1 hour is a long time for firing the right questions at somebody.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: tao on March 09, 2008, 04:18:56 AM
No pressure then EM!

I / we have every faith in you!

How can I help?

The $100 is for a donation to their ministry for a 1 hour chat on the phone. Judging by the falling value of the dollar it might end up being extremely cost effective !

LOL, you have that right, about the dollar... Well, they are making way for the AMERO (if you don't know, google it ;) )

How do you think the water heater works? I know it's resonance, but notice one thing, the temp is taken from the outside of the sphere so it's heating the metal as well as the water inside!

In that 1 hour interview with Thrapp, you can piece together kind of how they operate the sphere water heater by listening to Thrapp describe how Stubblefield's dual-parabolic-mirror-heater device worked. Listen carefully to that part of the audio interview again, very interesting. Thrapp says something like, if you take to the two parabolic pieces and instead make two hemispheres out of SS and put them together.....etc etc...Its in the audio interview.

I am not willing to offer any concrete theories of operation on the heater or other things yet, I need some more days of research...
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on March 09, 2008, 04:25:25 AM
We seem to be jumping over each others posts with excitement! :D

@EM Devices

Could you not use an electrolyser as your cap bank ?

Then with your added transformer it starts to look like Stan Meyers set up !!!

Its all coming together no?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on March 09, 2008, 04:39:30 AM
@ Tao

I am well aware of the Amero, its good (maybe not the right word) to see that somebody else knows about this. Everyone I talk to about it thinks I'm mental!!  >:(    "They will never get rid of their precious dollar" is quite a popular phrase I keep hearing. Particularly from Canadians!

@ EM

What about the "blue boxes". Circuit controllers? Frequency regulators? Mr Thrapp doesn't talk about these, apart from mentioning there are two of them.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: innovation_station on March 09, 2008, 04:47:27 AM
the blue boxes hummmm

kind of reminds me of a phreaking term from back in the day lol

is it not a tone generator to hack the fone system .....


been a wile ...

ist
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 09, 2008, 04:49:42 AM
Quote

$100 dollars balanced against everyone's trial and error costs, which could run into hundreds of $/? per person. (are we not trying to preserve the planets resources?)

After listening to the radio interview and watching the water heater video, which IMHO looks almost impossible to fake, this is the real deal. It might be the easiest way to accomplish what we are here for!

Then we can work on scaling it up.


Anyone  here  like  the idea of creating a win win situation ?

I  am  currently  unempliyed ......and  not well to do by any means  .

I am  willing to  pay $50  to find  out  more about  this motor and  similar  technology.

Is anyone else  willing to put some money where there couriosity   is ?

I am suggesting that  if people are interested   we pool  our money  and  have 2 or  3 knowledgeable   and experienced  expermenters  from this site   interview Thrapp using  webcams   .......then  make a video of it

If  we could  raise  $500 or more between us I think  that  something that is good for everyone  could be worked  out. 

To  be win  win  everything would have to be  agreed to up front.
Thrapp and his  organization  would have to be aware  that  we intend to make  the information public .
Even the  topics  to be talked about should be agreed on by all .

We would  get  a big  jump  in  our understanding   of  how his  technology  works .
We would  get a chance to get  specific questions  answered .......maybe some  diagrams  or plans

Besides  making  some money  I think  we could help  Thrapp and  his group  with credability   and with  introducing  people to  his work .
Also  I can't  help but think that  if he  helps us make some big leaps ......  that those that can afford it  would  start thinking of that  $100 minimum as a consulting fee .  How  often  in the past have  you  had a problem that you  would happily  pay  $100  to  find a quick answer for ?   Of course right now .......no  one is all that sure  what answers he  has.


anyone  else  have any thoughts about this ?


gary


Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on March 09, 2008, 05:05:49 AM
@ IS

 ;)  ;) 2600  ;)  ;)

@ One

I think Mr Tao is right, lets take a few days to do our own testing and research then we can see what happens and take it from there. I like your thinking though.

@ Tao

forgot to mention about the water heater / Stubblefields parabolic mirrors idea does sound very connected. I haven't got time now to re-listen to the interview.

@ Bourne

You should have been in bed hours ago !!  :D

@ everyone

Night! Talk amongst yourselves, I will be back tomorrow.

Question - Why doesn't the preview post button work any more??  Fetching preview..... No your not !  :)

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 09, 2008, 05:53:45 AM
Well no doubt the ball is in motion  funds can come together  the experts are here an infrastructure will need to be established  Im just glad to be alive during this time in history in the midst of so many great people    Chet  PS remember sunday is Mr Thrapp's  sabath
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on March 09, 2008, 09:23:21 AM
EM:   Your setup looks excellent.

I think the Thrapp device is working via resonance to ping the local active vacuum. The capacitors are acting as the sinks which receive the negative energy from local spacetime and convert it back to regular positive EM energy we can use. The negative energy recharges the capacitors for part of the cycle . . .  But I have not yet worked out a good understanding of how the negative energy operates in an AC circuit. . .   The general analogy is that negative energy CONVERGES into a conductor and flows via Dirac sea-holes, while positive energy DIVERGES (tries to get out of the circuit) and flows via electrons.

The other important thing might be that to negative energy, a capacitor looks like an inductor, and an inductor looks like a capacitor.  Negative energy enters the circuit through any impedence.  Everything is reversed to negative energy. You can think of it as Dirac electron-holes that move. Also it is net cooling rather than heating, etc.

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on March 09, 2008, 07:26:33 PM
@EMDevices


1.1.8 Radiant Energy Can Consist of Positive or Negative Energy or Both

In nonlinear situations such as pulsing and sharp gradients, the Dirac Sea must be specially considered since it is essentially the nascent vacuum prior to alteration, and it is appreciably altered by strong gradients. Sharply changing the local energy density (and spacetime curvature) of the local vacuum can and will lift Dirac particles (particularly normal 'positive energy' electrons) from the Sea, leaving behind the temporary presence and temporary persistence of unfilled Dirac Sea holes (negative energy electrons, in Dirac's theory). During the sharp gradient of the pulse, The Dirac Sea vacuum is made asymmetrical and dipolar, by separating holes from their normal occupying electrons. The asymmetrical vacuum becomes a source of excess negative energy EM fields and potentials.

As negative energy source charges, the temporarily persisting holes pour out negative EM energy transduced from their vacuum interaction, therby forming negative energy EM fields and potentials spreading at light speed. Since these negative energy force-free fields can and do also exist in space and can and do interact with elements of the physical EM system and circuitry, then the term "radiant energy" may include both positive and negative energy, including negative energy EM fields and negative energy EM potentials.

Radiant energy interaction and effects upon the physical system are thus far more complex than are specified in the EPE model. Additional physical phenomenology absent from the EPE model is present in radiant energy interactions. One strikingly unusual phenomenon commonly encountered in radiant energy engineering is the natural amplifying effect of impedances in the circuit, when negative energy from the environment impinges upon the impedances.

Free Energy Generation, Thomas Bearden and John Bedini, p. 68-69
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 09, 2008, 08:31:29 PM
bourne,   electrolitics most likely will not work.  They do have the high capacitance and it's tempting to use them, but we need AC capacitors instead.  Electrolitics tend to blow up if you reverse the polarity, and I had two caps blow up in my face previously, and it's not fun at all, so I don't gamble any longer.  It's better to be save. 

You mention blue boxes, I think those are the switches and the inverter is the bigger box.  He made his own inverter if you listen carefully to what he says in the video.

Feynmen, thanks for the theoretical ideas.  Let's suck some energy from that Dirac sea  :)

EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on March 09, 2008, 09:08:19 PM
Okay, another thing I am reading is that 'floating ground' conditions are usually required for negative energy to enter the circuit.    That is, since negative energy is force-free energy (provided by asymmetrical re-gauging of QED), it occurs prior to interaction with mass.  By grounding , we make it interact with mass, which just gives us ordinary old positrons (I think).

...I think that's probably why some of the strange TPU effects only occur in 'floating ground' conditions.  Something maybe to keep in mind while you experiment with this fan motor.  Let me paste another quote...

=====

Obviously, something that is done in ordinary circuits ubiquitously negates this innate unlimited energy collection ability permitted by nature. That "something" is the use of the closed current loop circuit. Closing the loop is symmetric re-gauging. Symmetric re-gauging is what continually destroys the dipolar source of the potential energy. The radiant energy engineering principle is that the primary dipolar physical source of potential energy flow should not be connected into the common ground of the receiving and load circuit when appreciable current is flowing in the "powering" mode.  Instead, the potential energy should be trasferred from the source to the receiving circuit seperately, in energy transfer (asymmetric re-gauging) mode only.

Then the external dipolar source should be physically disconnected, at least from the common system ground, and the receiving circuit simultaneously revised to connect the load, free the now-potentialized electrons, and allow the current to flow. In that way, free potential energy collected by the "statically" receiving circuit via gauge freedom is then dissipated by the separated "dynamic" circuit to power the loads and losses. None of the collected energy is dissipated to destroy the primary source dipolarity.

Further, ideally the input energy should be in negative energy form, so that every element of the circuit having impedance acts as an amplifying "negative impedance" or "E-amp" to cause much more negative energy influx from the local active environment.

Then the negative energy should be transduced by the receiving circuitry so that normal powering for loads can then be accomplished, with a little switching.

Free Energy Generation, Bearden and Bedini, p. 67.


Good luck EM! 
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Localjoe on March 09, 2008, 09:21:03 PM
the blue boxes hummmm

kind of reminds me of a phreaking term from back in the day lol

is it not a tone generator to hack the fone system .....


been a wile ...

ist

The anarchists cookbook was a wonderful thing when i got it in 94 ... prolly started me on my hack a day mentality's  ;D  what beats taking a radio shack greeting card and recording noises off of a win 95 box to play in the pay Phone after school ... If only our world were still that simple ehh man  :)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 09, 2008, 09:48:35 PM
id b ready to buy a DVD of one of their devices, i just kinda need a list to choose from, and its also like, need to know they're longer than 10min. (i.e. that if i buy a dvd of one device on youtube, its not the youtube video only)
and that they support paypal obviously   ;)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on March 09, 2008, 10:33:57 PM
Hi EM

I didn't mean electrolytic caps (maybe my spelling confused you) I meant using a water fuel cell (Stan Meyers style) as the capacitor. Just thinking out loud. After seeing your diagram with the transformer in-line with the caps reminded me of Stans WFC patent.

Reverse polarity electrolytic caps are only dangerous if you get parts of your body in the way!
One thing I used to do about 15 years ago at a place I worked was de-solder the small caps, turn them round, power up and BANG  try and get the aluminium cans to stick in the low fibre-board ceiling !!  ;D Great fun !! Note - make sure the boss is not looking !!

I thought the inverter circuit was the yellow box, or is that a blue box with a yellow lid? difficult to tell from the youtube video

@ Feynman Its a great book isn't it!

@ everyone

Just a bit of entertainment.

 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2JYRl96nROA 

I have to work with this guy  ;D ;D Some days not much work gets done!! If this doesn't make you laugh, see a doctor!

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 09, 2008, 11:28:14 PM
Funny  VID    even though we are at work now   Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 10, 2008, 10:25:48 PM
EM  Hows things?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 11, 2008, 02:10:36 AM
patience my friend   :)

EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 12, 2008, 12:15:26 AM
Have you all seen these 2 additional videos they have now online ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkBNzXPy_p4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06iCfowinUM

Pretty amazing.
Please download and store locally at your harddrive to
have it permanently saved, before these videos are pulled again..

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on March 12, 2008, 12:22:51 AM
That thing on the left in the first video looks like a toroid.


You can use http://keepvid.com  to download the youtube flvs.  Or if you are on linux, you can use youtube-dl if you get the latest version, it's a python script.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 12, 2008, 12:26:27 AM
and that thing on the second  looks like a  keely  sympathetic vibratory sphere, a peter davey water boiler

but what it realy looks like is keely SVPhysics waking up and being used
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2008, 12:52:03 AM
Thankyou Stephan I had not seen  the water heater  Seems amazing   Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2008, 12:57:57 AM
FEYNMAN thanx for that info  and I agree  its a wonderful time in History to be alive [read in another post] Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: TheOne on March 12, 2008, 01:04:48 AM
Have you all seen these 2 additional videos they have now online ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkBNzXPy_p4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06iCfowinUM

Pretty amazing.
Please download and store locally at your harddrive to
have it permanently saved, before these videos are pulled again..

Regards, Stefan.

The first video looks like a Newman Motor, but the coil seam to be more complex then the Newman motor we know, we even heard the spark on the communicator
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 12, 2008, 01:05:08 AM
I'm sorry but something is not right here.  I want an advancement as much as anyone here but, think people.  I heard this guy on the radio show, and I still think something is not right. (my opinion)  I hope that I am wrong.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2008, 01:13:55 AM
Pirate Im hoping your hunch is wrong  he uses to many of the right words and names   the average joe would not know and he did not come knocking my 2 cents   Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 12, 2008, 01:20:53 AM
Have you all seen these 2 additional videos they have now online ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkBNzXPy_p4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06iCfowinUM

Pretty amazing.
Please download and store locally at your harddrive to
have it permanently saved, before these videos are pulled again..

Regards, Stefan.

The first video looks like a Newman Motor, but the coil seam to be more complex then the Newman motor we know, we even heard the spark on the communicator


That is right,
finally a selfrunning Newman type motor.

Surely he told us they are using 5 coils in it specially
wired up.
But it is amazing to see it run without any batteries just on capacitors.

I hope Joe Newman will comment to this one.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on March 12, 2008, 01:42:07 AM
I am 99.9% sure this guy is for real.   I agree he doesn't have all the answers, but no man does.
 
The healing technology he discussed on the radio program is backed by the physics of time-polarized longitudinal EM waves. Bearden has written extensively on this technology, which exploits resonance to induce cellular de-differentiation, and heal a multitude of diseases, including the regrowth of limbs. This is possible because of the holographic nature of information in life forms; that is, how to regrow a limb is not stored within the limb or any single place within the body.  It is distributed among all cells of the organism. Priore had very much success with this technology in non-human mammals during the 1970s in France, until his funding was pulled shortly before human trials.  At the time, Priore did not understand how it worked, but nonetheless the results were real.

So don't write this guy off just because you think a dog can't re-grow a limb.  This is not only possible, but has been done before.

Priore's machine
(http://cheniere.org/images/dossier%20priore/7.jpg)


see: http://cheniere.org/priore/index.html

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2008, 01:57:12 AM
Yes the silencing of Priore has been a HUGE loss to humanity  But who knows
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 12, 2008, 02:00:05 AM
@ Chet:

Agreed.  Like yours, it was my opinion.  And, I do hope I am wrong.  But, investigation is my business and I rely on my instincts, such as they are, to do my job.  I am not always right, no one is.  Let me put it another way:

Ok, you understand Stubblefield, Keely, etc. and have solved the missing links.  So, what do you do?  Say the right words and give enough away to get people to call you for $100/hour for questions?  I would not, possibly neither would you.  I either KNOW the answers and want to share them, or I get a patent and attorneys and go the other route.  This approach is kind of in the middle of the above two choices.  That last video with the water heater is very suspect to me.  Do I believe in resonance?  Of course.  Do I believe that figuring out the frequencies for a project like this might result in incredible results like this?  Yes, I do.  So, why am I not willing to buy the video?  I don't really know....I just don't.  I'll shut up now until more evidence is presented to us.

I agree with whoever said that Stefan, who is very educated on all things OU, should call on our behalf.  I would even contribute to the initial $100.00 as I am sure most would.  I believe he could tell within the first ten minutes if this is a scam for money, or something more.  100 of us would have to give a dollar.  I'm in.  I trust Stefan's opinion and, like I said, he should be able to tell a lot more than we can speculate here without having spoken to them.  What do you say?
Anyone else agree?

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 12, 2008, 02:03:40 AM
I'm sorry but something is not right here.  I want an advancement as much as anyone here but, think people.  I heard this guy on the radio show, and I still think something is not right. (my opinion)  I hope that I am wrong.

see, youre not actually saying whats not right. do you know whats not right, or can you be sure that the context you receive it in (some dude! beard!hat!amish!ministry!oo-er help us with these religious  etc-etc-etc-etc) isnt affecting you?

these people are far too close to the point, that keely device is proof of point, stubblefield-moray-keely mentions  are NOT prevalent in this scene. the only thing more to be added is schappeller, leedskalnin and WALTER RUSSELL.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 12, 2008, 02:11:51 AM
@ esaruoho:

I have been studying Stubblefield for a while now (see my results on the earth battery experiments) and his information on Stubblefield was good, but not totally accurate which makes me wonder what else he is not accurate about.  Ok, that and the beard. (just kidding)  Actually, the $100/hour deal tips me off more than any other single thing, although there are a lot of single things as well.  Read my earlier post (we posted at the same time no doubt) and see if you agree with a way to find out.  I want the same things we all are here for.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2008, 02:21:24 AM
Bill I agree with getting some Qualified  persons to talk on the phone with Mr Thrapp   that might already be happening here from some other posts Ive read    Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 12, 2008, 02:43:21 AM
@ esaruoho:
I have been studying Stubblefield for a while now (see my results on the earth battery experiments) and his information on Stubblefield was good, but not totally accurate which makes me wonder what else he is not accurate about.  Ok, that and the beard. (just kidding)  Actually, the $100/hour deal tips me off more than any other single thing, although there are a lot of single things as well.  Read my earlier post (we posted at the same time no doubt) and see if you agree with a way to find out.  I want the same things we all are here for.

:) itd be lovely if you pointed out where the guys stubblefield-thinking differs with yours, cos then could see what he has understood different due to his-their studies into moray+keely.. its possible that its either a jargon term, a deeper understanding, or a lesser one.
if its pointed out, by you, f.ex, stefan could just ask him what led him to this alternate route.
we need to really pick apart what he is talking about and ask for the origins and other stuff. its more complex than going "feels wrong". im yet to listen to the radio interview and im looking forward to it, when i can concentrate :o
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 12, 2008, 03:07:20 AM
If Mr. Thrapp would agree to an interview
with me and being paid 100 US$ for one hour of an interview
and I could record this and post it over here as an MP3 file I would
be willing to spend from my own money the 100 US$ for an interview.

The problem in this moment is, that I don?t have a good recording solution
for my ISDN phone.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 12, 2008, 03:14:03 AM
Stefan:

As you may know, I am a licensed private investigator and maybe I can help you with the phone recording.  PM me and tell me a little bit more about your isdn phone. (I am not familiar with this technology) There may be an easy solution.  I have rigged up recording devices for landlines, cell phones, etc. (Legally)  Also, I am serious that myself, and I know many others, would contribute to this cause.  This interview might shed some light on what is, or is not, a viable source of information.  This is great news.  I hope to hear from you.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2008, 03:18:07 AM
Stephan could you set up a paypal acc't so we could donate to it in case 1 hr. doesn't do it      Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on March 12, 2008, 03:24:07 AM
@ram

I will also donate if necessary.


@pirate

An ISDN line is  a digital phone line.   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISDN

Germany

In Germany, ISDN is very popular with an installed base of 25 million channels (29% of all subscriber lines in Germany as of 2003 and 20% of all ISDN channels worldwide). Due to the success of ISDN, the number of installed analog lines is decreasing. Deutsche Telekom (DTAG) offers both BRI and PRI. Competing phone companies often offer ISDN only and no analog lines. Because of the widespread availability of ADSL services, ISDN is today primarily used for voice and fax traffic, but is still very popular thanks to the pricing policy of German telecommunication providers. Today ISDN (BRI) and ADSL/VDSL are often bundled on the same line., mainly because the combination of ADSL with an analog line has no cost advantage over a combined ISDN-ADSL line.

The easiest way to do a recording is probably to just set the phone on speaker phone and then use your usual equipment pirate, since the line is digital.


 I will definitely donate to this cause, although it's probably best to have a list of specific questions.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 12, 2008, 03:44:06 AM
Okay, maybe I can use
www.phoner.de
for recording via a SIP-Software.
I have to try this out first.

Otherwise you are right, I could just try to use
a WAV recording program to use just a microphone to
set my ISDN phone on external speaker mode and just put the microphone
ontop of it and record this to a WAV file and convert later to MP3.

The question is now,
does anyone have the phone number of Mr. Trapp and would he aggree to
answer questions for 100 US$ and really tell us all the secrets and
could I post the recording then over here ?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2008, 03:51:19 AM
From what I understand the process starts with a donation just to avoid wasting his time  then to quote EM you pay him like a doctor Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on March 12, 2008, 03:54:48 AM
how about just cutting to the chase and asking him for his plans to the solidstate gen, from what i hear in the vids they use it to power there homes AND there cars, isint that what we basicly need ?. :-*
.. i mean sure we can go interview any one about energy,but dont we actualy want to get to the end of this and have a working product to share with our friends and familys ?.

...it seems to me like like when some one says they have something working it works out two ways, 1, they want money and wont hand over any details, or 2, they sort of tell you %95 of how it works and keep the other %5 a secret and watch you struggle for the next 10 year or more, i guess its entertainment for them >?, im kinda sick of the BS personally, its obvious that there are things out there that are working,we even have people here in our own forum who seem to think they have the answers but then they turn around and want money or keep it a secret and get some kind of god complex and fade away, just for once id like the see the BS fade away and the real plans and facts come out.
..wouldnt you ?. ::)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on March 12, 2008, 03:58:11 AM
oil now $107 a barrel and going up and up, in our country just 1 liter of fuel is almost $2, by mid year it will be over $2.
not to mention the cost of power here is the biggest F*beep*ing ripp off ive ever seen in my life.

its sooooooo past that time where we need to be free of this exploytation.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2008, 04:01:36 AM
Stephan his email    wits2014@yahoo.com      Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 12, 2008, 04:09:28 AM
Stephan,

When interviewing him, be sure to ask about his tractor that runs on water.  HHO.  Bob Boyce knows this individual, and I believe has seen his tech in person.  He is an Amish gentleman, who has given his life on these devices.  I am surprised those video's have surfaced, as he himself has.  He must be fundraising for his projects to be expanded.

This is what I know of him, I hope that it helps.  He is said to be honest.

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 12, 2008, 04:15:38 AM
Stephan his email    wits2014@yahoo.com      Chet

Okay, I emailed him the question if he is willing to give me an interview for 100 US$.

Okay, now bedtime for me for this night.
Will let you all know, if he will reply.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 12, 2008, 04:17:46 AM
Okay, maybe I can use
www.phoner.de
for recording via a SIP-Software.
I have to try this out first.

Otherwise you are right, I could just try to use
a WAV recording program to use just a microphone to
set my ISDN phone on external speaker mode and just put the microphone
ontop of it and record this to a WAV file and convert later to MP3.

The question is now,
does anyone have the phone number of Mr. Trapp and would he aggree to
answer questions for 100 US$ and really tell us all the secrets and
could I post the recording then over here ?


The  delay line motor and  the  water heater  videos  both had the same   email  in the  first  min  or so 
wits2014@yahoo.com     
I would  email them , maybe  direct them to this  thread and see where it goes from there.

I originally  suggested $500 because then  we come across as serious 

I think  a webcam interview would be much better in the long run .

The  Delay line  motor  video  had what  to me is a  red flag ,  The  guy asking the  questions   asked something like how does it work ....... The  answer involved  thunderstorms  .........totally  unhelpful

The  question that  I think Mr Trapp  needs to be asked  right now is .........Do  you understand that this kind of technology NEEDS to get  out to the public  SOON.

If he  is only interested in  squeezing  as much money  out of his knowlwdge  we should  probably drop the whole idea.

gary
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2008, 04:28:31 AM
Gary I don't know if you heard his interview  posted in this thread   if not you should he says alot of what you just said it needs to go out to the public  Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 12, 2008, 04:40:46 AM
Gary I don't know if you heard his interview  posted in this thread   if not you should he says alot of what you just said it needs to go out to the public  Chet

Ramset     

I must have missed that .......I will  look for it 

thanks   

gary   
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on March 12, 2008, 04:40:57 AM
Yes, we seriously need to get something GPLd, with oil $109 and climbing and the world financial system deliberately about to collapse.  The whole "work by yourself until you discover the secret"  technique is proven to fail; the only way we will succeed is if we openly share information and try to get something publicly distributed.


As for the thunderstorm analogy, it's pretty clear this guy is one of the brilliant inventor types, and probably has his own internal understanding of the theory.   That's okay, maybe he is right, but as someone said, what we need is details of device contruction so we can apply existing theories and methodology to experiment and understand what is going on, to make sustained device replictions, spread technology far and wide, etc.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2008, 05:22:07 AM
Fey I don't know if your in the states but maybe  a good idea to set up a USA zipcode  database so we can get better organized  Reguardless of the outcome here we would be better able to help each other in builds Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on March 12, 2008, 05:28:53 AM
I operate out of a UFO

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2360/feynmanqc8.jpg)

just kidding i live in the states
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2008, 05:38:51 AM
If something comes of this  which I would be very surprised if it didn't  some sort of infrastructure will need to be established to assist in the rapid advance of these techs.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on March 12, 2008, 11:07:19 AM
Hi everyone

if you check out Sterling D Allan's peswiki page
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:World_Improvement_Through_The_Spirit_Ministries

there is lots of info that hasn't been included in this thread, including;

Quote
(tentative) On March 31, 2008, from 2:00 - 2:55 pm Central time, Sterling D. Allan will conduct a live interview with Timothy Thrapp as part of the Free Energy Now (http://freeenergynow.net) radio series.

and the very bottom of the page

Quote
The world needs these solutions -- opportunities to help -- email us to find out more!

So.... Stefan it might be worth speaking to Sterling first so you don't both ask the same questions and waste alot of time covering the same ground, so to speak.

Also EM DEVICES has gone very quiet, I can only presume he has a few ideas that he is trying out. If I remember rightly his last post was

Quote
patience my friend  :)
Like my Grandma says "no news is good news!" That in itself is promising after seeing EM's diagram on page 6.

Finally we need to establish a list of what is going to be asked and on what subject. Do we want an hours worth of questions on just the generator or do we want to split the hour up to cover the details of what is shown in all 3 of the videos.

Any thoughts?

One other thing, because Amish folks do not use modern technology Mr Thrapp might not be aware that there is a large community like us trying to solve the problems that he has, seemingly, solved.


Remember, Collective Positive Intention is very real and un-defeatable. We all know how we want this to transpire.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 12, 2008, 01:17:00 PM
I know for many $100 donation for an hour seems too much, please note that we are coming to a time where money itself will be worth nothing.
The days when people had the illusion of becoming mega-rich by inventing an OU device is truly over. Can you own all or even any of the water
which God gave to us all for free? This is the case with free-energy.

I will be willing to pay him 1000 an hour if he provides unambiguous, true information on how build an OU generator.

AM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2008, 04:19:52 PM
Bourne VERY good point about the Amish and the theme of Stephans site  no strings attached release to the people        you mentioned a third vid I only saw the Neuman Mtr - Gen  and the Davey  water HTR  Also the proccess  seems to be slow without starting with a donation first  as someone in the very begining of this thread stated                     Also I will be traveling to Amish Country this weekend  my In laws have an Amish friend  I will look him up  Thanks    Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2008, 04:31:16 PM
Stephan this is their treasurer they use pay pal    treasurer John Miller,     Wits2011@ yahoo.com  Chet  Thanx again BOURNE
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Bulbz on March 12, 2008, 06:04:40 PM
Erm !... I thought the Amish led simple lives without electricity and motorised and/or electronic technolgy, there seems to be reference to all three in that video.

Not only that, but c'mon... Who has 500,000,000 to throw away on a concept that could be useless. Sorry, but I think I lost my wallet on my last visit to the planet Saturn  :P.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2008, 06:25:31 PM
 BULBZ  500.000.000 ? we are talking about a few hundred  or one hundred  Heck I LL throw A Hundred  bucs under that stone {no stone unturned]        CHET  PS  Stephan should be able or others to tell pretty quick whats up
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on March 12, 2008, 06:38:03 PM
*Okay, I stand corrected... according to PesWiki, Thrapp is Amish.

My message to skeptics: No one is asking you to put down your own money.  I myself agree:  for a candid, full-disclosure conversation in order to bring these inventions to the world under GPL, a hundred dollars is cheap.  Where do you think this guy is getting money to pay for the laser thermometer, the pass-through ampmeters, etc etc. That stuff costs money.

Let's hope we can communicate with him and show him we are sincere and interested in spreading the technology to the world for free.

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2008, 07:45:25 PM
Any one Friendly here with Bob Boyce   Maybe drop him a line for a little more info  on Mr Thrapp  someone posted above  Bob was impressed with and may know Mr Thrapp {seen first hand some of his work}    Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 12, 2008, 09:03:35 PM
I have not yet received any reply from Mr. Thrapp to my email.

But I uploaded his 3 videos to my Youtube account,
so they will not get lost, if someboy would delete his account.

Now they are also over here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/overunitydotcom

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: oouthere on March 12, 2008, 09:32:10 PM
If this seems legitimate, I'll throw in a dollar or two as well to help the cause.

Rich
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 12, 2008, 09:42:59 PM
i truly hope that the two STE's will NOT go in with a "ministry? pshaw! get a grip you!" and "yeah whatever" attitude. nothing whatsoever can be gained with that.


i would be interested in finding out how they constructed the heater-sphere and how they measured and mofiied the 9V battery to create a frequency  inside the cavity  that produces immense heat.  i.e, what is the idea behind the modulation of the battery's voltage, does it go to a signal generator, or someting else, and how have they reflected it back inside the sphere. keely made thousands of machines  , i'd like to know how manyeth device the overunity heater was from their side of development.

also, do they charge the starter-batteries or just buy a new one, and what else have they created (stubblefield earth batteries?)

also would they post  a list of the dvds they have for sale, prices and lengts, because i'd like to buy some.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on March 12, 2008, 09:58:29 PM
Okay, first of all, the idea that he is "Amish" seems to me to be only be an assumption.Where do we have confirmation of this?  None that I can see.

From Sterling's Peswiki page;

Quote
Director: Timothy Thrapp

Timothy Thrapp is Amish, a religious group that does do not believe in participating in anything modern -- tractors are forbidden; they stay with horses. So he's far outside the box both scientifically and religiously -- and business-wise as well.

It's not proof per-se but I presume Sterling would not make it up. Besides, according the the peswiki page he has had contact with people who have met/spoken with Mr Thrapp.

@ Stefan & Everyone

There seems to be an ever increasing body of people willing to 'throw in a couple of $/?' to make contact with Mr Thrapp. Firstly, In my brief time on this forum, no where have I read, in any other thread, people are willing to part with hard earned cash for info, all be it small amounts. This seems to be an unprecedented action. Is it a sign of the times and a reflection of peoples opinion to his legitimacy?
Secondly, we can't exactly pass round a collection plate for said $/?, how would we go about this?

What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on March 12, 2008, 10:01:52 PM
Okay, thanks bourne. That's the sort of info I was looking for.  Let's hope he replies to Stephan.

To me it depends on the quality of information.  If the person is willing to answer specific and detailed questions regarding construction and replication, the time is most certainly worth it.  If the answers are vague and indirect, then you will probably know pretty quickly.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 12, 2008, 10:07:29 PM
no matter WHAT is said, we need a recording of it. tone of voice  and  mutual modulation happening between two people having a conversation  will be a real eyeopener.
a recording. please.

not a quick blanket report.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Localjoe on March 12, 2008, 11:01:13 PM
@Stefan

If you have a chance when you speak with him if you could squeeze in a question about the timing device for the primary coil in the  Stubblefield earth battery, specifically" the construction of the relay he describes in his radio interview with the water cell guy".  And if they have a dvd on just the earth battery from nathan stubblefield. Thanks
                                                                                                                           joe
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on March 13, 2008, 03:03:57 AM
 im still amazed that * lets interview * him is still being pondered...how about cutting to the case and getting plans to the solid state gen ?, i mean sure you can talk till the cows come home, then what ?

.. id like to see a list of things he has THAT WORKS, and then yeah IF they work lets pay him for the plans and get to testing ,refining and working out a dead simple no fail way that some one can make and use it, it does seem kinda creepy how he dedicated his life to working on this stuff to what? save the world?, help others?, but then he will only talk about it for $100 and hour ? or you can get a video of it for $30 to $50 ?... how does that actually help any one except for him-self?... ::)( just seems odd).

 (yes of course im expecting to be flamed, go right ahead, for me im not one to beat around the bush and i never have been id rather see the cold hard facts and go from there).
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 13, 2008, 03:48:17 AM
BORG I don't think anybody wants to flame yah       Not  yet  not much flaming going on in this thread                          the SUSPENCE   but patience is a virtue     and I did pay 4.25 a gallon for diesel today speaking of flaming     
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on March 13, 2008, 04:04:22 AM
yikes! /faint , i gave my car up a year ago , i just cant get my head around paying for fuel when its basicly thieft !

ive been hoping to find some answers here in OU.com to make and electric car. ive seen some really GOOD stuff here too but for some reason when something looks really good and about %95 of it is in the open and ready to go people seem to run away and bury there head in the sand and its all forgottin about. ???
like the rotover for EG. it looks really good and as soon as it starts to look like its making some progress it seems to turn into thin air.

, i cant help but thik from all the ideas and stuff here on OU.com that there must be some simple thing that works some where!, well id like to think so any way.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: oouthere on March 13, 2008, 04:29:12 AM
To comment on the rotoverter...yes it appears to be o/u but the power cannot be extracted.  My unit was at best about 1,100 watts in and 3,600 watts out.  But, if you tried to run light bulbs with it, it consumed the 1,100 watts plus the additional load as well.  That's why it disappeared, everyone came to realize this or else everyone of us that tried would be running our house on these units.

Rich
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 13, 2008, 04:29:50 AM
Borg my personal feeling  is  this sight is just chock full of great people working every day experimenting beyond the dogma of existing science   the atmosphere here is RIPE     harvest cannot be far off   Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on March 13, 2008, 04:37:53 AM
To comment on the rotoverter...yes it appears to be o/u but the power cannot be extracted.  My unit was at best about 1,100 watts in and 3,600 watts out.  But, if you tried to run light bulbs with it, it consumed the 1,100 watts plus the additional load as well.  That's why it disappeared, everyone came to realize this or else everyone of us that tried would be running our house on these units.

Rich

thnx for the feedback,what a bummer, it looked so good!.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 13, 2008, 07:02:00 AM
ive seen some really GOOD stuff here too but for some reason when something looks really good and about %95 of it is in the open and ready to go people seem to run away and bury there head in the sand and its all forgottin about. ???like the rotoverter for EG. it looks really good and as soon as it starts to look like its making some progress it seems to turn into thin air., i cant help but thik from all the ideas and stuff here on OU.com that there must be some simple thing that works some where!, well id like to think so any way.

heya.. i think you might find the recent discussions on energeticforums, with peter lindemann weighing in (on page 2, 3 & 4) on the  resonance recovery, or reactive power recovery systems,  interesting.
it is truly the best conversation thread that i've ever seen, you'll see. check it.
sorry, just had to add.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1507-roto-verter.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1507-roto-verter.html)

btw, i*ve been archiving free energy documentaries, and if you want any new ones, it really is getting to having to buy about i dont know, 30$ worth of a dvd  to have a new one (check energy from the vacuum series for one). there is not an abundance of dvds available on these things, and when people do take the time to produce them, they have to charge for the postage, burning costs/printing costs and the filming as usual. and theres not that much interest.
aagain i refer to this: if ever there is a list of things that are for sale from thrapp, on dvd, i'm game to get as many of them as i can, because this is simply too interesting to walk away from.
ideally, anything that leads one to the direction of further produced videos on things related to moray and stubblefield and keely would be unbelievably interesting. if ste/ste do end up intreviewing  thrapp, but it seems that theres an attitude problem or something, or that thrapp doesnt receive something during the first few moments of the interview  to convince him that ste/ste mean business, then i'll just get questions together from a few of my friends directly and record the conversation after arranging it.
these are, after all, personalities  that we are dealing with, it could be that theres a polarizing effect  from the moment  ste/ste say anything and thrapp responds - its possible that he is searching for someone whom he can vibe with, and can detect if someone's just trying to suss out if he's a fraud or not.
anyway, the 31st interview is soon (what, 7+11 days), and i know that sterling is, if a bit skeptical,at least a decent intreviewer. i just hope the audio emerges because then  can do a re-run  later, if something obviously "went wrong".


is it really true that nobody archived the googlevideo video when it was first posted??
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 13, 2008, 07:26:33 AM
To comment on the rotoverter...yes it appears to be o/u but the power cannot be extracted.  My unit was at best about 1,100 watts in and 3,600 watts out.  But, if you tried to run light bulbs with it, it consumed the 1,100 watts plus the additional load as well.  That's why it disappeared, everyone came to realize this or else everyone of us that tried would be running our house on these units.
Rich

thread, bear wtih me, i have to set this straight. i'm going to afterthis listen to the thrapp interview and start commenting, as i finally have the time.

hello rich. i refer to these posts from peterlindemann:
1)
"I applaud Hector for encouraging people to run these experiments, but the RotoVerter is an EFFICIENCY technique, not an OU technique. The Reactive Power circulating in the LC tank circuits can be converted to Real Power, usig methods discovered by Tesla, but that is another matter entirely." (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1507-roto-verter-2.html#post16707 (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1507-roto-verter-2.html#post16707))
2) then peter refers to tesla's 6 method of conversions for getting the reactive power out, ( http://www.energeticforum.com/16933-post53.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/16933-post53.html))
3) then peter refers to hector's virtual current circulation video:
"The video of Hector is a perfect example of why I believe what I do. He is showing that the RV motor side is running on 175 WATTS of Real Power, and the generator side is producing 208 volts and 7.6 amps, or 1508 VARS of Reactive Power, measured to and from the Capacitor load on the generator. He refers to this as "circulating current" which is exactly what it is. This film shows ZERO WATTS of Real Power coming out of the generator. Reactive Power does NOT produce any Back EMF in the generator, so the motor is still operating at, essentially, no load. There is no way (shown here) to use the power from the generator to run the motor. I am not trying to be a "pain in the ass", I am trying to help you form a clear picture in your mind of what is possible and what is not." http://www.energeticforum.com/17173-post87.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/17173-post87.html)
4) http://www.energeticforum.com/17204-post89.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/17204-post89.html)  i try and write about stuff about the recovery circuits to peter  to see how he reacts (he did mention tesla's recovery methods)
5) peter: "Thank you for this post and the link to the "neon peak recovery circuit". THIS APPROACH HAS MERIT!!!!! Going back to what I posted about Tesla's "Method of Conversion", clipping the VOLTAGE PEAK of a resonant tank created by an AC generator feeding a Capacitive load, IS the first method he discusses. The trick is to clip the top of the voltage rise JUST AS THE CURRENT DROPS TO THE ZERO POINT. In a 60 cycle system, that gives you about a millisecond to clip. Under these circumstances, this system WOULD tap Radiant Energy (voltage without current) just as Hector apparently claims." "The discussion about "false triggering" of the SCR's is interesting. My guess would be that the "false triggering" is coming from the neon bulb more than the SCR. 50% failure rate on a commercially available semi-conductor device seems excessive."
and here's the clincher
"I now see that there is more to the RV project than just Power Factor Correcting a 3-phase motor. This recovery process will work in ANY situation where an AC generator is supplying Reactive Power to a capacitive load." http://www.energeticforum.com/17211-post90.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/17211-post90.html)
this was the most remarkable about-turn  i've ever seen. this is when it started getting interesting. oouthere, i really recommend you start looking into extracting the reactive power. if you got far enough to create it, why not just extract it?
6) "My goal will be to understand what this technology is and what it's historic roots are. At this point, my understanding is that it all relates back to Tesla's brushless induction motors, and his "Method of Conversion" processes for cracking Radiant Energy out of Resonant AC tank circuits. If you have found practical ways to accomplish this with off-the-shelf technology, then it is AWESOME."  http://www.energeticforum.com/17250-post99.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/17250-post99.html)
7) a huge post from ashtweth in response to the thread http://www.energeticforum.com/17269-post106.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/17269-post106.html)
8) peter lindemann reacts: http://www.energeticforum.com/17278-post108.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/17278-post108.html)


oouthere pretty please, look into it.
now back to the thread.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 13, 2008, 07:46:50 AM
oh and here is an interesting thing about reactive power and the moray devices.
if thrapp talks about moray, it does seem like they too are mucking aroundwith reactive power extraction.
http://merlib.org/node/5508 (http://merlib.org/node/5508) - John Bedini: Reactive Power is the clue to Monopole, Hendershot, Moray..

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 13, 2008, 02:53:18 PM
ESA   thankyou for all the info   and the information on th RV    Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: epwpixieq-1 on March 13, 2008, 06:26:34 PM
@ all

Have you seen this water heater ( ... reaching 2000% efficiency !!!!!! )
http://merlib.org/node/5504
It seems to work on a similar resonance principal ( although he claims it is the sound ) as the one shown by the Amish group.
the interesting note is that the guy has the technology for about 50 years and has a small workshop for making the device ... and NO ONE seems to be interested.
I REALLY would like to find out how to contact him and order one !!!!

SAS
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 13, 2008, 06:59:24 PM
E P W  thats the Davey device spoken of in earlier posts  I personaly have never seen all that info thanx  Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Carl. on March 13, 2008, 10:43:33 PM
A general question about the RV setup.

Wouldn't it make more sense to use this tech to make a really efficient motor to drive a really efficient generator? I would say, for the moment, stop trying to harvest the circulating current and just use it where it is at. I am curious as to what the gains in efficiency would be on the motor and what impact the connected generator would have on the motors performance (drag, current consumption etc...) when loaded.

I would think this strategy would allow us to take a step in the right direction, more efficient power production while we work on the issue of harvesting the circulating current.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 14, 2008, 12:35:55 AM
Hi All,
I got an email from John
and we are discussing now first privately,
if and how an interview can be done
and under what conditions.

If the outcome is positive, I will let you all know.

Many thanks for your patience.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 14, 2008, 12:56:23 AM
Hi All,
I got an email from John
and we are discussing now first privately,
if and how an interview can be done
and under what conditions.

If the outcome is positive, I will let you all know.

Many thanks for your patience.

Regards, Stefan.

Stephan

Why  don't   you set  up a  paypal account  for  some of us to  kick in a few  bucks

It seems to me  if we can help make  your offer  larger ........  John  may be more  generous  about sharing  his  knowledge

gary 
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Eniac5state on March 14, 2008, 01:09:06 AM
Standing from the sidelines and looking to this threat I'm sad. Some 4000 messages and still got
nothing working ? How is that possible considering we are talking about 1920 and sooner, technology !
Shame on you. Even Tesla new back then how that happens: he said: "you are paralysed with fascination ". ( ! )  Yes and you are too. You have to switch of that fun/exiting feeling off and become
scientifically dry. How many members have we left..? Right . Next thing. How many people have
downloaded the Tesla patents and fully read them and understood them ? Still fewer people  :'(
Well, you might say : we are not all that gifted and don't we all depend on leaders in their fields etc ? o.k.
Next item. If only religious people do understand these powers of nature what should happen to the rest  ?  Good question that has to be answered.  And finally i speak and understand exactly the
kinda vague language of Mr. Thrapp. So what sounds vague to you is clear to me.  ;)
Because it is so neat here and decent i will standby to fill in gaps  ? Yes and actually i do like entertainment and have a little godcomplex also ! :D  We're all the same kind i see.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 14, 2008, 01:30:16 AM
Stick  around   I like you already !!    we need good sincere people    thanx   Chet 
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 14, 2008, 01:51:26 AM
Hi All,
I got an email from John
and we are discussing now first privately,
if and how an interview can be done
and under what conditions.

If the outcome is positive, I will let you all know.

Many thanks for your patience.

Regards, Stefan.

Stephan

Why  don't   you set  up a  paypal account  for  some of us to  kick in a few  bucks

It seems to me  if we can help make  your offer  larger ........  John  may be more  generous  about sharing  his  knowledge

gary 

Hi Gary,
if they just want money, we are the wrong crowd.

I donate 100 US$ for an interview from my own money.

If that is okay with them, then we can go ahead
and do the interview.

I just don?t want to handle money from other people,
so I want to stay independant from other money.

Many thanks for understanding.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 14, 2008, 02:15:18 PM
A general question about the RV setup.
Wouldn't it make more sense to use this tech to make a really efficient motor to drive a really efficient generator? I would say, for the moment, stop trying to harvest the circulating current and just use it where it is at. I am curious as to what the gains in efficiency would be on the motor and what impact the connected generator would have on the motors performance (drag, current consumption etc...) when loaded. I would think this strategy would allow us to take a step in the right direction, more efficient power production while we work on the issue of harvesting the circulating current.

this is exactly what the point is, two have a motor, and a generator. get them into sync, etc. people are moving towards this, and it has been recommended, suggested and done many times. they have DC motors running AC mtors, etc. its all in http://panaceauniversity.org/Chapter2.pdf (http://panaceauniversity.org/Chapter2.pdf)..  check further in the PDF and you'll see a few  "gen-motor" or "gen-alternator" setups :)

as every persons motor that they run is slightly different, the setups will vary wildly, thus, its not anymore the point to  sit on a chair and ask for the efficiency metering measurements, and then demand clarifications and corrections, instead of  doing it yourself, cos your motor will work differently.
again, i recommend this threaD:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1507-roto-verter.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1507-roto-verter.html)

anyway, my internet has been shut down due to unpaid bills (im at a netcafe), and i will really, truly, hopefully,  today finally get to listen to the WITTS interview. in fact, thanks for reminding me, i'll mail t he waterfuelmuseum guy  and ask if he could do a second interview. that'd be great, wouldnt it? :)

have fun list!
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: oouthere on March 14, 2008, 02:25:40 PM
At first I thought these people wanted to help the world but apparently they are doing another SM....these remarkable technologies will be hidden again.

And.....crude hit a new high of $110....keep hiding it.   My new toy just went from 38' to 42' and maybe upgraded engines as well....

Rich
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 14, 2008, 02:44:07 PM
At first I thought these people wanted to help the world but apparently they are doing another SM....these remarkable technologies will be hidden again.
And.....crude hit a new high of $110....keep hiding it.   My new toy just went from 38' to 42' and maybe upgraded engines as well....
Rich

have you extracted the reactive power in the rotoverter circuit yet? :)

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: oouthere on March 14, 2008, 03:04:25 PM
The only way I see it even having a chance at working is to match the load to the output.  I've ordered heat coil wire and will build a heater element to match the best tuned output of my unit.  If it works, it works....if not, it doesn't.  This will be my last attempt at experimentation with the unit.  The picture of the high wattage bulb being driven by the rotoverter was no where near full brightness, don't believe that one.  IMO, the camera would have been damaged photographing that bulb if it were at full brightness.

Rich
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 14, 2008, 03:05:35 PM
i will really, truly, hopefully,  today finally get to listen to the WITTS interview. in fact, thanks for reminding me, i'll mail t he waterfuelmuseum guy  and ask if he could do a second interview. that'd be great, wouldnt it? :)

ok, i've mailed waterfuelmuseum interviewer guy. i also noticed that the Timothy Thrapp interview was from 29th September 2007.

so here's a rudimentary timeline:

(x to y) random mentions of timothy thrapp suppression and being-put-to-jail  on rense.com etc, from keelynet, etc,  his name varies from Tim Trapp to Tim Thrapp to Timothy Thrapp (http://www.rense.com/general72/oinvent.htm (http://www.rense.com/general72/oinvent.htm) rense.com article which mentions tim trapp as being jailed in arizona) (these posts from Jerry Decker  notify that 2001 and 1997 were active years)
2001.09.21 Sterling D. Allan creates http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/WITs/index.html (http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/WITs/index.html) -page, which lists, amongst their achievements: "*  Gravity motor * Engines that run on water * Radiant Energy devices (solid state or mechanical) * Inertial propulsion devices * Pollution remediation". Much talk about money. (Around 100 functioning technologies claimed to be for sale.)
2006.June - July Dr. Trapp calls Gary Vesperman (of PESWiki) three times (June 24, July 1, July 4), and accompanies this contact with emails that provide more details to the activities of the company/ministry, and their suppression history. The article starts with '''Dr. Timothy Trapp: 127 Energy Technologies'''. "Currently employing 11 scientists, WITS has been active in producing, installing and servicing free energy systems worldwide for 19 years. Dr. Trapp and the two non-profits have developed over 127 energy technologies. Approximately 20 utilize cracking water into oxygen and hydrogen, approximately 14 are gravity motors, approximately 50 are radiant energy machines, and the remaining are miscellaneous energy, propulsion and pollution remediation devices." "127 energy technologies are currently commercially available, including large-scale over-unity power plants ? 5 megawatts and up. Many of these power plants are under construction in foreign countries but not in the United States due to suppression by the U.S. Government. WITS also makes and sells a device for 30 dollars that can be added to any electrical system that has batteries which would drastically increase the efficiency of that system (e.g. cell phone, radio, electric car)."
"When Dr. Trapp moved back from Alaska, upon arrival, the shipping container containing his tools, equipment, etc., had been emptied. In spring 2001, Trapp?s lab in Arizona was raided. At the end of 2001 two WITS scientist assistants were (and currently still are) in Ohio prison on trumped up drug charges." "In the past 20 years the U.S. Government has destroyed over 14 WITTS laboratories. As recently as spring 2006 a WITTS laboratory burned to the ground. The contents of each laboratory contained millions of dollars worth of equipment and several costly free energy machines. Dr. Trapp?s laboratories were raided, his equipment was smashed, and his people were beaten and arrested numerous times on false charges. False evidence was planted many times."  oo-er, looks like im running out of time here at the internetcafe, so the rest of that post is on http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:World_Improvement_Through_The_Spirit_Ministries (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:World_Improvement_Through_The_Spirit_Ministries). i'll chop it into the timeline when i have the time.
2007.09.29 Timothy Thrapp interviewed by James A. Robey of WaterFuelMuseum (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/blog/2007/09/29/timothy (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/blog/2007/09/29/timothy))
2007.12.16 Overunity.com user notices a googlevideo posted by Timothy Thrapp, (which was later removed, AGAIN I ASK: HAS ANYONE ARCHIVED THIS? PLEASE POST IT.)
2007.12.30 Timothy Thrapp / Wits2014 joins YouTube
2008.01.20 Wits2014 posts "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator!" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=8fR3vBB1Yn0 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=8fR3vBB1Yn0)) (desc: showing initial activation & then a self-running electrical motor generator combination with 900 net watts output. This is a result of studying the pioneers such as Tesla, Moray, Hendershot and 20 years of work by a team of top scientists along with several million in R & D.)
2008.02.28 Wits2014 posts "Worlds's Most Efficient Overunity Water Heater" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=06iCfowinUM (http://youtube.com/watch?v=06iCfowinUM)) (desc:showing the world's most efficient overunity ultrasonic water heater. A stainless steel sphere with 1.7 gallons of water starts at 101 degrees F and rises to 184 degrees F in two minutes from 1.62 watts input from a 9 volt battery supplying .18 amps. Normally 1.7 US gallons of water would require 10,296 watts of energy at 100% efficiency to be raised from 101 to 184 degrees F in 2 minutes. This is super efficient at over 6000 X more heat from the input of electricity. There are no catalysts, heavy water or other exotic materials required as in cold fusion and no harmful radiation is released. The stimulus for this research & development was John Keely's Sympathetic Vibratory Physics using frequencies in combination with shapes of materials. )
2008.03.05 Sterling D. Allan starts a PESWiki page on Wits. http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:World_Improvement_Through_The_Spirit_Ministries (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:World_Improvement_Through_The_Spirit_Ministries)
2008.03.06 Wits2014 posts "Self Running 35 Watt Delay Line Generator!" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=CkBNzXPy_p4 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=CkBNzXPy_p4)) (desc: showing a delay line generator motor starting with a pack of 9 volt batteries in series. It shows the voltage rising from 713 volts to 728 volts after starting with approximately .05 amps average current or 35 watts being generated & utilized. A conventional generator motor would be dropping the voltage in the battery pack after starting. Then a capacitor is added and the batteries are disconnected totally so that the delay line generator motor is self generating, self turning as well as supplying electricity to the fluorescent tubes. The device is over 20 years old and as such provided the basis for higher output more sophisticated devices such as the - Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator. There is no harmful radiation and it is converting zero point energy with no external power source needed after starting!)


... and now we are waiting for more. :)

2008.03.31 Sterling Allan will be conducting an intreview with Timothy Thrapp.
"*On March 31, 2008, from 2:00 - 2:55 pm Central time, {{SDA}} will conduct a live interview with Timothy Thrapp as part of the Free Energy Now radio series."

so i'll be listening to both of them back to back with the videos and see what happens then :)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 14, 2008, 03:36:21 PM
have mailed wits2011 and wits2014 with a description and a request for a DVD-list, as I'll be purchasing as many DVDs as they have on offer (upon delivery of my EP, i'll get roughly 444usd).

now i'll go home and listen to the radio interview :)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 14, 2008, 03:39:49 PM
The only way I see it even having a chance at working is to match the load to the output.  I've ordered heat coil wire and will build a heater element to match the best tuned output of my unit.  If it works, it works....if not, it doesn't.  This will be my last attempt at experimentation with the unit.  The picture of the high wattage bulb being driven by the rotoverter was no where near full brightness, don't believe that one.  IMO, the camera would have been damaged photographing that bulb if it were at full brightness. Rich

its very strange that you do not address the "extracting the reactive power" question. of course you are allowed to do anything you want with the device, but it is strange that first you verify that there is Reactive Power running, then you say it cant be extracted, then when provided links to a discussion and a PDF with  some reactive power recovery circuits... nothing happens. weird :)
are you not open to reactive power recovery? :)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: oouthere on March 14, 2008, 04:14:53 PM
I may not be knowledgeable enough to pursue that line of experimentation.  People much more intelligent than myself  have tried and from what I've read have not succeeded.  I've read recovery material and I only know of one that stated he could sustain a self running rotoverter and I don't know that anyone verified his system.  But, imo he was only pounding a battery with a high voltage spikes which equates to a battery charger much like Bedini's circuits.  Upon my initial reading of the rv it lead you to believe you had straight over unity power that was capable of doing real work, but it is not that simple.

If the claims of high efficiency were true, then you should be able to couple a typical generator head to a well tuned rv and it would be self running with the help of an inverter.....several have tried and no one has made it happen.  I bought a 1k generator and tore it apart to try a direct coupling but my unit's rotor was part of the crankshaft so it was not possible to use without a lot of unnecessary drag.   I read some were trying a pm generator instead of a electrically magnetized rotor, never heard of anyone getting anywhere with that one either.  But we are only talking a 100 watts or so to magnetize the rotor so with all the supposed o/u left in the rv numbers that should not even make a difference.  A lot of what you read concerning the rv is bs.  It isn't that we don't try....it just doesn't seem to work.  If someone has made it work in a true self running mode, they are not coming forward. 



The circuit as described in the pdf file will not work in o/u with the rv, I ran that circuit probably six months ago in numerous different load variations.  Everything equalled basically the load plus 1,100 watts.

Anyway, I'm just over the rv but the heat extraction seems to show the most promise to me.  Until you really start digging into some of these experiments and throwing thousands of your own dollars and lord knows how many hours of your personal time, it's easy to give advice but a lot of us already know the outcome.  Just like that guy with the weighted, high speed wheels driving a generator.  His energy was simply stored in the spinning wheels...no magic.  If you ran a piece of power equipment long enough that outpulled his drive motor then the stored energy was depleted in the spinning wheels which drove the generator head.  Many people got upset because a few of us stated what it was...we all want o/u but it needs to be real and not smoke and mirrors.  I have some capabilities but apparently not enough yet to make a functional device.  I get frustrated at the people like SM and now WITS.....they have the technology and it will never see the light of day.

And in case someone thinks I'm serious about having a '42 boat....ain't happening.  I have no investment in the petroleum industry and live the life of a redneck.

Rich
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 14, 2008, 07:59:01 PM
Did I miss something last I heard  Stephan was waiting for a reply from John  [WITT] regarding an interview    Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Eniac5state on March 14, 2008, 11:55:50 PM
To come back on the original subject, the 900 watt generator. The capacitorbank is not used for
resonance at all. An average motor coil is about 0.7 Hy. To get to 100 Hz one needs a capacitor of
3,5 uF. And that box is full of capacitors. That should give a big clue. Don't let people get you down
by saying it costs 1000's of dollars to develop because that's work of mindless ignorants.
Statement:
Months later, when you know the principles, I tell you that on the 9 pages of this thread, the complete
description is given ! In other words; you have all of the ingredients and you are unable to make the
bread. Now that is very sad for pre 1920's technology. ???  Are you so boxed in ? So enslaved by
manipulative schooling ? Come on, stop your emotions, do as German scientist and crack it.
I predict you; you will hit yourselves by not seeing it's already complete on these pages !


.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 15, 2008, 12:20:32 AM
ENIAC please no bread crumbs to the trail      Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on March 15, 2008, 12:28:46 AM
To come back on the original subject, the 900 watt generator. The capacitorbank is not used for
resonance at all. An average motor coil is about 0.7 Hy. To get to 100 Hz one needs a capacitor of
3,5 uF. And that box is full of capacitors. That should give a big clue. Don't let people get you down
by saying it costs 1000's of dollars to develop because that's work of mindless ignorants.
Statement:
Months later, when you know the principles, I tell you that on the 9 pages of this thread, the complete
description is given ! In other words; you have all of the ingredients and you are unable to make the
bread. Now that is very sad for pre 1920's technology. ???  Are you so boxed in ? So enslaved by
manipulative schooling ? Come on, stop your emotions, do as German scientist and crack it.
I predict you; you will hit yourselves by not seeing it's already complete on these pages !


.

you act like you know just how to build this already , so why dont you show us how, or do you really have no idea ?.are you here to help or just give hints and nothing more like a lot of other people here.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Bulbz on March 15, 2008, 12:57:42 AM
I would like to see a full explanation for how this thing works, warts and all.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 15, 2008, 01:18:15 AM
Well no warts for me thankyou   Im in Amish country for a few days   I know an Amish fellow     who knows ?  no stone left unturned         Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 15, 2008, 01:45:45 AM
Quote


The capacitorbank is not used forresonance at all.
 An average motor coil is about 0.7 Hy. To get to 100 Hz one needs a capacitor of
3,5 uF. And that box is full of capacitors.
.



To the best of my knowledge an average motor does NOT  generate  900 watts of free energy.

The  motor  does not look  like an average motor at all to me .

It  looks to me  like it  has 4  VERY large coils .

Personaly  I  think it might take a box of caps   to reach resonance.


gary
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on March 15, 2008, 04:46:28 AM
I think the caps are important.  (In my personal view anyway),

Then again, theories should come after the experiment. ;)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 15, 2008, 01:01:25 PM
ok, i listened to the whole interview, twice, and have been saving markers  in soundforge for it, to chop it into bits. i also wrote a bit down, but either i'll write the whole lot down (which is a bit of work), or just share the bits i wrote down (which are sporadic), with mates (which i've done). after this, i got in touch with WITTS by emailing them, i asked them for a list of dvds, and if they still do sell them for 30.00$ or 50.00$ donation each. heres a couple of responses i got, im sure they're fine with me posting it here: ive put the bits you might care about in bold..
"Dear Esa,
We decided to post the dvds for free on you tube, please send a donation and watch them there.
 Please pray about what God would have you do to help, then do it! If we, as a people work together, We can accomplish anything!
Sir Timothy and Gods team have developed technologies that are ABSOLUTELY AWESOME! But We need help to get these into manufacturing."
then i mailed them back, chopping that sentence in bold, into bits, and asked them, straight up "does this mean that if i donate money, you will post more videos on youtube?". they responded with
"Yes, Send us a donation please? We plan to post more!"

so i, as a musician, decided to donate to them and see what happens. i sent them 80$ (since lately i've been purchasing so many dvds that ive got 14 new ones, and the next one i wanna buy is   The Garbage Warrior  ( http://www.garbagewarrior.com/ (http://www.garbagewarrior.com/) ) , and obviously the howard johnson EFTV4 dvd)))), and now im just waiting for it to be claimed by them via paypal, and see if they really will post stuff.
if they odnt, i dont mind, the research they have done already (see the interview) over decades  is, in a widescreen way, helping things.

anyway, it was a very interesting interview, and now sterling d allan has heard it too, i hope he will thus be able to re-arrange his questions in such a way as to be able to dig up some more details  and some more knowledge (thrapp strikes me as a person i would love to talk with about reich, russell, keely, stubblefield and moray.  or physically attend his   dominant energy classes).   i hope robert j. robey will also do interview#2 with him, because the wide angle that they had in the 1 hour interview was, well, staggering, if nothing else.

what wealth there is available for those who will seek..
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: oouthere on March 15, 2008, 04:50:42 PM
Dr. Greer has a program that can put this into the hands of the public...$200k up front and $5M in two years for royalties....I guess this isn't enough though.

http://www.disclosureproject.com/

BREAKING NEWS: AERO Announces award program offering $200,000 up-front and $5 million minimum two year royalty for working, replicable device. Read More

Advanced Energy Research Organization (AERO), Inc. is a new research and development group formed to develop and strategically protect new energy and propulsion technologies. It is our goal, utilizing a unique strategic approach, to bring forth these new environmentally sound technologies to replace virtually all fossil fuel, internal combustion and ionizing nuclear technologies within 20-30 years.

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world; indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

- Margaret Mead, anthropologist


Rich
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 15, 2008, 05:27:24 PM
SO..... AERO is also on the 20-30 year program    Chet    PS I agree completely with your quote from Margaret Mead
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: innovation_station on March 15, 2008, 05:57:09 PM
 :)

i have an idea ....

hell with AERO...   LETS MAKE IT  2-3 months not years.....   no time for years to waste.......  is 100 years not enough wasted time ??

why do u all think i give my hard work away..... FOR FREE 4 ALL ;)

here i will tell you all    WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME !!!!![/u WAY TOO FAST!!!

GET WITH THE PROGRAM ALREADY....

IST

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 15, 2008, 07:48:05 PM
Well your timing is good [for your purposes]  we call this a sucker punch where I come from    Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 15, 2008, 08:54:34 PM
did anyone catch that  james a. robey (i keep getting his name wrong) interview of timothy thrapp where he mentions having visited daniel dingel?
in fact, did anyone even listen to the whole 1hour interview?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 15, 2008, 09:03:28 PM
Yes  and i can't wait for the next one Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 16, 2008, 11:19:59 AM
ok, so, has anyone done any comparisons between the 35 watt fuelless self-runner and the 900watt fuelless self-runner, please?

it was mentioned that the 35watt one is a previous research and development object, and the 900watt is a more perfect version.

could anyone analyze what has changed between these two devices, please?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkBNzXPy_p4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkBNzXPy_p4) 35watt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fR3vBB1Yn0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fR3vBB1Yn0) 900watt
35watt:
World Improvement Through The Spirit Ministries is showing a delay line generator motor starting with a pack of 9 volt batteries in series. It shows the voltage rising from 713 volts to 728 volts after starting with approximately .05 amps average current or 35 watts being generated & utilized.

A conventional generator motor would be dropping the voltage in the battery pack after starting.

Then a capacitor is added and the batteries are disconnected totally so that the delay line generator motor is self generating, self turning as well as supplying electricity to the fluorescent tubes. The device is over 20 years old and as such provided the basis for higher output more sophisticated devices such as the - Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator.

There is no harmful radiation and it is converting zero point energy with no external power source needed after starting!
900watt:
World Improvement Through The Spirit Ministries showing initial activation & then a self-running electrical motor generator combination with 900 net watts output. This is a result of studying the pioneers such as Tesla, Moray, Hendershot and 20 years of work by a team of top scientists along with several million in R & D.

anyone?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 16, 2008, 03:32:12 PM
ESA your time line analysis  is logical for the info presented to date    and  I hope more usefull info comes foward  witth additional interviews   Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on March 16, 2008, 09:51:05 PM
@ Eniac5state,dont you have any thing better to do ?, back in the thread you gave a very strong impression you know how this machine works and left it at that, how about share your greatness with the rest of us and show us your plans etc ?, or do you really not know but just like to say so ?.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 19, 2008, 01:01:31 AM
I did only get one email from them so far
and they did not further communicate with me.

Hmm, is anybody else with them in contact and has received
more informations so far ?

Also they did not post any other videos yet as was promised..

I would advise to wait and don?t do any donations until they
come forward with more infos.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: nightlife on March 19, 2008, 02:08:19 AM
b0rg13, we were discussing this topic on another thread and you brought something to my attention that I was unaware of and that was the utilization of the meter probes as a way to connect and disconnect a power source.

 This how ever does not have much bearing on the device we were talking about as does the sphere it's self as well as it's source of power.

 The sphere it's self will bounce vibrations around and it will create a compression of those vibrations creating a heat and the longer they are compressed, the hotter it will get to the point where the vibrations can not get any more vibrant. That would be were the temperature would top off. The you have to add the efficiency of the power source and you end up with a very efficient device that becomes close to 100% efficient. This means it will last for a long time but not forever. If it was 100% efficient, it would run for ever and if the battery would have been disconnected, you would have found the device to cool down and not continue to produce heat.

 As for the pulse motor design, I know for a fact that he could not have produced a over unity motor because the power source is not even being utilized properly. He is doing nothing more the Bedini has done with his motors. Again, he has proven a very efficient device but that?s all it is.

 One thing we have to remember is that energy is never lost and it only diminishes as it spreads out. These devices as well as others like them are only preserving more of the energy then actually diminishes. They are keeping the energy in a loop with very little escaping making them very efficient.

 I talked of how over unity could be produced by modifying these designs but honestly, over unity is impossible to achieve because of power sources being involved. Magnets hold a power source that we have not been able to properly utilize and I think I have figured out why. I have studied every pulse motor I could find and I have yet to see one of them utilize what I hope mine to be able to. If it works, it would look as if it is a over unity motor but in actuality, it wouldn't be because the magnets are a power source like battery's are.

 Just as if we were to collect energy from thin air. We could not think of it as a way to produce over unity because of the energy that the air holds. The air would be like a battery just as earth battery's. We can extract energy from the earth but it can not be considered over unity because the earths energy it holds like a battery.

 Big money has taken advantage of us by not backing more efficient motors that would cost very little to operate. All electrical motors could be utilized better then they are and made to be close to 100% efficient if they all utilized back Elf?s. They say that DC currents are not pulsed but they have to be and we just must not have the technology to detect the pulses they have. AC is a pulsed DC which we can detect as well as we could utilize the back ELF from the pulses. We are wasting energy with the way we use electricity as well as faucal fuels. Even faucal fuels could be utilized much better then they are and to think we have wasted all that we have just makes me sick and makes me believe that those who sell it, should be imprisoned and or at least not to be allowed to have any part in selling natural resources. I am sure they all know what they are doing as well as they don?t want us to know why they do things the way they do. They are greedy and they want to rule the world and we will all see soon enough how their tactics have been being played out since the days of Hitler.
 They already know everything but they will not share it with us because they feel superior and to good to have to be put down to the average level.

 I want nothing more then to make things fair and equal for all and that is why I am here. I don't want to debunk anyone?s devices but at the same time, I don?t want people wasting their time on frauds and deceptions that others try and post.

 We must stay focused on efficiency more so then over unity because over unity is impossible to achieve.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 19, 2008, 02:28:30 AM
Please do not send any money to these folks, not because the technology does not work, just out of principle.

When you send a DONATION, you can't sue them if what they have is revealed to be fake.  They did not sell you anything, you just donated to a cause.  It's an ingenious way to bring about free energy devices, but it requires a trust that needs to be earned first.   

The videos do not earn enough trust to send money, in my opinion.  That is because they can easily be faked.  A live demonstration perhaps can earn more trust, but then again everybody has their own levels of trust.  Besides, when you donate to a ministry you want to hear progress reports how the money are spend, or perhaps be a board member and participate in the discussions.  Just sending money encourages laziness and fraud.

Update:

I've been away for a few days and I'm still working on the motor.  I still believe  :)

EM


Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 19, 2008, 02:40:35 AM
heh, seems like i caught john online, as have traded a few emails with him now.. kinda.
anyway, i mailed him asking to purchase dvds, they said they dont sell dvds anymore, they post them online - and hinted they would post more if someone donated. well, i sent something since i happened to have it, out of my own judgement (and money). they, after a while, received it (i sent in EUR). they replied with "Hello Esa, We have 3 videos posted now, on utube. You are welcome to download them if you know how. Please make a donation, and we will post more. God bless you for your help!". i immediately replied with "i already have seen them and downloaded them. i was hoping the donation i already sent would mean you would post more." they replied with "OK, Yes Thank u! Yes! We will post more. But please be patient it took 4 years to get the volunteers to put up these 3. We can not push volunteers."  to which i immediately replied "i volunteer. i have all the required tools to takea  DVD-R and produce a digital video file of it. i can chop a DVD to any number of slices, and youtube can handle less than 10minute slices so i know how to create those slices out of provided material. please let me help you.".
 i reckon that was the right response, i am, after all, a volunteer and would be quite happy to assist them in digitizing their material. in theory, this should result in "yes we will send you a dvd and please let us know when it has been digitized". i hope so. the other avenue is to actually get in touch with james a. robey, and ask if i could purchase the witts DVD from him directly, or a copy of, in order to see if there is more to it than the less than 1 0minute youtube videos - i have a feeling none of the videos are longer than 11 minutes long, on that DVD, very doubtful, like.
and so it continues. 31st of march comes closer, sterling d. allan i suppose is getting ready to interviewing them, and so forth.

ok, i see james a.robey is looking for donations to waterfuelmuseum - i mailed him just now to ask him if he would accept a 50/50  donation/thrapp dvd-loan.
lets see what can happen.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Bulbz on March 19, 2008, 02:46:58 AM
The point that I want to make is...

If I was to be fortunate enough to succede in making a free energy motor, I would let people (such as Stefan), to come and view it at no cost to them. Charging huge amounts of cash just to see a demonstration is an outrage IMO. I would even give permission for them to dismantle the machine to prove that there is no BS going on behind the scenes.

The bottom line is, if his technology is that good, then why doesn't he sell the machines ready-build ?, instead of asking tremendous amounts of money for a set of scribbles on a piece of paper. The greed in this world, makes my blood boil.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on March 19, 2008, 03:07:02 AM
Seeing the response that was given to esaruoho should open everyones eyes.

How do you know that the videos they have are made by them?

These could be videos from somebody else and these guys are just using them for their own purposes in making money.  It's very easy to slap an email address at the end of a video and ask for donations.

Don't be gullible guys, STOP SENDING DONNATIONS TO THESE FOLKS.  We don't know who they are and the videos can easily be faked.

EM

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: allcanadian on March 19, 2008, 03:11:30 AM
@nightlife
Quote
As for the pulse motor design, I know for a fact that he could not have produced a over unity motor because the power source is not even being utilized properly. He is doing nothing more the Bedini has done with his motors. Again, he has proven a very efficient device but that’s all it is.
Show me a real picture of anything you have actually built yourself and tested that even runs then we will talk about facts---until then your just blowing hot air.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 19, 2008, 03:18:39 AM


Don't be gullible guys, STOP SENDING DONNATIONS TO THESE FOLKS.  We don't know who they are and the videos can easily be faked.

EM

Hi EM,
you are right,
we even don?t know,if this "John" guy is really related to the Timothy Thrapp
"ministry group" or if it is just someone
who used this video and his email address to collect fraudulent donations !

So please everybody don?t send cash or donations that way.
Just wait until they come again forward with more real evidence.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 19, 2008, 03:25:24 AM
heh, seems like i caught john online, as have traded a few emails with him now.. kinda.
anyway, i mailed him asking to purchase dvds, they said they dont sell dvds anymore, they post them online - and hinted they would post more if someone donated. well, i sent something since i happened to have it, out of my own judgement (and money). they, after a while, received it (i sent in EUR). they replied with "Hello Esa, We have 3 videos posted now, on utube. You are welcome to download them if you know how. Please make a donation, and we will post more. God bless you for your help!". i immediately replied with "i already have seen them and downloaded them. i was hoping the donation i already sent would mean you would post more." they replied with "OK, Yes Thank u! Yes! We will post more. But please be patient it took 4 years to get the volunteers to put up these 3. We can not push volunteers."  to which i immediately replied "i volunteer. i have all the required tools to takea  DVD-R and produce a digital video file of it. i can chop a DVD to any number of slices, and youtube can handle less than 10minute slices so i know how to create those slices out of provided material. please let me help you.".
 i reckon that was the right response, i am, after all, a volunteer and would be quite happy to assist them in digitizing their material. in theory, this should result in "yes we will send you a dvd and please let us know when it has been digitized". i hope so. the other avenue is to actually get in touch with james a. robey, and ask if i could purchase the witts DVD from him directly, or a copy of, in order to see if there is more to it than the less than 1 0minute youtube videos - i have a feeling none of the videos are longer than 11 minutes long, on that DVD, very doubtful, like.
and so it continues. 31st of march comes closer, sterling d. allan i suppose is getting ready to interviewing them, and so forth.

ok, i see james a.robey is looking for donations to waterfuelmuseum - i mailed him just now to ask him if he would accept a 50/50  donation/thrapp dvd-loan.
lets see what can happen.

Hi Esa,
many thanks for this info.
You donated 80 Euros in good faith and before you did this they promised you to post more videos to youtube,
so it sounded as they would have no problems with it to post more videos soon.

and now they use these excuses that they are unable to do it by themself...Hmmm,
makes you go more.... Hmmmmmmmm....

Well everybody don?t send any donations until we hear more of them.
Maybe they still need some more days to assemble a few new videos
via a volunteer, but then let us wait and see, if they will really come forward
with more and maybe also wait, until Sterling has posted the Interview with Mr.Thrapp.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 19, 2008, 03:26:38 AM
when i replied with the volunteer, they immediately asked if im in the states, gave me the phonenumber to thrapp, and told me to either call him or  me tell them my phonenumber so they can call me. when i volunteered, it appears that something switched in the dynamics of this conversation. since i told them im in scandinavia, they said : "OK, The issue there is how to get the DVDs to you. I know we can ship them, but overseas shipping is expensive. You have any suggestions?"  to which i responded with two: sending them to my mate who can send them onwards to me.. or, me paying for the postage.
i suppose there is going to be an answer to this message too.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on March 19, 2008, 03:26:40 AM

To be accurate, none of us really know very much about the nature and utilization of energy...only dead guys know anything.

We should all be careful not to dismiss concepts solely because to us it will not work...especially when we already know that there is so much unknown to us.

I like to let things develop naturally...sometimes even a wacky idea can spark a great idea.

Regards...

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 19, 2008, 03:56:55 AM
nope hartiberlin, i donated 54.32eur in good faith which translates to 80$ due to the dollar going rate. NOT 80eur. reckon they'd be well happy if i had given them almost 160$.

Their response, as posted, was that they will get a volunteer to upload  - and that it has taken time to get one to do it, to which i immediately voluntarily offered my own services (HandBrakeCLI is a good little program, been using it heaps now in digitization processes).

now i'm waiting for a response to see if they would rather send DVDs to my mate (for him to send them to me), or if i can help them with the postage of sending me the DVDs which they would like digitized and posted on youtube. either way, i'm still waiting to see what can happen. i believe if they really are interested in posting more videos on youtube, and i give them a way of doing it easily, that they will jump at it. if not, there's still the james a. robey  DVD -- waiting for him to respond.

Hi Esa, many thanks for this info. You donated 80 Euros in good faith and before you did this they promised you to post more videos to youtube, so it sounded as they would have no problems with it to post more videos soon. and now they use these excuses that they are unable to do it by themself...Hmmm, makes you go more.... Hmmmmmmmm.... Well everybody don?t send any donations until we hear more of them. Maybe they still need some more days to assemble a few new videos via a volunteer, but then let us wait and see, if they will really come forward  with more and maybe also wait, until Sterling has posted the Interview with Mr.Thrapp.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: nightlife on March 19, 2008, 03:58:03 AM
allcanadian, hot air?

 Come on now, first of all I am only here to try and help and I have done a few things along the way to test a few theory?s that have been posted. I am building a pulse motor and I will post it after it is done.

 First of all, over unity is impossible because energy is energy. You cant make energy but you can collect energy and or release energy from substances that have accumulated and stored energy and or that naturally release energy. I will be doing a experiment on this concept as soon as I figure out what I need to use. I will doing it by using different fragrances. Stronger fragrances put off very vibrant vibrations and we can tell because we can smell them. We detect the vibrations they put off with our nose hairs and then they send the vibration to our brains and our brains detect the different vibrations and that is how we can tell the difference between fragrances. the same can be said with what we hear.

 I am a thinker and I devote all my time to thinking, which may get me devoiced, LOL. Every since I came across this forum, I have honestly devoted much of my time to research. I am a problem solver by trade and I will admit this is a bit out of my league based on my limited knowledge of physics but I feel that I have a good sense of common sense in which has lead to where I am today. I have a lot to learn but that does not mean that my thoughts should be over looked and or thought to be senseless.

 If I have said something that does not make sense, then by all means please tell me but please note that I will do the same.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 19, 2008, 04:09:55 AM
@Esa,
what is a "James a. robey  DVD"  ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 19, 2008, 04:16:42 AM
@Esa,
what is a "James a. robey  DVD"  ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

interesting. well, i've got a treat for you, stefan. go to
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/blog/2007/09/29/timothy (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/blog/2007/09/29/timothy)
see on the right theres a player, press STOP in that.  see on the left theres a description of a show featuring timothy thrapp. press play.

if you take the time to listen to ALL 1 hours of it, you will notice, just as i did, that  thrapp/WITTS have sent a DVD to James A. Robey which shows a few of their devices. it appears that it is possible that the DVD is not only the 3 videos on YouTube. since i value what James A. Robey (of http://www.waterFuelMuseum.org (http://www.waterFuelMuseum.org) fame) does, what with interviewing Dale Pond and Timothy Thrapp, and the others which i havent listened to, yeah, and if he is willing to part with the DVD he got sent by Thrapp/WITTS for my digitization , i would be more than keen to just donate him the postage costs and some extra  for his blogtalk radio ventures.

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 19, 2008, 04:40:46 AM
Overunity is possible and we see it every day.  Electrons, protons and neutrons orbit around a nucleus of every atom in every molecule in the universe and they are not slowing down.  My desk here is made up of billions of such things and I did not put any energy into them at all.  I am getting a lot of energy out of them, for free...so how is this NOT overunity?

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: nightlife on March 19, 2008, 05:08:03 AM
Pirate88179, lets stick with reality as well as what can be proven apposed to what cant.

 A movement can not be made with out another movement taking place first. The movement can not be made to create more energy then the energy used to move it.

 Be careful with magical electrons. They are said to be solids that flow thru other solids. LOL

 Be sure to listen to the talk show posted by esaruoho, it talks a bit about the earth battery and I think you would take interest in it. I will post it in the earth battery thread too.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/blog/2007/09/29/timothy
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 19, 2008, 05:32:14 AM
Be sure to listen to the talk show posted by esaruoho, it talks a bit about the earth battery and I think you would take interest in it. I will post it in the earth battery thread too.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/blog/2007/09/29/timothy

now please be sure that whenever you give that url to someone, that yuo tell them (so that they dont wast etheir time) that the first sound coming from the webpage is not the thrapp interview. the sound is the newest interview conducted by mr. robey, and you have to press PLAY on the thrapp interview  on the left for it to start.  i had 3 people go through some pantone/geet / waterfuel interview before i realized that they weren't responding to anything that thrapp was saying, and they weren't  because they hadnt actually heard the thrapp interview!! :)
weird.

anyway yeah theres quite a bit about stubblefield earthbattery and the stubblefield parabolic mirrors, and hydroxy boosters, radiant energy boosters  and their forthcoming website and  how he got started etc. i'd love for there to be a continuing "thing" on the  31st march  sterling d. allan  interview. lets see.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 19, 2008, 06:32:09 AM
Pirate88179, lets stick with reality as well as what can be proven apposed to what cant.

 A movement can not be made with out another movement taking place first. The movement can not be made to create more energy then the energy used to move it.

 

Nightlife

Yes  lets stick   with reality and what can be proven

How  can you prove that   movement can't be made   without  another  movement taking place first?

Are  you  trying to tell us that nothing in the universe is moving?

It seems to me that  something  created   the  original motion in the universe

I can't  think  of a single thing in the universe that is not moving

The  entire   universe is in constant motion and according to quantum physics it is all energy .




gary
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: nightlife on March 19, 2008, 06:59:43 AM
one, no, but a vibration had to have started it.

 As far as the universe being all energy, I cant agree or disagree but as long as there are vibrations, there is energy and if there isn't vibrations, then there can not be energy.

 Energy being a vibration makes a whole lot more sense then it being electrons.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: tao on March 19, 2008, 07:10:48 AM
For those wanting that 1 hour audio interview of Thrapp in a more portable format...

Here it is encoded into mp3 format:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1YTDLGAQ

Its about 25mb, 60 min 8 secs @ 22Khz/96kbps

peace............
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 19, 2008, 07:18:42 AM
@ nightlife:

I am sticking with reality and what HAS been proven.  Your vibration theory, while interesting, has NOT been proven and that is reality.  If you are claiming that Einstein, Oppenheimer, etc. are wrong and you are right, well, I don't buy it.

I listened to the Thrapp interview weeks ago and I have posted that his Stubblefield info was incorrect in some areas.  After a little more research, and what others have posted since, I am still convinced this guy is nothing more than a con man...yes, another one.  That is my opinion.  I decline to give him a donation.

As for overunity being impossible, just ask Stefan and Omnibus about the SMOT.  They will both tell you that it has been proven beyond a doubt to be o.u. (I am not 100% sold on that one but they both are)

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: nightlife on March 19, 2008, 07:44:48 AM
Pirate88179, there is still to this day, no proof of a electrons existence. there has been said to be traces of one but those traces could as well be traces of a vibration. It is proven that vibrations can flow thru solid objects but it has yet to be proven that one solid object can flow thru another.

 As for Thrapp, I too am skeptical about some of the things he has said and I thought I would post it to see what you all on the earth battery thread thought about it. I didn't realize that you all already had talked about it. I must have missed it or over looked it already.

 As for the SMOT, I have yet to see one to prove there to be an over unity. I do a lot of research and view a lot of different energy devices. A few have interested me enough to actually think they may work but I found that they actually do not as they are said to work.

 I only have I hope left thus far and I am being very careful designing and building it so that I utilize every possible energy with in the design. It is a pulse motor.
 I do have one that I hope to experiment with on Thursday and that is the energy from fragrances. I don?t have much faith in it but it still has me curious enough to experiment with it.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Bulbz on March 19, 2008, 10:40:41 AM
Pirate88179, there is still to this day, no proof of a electrons existence. there has been said to be traces of one but those traces could as well be traces of a vibration. It is proven that vibrations can flow thru solid objects but it has yet to be proven that one solid object can flow thru another.

 As for Thrapp, I too am skeptical about some of the things he has said and I thought I would post it to see what you all on the earth battery thread thought about it. I didn't realize that you all already had talked about it. I must have missed it or over looked it already.

 As for the SMOT, I have yet to see one to prove there to be an over unity. I do a lot of research and view a lot of different energy devices. A few have interested me enough to actually think they may work but I found that they actually do not as they are said to work.

 I only have I hope left thus far and I am being very careful designing and building it so that I utilize every possible energy with in the design. It is a pulse motor.
 I do have one that I hope to experiment with on Thursday and that is the energy from fragrances. I don?t have much faith in it but it still has me curious enough to experiment with it.


If there is (as you say) "no proof of an electrons existence", how does one explain HHO or Browns-Gas ?. Aren't these produced by applying a voltage, that is said to pull on positive and negative electrons ?.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 19, 2008, 02:47:00 PM
one, no, but a vibration had to have started it.

 As far as the universe being all energy, I cant agree or disagree but as long as there are vibrations, there is energy and if there isn't vibrations, then there can not be energy.

 Energy being a vibration makes a whole lot more sense then it being electrons.


Personaly  I don't see  it as simple  as an electron  being  a vibration ..........what holds  the vibration together ?
 
What makes it  move  through  some  solids easier than others?   

Why  does electricity  move through  copper much easier  than  through air ?



I  got into  this conversation  when you  said


Quote
A movement can not be made with out another movement taking place first. The movement can not be made to create more energy then the energy used to move it.


A vibration is a movement .       now you seem to be saying that all   movement  started  with a vibration ...... yet .......... you said   the movement  can not be made to  create  more energy than the energy used to move it.

If the  universe  started as a vibration.........and then  became all the motion we now have ............it seems to me that there is very little EXCEPT  over unity .

If  you think about it ....... there is a a very small part of the universe that  " educated " people  tend to see as static  and  unmoving.. We   happen to  exist in that  domain.    If   you  look either larger or  smaller    it seems everyone agrees that  everything is moving. ...............how  could  it be possible  that  there is  less motion at the exact level that "physical  life" exists ?   





gary
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 19, 2008, 02:57:33 PM
Nightlife

Just  an observation

If you are going to ask  people to stick  with what is real and provable  ,  then  jump right  back into  your  unprovable  theorys   as if  they are  the only  truth  you   are going to  get alot  of  people thinking  of hot  air  or worse.


gary
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: allcanadian on March 19, 2008, 03:00:42 PM
@nightlife
I would agree with much of what you have said, my point is that many times we state our opinions as fact to be heard and I have made this mistake as well in the past. But opinions are not facts until they are proven in the real world thus opinions should be stated as opinions.

@bulbz
Quote
If there is (as you say) "no proof of an electrons existence", how does one explain HHO or Browns-Gas ?. Aren't these produced by applying a voltage, that is said to pull on positive and negative electrons ?.
I believe that no one has ever seen an electron, they have measured something but have no understanding of "what" this something is. It could just as easily be a standing wave giving the illusion of substance or tangible matter so I think we should keep an open mind.
One thing we do know is that electrons give the appearance of having a negative charge relative to protons considered positive. I had an interesting thought on this the other day, take a bar magnet---it has a north and south pole and directly inbeween these poles is the bloch wall a point of no magnetism. If the electron is negative and the proton positive and the neutron neutral then maybe the neutron has no existance-- it is the "bloch wall" between electrons and protons. If the neutron is possibly just a field boundary condition between charges mistaken as "something" then why not electrons and protons mistaken as matter as well.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 19, 2008, 03:12:36 PM
@nightlife
I would agree with much of what you have said, my point is that many times we state our opinions as fact to be heard and I have made this mistake as well in the past. But opinions are not facts until they are proven in the real world thus opinions should be stated as opinions.



Allcanadian   

I agree
It seems to me it is a little disrespectful  to  consistanntly  state  your  opinions as if it is  truth.    We all have opinions ........... mine  opinions are just as important as   any other persons  opinions.


Another little point
  there are quite a few " proven facts " that are really  only opinion. 
One  example  is  OU.   We are taught it is  impossible  in order to keep  the greedy in   power.

OU  is not easy .......but  I can't  accept that it is impossable.    the entire universe  is OU   ...........in my opinion


gary
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: nightlife on March 19, 2008, 03:25:08 PM
Bulbz, "If there is (as you say) "no proof of an electrons existence", how does one explain HHO or Browns-Gas ?. Aren't these produced by applying a voltage, that is said to pull on positive and negative electrons ?."

 I am sorry but it could also be said to pull on a positive vibration and a negative vibration which would make more sense.

 one, "what holds  the vibration together ?"

 Resistance

"What makes it  move  through  some  solids easier than others?"

 Resisistance levels of the solids they pass thru.

 "Why  does electricity  move through  copper much easier  than  through air ?"

 I am not really sure if that is correct. I think it does move through air easier becuase air has a lot less resistance then copper or any other substance. I think copper just holds it together better.

"A vibration is a movement .       now you seem to be saying that all   movement  started  with a vibration ...... yet .......... you said   the movement  can not be made to  create  more energy than the energy used to move it.

If the  universe  started as a vibration.........and then  became all the motion we now have ............it seems to me that there is very little EXCEPT  over unity .

If  you think about it ....... there is a a very small part of the universe that  " educated " people  tend to see as static  and  unmoving.. We   happen to  exist in that  domain.    If   you  look either larger or  smaller    it seems everyone agrees that  everything is moving. ...............how  could  it be possible  that  there is  less motion at the exact level that "physical  life" exists ?"

 I do not have all the answers but I feel that answers should be based within the realm common sense. Common sense tell us that something can not move unless something moved it. Then you have to use common sense when trying to create something from nothing. It cant be done. You can not create something from nothing. You can not get more then what you use. It may seam like it but you have to consider what is not seen that had to be added to make it look like you got more then you started with.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: nightlife on March 19, 2008, 03:31:23 PM
allcanadian, I agree that opinions are not facts and I will try not to post them as being a fact when they are merely my opinion.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 19, 2008, 04:23:15 PM

 I do not have all the answers but I feel that answers should be based within the realm common sense. Common sense tell us that something can not move unless something moved it. Then you have to use common sense when trying to create something from nothing. It cant be done. You can not create something from nothing. You can not get more then what you use. It may seam like it but you have to consider what is not seen that had to be added to make it look like you got more then you started with.

If  you can't create something  from nothing    the  physical universe could  not  have  started.

You  say  that  something  can't come  from nothing .................but  something  exists .    so where did it come from?

Before  the something was something ......it HAD to be nothing.








Copper  wire  is    a very  good conductor .
Air is a relativly good insulator.
The point  I  was trying to get to is .
If   electorons are  simply vibrations why don't they  respond  like  sound waves?  ........

glass  and  copper  react to sound  in similar ways  ...........but   electrons propagate  much  differently in them



gary 
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 19, 2008, 04:26:14 PM
@ nightlife:

Yes, I agree with the opinion part, I have them, we all have them.  I do have a question about your theory though....a vibration is a movement within or through a medium, right?  Well, at the sub-atomic level, if atoms and molecules do not exist as is thought, what do your vibrations move through?  Another question for you:  If you don't believe in the existence of o.u. but everything is made up of vibrations instead of electrons, etc.  what set the vibrations in motion at the big bang, or whatever event was the beginning of everything, and why are they still vibrating to this day without any other power input?

I mean this as a friendly thinking discussion, not an argument, ok?  It may be a chicken or the egg deal as to what came first, as in if there were no particles to vibrate, would there be vibration?  Also, if there were particles first, and then a vibration, where did the energy come from to start this vibration, and why is it still taking place without any additional energy input?

I personally believe that the universe and all of our systems are replete with elegant things taking place that we understand but a tiny percentage.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: nightlife on March 19, 2008, 04:44:19 PM
All, first of all, I hate getting off topic with in these threads becuase it takes to focus off the topic the thread was started for discussion.

 Lets pick a thread to discuss our opinions and keep our debates on our opinions there.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: tagor on March 19, 2008, 05:11:29 PM
what do your vibrations move through?  Another question for you:  If you don't believe in the existence of o.u. but everything is made up of vibrations instead of electrons, etc.  what set the vibrations in motion at the big bang, or whatever event was the beginning of everything, and why are they still vibrating to this day without any other power input?


see this :  http://www.glafreniere.com/matter.htm

MATTER  IS  MADE  OF  WAVES

" The material Universe is made purely out of Aether "

by Gabriel LaFreniere.  See The Blog for news about this site.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 19, 2008, 06:04:25 PM
The natives grow restless  Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Bulbz on March 19, 2008, 06:20:06 PM
Bulbz, "If there is (as you say) "no proof of an electrons existence", how does one explain HHO or Browns-Gas ?. Aren't these produced by applying a voltage, that is said to pull on positive and negative electrons ?."

 I am sorry but it could also be said to pull on a positive vibration and a negative vibration which would make more sense.

 one, "what holds  the vibration together ?"

 Resistance

"What makes it  move  through  some  solids easier than others?"

 Resisistance levels of the solids they pass thru.

 "Why  does electricity  move through  copper much easier  than  through air ?"

 I am not really sure if that is correct. I think it does move through air easier becuase air has a lot less resistance then copper or any other substance. I think copper just holds it together better.

"A vibration is a movement .       now you seem to be saying that all   movement  started  with a vibration ...... yet .......... you said   the movement  can not be made to  create  more energy than the energy used to move it.

If the  universe  started as a vibration.........and then  became all the motion we now have ............it seems to me that there is very little EXCEPT  over unity .

If  you think about it ....... there is a a very small part of the universe that  " educated " people  tend to see as static  and  unmoving.. We   happen to  exist in that  domain.    If   you  look either larger or  smaller    it seems everyone agrees that  everything is moving. ...............how  could  it be possible  that  there is  less motion at the exact level that "physical  life" exists ?"

 I do not have all the answers but I feel that answers should be based within the realm common sense. Common sense tell us that something can not move unless something moved it. Then you have to use common sense when trying to create something from nothing. It cant be done. You can not create something from nothing. You can not get more then what you use. It may seam like it but you have to consider what is not seen that had to be added to make it look like you got more then you started with.


I didn't mean to sound like I was debunking you, I just needed an answer so that I can see the universe from your point of view. Trust me... I am very open minded.  8)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 19, 2008, 08:35:30 PM
All, first of all, I hate getting off topic with in these threads becuase it takes to focus off the topic the thread was started for discussion.

 Lets pick a thread to discuss our opinions and keep our debates on our opinions there.


This is my  last comment  here on this  subject

Nightlife

I agree with  some of what  you  believe about   electrons .....I don't believe all if  it .    I don't think it can be that simple.
I can't  get past a question ......if it is a vibration  .........what is vibrating ?

I also  don't  agree with  all of   classic  electron theory  as taught in schools ......or all that is taught about electrons in quantum  theory

AN  electron is what it is .......I can observe  what it seems to be doing ........but I have no  answers  about what it is .


gary
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: nightlife on March 19, 2008, 11:30:20 PM
Bulbz, if you ever read something I have wrote and you disagree, please by all means try and "debunk" my opinion because there is a very good chance that I am wrong and if no one debates it with me, I may never find out I was wrong.

 one, well you have your opinions and I have mine and they make for good debates as long as we debate them with respect and open minds.

 I am not here to try and debunk anyone because I am not even close to being educated enough to do so, but I feel I do have a respectable level of common sense and when I read something that goes against what I feel is sensible, I will and do post my opinion.

 This thread is a prime example. I posted my opinion based on what I felt was sensible and or not sensible with in my level of common sense. Not that I should be considered right or wrong but one should at least keep an open mind to what I have to say and if anyone should still disagree, then by all means please debate it with me. I have learned a lot from debates and I have found others to do the same at times. Some debates have changed my opinion as well as my opinion has helped change others at times.

 I am hard headed as most are but don't think my opinions cant be changed and all others shouldn't feel their opinions cant be changed. Our individual levels of common sense will tend to side with what we find to be sensible regardless of how we felt before.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on March 19, 2008, 11:54:51 PM

Exactly...all sides of an issue should and must be explored...in the interest of discovery.

My opinion has changed so many times I can't remember what it once was. :)

Regards...

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 20, 2008, 02:00:22 AM
@ nightlife:

You still did not answer my questions.  If you don't have the answers, that's fine.  I too am interested in exploring ALL possibilities as no one KNOWS what is really what.  I guess it is sort of like religion.  Anyway, I am looking forward to Stefan interviewing this guy, if he gets the chance.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: nightlife on March 20, 2008, 02:31:29 AM
Pirate88179, "if atoms and molecules do not exist as is thought, what do your vibrations move through?"

 What? Who said atoms and molecules do not exist? Did I miss something?

"what set the vibrations in motion at the big bang, or whatever event was the beginning of everything, and why are they still vibrating to this day without any other power input?"

 Since we can not even begin to prove there was even a beginning, why should we even try to concern ourselves with what it may have been? Common sense tells us there must have been a beginning but the truth is unknown and left to our imagination. I try to stay away with things I can not begin to understand due to them being so mystical.
 I try to stick as close to reality as possible and the existence of a electron just does not exist in reality because it can not be seen and or detected where as vibrations can be detected and flow just as electrons are said to be able to flow but a electron is thought to be a solid and common sense tells us that a solid will not flow thru another solid.

 Your portrayal and all others that believe in a electron is that of a mystical theory that has not and can not be proven. A electron might as well be a god. Becareful, people will start worshiping this mystical electron. LOL

 

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: nightlife on March 20, 2008, 01:42:12 PM
Erfinder, that does make sense in a way but do to the fact that there are so many different frequency's, how would we go about tuning in to the dominant of all frequency's? Wouldn't that be a frequency that all frequency's evolve from? If so, wouldn't that mean that we still need to search for a pacific frequency?

 It's like scales of a frequency, I would think that all frequency's evolve from one frequency and then are broke down in to scales of frequency's and each one of those scales become its own frequency that again is broke down in to another scale. Is that kind of what you are saying?

 It seems to me that would be like searching for the answer of which came first, the egg or the chicken. Every living thing puts out it's own frequency. That would be explained by each having a distinct smell. Then we have frequency's that non living things emit when they are moved within a resistance.

 Man, you sure did open a whole new can of worms here but interesting to say the least.

 It seems to me that we would have to be able to detect the frequency's of living things and then find the dominate of those. Living things emit a frequency and they can and do emit frequency's with in there own frequency by way of resistance that all living things encounter.

 Just thinking out loud here.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Bulbz on March 20, 2008, 03:00:01 PM
The way that I think about the "fabric of space" is... Imagine that space is like a big-spherical bath sponge, and the planets and everything else in space are the air pockets inside the sponge. If you were to flick the sponge or squash and distort it, everywhere else in the sponge is also affected.

I know that it may sound rather "child-like", but it's the inner child inside of us that makes the discoveries.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: nightlife on March 20, 2008, 03:48:09 PM
Erfinder, I see what you are saying and I guess that takes me to another level that I have tried to stay away from do to the mystery that surrounds it. This concept you speak of is more in a sense of a spiritual energy which takes us to another level that would be impossible to detect.
 
 Keely was very much in to harmonics and it is a shame that most all his work has vanished.

 Confused? Yes, I am as most are, other wise we would know all these answers.

 At this time, all we can do is go back as far as the beginning of motion. We can no way detect what started the original motion but we can say that motion is were everything evolves from. We know this because of every substance having a limit on the amount of vibration it can withstand before splitting apart.

 Take two particles and split them apart and then split those split parts apart. then take and compress some of the parts together and split them and continue to do this but in different multiple?s of particles and we end up with trillions of different particles that will continue to be split up and compressed with more and create more different substances. The vibrations in which compresses them would be where they get their vibration limit from. IMO

You opened a whole new thought in the back of my head that I have not ever mentioned. LOL

 If we are going to have to go back to the start of time, then we must realize that a vibration had to play a part in it. It takes a vibration to split something. The something is what you are searching for by the way I understand what you have said. That to me would be kind of a spiritual search. There has to be a substance to split but yet there has to be a vibration to split it.

 So what came first, the vibration or the substance?

 You seem to be after stillness as in nothing. How could we ever have nothing and then acquire a substance and or a vibration? That to me is a spiritual question that could never be answered nor detected.

 

 
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 20, 2008, 04:12:23 PM
Thought I might chime in..... 

WHAT FOLLOWS IS FOOD FOR THOUGHT ONLY!

The radio interview was for the most part VERY BORING to say the least.  Right when I was about to turn if off he said something that stopped me dead in my tracks.  TUNING TO THE DOMINANT. 

My opinion.......He knows what he is talking about!!!! 

Tuning your device to its resonant frequency will destroy your machine, we should know this by now, we have numerous examples of what happens when things are allowed to ring at their resonant frequency....(Bridges collapse, glass shatters...ect....ect.....) The fact that our machines are not running away, and or falling apart, violently should indicate to us that they are not operating at their "resonant" frequencies. Some may argue that what I just indicated is not true, and you would only be half right!  The condition of resonance in these systems which tend self destruct is one which the established resonance is MECHANICAL AS WELL AS ELECTRICAL!  Those who would argue are only concerned and or aware of the electrical resonance of the components in their devices!  Many of you are desirous of a solid state device, one with no moving components, and through this choice cut yourselves off from half of your potential power.

MECHANICAL EXCITATION + ELECTRICAL EXCITATION IN RESONANCE = RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If tuning to the resonant results in things falling apart, then tuning to the dominant should cause things to pull together.....

We require mechanical and electrical excitation but instead of going for resonance we should be tuning to the dominant.  Through trial and error Tesla, Keely and others destroyed countless machines.  All these machines were allowed to operate at their mechanical and electrical resonant frequencies.  This at times resulted in the devices being completely destroyed.  Keely was the first to tune to the dominant, followed by Stubblefield, and Tesla.

Tuning to the dominate should not be interpreted as tuning into a specific frequency, as frequency in and of itself is one part of a whole.  Up till this point the majority of us have only been concerned with frequency and pulse width modulation.  This will bring us into and out of electrical resonance in our circuits more or less, but will not bring us in tune with the dominant as a very important circuit characteristic is missing!  In order to tune to the dominant many things have to be understood which are presently not even considered and or are totally ignored. To get an idea of how it should be accomplished one should reference information written on the works of John Worrell Keely.....Tesla attempted to simplify the works of Keely by focusing on electricity and magnetism specifically, and the associated principles of harmonics. 

Here friends we step off the paved path!  Here you are in no mans land!  In this land the things work backward.  It is voltage not current which is king, self induced voltage dominates over applied voltages.  In this land frequencies and potentials are high.

Remember I my opening statement food for thought!


Regards

Erfinder

I am glad you  brought this up.

My  reaction  to   your post was something like .........I can't  believe it .........someone  gets it.

:)

My   understanding  of  these kinds of things   is limited.
I have spent most of my life  working with mechanical systems .....not elecrtrical.
I  only have a high school education so I can't follow the math .

 .


In a previous  post I  stated that I  thought  that  high voltage  is important .   There  was no  response
Although  high  voltage is   ignored   by almost everyone here ..... I believe it is  one of the keys  to OU.

Tesla first became  aware of  radiant  energy  when watching   high  voltage DC power lines  being switched on. .There   was a blue  static  glow around the wires for a fraction of a second .   No one else thought that  it was important.   

In  the delay line   generator  video  ........ how many  volts  was that battery  supply?
One  car battery  would provide much more current ........and cost   only a fraction of  the price .     Those 9 volt  battery's are not  cheap.     Why  would he  use  hundreds of dollars  worth of  9 volt  battery's   if  high voltage  wasn't  required?

.In the  TPU thread  SM   suggested  starting out with  tubes .   From the  first  time  a read that  I had a very strong feeling that  the  reason to start with tubes is because higher  voltages  are "normal" for tubes .  ( compared  to ICs )

SM  talked  about kicking   the coil .......in my  opinion   you can  push the coil  with your foot   with low  voltage.........but to kick it  you need high  voltage.
If  I   put  foot against    any part  of your body  and  push as hard as I can .....   you  will probably  fall down ...... but probably won't be hurt. 
If I  aim at that  same part  of your  body   and  kick it as hard  as I can ...........it is  going to leave a mark .
Same  power  applied ......  but  higher  voltage  gets more done .


gary







Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: one on March 20, 2008, 04:55:16 PM

Quote

You have to understand that all evolves out of one substance.  All frequencies do evolve from one and each from the other, no argument here.  However it must be understood that frequency = motion.  Motion is not cause, it is effect, and because it is effect, it is secondary to something higher!  Everything vibrates with exception of the one thing responsible for causing all perceivable vibrations!  The science of vibration being taught in schools does not explain nor account for the phenomena of standing wave, nor does your concept of vibration incorporate them!     


Erfinder

This makes perfect sense to me ...........but I don't have a clue how to apply it.

Lets  say  I want to  try to extract  power from an LC circuit
I can  hit  it with  a voltage at its  resonant  frequency .........but that is  making motion with motion.
How do you  create cause  within the circuit?

The  closest  I can  come to understanding  how to create cause within the  circuit is  what I would  call the  Daniel Pomerleau effect .      In effect  creating cause  by simply  choosing  for it to work . 


gary

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 20, 2008, 05:28:58 PM
Erfinder
I am glad you  brought this up.
My  reaction  to   your post was something like .........I can't  believe it .........someone  gets it.

walter russell
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 20, 2008, 06:17:11 PM
The radio interview was for the most part VERY BORING to say the least.  Right when I was about to turn if off he said something that stopped me dead in my tracks.  TUNING TO THE DOMINANT.

that too again (tuning to the dominant), with the mentions of stubblefield, keely, moray, these are the reasons why im persisting in at least looking at WITTS, and attempting to assist them in digitization processes. or anything. theres something here that not many have tapped or mentioned, and that is extremely refreshing, also, unexpected.

what i immediately wanted to know was - has thrapp studied the writings of walter russell? then i thought about their (mentioned) 28 year development process and i thought, maybe not, they would have had the perfect answers already had they gone to russell. they seem to be tuned in such a way, at least as individuals, that they could comprehend it, or maybe do, but without mentioning it anywhere..

Keely was the first to tune to the dominant, followed by Stubblefield, and Tesla.

the image that emerged from thrapp's mentioning of stubblefield somehow being able to tune to the dominant, and how, where did he go for advice (and the refers  that can be taken as "going inside") .. theres something that thrapp is leaving unsaid because he knows it would mostly fall on skeptical and shut ears.

Tuning to the dominate should not be interpreted as tuning into a specific frequency, as frequency in and of itself is one part of a whole.

you are spilling some wonderful beans on this thread and im not sure people are really willing to recognize what it is thats being spoken about, again, i'd come at this less with speculation and more with authority had i done the homework that has been recommended, over and over. my loss, as time seems to be short.

No.  I didn't say dominant frequeny!  I said DOMINANT!  Don't assume that the source of all frequencies is itself a frequency.  Motion extends from stillness, the dominant then, represents stillness.  What I am suggesting is the concept of a neutral center.  This was mentioned by one who's works are shrouded in mystery and conspiracy.  John Worrell Keely.

this has confused me to no end for quite some time, i was always attempting to find the magic frequency, and then i'd always scoff at other people for demanding the magic formula or magic geometry when it seemed to me that something deeper had to be understood in order to replicate the work. something more than freq,formula,measurement device/geometry.
that some are deterred from their studies into understanding what the silent, static stillness  is,  by outdated opinions on the spiritual  is a shame but again  goes almost without saying.

You have to understand that all evolves out of one substance.  All frequencies do evolve from one and each from the other, no argument here.  However it must be understood that frequency = motion.  Motion is not cause, it is effect, and because it is effect, it is secondary to something higher!  Everything vibrates with exception of the one thing responsible for causing all perceivable vibrations!  The science of vibration being taught in schools does not explain nor account for the phenomena of standing wave, nor does your concept of vibration incorporate them!

would it be safe, and nonconfusing, to say that they are forgetting of the silent still fulcrum?
one day i will understand the wave and then know what people say when they say standing wave. its not as simple as some who are right now jumping in to "explain" it to me - using wikipedia,  think it is to explain..

Recognize that we all share the same source.  It is immovable, perfectly still throughout eternity, through this steadfast stillness it supports all things, and centers all things.  It stabilizes from without, and centers all from within.  We are vibrations in this stillness.  We extend from it, in it, emerge from it like a tree evolves (unfolds) from a seed!  The principle on which this evolution is based is the same for all physical and non physical manifestations.  This principle reigns true on all levels, physical, molecular, inner molecular, atomic, inner atomic, all the way into the infinite, which is where motion ends and stillness IS.

so we extend from the seed just as  a thought extends from knowledge, i feel like this is accurate but i am not sure.

As I said before you really sound confused.  Anyway determining the frequencies of things in the way you are implying would be a complete and utter waste of time, and could not be accomplished anyones life time as many have discovered!  Luckily a means was devised through which these frequencies you seek are identified without effort.  Good thing for us the truth was known by at least one in this regard.
Quote:
"Every molecule in nature represents without variation, the same chord.   Variations that show  up in the mass chord of different visible aggregations, are accounted for by the non-uniformity of their groupings.  If all were molecularly homogeneous, the chord masses of all structures would be perfectly alike in their resonant impulses."
End Quote.
LOL....  Thats a mouth full.

and since this does seem to speak about chords, is this keely then? :) just making sure!

Up till this point the majority of us have only been concerned with frequency and pulse width modulation.  This will bring us into and out of electrical resonance in our circuits more or less, but will not bring us in tune with the dominant as a very important circuit characteristic is missing!  In order to tune to the dominant many things have to be understood which are presently not even considered and or are totally ignored. To get an idea of how it should be accomplished one should reference information written on the works of John Worrell Keely.....Tesla attempted to simplify the works of Keely by focusing on electricity and magnetism specifically, and the associated principles of harmonics. 
Here friends we step off the paved path!  Here you are in no mans land!  In this land the things work backward.  It is voltage not current which is king, self induced voltage dominates over applied voltages.  In this land frequencies and potentials are high.

yes. it is tihs chasm that always seems to loom. i've seen this, similar "effect" in a couple of projects, where, a few first things to do are simple to explain, once enough research has been done, but when it goes into recovering reactive power, these devices are almost like "where there be dragons". the decision to go further than what is available in normal sources of information, seems to be rarely made and if haphazardly done, rarely kept.

this seems to be changing tho.


potential energy  that can be made kinetic?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: innovation_station on March 20, 2008, 07:47:54 PM
my my guys...

of course im still learning  .....   and let this be know   my thoughts are my own illusion! :P  or my  inability to comprehend...

ist
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on March 20, 2008, 09:21:08 PM
Hello gentleman,

I have had a thought after reading some of the other threads in this forum.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4319.msg83984.html#msg83984 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4319.msg83984.html#msg83984)

What if Turz is correct in addition to, here is my hunch; The 20 minute maximum running time of the TPU was NOT due to overheating but the run down of the battery. Mr Steven Mark could never get the device to power itself, that is why the only videos available are the 'first generation of idea pro-mos' to promote funding. In the end, the idea was given up on with it's final action being a slip in to obscurity. Until recently.

What we have with Mr Thrapp' s motor is the same principle but on a much larger scale, with it's clever variation. He was able to get it to self run and produce power enough to light 900watts (not confirmed) of incandescent bulbs.

Didn't he say he/they studied Tesla?

"Interestingly Wound Motor"

Patent #381,970

From the patent lines 53 onwards;

Quote
I use a core A, which is closed upon itself that is to say, of an aunular(sic) cylindrical or equivalent form and as the efficiency of the apparatus is largely increased by the subdivision of this core I make of thin strips, plates, or wires of soft iron electrically insulated as far as practicable.  Upon this core by any well known method, I wind, say, four coils B B B' B', which I use as primary coils, and for which I use long lengths of comparatively fine wire. Over these coils I then wind shorter coils of coarser wire, C C C' C', to constitute the induced or secondary coils. The construction of this or any equivalent form of converter may be carried further, as above pointed out, by inclosing these coils with iron as, for example, by winding over the coils a layer or layers of insulated iron wire.


"efficiency of the apparatus is largely increased"  ......  By how much?

"construction of this or any other equivalent form of converter may be carried further"  ......   hmmm

That could be a description of a TPU or what we see in the WITS video.

The WITS variation puts the generator inside the coils.

Magnetostriction  kicks keep it going when it is up to speed.

Does Magnetostriction travel at a certain speed?

From the patent line 23;

Quote
that as the generator coils revolve points of greatest magnetic intensity in the converter will be progressively shifted or whirled around

Would that set up a pumping/bouncing motion in the Ether contained in the iron/copper converter ? The energy removed from the system via the coils would simply bounce back out of the Ether.



Remember, I started with a presumption with a hunch tacked on!
Please don't tear me apart if this is nonsense. But that patent keeps showing up:)
381,970
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: nightlife on March 21, 2008, 01:53:04 AM
Erfinder, "The dual natured vibration which nature repeats ad infinium in all of her doings is centered by stillness. A  polarized mass of metal is a testament to this truth."

 Now I think I know what you are talking about. It would be like the stillness between a north and south pole of a magnet. Or a centered pressure point between two forces.

 I was thinking you were referring to the start of time. Sorry.

 How would we go about tuning in the center between two frequency's? This seems to me like it would be impossible to do since the center would have no vibration to be able to tune in. How do we tune in a signal if the signal doesn?t have a vibration? How can a signal be a signal with out having a vibration?

 You were right, I cant comprehend what you are saying. It is beyond what my level of common sense can relate to. Sorry to frustrate you with my ignorance and I will now leave this alone unless by some chance I just happen wake up and see this in a different way then I do right now.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 21, 2008, 06:05:32 PM
G'day all,

I wonder how many suckers they get to put money into their scam.

Hans von Lieven

hello Hans.
you, as a john keely interested -person, i'd say you'd have something of consequence to say to this video of theirs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06iCfowinUM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06iCfowinUM)

can't wait to hear your analysis on this one :)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 21, 2008, 06:17:57 PM
Hi All, I got an email from John and we are discussing now first privately, if and how an interview can be done and under what conditions.  If the outcome is positive, I will let you all know.  Many thanks for your patience. Regards, Stefan.

what was the end result, please?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 21, 2008, 07:04:02 PM
ESA you stated a few days ago that Mr Thrapp had sent you a contact number  for the purpose of assisting a new video release  Hows that going ? seems like the hottest leade to date !! Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 21, 2008, 07:15:54 PM
ramset..
i got in touch wanting a dvd or two, they said they've stopped doing those and instaed post on youtube, i sent them money, they said 3 have been posted on youtube, i said i had already sent them, they said it would take their volunteers some time to post materials, and then i volunteered to digitize them for them. they sent me thrapp's phonenumber, told me to call him, and asked if im from the states. i decided not to yet call him, and told them i am from finland. we then spoke about sorting out the digitization process, and i asked them would they want to send them to my mate, who could send them to me, or  if they'd like me to send them the postage amount so they could afford to send the energy dvds. i didnt get a response for 2 days so today i mailed them again and asked about if they'd be ok if i sent them a similar sum next month and asked if they'd agree to sending energy dvd's my way for digitization.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 21, 2008, 07:23:02 PM
ESA  maybe you could tell them you have friends in USA that could /would perform this service on a volunteer basis also  Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 21, 2008, 07:36:09 PM
ESA  perhaps Stephan can call Mr Thrapp to discuss this   we have people here that can do this  any way Mr Thrapp is comfortable with      Chet    PS yes I volunteer
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 21, 2008, 08:19:54 PM
They have not yet emailed back again. Just one email so far with no concrete information.
If somebody knows the phone number of Mr. Thrapp, please send it to me via private email and I will call him. As I can call the USA for free it is no problem for me to call around in the USA.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Thaelin on March 21, 2008, 09:03:09 PM
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Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on March 21, 2008, 09:58:36 PM
hi all, mi not sure if this will make any sence at all , BUT, lets say you have a magnet say the size of a brick, and the N pole and S pole are swtiching back and forth fairly quckly , would it feel like its vibrating ?. if you were to place some kind of coil at each end would it pick up a pulse of some kind that could be used ?.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bolt on March 21, 2008, 11:49:50 PM
The most convincing videos i ever seen on youtube since the tpu release. The guy talks like its just common place knowledge to have this power and technology  and not like a hyped up scam. Its a bit like someone asking if they never seen anything more then a horse and trap before go on to find out if you vehicle that goes fast,  runs on gas and you say "yes of course" and then ask if you have others and you reply  "yes i have 3 cars and they easily do over 100 MPH". When you been around the technology for 20 years or longer you don't have the same shrill as one  that has just (re) invented something yesterday. To him as he said that technology is now old even for their standards. If someone is pulling a con trick they wouldn't use such a crappy old motor. The set up would be more modern to give a false scientific approach like stick some blue LEDs on it to look like something out of Star Trek :) Unfortunately the latest Searl device fits the latter perfectly!

The great authenticity for me is when he switched over from mains to self running the motor speed dropped a tad exactly as one would expect and he then tweaked the variac transformer up a just a bit to compensate.

The water heater was great too i love it. We all seen so much of the theory to know this exists. Its been duplicated by a few other inventors in the past.  Brute force heating is not required its just a by product thats about 1% efficient of how it could be done.  Even without TPU technology the water heater could power the heating and hot water for your home in winter for the cost of a PP3 battery.

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 22, 2008, 01:22:54 AM
I just spoke with Sir Timothy Thrapp for about 1 hour on the phone
and it was a very interesting conversation.

He said, that his ministry group already has this technology since about 20 years
and he did already many live demonstrations which many people witnessed and have seen it already,
but they were told not to post about it on the Internet.

When I have understood it correctly his ministry is a worldwide organisation
and only from this year on they were allowed to talk now more about it publically
and finally release this stuff on the Internet.

They are now getting very many emails a day sometimes about 200 to 800
emails per day and just can?t answer them all.

He has not yet made up his mind , when I understood it correctly,
(it was a long distance call from Germany to the USA and the sound quality was not too good...)
how they will go forward with the technology and
people should still be patient.

He said, they want to mass produce these units and they need to collect money for
this reason to setup manufacturing plants.

I will be in contact soon again with him and he might do an interview with me.
So ALL please be patient.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on March 22, 2008, 02:05:35 AM
 :)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bolt on March 22, 2008, 02:28:42 AM
Thats good news Stefan but with many years of doing this comprising of volunteers world wide  i think they have been waiting for the time when society embraces the technology so they can be rewarded for their decades of effort. I dont see them give this stuff away for free certainly not in the early stages till they begin to get more readily acceptable in the market place.

Thrapp said in his radio interview that the cloud of suppression is beginning to get relaxed over the last 2 years and we can all see with our own eyes on here that the pace is accelerating to a common free energy goal. This is greatly helped with sources as this website and others like youtube which are bringing snips of alternatives into  the public domain.

Likewise a final point  is the oil companies may very well know their days are coming to an end so they will ramp up the price of oil to extreme levels perhaps 200-300 dollars a barrel in the next couple of years to make a final killing. This may explain the sudden massive surge in oil price over the last 2 years and as Thrapp suggest its controlled by the "super rich" that control even the worlds population on what medical advances are allowed and what is not. Oil price is not driven by demand only greed.  As even when it becomes common knowledge that a device exists then it will take some 5 or 10 years to fully encompass globally new technology into every day life.

Im am not sure we will ultimately be better off in terms of wealth but the planet might last a bit longer.  As the governments loses revenue of taxable fuels other taxes will HAVE to rise to compensate. So the fact it wont cost a dime to travel 500 miles in your car you will pay per mile instead billed via GPS as a travel tax. Income tax will have to soar to compensate loss of consumption tax.

I guess we cross that bridge as it comes.

PS Stefan i cant believe you phoned the ministry on Easter Friday LOL
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 22, 2008, 03:15:25 AM
From famine to FEAST I certainly hope so     Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 22, 2008, 06:55:18 AM
if any of you web wizards can figure this one out, this is one of the first links coming from "Timothy Thrapp" searches:
"Evolved Technology by Timothy Thrapp"
http://geocities.com/evolvedtechnology (http://geocities.com/evolvedtechnology).
http://thrapp.da.ru/ (http://thrapp.da.ru/)


the website itself attempts to connect to
http://www.evolvedtechnology.slabaugh.org (http://www.evolvedtechnology.slabaugh.org)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 22, 2008, 08:57:13 AM
@ Stefan:

Good work.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 22, 2008, 09:04:13 AM
if any of you web wizards can figure this one out, this is one of the first links coming from "Timothy Thrapp" searches:
"Evolved Technology by Timothy Thrapp"
http://geocities.com/evolvedtechnology (http://geocities.com/evolvedtechnology).
http://thrapp.da.ru/ (http://thrapp.da.ru/)


the website itself attempts to connect to
http://www.evolvedtechnology.slabaugh.org (http://www.evolvedtechnology.slabaugh.org)

It appears that Timothy Thrapp and one Prof/Dr. J. Gruber of RaumenergieDVR ( http://www.dvr-raumenergie.de (http://www.dvr-raumenergie.de) )
were networking together at one point in time, according to this article:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elraanis.de%2Ffrontend%2Fnewspaper_show.php4%3Factiv_cat1%3D7%26activ_id%3D256&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elraanis.de%2Ffrontend%2Fnewspaper_show.php4%3Factiv_cat1%3D7%26activ_id%3D256&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8)

it might be interesting to get in touch with said Gruber.. or to find the Don Kelly article where he speaks of Timothy Thrapp and WITS.

"1. Better Improvement Technologies (WITs)
Bereits vor drei Jahren hatte Don Kelly in seiner Zeitschrift ?Space Energy?6 ?ber die Firma ?Better Improvement Technologies? berichtet. Prof. Dr. Dr. Dr. h.c. Josef Gruber, Pr?sident der Deutschen Vereinigung f?r Raumenergie, hatte sich mit Timothy Thrapp, dem damaligen Koordinator der Firma WITs in Nord Amerika in Verbindung gesetzt. Aus den Unterlagen geht hervor, dass WITs im Jahr 1988 gegr?ndet worden war und sich auf alternative Energietechnologien und Beseitigung von Umweltsch?den spezialisiert hat. Das Unternehmen soll zahlreiche Labors besitzen und hochrangige Wissenschaftler und Ingenieure verpflichtet haben. Sie sollen zahlreiche Prototypen von Maschinen entwickelt und getestet haben, die mit Gravitationsenergie laufen oder direkt Wasser verbrennen. Es seien auch revolution?re Technologien auf dem Gebiet der Umweltverbesserung entwickelt worden, so z.B. zur Luft- und Wasserreinigung oder zur Umwandlung von Abfallmaterialien in n?tzliche D?ngerstoffe.

Zu den herausragenden Erfindungen im Bereich der Energietechnologie z?hlten Autoantriebe, die ausschlie?lich mit Wasser und Luft funktionieren, elektrische Generatoren, die keinen mechanischen Antrieb ben?tigen und ein Haus oder ein Auto mit Energie versorgen k?nnen. Sie verf?gten auch ?ber rein mechanische Systeme, die nach dem Starten autonom laufen und f?r jede Leistungsklasse hergestellt werden k?nnen, sowie ?ber Antigravitationsmaschinen, die sowohl im irdischen Luftraum als auch im Weltraum einsatzf?hig sind oder sich auch im Wasser oder innerhalb fester Erde (!) fortbewegen k?nnen.


2. Evolved Technology (ET)

Die Firma ?Evolved Technology?7, die offenbar aus dem Unternehmen WITs hervorgegangen ist, vermarktet seit dem Jahr 2002 exklusiv und weltweit ein autonomes Batterie-Ladeger?t. Dieses unter der Bezeichnung Omni Charger vorgestellte Ger?t liefert konstant 500 Watt elektrische Leistung und kann z.B. direkt in elektrische Trottinets oder in entsprechender Anzahl auch in Elektroautos eingebaut werden. Die US-Elektroautofirma ZAP (Zero Air Pollution) hat sich bereits im Juli 2002 die Rechte zum Einbau in ihre Elektroautos gesichert. Entsprechend umger?stete Elektroautos erreichen mit den w?hrend der Fahrt nachgeladenen Batterien eine dreimal h?here Reichweite, das hei?t, rund 300 Kilometer. F?r die anschlie?ende Aufladung der Batterien wird kein Netzanschluss ben?tigt. Eine Weiterentwicklung des Ger?tes soll k?nftig die st?ndige Nachladung w?hrend der Fahrt erm?glichen (?hnlich wie Tilleys Ladetechnologie).

Das innovative Unternehmen hat in den letzten f?nf Jahren weltweit neue Technologien im Bereich Energie, Verkehr, Gesundheit und Umweltverbesserung getestet und aufgekauft. Interessierte Investoren k?nnen sich mit einer Mindestbeteiligung von 1 Mio. US-Dollar in das Unternehmen einkaufen und erhalten daf?r einen Aktienanteil von 1 Prozent. Bestimmte Technologien werden auch zum Verkauf angeboten und k?nnen vom K?ufer weiterentwickelt werden. Bevor die Technologie der neuen Ladeger?te in Serie gehen soll, will ET ihre eigene Finanzbasis durch Verkauf von Lizenzen an Gro?firmen wie Sony, Mitshubishi, JVC, Fujitsu, Panasonic u. a. auf ca. 50 Mio. USD aufstocken. Laut ihrem Businessplan sch?tzt die Firma, dass innerhalb von 3 Jahren nach Start der Produktion 3 Millionen St?ck verkauft werden k?nnen, was einen Profit (Return on Invest) von 400 Mio. US-Dollar ergibt.
Au?er dem OmniCharger wird noch ein gr??eres Ger?t angeboten, das vor allem f?r autonome station?re Energie-systeme gedacht ist und an einer Welle mechanische Leistung abgibt (l?uft ebenfalls ohne Treibstoff). Es hat die Bezeichnung Newton und liefert 5 kW.
Das dritte System, Excalibur genannt, ist wiederum voll elektronisch und liefert Leistungen im Bereich von 1 bis 10 kW. Es ist sehr kompakt gebaut und soll innerhalb eines Jahres serienreif sein. F?r dieses Ger?t, das patentiert ist, wer-den derzeit weltweit Lizenzen angeboten."

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 22, 2008, 09:20:30 AM
"Also, Tim Thrapp of Ohio and Walt Parsons of Florida have built the Hendershot device. Thrapp's successfully "produces about 10 watts continuously with no electrical input (self-running).""
from http://www.svensons.com/Energy/hendershot.html (http://www.svensons.com/Energy/hendershot.html)

again, the 900watt description says "This is a result of studying the pioneers such as Tesla, Moray, Hendershot and 20 years of work by a team of top scientists along with several million in R & D."

this 20 year venture project seems to have started when Timothy Thrapp heard an interview of Bruce De Palma, rung him up and started collecting information on free energy technologies - this, in 1988. (Bruce De Palma connection is from the Jeane Manning article on Tim Thrapp)

i dunno, could we at least treat him like a human being instead of bashing him for his faith, etc? Bob Boyce, Daniel Dingel, Bruce De Palma,  a replication of the Hendershot machine and the Keely heater  etc etc.  for a hoax he sure gets around in the past 20 years. i've as of now not heard of a hoax  going to the trouble to visiting people  in other countries  to comprehend their technologies, etc.





Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: helmut on March 22, 2008, 12:03:47 PM
if any of you web wizards can figure this one out, this is one of the first links coming from "Timothy Thrapp" searches:
"Evolved Technology by Timothy Thrapp"
http://geocities.com/evolvedtechnology (http://geocities.com/evolvedtechnology).
http://thrapp.da.ru/ (http://thrapp.da.ru/)


the website itself attempts to connect to
http://www.evolvedtechnology.slabaugh.org (http://www.evolvedtechnology.slabaugh.org)

@esaruoho
I have tryed to open the links ..but without succsess
is it possible,that here in germany this sites are on a index
or is the server realy dead?
Perhaps you or someone else can help.

helmut
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 22, 2008, 12:21:29 PM
helmut thats my whole point. they dont work.
i went through http://web.archive.org/*/URL

but didnt get much of any kind of a website out of any of them, or any of the other WITS/WITTS things that have fallen into disrepair over the times.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on March 22, 2008, 12:48:27 PM

Its clear to me that Mr.Thrapp indeed has free energy technology in his possession...and that as indicated above he has collaborated with others to gain the knowledge...and that that info can be had be contacting people who he's had contact with.

To me his shifty soliciting style simply in indicative of attempts to collect manufacturing tooling funding...so that he could get a jump on the market and make an initial windfall from early production start - before the design gets copied by other bulders.

Excellent research folks.

Regards...

 
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 22, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
Mr Thrapp  appears torn himself in this regaurd    we can only hope his God gives him more of a burden to share with the rest of us   to me there is no disputing his claims   at this point he has to much credibility by association Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 22, 2008, 03:58:32 PM
this is from that old 2001   sterling d. allan article:
http://web.archive.org/*/http://home.earthlink.net/~projectspark/ (http://web.archive.org/*/http://home.earthlink.net/~projectspark/)
http://web.archive.org/*/http://home.earthlink.net/~projectspark/mission.html (http://web.archive.org/*/http://home.earthlink.net/~projectspark/mission.html)
*ET: Evolved Technologies - the most complete dealer website for WITs, also includes non WITs items.  A glimpse.


let me know what you discover.

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 22, 2008, 04:05:18 PM
ESA  maybe you could tell them you have friends in USA that could /would perform this service on a volunteer basis also  Chet

i've told them this - lets see what happens.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 22, 2008, 04:35:36 PM
ESA  This has huge POTENTIAL thankyou for the number to Stephan    and I believe Stephan should orchestrate any such involvement  for credibility reasons   Hopefully the theme of this site AND the worldwide membership will carry some weight with Mr THRAPP  Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on March 22, 2008, 09:09:59 PM


As a 'patent for profit' holder myself, (not relating to free energy) I can appreciate an inventor's desire and right to be compensated for the fruits of their labor.

Having said that I believe I can also say that Mr. Tharp, myself, and each and every one of us are morally and ethically obligated to open source any technology which could possibly bail the world out of this energy/ecology crisis it is in right now.

To me, withholding such a desperately needed resource creates a major disconnect with any legitimately true Christan values.

Not meant to offend, just offering another perspective to the discussion.

Regards...

 
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bolt on March 23, 2008, 03:18:06 AM
The final decision of payment details would surely have been a group response and not just what Thrapp decides in the initial public release. Many scientist and technicians may have only joined the foundation on a voluntary/pepper income basis that when the time is right people will pay and they all get rewarded. It may be a non profit foundation but trust me expenses can soon add up when the money comes rolling in:)

 Im sure there would be very heated discussions for those that joined 10 years ago on a future cash reward basis to be told next week "sorry guys we are going open source and your getting bugger all." 

They may not want to get stinking rich but i bet they are looking for something that goes towards a nice retirement plan. Who can blame them man cant live on bread alone?  The foundation is not money shy they don't mind extracted donations of 100 bucks for a quick chat or 5 million for a working device.


 I don't really want this to go down the open source debate again as several threads exists already but seemingly these guys have had the technology for years and don't require an open source effort to find it.

According to Thrapps radio interview they are getting a bigger nod and wink now to ease this forwards and they are looking for manufacturing facilities and setting up websites. Apparently they were warned in the past NOT to put up a website which is why i don't think you will find one.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 23, 2008, 05:35:22 PM
heres something I've been working on from this site , you may find interesting. http://www.nikhef.nl/~erichn/chgtype/chopp.html    There is a lot of other info on this site that you may find as a good resource.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 24, 2008, 09:07:30 AM
bad news everyone.
sterling d. allan <-> timothy thrapp  31st march 2008  interview has been "postponed".
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on March 24, 2008, 10:14:27 AM
it seems to be %0 working machines that we can test and replicate for your/our  friends and family and%100 scams and excuses, and im not just talking about this thread, im talking about everything period, and i know there are going to be people who disagree with what ive just said, but i guess its just to close to the truth for ya then. :P
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on March 24, 2008, 01:59:34 PM
bad news everyone.
sterling d. allan <-> timothy thrapp  31st march 2008  interview has been "postponed".


Yes, he already told me on the phone, that he was not happy, how Sterling handled and reported about his case.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 24, 2008, 02:41:12 PM
bad news everyone.sterling d. allan <-> timothy thrapp  31st march 2008  interview has been "postponed".
Yes, he already told me on the phone, that he was not happy, how Sterling handled and reported about his case.

yeah i see sterling edited away the "amish, tractor, no electricity, strange money managing". i read the article and i always wondered why there had to be so much "alleged" etc, like, obvious barbs, etc.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on March 24, 2008, 03:23:15 PM
TO find a completely friendly venue is very hard to do   Thicker skin would be nice for Mr Thrapp  I wouldn't say this is a lost cause yet  perhaps  Stephan can remind him we have people here that would volunteer to come and film some more videos  to further  his efforts in his ministries   Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 25, 2008, 02:27:21 AM
ramset, all thrapp needs to do is come here on this thread and see people goin off about religion, beards, amish , and how its all a scam - and then  stefan hartmann's case of interviewing him to find out the truth    will be shot to all hell.
its so easy to slag people off and its so hard to detract it afterwards, when the damage is done.

maybe i need to get together questions and interview him for MERLib.org which doesnt contain any personal attacks at thrapp / WITTS. and wont.

btw.
jeane manning interviewed thrapp in 2005.
http://light1998.com/ar-pdf's/52all.pdf (http://light1998.com/ar-pdf's/52all.pdf)
    * Atlantis Rising No. 52 - 2005 (http://light1998.com/ar-pdf's/52all.pdf); p 17,58
          o Jeane Manning : "Breakthrough Inventions & Divine Intervention"

                + "Thrapp says demonstrations have been videotaped. Unfortunately for his company, the tape that?s floating around in the wider community, videotaped by a man outside the company, is the only one Thrapp didn?t approve for circulation. He says it?s the only tape in which the company doesn?t show the inner workings of the invention. No, I haven?t seen the other tapes, and that annoys me."
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Eniac5state on March 28, 2008, 07:15:26 PM
People.

I myself am not so insulted but more putoff by displayed stupidity of these posters here. Sorry to say,
but it looks like these people have been recruited from the likes of youtube ? ??? Some are well meaning but the others... Always waiting for somebody else to give them something. Why not research yourself ?
And secondly why does it have to be always OU ? I give you an example.
We all need cheap energy so what about a car that runs five times more miles on the same tankfil ?
No OU here but who cares ?  How to do it is even on the peswiki sites but people don't seem to able to read or think by them selves. I already mentioned that earlier. There are  so many persons without any character who speak and think ONLY what they heard from other people. That is the vicious circle we're dealing with that gets us backwards instead of forwards ! Ask yourself : am i addicted to ou-stories and always want more more more and can't stick to one subject ? Do you understand basic
physics and have enough common sence ? I doubt it seriously. Clear you mind and addictions like the
pre-war people who had time to contemplate. And my same reaction again; if you see how that car-thing works you will hit yourself and say: why didn't i see that ? It was always right in you face !
And more: the cheap comment on working models. The early cars ran 3 miles to the gallon. And with
a five liter engine. The principle was certainly right but needed only tweaking. If i told you to make a carburetor, how many people would not be able to construct it and get effective results ?? And the others would wine and say that the invention doesn't work etc.etc. :-\

*only a slave waits for someone to free him.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: oouthere on March 29, 2008, 01:27:03 AM
Eniac, I'm glad to see your house is running on free energy.  I for one do not like trying to reinvent the wheel......

With all that is going against humanity (i.e. lies in religion, lies in oil production, lies in the financial institutions, lies about structures on other moons/planets, lies about reincarnation) how can you say we only want something given to us?  Practically all of the highest management seeks to enslave us and thoughts like yours are what empowers them.  Not everyone is a genius and no matter how much effort is placed into a subject unless you have the mental capabilities and a good foundation to work from answers will not come forth.

Just thoughts from a redneck,

Rich
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: oouthere on March 29, 2008, 03:12:47 PM
Does anyone know how much they are asking for the water heater technology?

Thanks,

Rich
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on April 01, 2008, 09:22:41 PM
OUTthere folks are working on this    Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: jtbartlett on April 04, 2008, 03:36:19 AM
Is this Mr. Thrapp a confirmed Amish inventor or has that been implied by his dress and religious references? If he is indeed Amish, why is he and his group of 50 volunteers dedicated to developing something that is prohibited by religious belief? The Amish community in The US is really not that large. An Amish inventor solving the worlds energy problems with an OU machine (setting aside the 500M USD fee) seems rather unlikely.  Much like an Innuit (eskimo to some people) inventing an amazing device that makes....ice.  This is my first post.  The forum looks interesting.  ;D
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on April 04, 2008, 03:48:19 AM
WELL we learn something every day today its your turn there are at least two groups of Amish one you refer to   the other like Mr Thrapp a little more liberal
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: jtbartlett on April 04, 2008, 04:08:52 AM
Ok Thanks. Didn't know that. Another question: If Mr Thrapp is a multimillionaire as stated on this site, http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Timothy_Thrapp , why was he looking for a $100k donation to finish the development of a useful gravity motor in 2005? I would guess that someone of extraordinary intelligence and ability would find making money a trivial bother. He was brokering successful real-estate deals before he was 18. If I knew a multimillionaire, I could write a pretty snazzy business proposal and borrow the $100k. Hey lets face it $100k is short money these days isn't it? Even better, If I had been a genius multimillionaire who didn't bother with the diploma, I'd loan myself the $100k and build it.

Don't get me wrong, OU machines may in fact exist but you'd have to be pretty persistent to ignore the many many red flags that are associated with this one.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on April 04, 2008, 04:19:07 AM
That's a good question jbartlett.  I don't know the answer.

I think there are enough theoretical things in Thrapp's device that make sense that I personally think its real.  However, there are probably exaggerations mixed in.  The rumor is that the device is real but Thrapp does not have business sense or people skills.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on April 04, 2008, 08:41:18 AM
heya. thrapp WAS a multimillionaire. if you were to read and look into what happened to all of this, destruction of labs, etc, you'd see that much money can burn  in processes that result in having to re-create things. now this is of course  from the point of view that any of you put any kind of, well, weight, on the claims. they are on the  WITS directory page on peswiki, the 2005 interview by one jeane manning, and the water-fuel-museum interview.
money can run out too? :)
anyway, im starting to have my own red flags, since im not allowed to help them  due to too much email traffic  and they dont want to post more videos because of the email traffic. i wish everyone emailingthem etc owuld just stop  and for them to realize that they have to take up my offer of  me digitizing their enregy dvds for them and allow me to help them. but it does seem they are inundated with emails constantly, i dunno how much of that are useful emails with useful propositions, and how much is just "gimme more data". if im in this kind of a mental/emotional state regards this  it just doesnt  make any sense for me to ring him up. a shame.

Ok Thanks. Didn't know that. Another question: If Mr Thrapp is a multimillionaire as stated on this site, http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Timothy_Thrapp , why was he looking for a $100k donation to finish the development of a useful gravity motor in 2005? I would guess that someone of extraordinary intelligence and ability would find making money a trivial bother. He was brokering successful real-estate deals before he was 18. If I knew a multimillionaire, I could write a pretty snazzy business proposal and borrow the $100k. Hey lets face it $100k is short money these days isn't it? Even better, If I had been a genius multimillionaire who didn't bother with the diploma, I'd loan myself the $100k and build it.  Don't get me wrong, OU machines may in fact exist but you'd have to be pretty persistent to ignore the many many red flags that are associated with this one.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: not_a_mib on April 06, 2008, 05:09:31 AM
No discussion about the Amish would be complete without a reference to this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsfVw9xxoNY
(Warning, may be offensive to Amish, contains that "English decadence" the elders warn everyone about.)
 ;)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on April 06, 2008, 05:37:01 AM
one other thing from the interviews was that  after every demonstration  they got sued and had to pay lawyers and court costs etc, etc, etc.  the money could dwindle away very quickly.

all i know for now, is, that  i've been told that they are so busy with emails etc  that they wont be posting any more videos. which is a shame, cos, well, you know.



amish shmamish, im gonna be brutaly honest here: who the fuck, in 2008, gives a fuck about  which religion theyre in, why is this shit being constantly touted and repeated like mindless troll-automatons, get a grip you lot.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on April 06, 2008, 05:44:54 AM
ESA  I knew that last post would ring your bell   Have a good night   all the negative energy in the world [posts like the one before yours]ain't gonna stop whats coming down the road   Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 06, 2008, 06:19:16 AM
@ Chet:

"Roads?  Roads?  Where we're going, we don't need roads."  (Quote from Back to the future series.)

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on April 09, 2008, 03:16:56 AM
Hi ALL,
I am again in contact with them and the interview
is set back for a few days, cause I have just changed my phone provider
and there was a mistake and now I can only call via mobile
phones and that is not a good sound quality.
Until I will have again an ISDN phone line
will still take a few days and then I will
call Mr. Thrapp and do the interview.
So please stay tuned.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 09, 2008, 03:23:07 AM
@ Stefan:

Great work.  We appreciate your efforts.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on April 09, 2008, 08:53:21 AM
31 march 2008 "WITS voluntary digitization work postage payment sent"
2nd april 2008   one of the johns responds with "Can You Get What You Need by copying the videos already posted? We really don't want to post more at this time, as we are getting more emails already then we can handle."
i respond back with the "i already have them all. i still want to help you guys digitize the rest  so you have them." kinda stuff.
8th april 2008  i get this back "Ok, thank you! We will let you know when we are ready for your help.
Just be patient till then. Thank you for your gifts and your help!"

so yeah.
i really hope you stefan are gonna spend some time talking about the dominant. with  focus on keely (and obviously russell) and moray and maybe hendershot  and tuning to the dominant..

do you have the interview questions lined up, do you take suggestions, etc?
or is this going to be  you ask whatever you want, and go in with the same kinda agenda that someone else who tried to interview them already did, i.e. the severely damaging "yep we'll set YOU straight, stop MESSING us AROUND" -attitude?

i hope not. cos it'd mean that any future interviewpossibilities would probably be turned down,  no matter from whom the requests would come from.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on April 09, 2008, 09:21:29 AM
if they really wanted to help the world they would give up the plans for people to try out right ?, but no they say nothing and charge $100s to do so, wake up and smell yet another scam., like ive stated befor there are basicly two ways to do something , the right way and the wrong way....any one wanna guess which way this is going ?.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on April 09, 2008, 02:01:59 PM
BORG these fellows have a lot of history   probably back on their heels right know  a little punched out [ a lot of lab burnings and related problems] Im hoping they  decide to work with Stephan      Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on April 09, 2008, 10:31:34 PM
hi chet im not meaning to up set any one, but i tend to go with if it smells funny, it probly is. ;D.

..but yeah lets hope they work with OU.com and we can try this stuff out.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 10, 2008, 12:25:04 AM
Borg:

I am with you, open minded but with some skepticism as there are more than a few red flags here. I too am hoping for the best.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: 1tesla01 on April 20, 2008, 09:53:16 AM
Hello guys, Sounds like a lot of work going on still in the fe and overunity network. I'm new to "this" site maybe you can give me a little help.I read a artical on earth batteries how to build them. There seemed to be just a little problem with them putting out a very little energy with a lot of work.That darned old olms law kept bugging me finally, I thought the copper tubing was stupid because of the resistance.A one to four inch solid copper rod 24 feet long should work.Color me stupid for using olms law.FE what a concept Am I just stupid or what.This should work with your antenna system also.Duh bigger wire for less resistance.There is a reason for the 24 feet. It is used to increase voltage and amperage.This is real free energy except copper is poor mans gold.Nothing free about that.I said this will work .Try it for yourself.Please give me feed back.(This is Phononstring ) Andy McQuerry If you havent heard of me put my name in the computer and search I'mmmmmmmmmm BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on April 20, 2008, 04:03:18 PM
ANDY WELCOME BACK  lots to see and do these days     Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 20, 2008, 04:57:43 PM
Andy:

Check out the work we have been doing in the Earth Battery Experiments and Stubblefield Coils and Speculations topics.  We have been working very hard with this type of device.  Very interesting results so far.  The coils put out much better power.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: oouthere on April 24, 2008, 05:48:35 PM
Any new developments on the interview or is Thrapp enjoying the public's $3.50 per gallon purchases?

Rich
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on May 02, 2008, 08:18:27 AM
Hi ALL,
here is the interview I just made with Mr. Timothy Thrapp:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9KA8DQWU

It is about 51 MBytes big Stereo MP3 file.

Due to the recording software my question channel is on the left channel
and Mr. Thrapps answer channel is on the right channel.

There was some small echo and some humming on my
channel, so if you want to hear his voice clearer,
use your pan pot in your audio mixer and put the volume onto his
channel during his answers.

Unfortunately Mr. Thrapp was not in the USA during this recording
and the mobile phone connection was also not too good.


Well, the best thing would be, if somebody with Web-Design knowledge
would contact him on the given email address and build them a good website
with all the infos they have.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Ben Waballs on May 02, 2008, 06:07:27 PM
I was really excited to see the interview Stephan, and thanks a million for the effort! But the site that hosts the vid is a pay site? I cant get the file for the life of me, any suggestions? Thanks again!
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 02, 2008, 06:22:32 PM
Stefan:

Yes, can you post it on Youtube in several parts?  Or, Metacafe?  I realize it is an audio file most likely, but you could put up a photo still pic while the interview is playing.  I could not access the file either.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: exxcomm0n on May 02, 2008, 07:04:16 PM
Hi Gents,

The page displayed is pretty hard to decipher, but I was able to get the file for free (after waiting 1 min.).
I'm listening to it right now.

At the top, RIGHT AFTER the logo (Megaupload) there is a "captcha" (device to keep automated programs from accessing the resource saying, "PLease Enter (the letters, there were 3 for me) and then click "Download" right to the right of that.

After doing so you'll go to another page where you can either pay for instant access, or wait 1 min. for the free download link to become available.

@ Stephan

For the website, do they need hosting, or just design, or both?

Nice interview, I'll try to ask them at the email address they furnish .
Great job, thank you!
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bourne on May 02, 2008, 07:25:39 PM
@ Ben & Pirate

I had no trouble downloading the audio file from megaupload. I can't think how you come to the idea that it is a pay site? Sure you have to pay for the premium account, but not the free download part.

1 Click the link
2 Enter the 3 letter code at the top of the screen
3 hit return
4 wait 45 seconds !!

Mr Thrapp didn't reveal much I thought. It was interesting what he said regarding the 900 watt generator, about balancing the 3 primary and neutral 'dominant' energy fields to get the generator to work as 'Both' motor and generator. Which negates Lenz' law due to the influx of the extra energy.

So the water heater works by using ultra-sonic frequencies which is similar to but different from Peter Davey's Resonant water Heater

The last part concerning the delay line motor was a little confused I thought.

One part I found a little questionable, Mr Thrapp mentions they have built over 10,000 machines of various shapes and sizes.

How many?? Where are they??

@ Stefan

Firstly, well done.

You must know some web-site developers who could volunteer their services


I need to listen to it again a few times

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on May 03, 2008, 02:17:05 AM
Bourne    there are ALOT of Amish in the USA     one denomination [for lack of a better word] doesn't use any electricity among many other things    so if they were never on our grid then no one would notice [elec company] a sudden drop in usage  I guess electricity from God is OK [only a presumption]   Chet          ps and BOURNE thanks for 1-4 
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on May 03, 2008, 02:49:14 AM
Bourne @EXX somebody I followed your instructions 1-4    1 click on link     2 enter code[9ka8dqwu] pressed download waited......   3 pressed arrow[top left corner of page[return]     4 waited .....Only got voluptuous vixens[very distracting]    Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 03, 2008, 05:54:49 AM
@ Bourne and exxcommOn:

Thank you.  I was able to download it after following your instructions.

@ Stefan:

I am going to listen now.  Thanks for doing this.  I hope this sheds some light on the issue.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: storre on May 03, 2008, 02:19:32 PM
Is someone able to upload this to another site that I can give access to? Everytime I try this link it redirects me to download a toolbar:

All download slots assigned to your country (Brazil) are currently in use. Please try again in a few hours or install the Megaupload Toolbar for immediate access - with the toolbar installed, there are no more slot limitations for you!

If someone can upload this for me, contact me privately for the address.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Ben Waballs on May 03, 2008, 03:05:27 PM
Stephan,

We appreciate your efforts very very much, and we thank you! I listened with great interest to the interview, and as hard as you tried to get good solid info, I think what he gave back was snake oil. He was so evasive, and said the exact same vague things that all the others have said. Then, when you mix religion with it, you can say goodnight. These people are coming out of the woodwork now, and its hard to  differentiate. But we thank you so much again for your efforts, and it will pay off!
Would love to hear your comments from what you gathered during the interview? That would really be helpful. Thanks!!
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on May 03, 2008, 07:34:51 PM
Hi,
well yes, I also had the impression, that he did not want to say much things about his
technology.

Surely he could have told us, what MIT people have already tested their device as he had claimed.
So it sounds all a bit vague and I wouldn?t blame people, if they call it snake oil.

So as there were many scams recently, I would not suggest to donate now,
but maybe we can get them a web-programmer. so that they will first publish some more details,
before we can deceide, if it makes sense to donate anything.

Also it might be better for them, that they will just make their
own money from selling plans or booklets of their devices
instead of waiting for donation to built a factory.


Maybe some good webprogrammer who knows Joomla or a simular CMS system can contact me
privately, so I can forward your email address to them.

Also if the MIT people, who have seen their devices can come forward we would really like to hear your test
results.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: The megaupload.com site is free.
Just give in the 3 digit download code into the form
and then you have to wait 45 seconds and then press the free
download link.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: storre on May 03, 2008, 09:04:53 PM
P.S: The megaupload.com site is free.
Just give in the 3 digit download code into the form
and then you have to wait 45 seconds and then press the free
download link.

It is free if you arrive to that page but in my country it redirects me to download a toolbar that they charge for. Here is the text and the link of the page it sends me to.

http://www.megaupload.com/toolbar/?
All download slots assigned to your country (Brazil) are currently in use. Please try again in a few hours or install the Megaupload Toolbar for immediate access - with the toolbar installed, there are no more slot limitations for you!

Stefan, would you be able to upload it to my server in the US? Send me a private message for the address.

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: resonanceman on May 03, 2008, 10:27:56 PM
Stefan


I agree  that it is probably not  a good  idea to donate  at this time

From all that I have seen  WIT  has a very " me first "  attitude

In other words  if  we ALL  give them tons of money and  take care of ALL their needs  , then they  will be comfortable   enough to help us .   
The  world just don't act like that .   

I do  think that  they  do have  some knowledge , but  as  long as they are  "me first "  there is little chance of  ever  finding  enough  trust  to get funding  for production.

The  people  on this  site for the most part  have got past  the  " me first"  attitude     


I did  pick up  on one  technical  detail          when talking about the  delay line generator    he  said he  had looked up the Newman motor .  and it was similar  but he  didn't see any overlapping  coils . 
It seems to me that  if you  send a spike  of power into a coil    and that coil  is  very close to another  coil    it  will take a specific  time  to transfer into the  second  coil

The motor   is   probably  a  bunch  of  coils in  series  and the  charge is  started with one coil and then is  induced   coil to  coil    around  the   motor .           a  capacitor or diode   may be needed  in  between  each coil.




gary

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: 1tesla01 on May 03, 2008, 10:28:02 PM
Guys,Becareful about jumping up and throwing 100.00 USD around.Let me remind you of (Dennis Lee)No one jumped up and started throwing money at (Don Smith).(His units worked I tested one.)(Got 450 amps @15KV till it blew my ammeter)(Out of a12V 30ma unit input)This unit is very expensive to build for one.If it was 15,000 watts I would understand excitement. to only get 900 watts it isnt cost effective.Solar Cells are FE are you investing in them?What about the solar film from Canada coming out and there are the nano solar cells coming out.Im more interrested in the nano technology there is going to be massive power coming from these units.There is cold fusion,black light,permant magnetmotors,all these schematics have been released this year.Then you have self-acting motor-generators have all be released this year.The secrets of Teslas Black Box is already known.Then there is the Power Antenna from the Ionosphere which was released in 1988.These are ready know technology Do Your Home Work.THESE SYSTEMS ALL WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!There is a solar car in France mixed with 3 of these tecnologys.running just fine.I dont want to reinvent the wheel, just improve on it with higher speed bearings.By the way the wheel new technology is no air in the tires!What happened to Norm Wooten he made crazy power the goverment shut his mouth.QUICK! Please do the math first,dont wait for some one to do It for you.Im sorry Im not impressed.This is my 18th year at this testing these systems.More later Regards ANdy
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on May 03, 2008, 11:11:10 PM
Andy we've been chewin on bones around here  sounds like you been feeding on filet mingon how bout throwing a bigger piece of meat  Chet PS Don smith ?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: resonanceman on May 03, 2008, 11:25:19 PM
Andy we've been chewin on bones around here  sounds like you been feeding on filet mingon how bout throwing a bigger piece of meat  Chet PS Don smith ?


Isn't  Don Smith  the boxing  promoter  with the  funny hair?   


:)

gary
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on May 03, 2008, 11:31:45 PM
Guys,Becareful about jumping up and throwing 100.00 USD around.Let me remind you of (Dennis Lee)No one jumped up and started throwing money at (Don Smith).(His units worked I tested one.)(Got 450 amps @15KV till it blew my ammeter)(Out of a12V 30ma unit input)This unit is very expensive to build for one.If it was 15,000 watts I would understand excitement. to only get 900 watts it isnt cost effective.Solar Cells are FE are you investing in them?What about the solar film from Canada coming out and there are the nano solar cells coming out.Im more interrested in the nano technology there is going to be massive power coming from these units.There is cold fusion,black light,permant magnetmotors,all these schematics have been released this year.Then you have self-acting motor-generators have all be released this year.The secrets of Teslas Black Box is already known.Then there is the Power Antenna from the Ionosphere which was released in 1988.These are ready know technology Do Your Home Work.THESE SYSTEMS ALL WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!There is a solar car in France mixed with 3 of these tecnologys.running just fine.I dont want to reinvent the wheel, just improve on it with higher speed bearings.By the way the wheel new technology is no air in the tires!What happened to Norm Wooten he made crazy power the goverment shut his mouth.QUICK! Please do the math first,dont wait for some one to do It for you.Im sorry Im not impressed.This is my 18th year at this testing these systems.More later Regards ANdy


you have a list of systems that actually work ?, start a thread and list them for us.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: 1tesla01 on May 03, 2008, 11:57:40 PM
Call me anytime 870-862-8020 like It hurts to much to write alot.I have a pinched nerv in my hip and spine.I came back on fe boards to give a little insite.C.I.A used to watch my house in Dallas.Because of my coils.followed me every morning to work.Black cars would pull up to my window of my car roll down the window and smile at me every morning.Ide just grin, wave back at them and go to work.Go back and read my post most everything is in them.If you dont under stand what I said I can easly. explain.One day I got psd and chased a red pu truck to ask them what they wanted.They ran, saw them the next day in at my motel outside of shrevport.I was traveling for a living at that time.I slowed down on the research to a certian degree.It gave me time to watch some of these technologys evolve the math is the same.I will be building a new type generator I hope will be ready in 30 days.have paid for the parts myself.Regards Andy
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on May 04, 2008, 12:22:15 AM
Does anybody know if those talk to print things work    I completely  appreciate Andys dilema and would/will send him one   so he can share more without pain   Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: 1tesla01 on May 04, 2008, 12:29:47 AM
Just call me I enjoy talking on the telephone.Its OK Andy
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 04, 2008, 02:31:13 AM
@ Stefan:

I listened to the interview.  First of all, good job in ATTEMPTING to interview him.  He appeared very evasive to my ears.  I am a licensed Private Investigator and I can pick up on this stuff.  Whenever you tried to pin him down even just a little bit, he said something like, "well, I don't know what video you were looking at."  Also, he said they manufactured 50,000 of these devices and sold them.  Well, that is great.  50,000 is a large number and if there actually were 50,000 free energy type devices actually out there working, we would have heard about it from many other sources before now.  And, when you asked for the names of the testimonials, i.e.  physicists, scientists, etc. he said he could not reveal them until later because too many people would call them.  B.S.!  Stefan, if you had the secret of the "Holy Grail" of free energy and sold or gave me a device to test that worked, I would be all over it and the media would know about it.  I would not mind you using my name.  If there actually were 50,000 working devices out there, I would expect about 50,000 testimonials.  I would also expect more than a few that would not mind their name being mentioned.  The entire idea of "give us money and we will tell you how to do this wonderful thing," goes against my common sense.  Even the part where he asked for volunteers to produce his website for him for free involved $100 "donation" for the privilege of providing free services to him.
He said only then would he know they were "serious" about providing website expertise.  This whole thing has smelled to me from the beginning and, even after your great efforts of this interview, it did nothing to change my mind as of yet.  Thanks again for bringing  this to us. We are all after the same thing but none of us want to chase scams or pay money for false promises.  Great interview.!

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on May 04, 2008, 03:27:03 AM
Bill    yes something doesn't smell right     same smell in switzerland[mitherna thingy]   Amish are real FUNNY [strange]with money its like a BIG part of their belief system[something about the good stewart] seems foreign to christian beliefs  but thats the way it is      religion stinks [mans many interpretations] and this is just one of its odors    these guys have something [plenty]  its a shame a dollar means so much to some [disgusting to me ]  I wish i had the skills they need i would call them on this in a heartbeat    Chet PS if there are any takers i will help you any way i can [money ]
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on May 04, 2008, 03:41:21 AM
hi chet im not meaning to up set any one, but i tend to go with if it smells funny, it probly is. ;D.

..but yeah lets hope they work with OU.com and we can try this stuff out.

, it sure is getting stinky now  ;D
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on May 04, 2008, 03:51:37 AM
WELL the good news is we have alot of smart guys here ready to change the world in MANY different ways the Amish might get smart to this and change their tune   but pretty soon it will be a who cares senario [WAKE UP MR THRAPP the window is open [ to make your precious dollars and might slam on your fingers soon]]  Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: 1tesla01 on May 04, 2008, 04:04:51 AM
Please go back and think about my post :) Andy A shift is simply two idencal waves driven into each other
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on May 04, 2008, 04:20:50 AM
Speaking of smart guys Andy tried to call you earlier [you were busy will call tomorrow]going to sleep now    CHET
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on May 04, 2008, 03:42:12 PM
ANDY @all the device in the video is 10+ yrs old they say it went solid state fits in a brief case now  Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on May 05, 2008, 02:57:45 AM
Thanks Stefan , great interview

I also think he is being evasive. You'd think at this point in time Thrapp would just release the damn information on the internet.  Oh I get it, he wants to do it  himself because of "Quality control".  Riight.  Sounds really damn selfish to my ears. 

We don't have much time left. Fuck the $100 donation. We are all strapped for cash, and a hundred dollars can buy alot of parts for experiments.

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 05, 2008, 05:00:44 AM

Thanks, good effort Stefan...you did well despite noting of much substance being revealed...just mostly self promotion on the part of Mr. Tharp.

I do have trouble reconciling the conflict between 'christian values' and profit in such desperate times...which raises serious doubts in my mind.

I enjoyed the interview though, you should do more of them...you have a good interview style.

Regards...

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: storre on May 05, 2008, 12:13:18 PM
Hi ALL,
here is the interview I just made with Mr. Timothy Thrapp:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9KA8DQWU

It is about 51 MBytes big Stereo MP3 file.


Stefan, I see no way to download this file. I try all times of the day and it just says all slots to my country are full. I never get to this other page where you enter a code. I redirects me right away to a toolbar page. Anyone else having this problem? Anyone willing to upload it to a mac.com server so I can get it from there?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on May 05, 2008, 08:17:12 PM
Like I said before, don't sent any DONATIONS to these people.   You don't know who they are or what they do with the money, it's only a claim to build some claimed "free energy" machines and change the world....etc..   And the videos are not absolute proof he has anything real, since you can't see all the wires or what's behind or underneath the units, or what's in the room, etc.. etc...  You're just going by what you see and it is interesting I'm not denying it, but it's no proof, and the faith it builds is not enough for me to part with my cash.

And speaking of cash, when you make donations,  you are not buying anything, they're not making any claims to you, you're just donating to a cause, whether they use the money wisely or not, today or tomorrow, you have no way of knowing or any legal rights, there is no contract between you and them, etc....etc....   so if you find out a few years later that Mr Thrapp, is actually Mr Smuck,  you can't sue him for your "donated" money. (or won't get very far legaly)   What actually is happening here is a legal manuvering to avoid taxation under the umbrella of the religious organization's tax exemption status and perhaps a cleaver way to avoid litigation if the devices are discovered to be fake, that's why he's running a "ministry" and not a company.

And speaking of religion, as far as Mr Thrapp claim of seeing JESUS in a pink smoke and being "CURED"  and then getting the cancer back and learning how to "HOLD ON TO THE CURE"  I have news for you.  Jesus doesn't do half ass jobs.  He either cures you or not.  Read the bible it's full of clear examples.   So I even have doubts about this guys religion and the stories he's spinning in the name of religion to sucker in naive religiously inclined people of  MUCH faith,  but NO BRAINS.


EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Localjoe on May 05, 2008, 08:28:11 PM
We had this building ... that used to be a chicken take out place.. later a npo group bought it and make their own "religion" Church of something .. anyways about 7 years later it closes down for swindling people out of money... .. Thats an example of a short cycle .. some other churches are in a long cycle...

I remember something about worshiping in your own house personally, and giving what you had to the poor.... not the church.  Funny how things evolve
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: weri812 on May 05, 2008, 09:29:49 PM
@ Storre

thr this link  the Thrapp file is here

http://www.4shared.com/dir/6899591/4388f91b/sharing.html

thanks
wer
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: storre on May 05, 2008, 09:34:13 PM
Thanks Bruce! I'm getting it now :)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Localjoe on May 05, 2008, 10:07:34 PM
Listen carefully to everything thrapp says.. he knows what hes talking about which makes me wonder further if this is dis info what parts are and what arent.. its been eating at me a while after his comments on the ns stubblefield cell.. the sob described it exactly from the patent and even parts you have to infer, and didnt miss a hitch which makes me go hmmmmmmmm but then he wants money and theres this oddball religious group aspect to it.  So as always " we find truth hidden in elaborate spotty manner throughout his talks " why do this? 
                                                                                                                                               Joe
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Feynman on May 05, 2008, 11:43:40 PM
Okay, I should clarify what I wrote a little.  I think Thrapp's devices are real.   However, it's really damn selfish to not just release the information.  I think he's got an ego problem.

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on May 05, 2008, 11:55:10 PM
THey take care of themselves and i guess the rest of us can go to hell in a hand basket  I don't even think they wanted the vids released that started all this   God bless who??  Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on May 06, 2008, 12:47:48 PM
Okay, I should clarify what I wrote a little.  I think Thrapp's devices are real.   However, it's really damn selfish to not just release the information.  I think he's got an ego problem.



I agree,
especially the 35 Watts delay line motor could be real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw6sqIh2Umo

From my interview with Mr. Thrapp we learned, that there is a magnet inside the special 5 windings coil and there is also a belt coming from the rotating magnet inside the coil turning the commutator.
Firstly I did not see the belt before I did the interview, but now I can see it clearly and now I know, how the commutator is rotated.

All very simular to the Newman motors.

We only need to add more coils and add their output up via rectified graetz bridges
and tuned capacitors on each coil winding.

Also the windings should be probably 5-filar.. so all wire wound together
in parallel, so not one after each other.

I already had also sometimes pretty much negative input currents, when I put 2 spark gaps in series with my
Newman coil once.
I think, the more sparkgaps you put in series with the the coil, the lower will be your input current.
When I had just one sparkgap with my coil and a battery voltage of about 625 Volts,
the input current was 5 mA.
When I put 2 sparkgaps in series at the same input voltage, the average input current
decreased to 2 mA and there were also sometimes negative values of the input current seen
on an analog input amperemeter.
Also the torque on the rotating magnet inside the coil did not decrease.

So if you put still more spark gaps in series or
chop up all the DC voltage into total BackEMF bursts, you will decrease the effect of the Lenz law
and via a RF transformer in series with the coil you can transform the rf bursts back to lower
output voltages with higher amperes and do a full wave graetz rectifying
or an Avramenko plug rectifier to use the produced rf ( radio frequency) power.

Newman used in some of his machines the rf burst power by just putting in series
some incandescent bulbs in series with the coil that lighted up due to the powerfull
rf burst currents.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on May 06, 2008, 03:20:47 PM
So seems the right   eyes  and   ears   and   mind = results  thanks Stephan [and MR Thrapp]
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on May 06, 2008, 03:32:39 PM
Stephan I know you are busy and build all the time  but it sounds like [recent posts here and another thread] you could get this working with out much effort    and teach how to do this?  of course I could be wrong about the effort part  Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: junior_love_2003 on May 09, 2008, 09:54:08 PM
Stefan,

 This guy is soo soo fake ... why everything is about donation ??? A lot of piramidal games and a lot of fake ppl like him faked ppl over the time to get money ..  . if he has a noble cause ..ask to send the plans and then we gonna make donnation ..
 
 The funney part is that he have a fixed fee 100$ ....

    I dont belive nothing .. i could make some videos like him very simple .. he didnt recorded 360 Degree so you can see that is  not conected to anithing .. 

   So is just a SF Guy .. ho invested a little time creating fake gadgets so he can feed the HUNGER of ppl wanting FREE ENERGY ... and make a little bit more profit from that .
.. 

   If you say some big names like MIT .. dosent mean some one from there so the devices ... Why if you donate he is happey to shere the names from MIT .. and the ppl from MIT  wont get mead on them ... BUT IF YOU DONT DONATE .. HE CANT TELL THE NAMES ...

   Maibe technologies like that exists .. but  one thing is clear . this guy dosent have them . He just read a lot about similar inventions nobady so on the market and he just tryed to reproduse the shapes telling that he invented something similar ... so he can be more belived in ...


 man this is KID `s Play ...
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on May 10, 2008, 12:08:40 AM
Hi ALL,
here is the interview I just made with Mr. Timothy Thrapp:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9KA8DQWU

thanks stefan. im looking forward to listening to this, i think tomorrow ill put it on. nice to see that nothing has changed around here, still the same amount of naysayers and "ill doubt it cos they're asking for money". it'd be lovely to be able to see what would happen if one threw a new website at WITTS and say, hundreds of thousands of euros at them, i.e., if money is what they want, let them choke on it and see if they have anything useful to build with the unlimited funds.

it'd be also interesting to know how complex a website they want to have. the original waterfuelmuseum interview seemed to insist that they would be using the WITTS forthcoming website (forthcoming as of september2007), to sell the hydroxy boosters, maybe even the radiant boosters?.... anyway, they were telling me, as of the last mail, that they'll be in touch when they want me to encode some more videos. i was ready to go right there and then but i suppose these things always move to a timeschedule set by someone else (btw, just noticed that energy from the vacuum part 4  has been released (the one with 1h37min about howard johnson and his mapping of the magnetic field...)))
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on May 10, 2008, 03:35:49 PM
i reckon its very valid that if they get 200 or up to 500 emails per day asking about the technologies, that they would have already gotten some of them into production had people donated 40$ / 100$  before sending an email. i dont know, i'd be well peeved if i started getting a lot of demands for info on my music or wotever, 200-500 per day, and none of them were offering gigs or even offering to purchase any of my lifes work. just endless streams of questions..

but yeah, just pull out the amish religious cult card  and reach mutual agreement amongst yourselves and keep saying they are all really bad and horrible people for asking money..

so one of the 100$ requests was about dealership suggestion, to have a chat with them about it, and which area they would be exclusive on dealership, should be interesting to see how few people are interested in getting a dealership going in say, germany.

but seriously tho, there have been many offers to do a website or even cover artwork for a record, only to vanish for YEARS. hence why it makes sense to ask for a 100$donation in order to achieve the mutual understanding that the person promising to do a website or etc, actually means to come up with their promise and not just flake out. i see that the lot of youz are just up in arms about this whole thing, well, 100$ is 65eur which is nothing at all, some of us spend more  money than that on dvds and books, tapes and vhs's, and net-access. and have no income.


seriously tho, anyone who wants to spend their time recording conversations/interviews like this should just simply start the whole interview by saying the wits2014@yahoo.com + wits2011@yahoo.com emails HIMSELF, because its really tiring to hear it being said over and over again  during interviews. we all know this information already, it doesnt need to be said continuously. here we are, 11 minutes later..

uh..
so most of their technology, again (WKT = we know this) is based on dominant energy (WKT) "advanced principles", keely (WKT) named it 1870s, (WKT) and it was called many names, including the ether (WKT). great. this is what we knew already. im really glad you let him re-state that, and didnt pursue at all further into any of it. which people used the dominant energy, how was it apparent, etc, etc, etc.

its fun that you people are saying hes being evasive, when he actually answers a question, then doesnt get any kind of continuance question but instead the topic changes!!! :(

the little bit he said about the 3 primaries and the 3 neutral (centers) and their flows and mixing them  sounded very keely-esque/russell-like to me, but what does anyone care about that, lets talk about lenz laws and get our knickers in a twist about the money requests.

p.s. yep, i\d like to know how complex a website they wish to get, and id like to find it out before i pledge to code it by donating them money. i cant do complex websites but if its something simple, i can learn to do it, but seems like since they have no avenue for divulging what they are looking for in a website (which would, in effect, require a website), there probably will never be a WITTS website.
lets hope thats not the case..
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: junior_love_2003 on May 11, 2008, 06:11:16 PM
@ esaruoho

 Mr please ,

   If you fall for that crap .. then go on .donate money.. i would gladly donate money if they will realese a PDF book or something like that with theyer proff of beeing real  ... so they wont get that money for all the stupid`s on the planet for freee .. Ho do you know that Thraap is his real name .. why the PAYPALL is not on his real name ??? if everything was real!... even THRAPP sugest is a TRICK ..a TRAP for stupids..
   You cant just trow money on the window becouse they want you to .. and comming with stupid arguments like you did ! .. Man i can make his gadgets in a jeppey . and film my self ... but you would never know if u i have hiden wires ...if i tell you i recive 1000 emails a day .. you would belive me ?? Maibe you YES .
   You know HUMAN MIND is so simple to trik and to hack ... is just simple .. When ppl desire something verybad they are BLINDED . So is simple to get triked . And it showed all this years with all caind of stupid games that "will gonna make you rich " and all of them ended to be  fake and run with your money ... and the problem is not that they trik 1-2 person they triked Milions ... .SO SEE HOW SIMPLE IT IS .. But when you are using something alce then your head to think is not that easy to make connections

  I  know how to CODE websites ..and make whatever you want ... BUT SHOULD I BE SO FREAKING STUPID .. TO WAISTE 1 mounth to make them a website ...  PAY THEM 100 $ to let me do IT ??????????  and..  I dont tell you that if i would make that website for a company i would charge 2000 EUROS .. so DONT YOU THINK IS STUPID ?? Give them money to let me build a web for them  .. that is the  best thing i ever ever heard before ...  THEY ARE SO FAKE ..i can smell them from EUROPE ..



So Mr .. When you try to make others belive others crap  .. just becouse you think is ok ..DOSENT MEAN IS OK ...




Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on May 12, 2008, 08:00:45 AM
Well,
he was only on his mobile phone,
I had to call 3 times to get these questions asked and in the background
the first 2 times there were kids playing, so there was background noise
and he was hard to understand.
Also I had the impression, when I called the first time I
interrupted him in lunch time and had to call later again,
so he could speak without any background noise.

Okay, the interview date was not fixed and I called out of the bluesky, when I had the VoiP
Phoner program finally working.

But he wanted not to answer very technically...
you can hear that and I did not want to make him angry by
stichting more and more...
Maybe this was a mistake of mine...

I agree, it would be the best,
if they first release a free plan
and then we can donate, for instance, the money we will
save not to spend anymore on heating water...

If they would release a free plan for the water heating device,
this would be a cool step forward and then afterwards, if
replications will work  we could donate....

As they say they are a world improvement society, why don?t they go this route ?

Donating, without knowing, if something will come of it, is not worth it.

I could have told him this already in the interview, but I did not want
to make him angry...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Freezer on May 12, 2008, 08:38:03 AM

I don't think Thrapp is gonna give his secrets away.  He seems to talk about 100 donation in every other sentence, and what comes after giving him money?  It doesn't seem like he would tell you even if you donated. 

Seems like his heater might have something to do with Stifflers setup.  He talks about using achieving voltage and precise tuning, and made a comment saying,"you don't need amperage, you can make amperage."  I even believe this might tie into stubblefields cell, only a solid state version.  Thrapp also knows how stubblefields cell operated.  Perhaps the arc lights stubblefield used produced similar effects to the neon or even the plasma ball tesla studied.  I wonder if the two mirrored surfaced parabolic bowls in stubblefields heater could be made using Stifflers driver?  I guess I could be totally off here but what the heck.  :D
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: storre on May 12, 2008, 08:30:03 PM
Thrapp asks for money as a type of filter. It helps git rid of the people wanting free plans or wasting his time in other ways. Listening to the interview, it is clear he has developed free energy devices. Why he can't say more could be because he is not working along. He is maybe honoring his agreements with his other researchers who have maybe invested their money in hopes of getting it back which doesn't happen from giving the plans away.

That said?my advice for him, to increase his karma and stop the silly guessing if he is genuine or not, is to GIVE away the plans of one of his more simple and maybe less commercially viable free energy devices such as the delay motor.

THEN he will not have to ask for donations. People will be flooding his paypal box with donations galore!

Why he doesn't do that is maybe because he's a better inventor than a business man.

My 2? :)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: oouthere on May 14, 2008, 07:34:09 PM
I finally got to listen to the interview and here's my 2 cents.....

Why would he expect us to build him a factory?  If he was serious about helping the world, he'd simply have the units built in pre-existing factories and get this ball rolling.  If quality control is an issue, inspect the factory.  I'd bet if he had one single unit that can be replicated then the water heaters could be produced in the thousands within a couple of months.  There should be no worry about someone else taking his idea...he's already taken someone elses.

Just my opinion, but if he'd get a good 8 hours of sleep one night things would start making a lot more sense.

Rich
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: oouthere on May 15, 2008, 04:43:24 PM
Perhaps when someone talks to Thrapp again, they should ask him to consider Steorn's business model.  They have a developers forum and their intention is to offer licensing from corporate to individual tickerers.

http://www.steorn.com/orbo/

Rich
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: junior_love_2003 on May 19, 2008, 06:02:50 AM
 Ive been on STERON website and nothing intersting .. the last posts on they website they are from JULY 2007 and we are in 2008MAY ... so they still some fakes pretending to  get the big rabit from the ears .. But thei S U K
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: junior_love_2003 on May 24, 2008, 04:09:31 AM
@ hartiberlin..

 I see is dead .. change topic =)))) nobady saing nothing
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on May 24, 2008, 07:51:21 AM
dont you come here and start demanding for a change of topic. the way i see it, the only reason you are here is to post derogatory comments onto this thread and nothing else. so it comes as no surprise that youd want this thread buried as your next action.

if you really wanted it buried, id recommend doing them a really freakin good, informative website. but its easier to just attack thrapp, isnt it?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on May 24, 2008, 07:56:02 AM
I finally got to listen to the interview and here's my 2 cents.....
Why would he expect us to build him a factory?  If he was serious about helping the world, he'd simply have the units built in pre-existing factories and get this ball rolling.  If quality control is an issue, inspect the factory.  I'd bet if he had one single unit that can be replicated then the water heaters could be produced in the thousands within a couple of months.  There should be no worry about someone else taking his idea...he's already taken someone elses.

all i can see is that if theres hundreds to thousands of emails coming weekly, that all of those people could be suggested to be doing something better with their time+money than  asking them questions. for instance. lets say yoiu have the three videos on youtube, and everyones mailing them, individually, one at a time, demanding answers to this or that  thing in the videos. it will get damn tiring to answer the same questions to skeptical "iwannabe-in-on-it-but-its-probably-a-scam"-wannabes, when a website FAQ would easily take care of that. yet none of the  "supposedly" interested people are  in any way interested in doing a website, they just wanna ask their damn questions. so  he recommended something that would actually be useful to do. im sure you too can agree that there are various technologies that would seriously benefit from a r&d center. not everything in this scene is a scam.

Just my opinion, but if he'd get a good 8 hours of sleep one night things would start making a lot more sense.

i dont see how his sleepingpatterns have any take on what we should think about him. were you one of the guys who attacked buckminster fuller for his dymaxion sleeping? or are you prone to?
maybe he tunes to the dominant  and gets the required harmonizing energy from that.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on May 24, 2008, 12:27:18 PM
to me this looks all very simple,....a guy accepts donations and has a video of a so called working machine,but after the donation wont offer the details on how it works, in a nutshell, SCAMMER.

,..you wanna flame me ? , go right ahead, but ask your self, are you looking at reality ?, or is the truth hurting you and you dont like it so you wanna believe the fairies,heck ther is even a guy in the thread here who says he has a list of working *stuff*, so i ask him to make a list for US ALL, and he says * phone me* lmao, yeah right.

...im truly sick to death of BS.

..im VERY greatful for the people here on the forum who are trying what they can when they can to pull something out of the hat tho.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: junior_love_2003 on May 25, 2008, 04:12:00 PM
@esaruoho

You are stupiud . So pls shut up .Let some one wiser 2 speak .. If you telling me im sone that try to clouse topics you are using ur ass to think . 1st  You would ask for some one to make you a 2000 eurosweb site for free and ask in front for 100 $ so he can prove he wanted .. this is sounding so shiti ..stupid .and how you want to call it .. So read all the post .. Why new ppl and guest should loss time reading all this crap of 9 pages if its dosent tell anithing . dosent help with anithing  . dosent diserve  1 secound .. 

 So pls keep quiet  is better for you ..And when you will  buy a new brain  Email me.. maibe we can have a better conversation

 So you know that word .. If you dont have nothing to say .. then dont say nothing
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on May 25, 2008, 04:38:51 PM
ESA is good people he knows alot about these devices and the real inventors   thats why its so frustrating to have this waived in his face    He is not alone in this opinion   but trying to steer religion is not possible from the outside  so like the guys in switzerland they probably will take their devices and money with them to hell   Chet Ps but others here are very close to this already[the missing pieces]
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bolt on May 28, 2008, 01:01:46 AM
Thrapp interview squashed to under 5 megs so it just fits in the archive section on this site. :)

Its ogg format so you may have to rename from .avi to .ogg once downloaded. This is because ogg not recognized as valid file on this server.  As ogg is open source maybe they should be allowed.

Use VLC player linux etc or maybe winamp might work for windows.

The quality is not bad considering how small the file is now.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get73

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: TheOne on May 28, 2008, 02:54:47 AM
Thank Stephan for the interview.

Now my own opinion about it, I don't believe this guys, I am sure he just want to get more money as possible like Denis lee
and say the same crap over and over again without giving anything.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on June 29, 2008, 11:19:49 AM
heymate. could you do your great private investigator business a bit better?
did you not even listen?
he said, they build 10,000, 20,000 or 30,000 experimental devices. 10% of them have been video'd. he said once that he doesnt know which video hartiberlin was speaking of. ONCE. if however you want to be completely ridiculous about it, yes, WHEN he started saying that he doesnt know which video hartiberlin is talking about, because of the timelatency of the interview and hartiberlin incessantly breaking in and interrupting thrapp, he had to repeat it three times during the same sentence/breath. to me, the waterfuelmuseum interview is still way better than what stefan did. and thrapp never said anything about having SOLD 50,000. he never mentioned 50,000 as a number, and he certainly never said they built and SOLD the devices. could you please be abit more precise instead of letting yourself twist it all up!?!? if you don't believe me, transcribe the whole interview down and lets see if its really a hearing issue or if you're just happily mis-remembering whatever you want, and thus twisting it to suit your ends.


@ Stefan: I listened to the interview.  First of all, good job in ATTEMPTING to interview him.  He appeared very evasive to my ears.  I am a licensed Private Investigator and I can pick up on this stuff.  Whenever you tried to pin him down even just a little bit, he said something like, "well, I don't know what video you were looking at."  Also, he said they manufactured 50,000 of these devices and sold them.  Well, that is great.  50,000 is a large number and if there actually were 50,000 free energy type devices actually out there working, we would have heard about it from many other sources before now.  And, when you asked for the names of the testimonials, i.e.  physicists, scientists, etc. he said he could not reveal them until later because too many people would call them.  B.S.!  Stefan, if you had the secret of the "Holy Grail" of free energy and sold or gave me a device to test that worked, I would be all over it and the media would know about it.  I would not mind you using my name.  If there actually were 50,000 working devices out there, I would expect about 50,000 testimonials.  I would also expect more than a few that would not mind their name being mentioned.  The entire idea of "give us money and we will tell you how to do this wonderful thing," goes against my common sense.  Even the part where he asked for volunteers to produce his website for him for free involved $100 "donation" for the privilege of providing free services to him.
He said only then would he know they were "serious" about providing website expertise.  This whole thing has smelled to me from the beginning and, even after your great efforts of this interview, it did nothing to change my mind as of yet.  Thanks again for bringing  this to us. We are all after the same thing but none of us want to chase scams or pay money for false promises.  Great interview.!Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on June 29, 2008, 11:22:24 AM
how's he gonna release his information if he doesn't have a website?
 ::)

Okay, I should clarify what I wrote a little.  I think Thrapp's devices are real.   However, it's really damn selfish to not just release the information.  I think he's got an ego problem.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on June 29, 2008, 11:29:00 AM
Ho do you know that Thraap is his real name .. why the PAYPALL is not on his real name ??? if everything was real!...

have you not paid any attention? World Improvement Through The Spirit Ministries has dozens of people working. he said it himself, he listed the names of the people, the person who takes care of wits2011@yahoo.com, the person who takes care of it, is John Miller. i believe Thrapp mentioned him in the overunity.com interview. the person who takes care of wits2014@yahoo.com, his name is John Phil.

even THRAPP sugest is a TRICK ..a TRAP for stupids..

oh great, just as my surname, ruoho, translated to WEED in english, is a trap for potheads? what's your surname then?

Man i can make his gadgets in a jeppey . and film my self ...

yeah, sure. have you ever built anything? easy to make claims mate.

  I  know how to CODE websites ..and make whatever you want ... BUT SHOULD I BE SO FREAKING STUPID .. TO WAISTE 1 mounth to make them a website ...  PAY THEM 100 $ to let me do IT ?????????? 

if you have to spend one month making a simple website, you're in the wrong business.

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on June 29, 2008, 11:37:18 AM
btw, all of your "but i wont make a website if i have to pay for it" arguments are simply over-ridden by doing this:

making a WITTS website yourself, by using the information that is available on the interviews. they list  hydroxy boosters, radiant energy boosters, and trying to get a gravity motor created that could be built by anyone with an IQ of 100. this gives you a lot of things to do already.
1) a paypal donation button for wits2011@yahoo.com.
2) an email contact address for wits2014@yahoo.com, for getting in touch with them.
3) embedding of the three videos of WITS2014 on YouTube, to the webpage.
4) a small logo on top with World Improvement Through The Spirit ministries   reading on it, with a readable font.
5) "we also sell hydroxy mileage booster kits. please email xx  to get in touch."
6) "we are trying to raise money to build a factory to mass-produce this Keely-based ultrasonic heating device. Please donate!"

if you show them a page like that, that shows some commitment already, also it shows that the person doing the page has actually done his research and realized what they have to offer.

and besides, you have offered nothing, ever, on this OverUnity forum, no replications, no knowledge, just slandering. there would be no reason, to EVER email you. you substract instead of add. divide instead of multiply.

And when you will  buy a new brain  Email me.. maibe we can have a better conversation
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on June 29, 2008, 03:30:17 PM
ESA good work  how can we advance this?   free to the people  get the technology working on the street to change the world  Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 30, 2008, 04:33:13 AM
@ esaruoho:

Do my PI business a bit better?  What the hell are you talking about?  My business is just fine thanks and I stand behind what I have written thus far.  This has SCAM written all over it and if you are either too dumb, or too blind to see it than I can't help you.  Go ahead, invest in this guys "technology" I really don't give a crap one way or the other.

I deal with scam artists all day long and I know one when I see one.  If you don't want to believe that then I can't help you with that either.  I am expressing my opinion based upon my experience.  You can read it, dismiss it, or follow it, I don't really give a crap about that.  Your very poor attempt to discredit what I do for a living was far off the mark.  People like you should invest all of your life's savings into this guys stuff.  You are exactly the type of guy (idiot) he is looking for.

If you invest in it, and it is not a scam and proves to be the savior technology of the world, and you make millions, then I will offer an apology to you and WITTS.  I really think that before that day comes, flowers will grow out of my ass and I will have won the lottery about 30 times.  This is based upon probability and outcome so I don't expect you to agree with it or understand it.

It is a free world (most of it, ok, some of it) so throw your money away and see what happens.  I will continue to keep an eye on this just in case I am wrong. (which I doubt as I have stated)

By the way, how many witness interviews have you done?  Evasive still describes what I heard with Stefan's interview attempt so, again, if you don't agree, that is cool.  Don't take my advice, throw your money away.  The world needs gullible people too.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on June 30, 2008, 04:39:37 AM
ESA bite your lip   Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on June 30, 2008, 07:07:09 AM
ESA nice very nice   Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Koen1 on June 30, 2008, 01:10:56 PM
@Bill: Don't let this rookie fuss you too much. I agree with you, it smells of scam.
But everyone who's anyone in the FE scene had already concluded this quite
some time ago. There is zero proof, just talk.

@esaruoho: chill out dude, it's all nice that you have the ability to transcribe an interview,
but that does not in any way make the claims of this Thrapp character more valid.
Proof is what is needed, and what is not provided by the man.
Meanwhile he does want more money "for R&D".
And of course, like any scammer, he says they have built quite a number of versions.
But we don't get to see them, touch them, test them.
Yes, like with every FE scam there are videos that appear to show a device in operation.
And tons of claims. But zero proof.
I bet when you ask for one to do rigorous tests on, they will not give you one.
If you do manage to get hold of one and do extensive tests, then please do post your
results, as obviously it would be extremely interesting to get some actual third party
measurements in and not just the claims of Thrapp.

But think about this for just one second: if theye truly are at least 10,000 devices built,
and 10% of them have been filmed, then we should have at least 1000 videos of these
devices working.
Where are they? I don't see mr Thrapp present us 1000 videos of his working device.

If they really do have a FE/OU device, and Thrapp really is out to help mankind take the
next step, as he has claimed in several of his 'communiqu?'s, then why is he not
giving us the details on the device?
Unless of course he intends to make a lot of money off the devices...
In which case quite a number of his public announcements regarding his claimed devices
is obviously largely bullshit. You can't claim the moral high ground and pretend you want
mankind to evolve spiritually, and at the same time not introduce your revolutionary
energy device for free because you want to make money off it. That is a terribly internally
contradictory attitude.

So either he is the great benefactor he likes to make himself out to be and he should
already have given the world the principles for his working FE devices for free,
or he is a hypocrite and quite possibly a scammer and talks about moral issues while
focussing on cashflow.

Repeating what the guy said does not change that.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: storre on June 30, 2008, 02:23:27 PM
i see witts.ws has been updated, with 4 new articles.
about the Dominant Energy Engineering, The Triune Polar Field, The Dominant - The Ultimate Energy Source.

i have a feeling they'll just be introductory articles, but there you go. at least they're slowly starting to post more stuff. they do like to flitter around triune / dominant, i.e.  keely/russell material..


The article on Dominant Energy had a bad link. Here is the correct one.

http://www.tuc.nrao.edu/~demerson/radiosky/radiosky.htm
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: storre on June 30, 2008, 02:47:42 PM
Instead of criticizing thrapp about things we don't know about, why don't we see if someone lives near him so they can see the stuff first hand and take some videos. It's not constructive to slander and defend him from the comfort of our chairs based on a couple of interviews he has done. Maybe if someone would meet him personally they could convince him to give to the world the plans for ONE simple provable ou device that uses this triune power he talks about.

I think that is all he would be able to give because he did not arrive to this point alone and probably many other engineers are responsible for the work over many years and waiting to recoup their investment. His hands might be tied in that he can't give away other peoples work and life investment. Imagine you joined him 20 years ago as an engineer and decided to invest your time and money to the cause but with the hope that when it arrived to the point of recouping that investment, the leader got very generous and decided to give it all away for free?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on June 30, 2008, 05:09:20 PM
Fellows  20+yrs research 20+ scientists  these guys have the goods   they sound more and more like they see the problem [our planet] and want to help  there is a definite a increase in the advertising  of them wanting to help   Chet PS read more   this man[Mr Thrapp] talks the talk  like no one I ever heard  Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Koen1 on June 30, 2008, 10:34:21 PM
Well I'm all for giving him a chance,
but I've seen Thrapp's thing come around a few times now
and so far I have not heard of anyone at all who has any such device,
nor have I seen any videos claiming to show it in action, or anything like that.
Which seems odd, if the're "giving away" demo devices.
Then again, the demo devices are "impractical"...
And you only get them "for free" after you've "donated" something,
("suggested" amount $300)...
Surely some people must have sent him $300 and received a free demo
OU device then?? After all, even the famous "Nigerian royalty" scam suckered
thousands of people, so even if this were a scam too there should be people
who gave him money? And, if what Thrapp says is true, they should have
had a real OU device sent to them in return.
So where are they?
Did they have to sign an NDA perhaps? If so, why? Assuming you have
an OU device and want to spread it to the world by receiving donations
to fund your effort, then surely spreading the word as much as possible
and showing the people you can make working devices will be a lot more
productive than keeping everyones lips tightly sealed?
And if your goal really is to help the world by giving it free energy, then
why would you want to control the spread of this technology in the first place?

So I can only see two plausible scenarios: either mr Thrapp does indeed have
some working OU device but wants to control the tech and info for some reason,
while he seems to be claiming to be doing it all for the benefit of mankind,
and this is why nobody comes forward and shows us one of his devices,
which suggests he may be playing the morality card to obtain funds for his own
device manufacture and distribution chain,
or mr Thrapp is scamming people, taking their $300 and a signed NDA in exchange
for some toy and nobody has come forward to reveal this because of the NDA and/or
embarrasment.

But apart from all that logical thinking ;),
I would love to see one of these devices or hear from someone who has one,
and hear what we are actually talking about here.
After all, it is not difficult to obtain "impractical" amounts of energy.
It is the "practical" amounts we want. :)

Of course my scepticism is also fueled partly by the other
companies claiming to have OU devices, who have also been "selling"
them and production is always due to start in a couple of months.
And that date is always moved forward.
Lutec does it, MagneticPowerInc does it, "Gammamanager"/EBM does it,
they all have "working OU devices" and "working prototypes",
they're all "developing improved versions", they're all just months away from
starting production and have been for ages, they all pump out regular
"updates" a.k.a. advertisments, and they're all taking your money right now
if you're willing to give it.
Granted, they may even have OU devices.
But untill I see one, I remain sceptical. Blame me if you want. ;)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on July 01, 2008, 01:02:03 AM
ESA thats the first I heard that LIVE DEMO''S  lets have a field trip to Ohio     please find out more about that [if its corporate or engineers etc etc ] thanks Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on July 01, 2008, 01:23:50 AM
Well,
I should have told Mr. Thrapp this already in my interview,
that they should really do it the way,
first to give away something for free and then ask the people
to donate, if their giveaway device plans are usefull and
people can save money through it...

Maybe they should just give away the plans for the heating unit
for free and then , if this works in replications,
we can donate them some money.

If we save lots of money, by paying less
money for the water heating in our homes
we could at least donate the saved energy bills
for one or 3 months to Mr. Thrapp and his
community.

I guess this would be the best solution.

But just asking for donation without getting something
back or only vague description is not the way to go.
There have been too many scams, so Mr. Thrapp, if you read this,
please only first deliver
something for free and then the donations can start coming in..

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on July 01, 2008, 02:34:57 AM
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Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on July 01, 2008, 03:10:20 AM
STEPHAN good idea my electric bill is 300 a month right know    im in   900 bucks    call him   see if he will consider this approach  if so do a poll  lots of members here   Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 01, 2008, 03:21:34 AM
anyone care to hazard a guess what "the flux switch transformer" is in relation to the 3 videos that have been posted by WITTS?

(from the 2005 writeup: "the gravity motor or the flux switch transformer, or the milliwatt dominant energy converter.")
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 01, 2008, 05:12:38 AM
esaruoho:

Yes, exactly. (referring to what you said to Koen1)  I forgot that you were the one that offered to digitize the videos, something they said they could not do otherwise they would send them to everyone.  You, being the good person you are, offered this, and, correct me if I am wrong, they did not take you up on this.  So, you have to live in the states before they can take advantage of your free offer?

Look, I don't know everything, God knows I actually know very little.  Another guy offered to set up their website for them for free, and was told he has to donate $100.00 before they would allow him to do that.

You, as I said, seem like a nice guy interested in energy devices. (real ones)  So am I.  If you had this "lost" technology, what would you do?  I know I would need some money, even to give it away....websites, machine tools, etc.  Stuff costs money.  But, if you volunteered to to set up my website, or digitize my videos for free, I would NOT tell you I would only allow that if you first donate to me to prove you are serious.

I hope he really has something.  If he does, he is at the right place.  I have no problem for asking for money for operating expenses to get this technology out.  I would have to do that as well.  But, if you offered to freely digitize my videos so I could more easily contact the masses, I would have jumped on that in a heartbeat.

We are all he on this forum for basically the same reasons.  I just hate to see good people get sucked into what I think is a dead-end scam.  Maybe scam is too harsh a word but, the pieces don't fit is all I am saying.

Maybe, like we offered before, we can all donate some $$ and Stefan can order the "plans".  Better we all get ripped for $1 instead of one of us getting ripped for $300.  If this is the case, I am in, even given my previous stand.  It would be worth it to me to prove/disprove this before anyone else takes a bath.  And, if it is real, Stefan will know.

If the water heater works as advertised, hell, I would back these people to the end of the earth on the rest of their tech.

What do you think?

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 01, 2008, 06:05:56 AM

esaruoho:
Yes, exactly. (referring to what you said to Koen1)  I forgot that you were the one that offered to digitize the videos, something they said they could not do otherwise they would send them to everyone.  You, being the good person you are, offered this, and, correct me if I am wrong, they did not take you up on this.  So, you have to live in the states before they can take advantage of your free offer?
Look, I don't know everything, God knows I actually know very little.  Another guy offered to set up their website for them for free, and was told he has to donate $100.00 before they would allow him to do that.
You, as I said, seem like a nice guy interested in energy devices. (real ones)  So am I. 

hi bill. yeah, i offered to digitize. they said great! then they found out i was overseas, and the reaction was that it would be prohibitively expensive. i offered to pay for the postage, but there was never any response after that. which makes me believe that they chose a different method of approach.

If you had this "lost" technology, what would you do?  I know I would need some money, even to give it away....websites, machine tools, etc.  Stuff costs money.  But, if you volunteered to to set up my website, or digitize my videos for free, I would NOT tell you I would only allow that if you first donate to me to prove you are serious.

well. ive always been of the opinion, that the key is in opensource. you pick 5-30-150 people you trust, who know how to hold a soldering iron, who will build, and you  make the best stab you can, on your own, to do the most informative instructions, construction video, etc that you can, and you do a shopping-list, and make a kit. you pick 5 people, out of that trusted list of people, and send them the instructions, circuit schematics, the kit, shoppinglist, construction video.  youve picked well, and they construct the device, verify it working, write a diary during the construction, video the building. and then, you post all of that online (your instructions, kit and replication, their instructions, kit and replication). suddenly theres, say, 5 different replications of the same device, all documented working, with valid and accurate metering, etc. its not one guy with a webcam, its 6 people with webcams, all building it themselves. and then, you ask for donations, and sell the kit. thats how id go about it.
oh, and id send a care-package to keelynet, rexresearch, merlib  and  various alternative energy  r&d foundations, panacea-bocaf, for instance.
oh, and you send the kit, video and proper images to makezine, constructables and the other d-i-y hobbyists stuff.

what you DONT do is
1) litter the instruction pdfs with ranting against governments, oil companies, any people you deem bad
2) talk vaguely and with poor spelling
3) .. i cant come up with anything else.

Maybe, like we offered before, we can all donate some $$ and Stefan can order the "plans".  Better we all get ripped for $1 instead of one of us getting ripped for $300.  If this is the case, I am in, even given my previous stand.  It would be worth it to me to prove/disprove this before anyone else takes a bath.  And, if it is real, Stefan will know.
If the water heater works as advertised, hell, I would back these people to the end of the earth on the rest of their tech.
What do you think? Bill

sure. i would donate. it is obvious from the two interviews, and the third (jeane manning 2005) that they are in fund-raiser mode. what are they saying they are raising funds for? they are raising funds for a factory, to massmanufacture their devices.. hence the overunity + waterfuelmuseum promotion and the 3 videos.  i understand its pretty hard to accept that any of the things that they are doing, that we consider  outlandish, wrong or reminiscent of hoaxes, are actually covered by the blanket term  of  attempting to get funds to build a factory to mass-manufacture.

and yeah, i am very interested in funding anything that would eventually mean that i have that keely heating device. afte rall, the interviews di dmention that you could fan the sphere while it is running, for it to be a room-heater. so, warm room and hot water, thats pretty ace!

i always play around with the idea, what would really happen if you could exhaust the need that people have for money, i.e., lets say, that the 6th and 7th episodes of energy from the vacuum dvd series would be released if someone threw, i dunno, 6000$ to them. or if the wilhelm reich documentary would be produced filmed and released if the wilhelm reich foundation got 150,000$. or if i could send 280,000$ to the earthship biotecture people so they can build an earthship in new orleans and educate the people there on it. or if i could get together 200,000USD to send to the guy who did "free energy - race to zero point" to finance the next documentary he wants to do, which will be focused on water, viktor schauberger, etc. and then theres WITTS. and institute of ecological technology community in malm?. i always wonder, how many wheels could we get rolling with say, a million bucks. but i never seem to win in the lottery. pisses me off, to be honest.

itd be nice to play a game of place the money, of microfinancing alt.energy inventors, organizations and communities, _exactly like http://www.kiva.org/ is now doing for 3rd world country entrepeneurs._

its a crying shame there isnt such a service yet. on kiva.org, people make their plea "i make shoes. i need 600$ for a motorbike so i can deliver shoes to my customers" and people donate 25$ or more to it, i.e. poor people microfinance other poor people. or slightly richer people microfinance slightly poorer people.

_there should be a kiva.org equivalent for free energy scene_. then people could make up their own minds as to who to support, and it wouldnt be such a drag. someone throwing hundreds of thousands to a scammer is way worse than say 20$ being thrown by hundreds of people towards a thing that just might not be a scam!_

..
anyway..
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 01, 2008, 07:04:18 AM
I agree totally.  Let's see if Stefan is interested in setting up a donation fund raiser for us to all drop $1.  300 of us could then have the plans sent to Stefan and we can see what he says about it.  If Stefan gets the plans and the last page says something like....." send more money for the rest of the info...." then we will know something is not right.  If Stefan starts heating his own hot water with it, then we will know that too. I still say it smells like a scam, fund raising mode or not but, I am willing to sacrifice the sum of $1 to prove/disprove it.  If it is real, let's use it and spread the word, if not, let's move on.

What do you say Stefan?  (I still think you did a credible job on the interview. Thank you for doing that for us.)

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 01, 2008, 07:17:28 AM
I agree totally.  Let's see if Stefan is interested in setting up a donation fund raiser for us to all drop $1.  300 of us could then have the plans sent to Stefan and we can see what he says about it.  If Stefan gets the plans and the last page says something like....." send more money for the rest of the info...." then we will know something is not right.  If Stefan starts heating his own hot water with it, then we will know that too. I still say it smells like a scam, fund raising mode or not but, I am willing to sacrifice the sum of $1 to prove/disprove it.  If it is real, let's use it and spread the word, if not, let's move on.
What do you say Stefan?  (I still think you did a credible job on the interview. Thank you for doing that for us.)
Bill

erm, as far as i can see:
1) in 2005 they were selling one device plans per 100$ - thats not "on" anymore
2) in 2007 they were selling DVDvideos per 30-40$ - thats not "on" anymore
3) currently in 2007-2008 they are attempting to get as many people as possible to donate to them so they can massproduce their devices in a factory.

so im not sure what 300$ would achieve, except, according to the info available, 3 hours of consultation.
which is fine, if someone wants to finance james a. robey (waterfuelmuseum) to do another interview, im all for that.
the front page of the still-in-building witts page is asking for 300 people to regularly tithe them. i dont know if they are trying to get together 30,000USD, 300,000USD or 3 million USD. its very hard to say. 30 million usd? ;) 300 million? a million billion usd?

i hope that whenever the website is finished and launched, they will have a ChipIn widget  so we can see 1) how much they are looking for 2) how many have donated  (via paypal).
that should help.

anyway, ive mailed james a. robey now and asked if he would be game to interviewing thrapp again, as a continuance effort. i think it could be interesting, he teased quite a bit out of thrapp by, well, being an english speaker, and amicable.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 01, 2008, 07:42:55 AM
I am sorry, possibly I misspoke, or mistyped.  I thought, and this to may have changed lately, that $300.00 would purchase the plans for the hot water heater device alone.  If I am wrong, I stand corrected.  I think it would be useless for 3 hours of Q&A for that money.  Plans for a working device, yes.  Your interview idea is a good one but I have my doubts as to what might be actually revealed.  These guys are cagey if nothing else.  Possibly we might get a better picture of their intentions, I don't know.  I do know that they are not going to reveal how to build any working device in an interview.  I know I wouldn't.

As I said before, I am not really bothered by the money per se.  I am bothered by the money when that seems to be the primary goal at this point.  Build a manufacturing plant?  I have done this in my lifetime and, yes, it costs a lot of money.  I obtained loans but could have gathered investors if I went that route.  Has anyone done a background investigation on this guy?  Maybe I should do that.  It will cost me about $25.00 but maybe we can all learn something.  Let me know what you think.  Believe me, I want to trust and believe in this guy and his work.  Maybe he is a genius and just has no people skills or business sense and is going about this all the wrong way.  It has been done before.  Maybe it is something else.

There are a lot of people in our overunity community and that should count for something and give us just a little bit of power.  I think we just need to band together and see what we can do here.

Someone somewhere probably knows all about this guy, for better or worse, and we just need to find him.  Everyone has a history, unless this is not his real name.

Anyway,  I am glad we seem to be on the same page here.  I believe we all want the same things. (and it is not oil)

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Koen1 on July 01, 2008, 01:23:50 PM
Or time for Thrapp to quit acting mysterious about it and just very clearly
tell us what the "secret" is.
After all, if people are doing similar experiments already, why does he sit
on the "secret", why does he not help and offer constructive tips
based on those (claimed) 20+ years of experience?
Does he think he owns the concept?

@Bill: not a bad idea, really, to join forces an donate $1 each,
so that together we can get a demonstration and lecture,
which we could then video ourselves and share amongst ourselves
here on the forum!
The more I think about it, the better it seems. :)

@Stefan: what do you think? ;)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: pese on July 01, 2008, 03:06:46 PM
900 watts! Is nothing.
Don Matin have thos done before 2000 wit some Kwatts.

The origine source i read 2002 in net.

now, some informations are to find at Prof. Evert.Germany

http://www.evert.de/eft722e.htm  english


http://www.evert.de/eft722.htm  german


Gustav Pese
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Koen1 on July 01, 2008, 03:25:17 PM
sorry Pese, but 900 watts is nearly one kilowatt,
and since Thrapp claims they're demonstation devices
with impractical output this suggests they can
be upscaled.

By the way, that generator Evert is looking at, I have kept my eye
on that for a while too, but I see zero developments there.
What I read there now is exactly the same stuff as I read years ago.
I see nobody excitedly present their relatively simple inflated
tire generator on youtube, I hear nobody talking about running
their house off such a simple contraption...
... such a lack of developments makes me wonder what is happening.
Is anyone still working on this or are we just bouncing old info?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: pese on July 02, 2008, 12:09:33 AM
sorry Pese, but 900 watts is nearly one kilowatt,
and since Thrapp claims they're demonstation devices
with impractical output this suggests they can
be upscaled.

By the way, that generator Evert is looking at, I have kept my eye
on that for a while too, but I see zero developments there.
What I read there now is exactly the same stuff as I read years ago.
I see nobody excitedly present their relatively simple inflated
tire generator on youtube, I hear nobody talking about running
their house off such a simple contraption...
... such a lack of developments makes me wonder what is happening.
Is anyone still working on this or are we just bouncing old info?

shur i know 0,9KW.
Don Martin some mor KW . see the link.
also it existing bigger-one that you cant fin
with internet searching machines.
And this is good so. Use oil to help the
energy suppiers and industry : ???

Pese
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 02, 2008, 04:50:13 PM
I said it before and now I will say it again, this guy has something.  The problem is, his team, as experienced in this field as they may be (20 + years) they don't fully understand themselves, and cannot paint a picture which can be appreciated by the majority of people viewing.  Don't send them your money, do your homework, and see the truth for yourself.

The quote I extracted from that interview was presented before this thread came into existence!!!
URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

Read the highlights of the quote.  Referring to the red text, Trapp told you, and now you are seeing people do exactly what he said in that thread!  The bold text reveals simply that a 100 volt DC source was pulsed, in my view, this DC source served two functions:

1. charged the capacitor of the capacitive discharge circuit. 
2. was the voltage source for a high voltage step up transformer.

In the quote he says he drove a cell, however, this cell could be viewed in the same manner as we view the spark plug.  The cell therefore is easily replaced by a spark plug.

In reference to the underlined portion of the quote, the most important part of the quote.  We are informed that an RF envelope was placed over the DC.  The same thing is being done in that water fuel thread, use of the ignition coil.  The major difference between what Trapp has indicated and what is taking place on that thread is comprehension.  Experimenters and researchers in general, don't fully appreciate the function of the RF envelope as it has been labeled by Trapp.  For instance the majority on that particular thread only see the high voltage discharges as being a means for ionizing the gap space, prior to the discharging of the capacitor.  This ionization is only a small fraction of what is actually taking place!  If ionization was all that was going on, Trapp wouldn't have associated this RF window with what he termed the "Dominant" energy field.  Instead of follow the leader, attention to detail is what is really needed!  You all are very close, examine all that you have been given, only then will you be able to take action based on knowledge versus information.  You now know that Trapp's "Dominant" energy field is directly related to RF.  Time to go back to the old school books!

Regards

thank you erfinder, as always :)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 06, 2008, 02:03:32 AM
anyone care to hazard a guess what "the flux switch transformer" is in relation to the 3 videos that have been posted by WITTS?
(from the 2005 writeup: "the gravity motor or the flux switch transformer, or the milliwatt dominant energy converter.")

ok.. whats the best page currently on the history of gravity motors? it seems to be a continuous running theme in the 2005, 2007 and 2008 interviews (jeane manning, james a. robey, stefan hartmann), that WITTS want to develop a gravity motor "buildable by a person with an IQ of 100 or higher" "that would be simple enough to be built without too many parts", etc. and to give that out on a donation-basis.

in regards the 26 or more types of electricity (none of them being "electron flow"), there does seem to be a connection to what John Bedini is saying  in Energy From The Vacuum part 2, about there being more forms of energy than the one measurable by "electron flow". has anyone spent time looking into how the descriptions of both of these people mesh together? sure, Bedini calls it  the gaseous ether, going back to what Gerry Vassilatos wrote about Tesla's Impulse DC / Impulse energy,  and Thrapp calls it dominant energy engineering, but it does seem like they are both talking about the same thing, but in different ways.

its been an interesting couple of days, starting from 26th june.  since http://www.WITTs.ws (http://www.WITTs.ws) links us to a Joomla log-in page, i have great hopes that there is a website coming for WITTS. maybe even very soon?

the erfinder analysis was definitely very interesting, but still for some reason, no matter who says anything about electrolyzer methods, we're still stuck with articles like http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1769/69/ (http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1769/69/), voicing general "i dont believe it, its impossible" opinions of the eco-web-communities  against water being possible to be used as a fuel.

the mentions in the james a. robey interview about a radiant energy booster, and a hydroxy mileage boosters  lead me to wonder whether the forthcoming website might have a hydroxy mileage booster for sale? any opinions, would this prove that WITTS/Thrapp is more legit, or would it do more of the opposite?

i for one would love to purchase the keely spherical heating device, seems to be a dinky piece of work. im sure it would be great to have Peter Davey  analyze the device, and to have Timothy Thrapp analyze Davey's machine. they, after all, seem to be on the same foundations of vibration+frequency+resonance. but theres no contact details to peter davey, are there? a phonenumber? anyone?

by the way, does anyone know of an affordable device that would allow one to record a mobile phone conversation, perhaps a plugin device to the cell-phone?  or to record a skype conversation,maybe?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 06, 2008, 06:02:36 AM
@ esaruoho:

First, make sure you are in a "one-party" state before recording any telephone conversations.  (If you live in the US)
You can obtain a list by looking on Google.  I believe about 30 states are one party states.  This simply means that only one party has to consent to having the conversation taped, and you can be that one party.  If you have the other party's consent, then it doesn't matter.

OK.  The best way I have found to record cell phones, especially since there are so many brands and types, is to purchase a small micro cassette recorder (about $25.00) and use the speaker phone feature on the cell phone.  This will record both sides of the conversation and is reasonably clear.  I record conversations all the time using this method and it works well.  Not as good as a wire connection would be but, then you run into issues like it only records your voice and not the other end, or visa-versa.  Sometimes you get lucky and get the proper cord that does both.  If this is available, this is the best way but, I usually go with the speaker phone (hands free) setting.  I hope this helps.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 06, 2008, 10:29:48 AM
thanks! i guess i can wait till october, and use this induction suction cup microphone  on an actual land-line phone, i have three of them (and they're great for recording the sounds of, for instance, adaptors, power supply units, displaycards and any other type of electrical noises that for instance laptops or even flatscreen give out. oh, and usbstick pulses (on write+read) are dinky too.  hang on, this has nothing to do with the topic anymore! ..

anyone care to guestimate how much money WITTS are looking for, to build a factory to massmanufacture devices? a mate of mine suggested they might need 3 mil, and 5mil next year due to the economy? does that sound reasonable for a "mass-manufacturing factory"?

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 08, 2008, 03:07:56 PM
That part in the broadcast where he said he discovered a way to grow limbs back on dogs and people, but it was being suppressed sounded like a load of crap to me.

he never said "he discovered" anything. he said that WITTS had a person working for them, who had worked under that antoine priore character, from france, and they were working at it.
i suppose this page will be as good a link on antoin priore as any:
http://www.cheniere.org/priore/index.html (http://www.cheniere.org/priore/index.html)
seems like theres a connection to t.h.moray's devices too, at least according to what's stated on the other pages on cheniere.org which focus on priore.
http://www.rexresearch.com/priore/priore.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/priore/priore.htm)
"Office of Naval Research, (London) ~ Report R-5-78 (August 16, 1978) A Biologically Active Combination of Modulated Magnetic and Microwave Fields: The Priore Machine "

anyway.. i did listen to the thrapp interview, as did you - and it really didnt seem to me that thrapp "discovered" anything regarded to priore, but they did do some research&re-development, with the help of a person who worked with priore back in the .. 60s?70s?



Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 08, 2008, 03:18:27 PM
I noticed the google video is no longer available.    Suppression? or Incompetence?   :)
EM

is it really true that the longer (over 10 minute) googlevideo was never archived+downloaded by _anyone?_
*frustration*

i got in touch with jeane manning and asked her if she could make the timothy thrapp interview available that she saw back in 2004-2005.. she said she'd look into it.

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 08, 2008, 03:23:11 PM
EMDevices:
First, I very much enjoy your posts.
I think you are on to something here.  I also believe this unit is real.   There are similarities to historical and current OU systems that are remarkable.  Most of the Bedini motors are resonantly coupled, tesla coils are resonantly coupled, the TPU effects seemed to be based on resonance, etc.

I think your idea of measuring capacitor resonance is brilliant.   As Bearden says, any dipole is a source of infinite energy. A capacitor is nothing but a large dipole. Resonant induction may enable the capacitor to be charged by local vacuum energy. Or to paraphrase Bedini, perhaps we can "ping" the capacitor into resonance with the local active vacuum.  I have a feeling that the key to all these systems is the timing/switching and the proper use of resonant coupling.

As for this 900W generator, I think it looks very similar to a Bedini system combined with elements of a TPU.  I do not think this is a coincidence.

however, it appears that Thrapp has not studied or seen Bedini's systems, and has only, thus far, seen this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=q3I9RUCrjoQ (http://youtube.com/watch?v=q3I9RUCrjoQ).

surely its possible to reach the "resonant coupling" "dipole" etc stuff by researching Thomas Henry Moray, Nikola Tesla, Nathan Stubblefield, John Keely, Hendershot and the rest?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 08, 2008, 03:31:37 PM
For those that didn't see or hear it yet, here is a 1 hour interview with Thomas Thrapp.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/2007/09/29/timothy (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/2007/09/29/timothy)
They go over everything: his upbringing, first thoughts for OU, history of Thrapp's attempts, specific devices and how they work, etc....This interview makes it harder to just 'write this guy off' as a conman, seriously...

http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/witts/show_101409.mp3 (http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/witts/show_101409.mp3)

its a decent, far-ranging interview, going from his childhood thoughts on a gravity motor, to  the ether + reich's orgone etheric cloud thinking, thrapp's income from building + real-estate, to antoine priore, something on royal raymond rife, and john keely, obviously.

i hope there are some further audio interviews of the guy, i for one would like to hear them.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 08, 2008, 03:35:13 PM
How do you think the water heater works? I know it's resonance, but notice one thing, the temp is taken from the outside of the sphere so it's heating the metal as well as the water inside!

i found it to be such a dinky idea that with the keely sphere heating device, fanning the sphere one could use it as a home-heater. that's fairly interesting.
by the way, i wonder how much the components and raw materials would cost, in addition to the factory itself (which some estimate at 3million dollars  to build a factory?).. surely the materials would cost quite a bit too?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 08, 2008, 03:48:01 PM
When interviewing him, be sure to ask about his tractor that runs on water.  HHO.  Bob Boyce knows this individual, and I believe has seen his tech in person.  He is an Amish gentleman, who has given his life on these devices.  I am surprised those video's have surfaced, as he himself has.  He must be fundraising for his projects to be expanded. This is what I know of him, I hope that it helps.  He is said to be honest. Cheers, Bruce

note the "he must be fundraising for his projects to be expanded". every interview has been talking about sorting out enough funding for a factory, to mass-produce, and about making a simple enough gravity motor  so that people wont give up on building it - i.e. something that when people see the circuit they dont just hold up their hands and go "its too complex". something which happened with the..
Flux Switch Transformer.

so who on this overunity.com forum has been around in the beginning of the 90s  to remember anything about the Flux Switch Transformer?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 08, 2008, 03:53:16 PM
The  Delay line  motor  video  had what  to me is a  red flag ,  The  guy asking the  questions   asked something like how does it work ....... The  answer involved  thunderstorms  .........totally  unhelpful

..unless if we consider that Tesla was obsessed with lightning. yes, Thrapp does mention lightning quite a few times in the three interviews, and some friends of mine are also interested in finding an answer to the question what is the inner force in charge of the manifestation of lightning, and how can that be tapped. i.e., what's really going on, in the advanced energy studies'  comprehension of, lightning

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 08, 2008, 03:53:56 PM
If something comes of this  which I would be very surprised if it didn't  some sort of infrastructure will need to be established to assist in the rapid advance of these techs.

hence why they were mentioning, in the WaterFuelMuseum interview, about distributor dealership organization, within u.s. states, and whole countries in europe.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 08, 2008, 03:57:32 PM
, i cant help but thik from all the ideas and stuff here on OU.com that there must be some simple thing that works some where!, well id like to think so any way.

well, it appears that Thrapp believes the simplest thing would be a gravity motor, simple enough to be built by a person with an IQ of 100 or higher. there is some mentions of previous devices having simply been way too complex to be built by people, even mention of people refusing to try to build it because they couldn't comprehend it = it wasn't simple enough. if they had these types of experiences in the past, of people refusing to build even with given plans, then one choice would be to perfect something so simple, so virtually idiot-proof, that anyone could build it -- he's betting on a gravity motor  being simple enough for people to comprehend & build.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 08, 2008, 04:08:34 PM
To come back on the original subject, the 900 watt generator. The capacitorbank is not used for
resonance at all. An average motor coil is about 0.7 Hy. To get to 100 Hz one needs a capacitor of
3,5 uF. And that box is full of capacitors. That should give a big clue. Don't let people get you down
by saying it costs 1000's of dollars to develop because that's work of mindless ignorants.
Statement:
Months later, when you know the principles, I tell you that on the 9 pages of this thread, the complete
description is given ! In other words; you have all of the ingredients and you are unable to make the
bread. Now that is very sad for pre 1920's technology. ???  Are you so boxed in ? So enslaved by
manipulative schooling ? Come on, stop your emotions, do as German scientist and crack it.
I predict you; you will hit yourselves by not seeing it's already complete on these pages !

i wonder how this reply goes with the erfinder response to the 100hz capacitors run in resonance.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 08, 2008, 04:25:16 PM
the james a. robey  DVD -- waiting for him to respond.

James Robey was never given a DVD to own, so he cannot sell/donate it to MERLib.
Jeane Manning said that once she gets in touch with the person who showed her the videotape with a Timothy Thrapp interview, that she'll get in touch with me -- not sure if it's going to happen.

there's no word - for now - on how many videos are going to pop up on the WITTS webpage. and if the ones that Manning and Robey have seen will be on there.


Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Koen1 on July 08, 2008, 06:46:15 PM
Dude, you're replying to posts over 2 months old!
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on July 08, 2008, 07:04:10 PM
Dude, you're replying to posts over 2 months old!

yep, im also listening to radiointerviews 3 months old, 10 months old  and reading an interview thats like at least 24 months old. on videos that were posted at least 4-7 months ago!
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 08, 2008, 11:01:35 PM

By raising past ideas you are relighting a spark in all who choose to read your offerings...like me.

Thanks for taking the time to care enough to raise these ideas again...you certainly got my thoughts forming.

Every little thought or idea has the potential to lead to something significant if left to develop naturally and spontaneously.

Keep up the good work.

Althou I have no doubt that the technology Thrapp speaks of exists, I am not sure if he has or can deliver it.

I am very leery of people with such important technology holding it back while people are starving all over the world...in the same way big business interests have long been responsible for suppressing or withholding similar advanced technology.

I am still confident the resourceful thinkers here will hit on something.

Regards...

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Newtonian God on August 03, 2008, 09:38:38 PM
Fellows  20+yrs research 20+ scientists  these guys have the goods   they sound more and more like they see the problem [our planet] and want to help  there is a definite a increase in the advertising  of them wanting to help   Chet PS read more   this man[Mr Thrapp] talks the talk  like no one I ever heard  Chet


Wow Chet, what free energy scams don't you buy into? You have climbed into bed with crazy man Archer Quinn, now these crazies?

If these guys were for real wouldn't they be more concerned with saving the world than trying to profit from it?

Do you realize how many people are dying every day that could be saved by free energy?

If they gave it away they would bring in more in tax free donations than the Catholic church.

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o They are actually losing millions every day by holding it back!  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Can you not see what a total SCAM this is?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on August 05, 2008, 08:24:11 PM
NEWT its Religion !! everyone thinks theirs is' THE ONE' giving their discoveries to us [the engish?] is probably a sin I quess ? they sacrafice much [I quess they earn their way to heaven this way?] do I think 20 scientists working as one mind towards a goal they firmly believe in for over 20 years can get results?? ABSOLUTELY!!! will they use this to save others [souls]? NO IDEA  !! YES the concept of not sharing life saving information seems EVIL but I dont understand their belief system  I don't know if they are missionary or isolationists I Think you have to be born into this belief system the rest are fodder? Chet   PS Kinda missed you Newt
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: superman24u on December 16, 2008, 08:30:44 PM
Chet, Stephen, ET ALL , I came across this bog and have read all your posts, so intriguing! I was able to track and understand as you were undertaking the gathering of clews to fully understand and possibly start up a few experiments of your own towards having a generator or other device to gain a foothold in overunity. What happened? column #41 and it drooped dead. I'm thinking that some of the talent in this group have bonded to privately press on! Mr. Davey (the 92 year old gentleman from Australia) has a terrific invention.Is there some one out there who could see how much he would want of future revenues from the manufacture of his invention? Think about baseboard heating homes with his unit supplying the boiling water instantly. A simple foot switch controlling a thermostat heat control. Individual units @4 feet in length and free standing to be shipped anywhere. Filled with automotive antifreeze , plug ed in, and placed where needed for heat by the purchaser. No installation. Who knows about a company that produces the old boiler fed baseboard heaters that would jump at the chance to adapt an ultra sonic resonating 50HM unit to their present product. Perhaps revamp their boiler and have a complete system that supplies all hot water/ heating needs for dollars per year. I know there is some one reading this that just thought about an old friend who used to be involved in the industry....call them! Need help, just ask! Other thoughts? jimmy
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: b0rg13 on December 16, 2008, 08:49:49 PM
im pretty sure Mr Davy is from NZ.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: storre on December 16, 2008, 08:53:44 PM
I'm still here and watching this thread but am waiting for my copper sheet to arrive any day. Unfortunately I live in an area that makes these types of projects evolve slowly because of difficulty in getting material. Makes me spend more time on research and ideas which maybe isn't a bad thing :)

steve
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on December 16, 2008, 09:12:48 PM
SUPERMAN[Jimmy Olsen?]
I believe the old man lives in Christ Church New Zealand
Someone should talk to the guy
 Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on February 13, 2009, 03:46:53 PM
WITTS webpage.. found it by looking for world improvement through the spirit ministries.

http://www.enlightenedtechnology.com/ (http://www.enlightenedtechnology.com/)

some selections from the FAQ:
--I have a large amount of funding to give away to this cause. Can I talk with you and set it up?
So far, everyone who has contacted us with this scenario does not actually have the resources represented or are too greed focused to turn loose of any. Our experience has demonstrated talks with these potential capital sources progress little and take significant time and effort to manage.
If you really have money to help with this cause, then make a donation. You may then choose to setup a time for a consultation with our minister/scientist/engineer to discuss further potential arrangements. (A two-hundred dollar donation is requested for a one-hour reservation.)

--How does your generator/motor/device work?
Presently the advanced principles employed in their operation is beyond the scope of most people's understanding of electricity and physics. In the future we hope this will change. Primarily their functioning relies on the (re)discoveries of Michael Faraday, John Worrell Keely, Nathan Stubblefield, Nikola Tesla and others often left out of modern scientific and engineering texts.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on February 14, 2009, 01:09:43 PM
Hi folks, I would just like to give some information, however i dont know what relevance it has towards any particular device. This man approached me and started talking about frequencies and music related things like scales, notes, octaves. Anyway it was so out of the ordinary that i thought id post it, and the main thing he wanted me to know was a440 which is 440 hertz and said its what orchestras tune at. well for whatever thats worth there it is.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on March 23, 2009, 10:58:32 AM
the new WITTS page has been launched. its at http://www.witts.ws/ (http://www.witts.ws/) . i've gone through it, and currently it has (for free) the two waterfuelmuseum interviews (a new one from march 2009? apparently cut short by the phoneline disconnecting both of them? havent heard it yet, but will listen to it hopefully tonight or the next day). also, it has the 3 videos we've already grown accustomed to.

since i've donated some money to them over the times, they sent me a login for accessing their people-who-donated-only-pages, and it has, currently,  23 statements from engineers who all testify with their knowledge and understanding of engineering that   this or that device of theirs works. there's also a heating bill and an electrical bill  from (i believe) two different people who have witts devices installed. i think there'll be more in a while, lets see how it goes.
i hope they'll soon have some payperview videos available so i can check out what else they've filmed over the years.

the statements (the ones that have dates) range from 1995, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2008 and 2009.

i see they've gone from accepting any donations to either 25$ or 200$ donations - i.e. to become a member and have access to the stuff that they put on their site.
http://www.enlightenedtechnology.com/donate.html (http://www.enlightenedtechnology.com/donate.html)

well, i for one am looking forward to listening to the march2009 interview.. and witts is still on my lottery win shoppinglist.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Gauss on May 07, 2009, 11:08:53 AM
About them Sterling Allen ran an interview with Timothy yesterday:

http://pesn.com/2009/05/06/9501538_TimothyThrapp-WITTS_dominant_energy_field/

Very interesting indeed and I guess they will post more info soon and then public interest for sure will take off.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on May 27, 2009, 08:03:05 AM
About them Sterling Allen ran an interview with Timothy yesterday:

http://pesn.com/2009/05/06/9501538_TimothyThrapp-WITTS_dominant_energy_field/

Very interesting indeed and I guess they will post more info soon and then public interest for sure will take off.

well i do hope that soon they will have a webpage where one can purchase their quantum energy enhancer technologies and the quantum mileage booster tech and that quantum solar panel tech.. and plans. im still waiting to get to do that gift-page, and i hope it will very soon be created, i for one can't wait to see their descriptions + pictures and prices.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on May 27, 2009, 03:51:55 PM
Gauss
Esa

I share your enthusiasm regarding Witts [and appreciate your pursuit of these techs]

They can blow this whole field wide open, with just one good contribution from their scientists

Our world and theirs would change for the better

Chet


http://pesn.com/2009/05/06/9501538_TimothyThrapp-WITTS_dominant_energy_field/
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on June 09, 2009, 04:17:56 PM
ok, hiya.. here is the little page that i volunteered to do for WITTS. i've ordered the fere energy 101 eBook and will be purchasing the atmospheric energy converter kit. lets see what they are like.

have a look at the page.
http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/wittsgiftpage/ (http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/wittsgiftpage/)  - basically since they are in fundraising mode, but do want to answer to those who want to build kits or purchase plans or stuff, people can support the WITTS fundraiser  and  get a little something back too.

anyway, i/MERLib stay unaffiliated. just helping out.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: esaruoho on June 19, 2009, 08:16:26 PM
well, it worked! me doing a shite pge made the webmaster do a decent page.

and ad dsome link to a pdf. here's the links:
http://www.witts.ws/gifts.html (http://www.witts.ws/gifts.html)  - giftspage
"Also added a new item on the "Technologies" page linking to Greg Volk's PDF paper on 39 Questionable Assumtions in Modern Physics.   http://www.witts.ws/docs/39QuestionableAssumptionsinModernPhysics.pdf (http://www.witts.ws/docs/39QuestionableAssumptionsinModernPhysics.pdf)"


maybe this'll help. who knows
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on January 22, 2010, 03:15:00 PM
Hi,
WITTS.WS
just posted a longer video in 3 parts of their updated fuelless generator with
a new smaller capacitor bank:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFu-s6ZmGyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgEsSOphlp8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1aANEuTGw

So, the question is, if this really works,
why don´t they just publish the plans for their water heater
and thus generate trust, so that people would also donate for this ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: gauschor on January 22, 2010, 03:59:44 PM
Come on people.... this is an obivous fraud and joke. I can't believe you put this thing on the front page of overunity.com... I watched Witt's first video in september. Same shit. A look at their "gift" site shows how ridiculous everything is with their "lab tour" with a cost of 10.000$ etc. The whole point of this website is to milk money out of stupid believers.

Just for your consideration: why should a website claiming their spiritual and harmonic goal for the whole world and mankind do nothing else but forward you to paying a whole lot of money? I leave you alone with your guesses...
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: EMdevices on January 22, 2010, 05:53:08 PM
Hi Stefan,

thank you for bringing these videos to our attention.   I like the fact that they allow a closer view of the device, and show us the back side.

what still bothers me about this demonstration is the fact the light bulb panel is bolted to a table, there could be hidden wires, I know the producer says he inspected it for himself.

The second thing that's a bit odd is the fact that he has to turn off the light bulbs one by one, when "shutting off" the machine.  He says something about surges.  Well his DC to AC converter should handle that just fine. One main ON/OFF switch should do.

Other than that I'm intrigued.  I like their new smaller capacitor bank design as well.  Now it appears from the close ups that the device has four quadrants and two main coils that he refers to as "vibrators". 

The ministry aspect and asking for money detracts immensely from their credibility, I wish they would just leave that part out.   Stefan,  do they know about the over-unity prize?  They should enter it.  Lot's of money in the pot !!

EM
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on January 22, 2010, 11:57:15 PM
Esarouho

Thank you for the field trip and sharing the videos and pictures of the  Steorn Orbo  in Dublin
I know you have been in touch with Witts

If you can find out if they will allow a visit like Steorn is doing?

Maybe they realize the time to be Benevolent to the" ENGLISH"[Amish word for all" non Amish"]] is upon them.

The silly 10,000.00 visit might be a thing of the past
Find out if we can do a field trip to Ohio ?

It would be nice to return the favor on this side of the pond.
[for your trip to Dublin}

Chet

@ EM
yes lots more info and Tim looks 20 years younger[maybe they have something for that too]
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: 4Tesla on January 23, 2010, 12:14:34 AM
They behave like a scam.. can't even meet with them without making a donation.  ::)

I want to believe it is real, but the video isn't enough to convince me.

4Telsa
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on January 23, 2010, 01:20:45 AM

4Tesla

We live in the World of the internet
These guys have been around quite a while
They claim to go "all" the way back in F E

I have never ever seen one guy or heard anyone  anywhere  come forward after a consult and say these guys took my money and screwed me.
"NEVER"
They are just a bunch of religious fellows that don't realize there silence /marketing technique is responsible for untold numbers of Deaths worldwide every day!!

The Oil guys, Gov'ts ,Pharmacy companies,Big business, step over the bodies of the dead and dying every day ,to go play Golf or whatever.
Who would have thought  Timothy Thrapp Asking God fearing folks to contribute, would join the likes of  them.
They're minds are poisoned ,Detached from the reality of the Deaths their silence and perhaps Greed is causing.
Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 23, 2010, 04:04:29 AM

If he were as 'God' oriented as his verbiage would suggest, then he would have already realized with according to him 20 years of sitting on a self running generator, that in making everyone wealthy, he would also enrich himself beyond that publicly as the man who freed the world.

And if he were to release the water heater method lets say, maybe the principle involved would unlock everything.

Either way, profit seems to be the main message communicated in his presentation...and I have to say that any exterior or higher influence on my life path has me concerned by that fact.

Logic and moral compass appear to be given little or no significance in this equation.

I do not feel moved by anything to 'donate' a penny to that stated cause.

Regards...

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: dradak1 on January 23, 2010, 04:08:43 PM
...
I can't believe you put this thing on the front page of overunity.com...
....

Hi gauschor,

Only part from your message that I don't agree is the beginning that I quote. Just think - what is the best way to inform as many people as you can about fraud or discoveries.
I like Stefan approach - he bring to this page what he find interesting and live up to us to work/think and expose fraudulent ones.   

Thanks,

Dragan
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: dradak1 on January 23, 2010, 04:19:19 PM

I want to believe it is real, but the video isn't enough to convince me.

4Telsa

Thanks 4Tesla - you took my words.  :)

...Stefan,  do they know about the over-unity prize?  They should enter it.  Lot's of money in the pot !!

EM

In which case they do not need any donation.  ;)

Thanks,

Dragan
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: FatBird on January 24, 2010, 02:45:11 PM
I believe it is a real working unit.  It looks like the Stator has a Coil all the way around for the Collector, and the Rotor is Spinning Neo Magnets.  My guess is there are 4 or 8 Neo Magnets spinning around causing a ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELD.

I think the Caps are to Smooth out the DC Output.

==========================================================

Here is why they are being Super Cautious:

Dr. Trapp states that if governments were FOR this technology instead of against it, a home-power generator the size of a desktop computer could be built and sold for about the same cost as fuel powered generators or less.

When Dr. Trapp moved back from Alaska, upon arrival, the shipping container containing his tools, equipment, etc., had been emptied. In spring 2001, Trapp’s lab in Arizona was raided. At the end of 2001 two WITS scientist assistants were (and currently still are) in Ohio prison on trumped up drug charges.

In the past 20 years the U.S. Government has destroyed over 14 WITTS laboratories. As recently as spring 2006 a WITTS laboratory burned to the ground. The contents of each laboratory contained millions of dollars worth of equipment and several costly free energy machines. Dr. Trapp’s laboratories were raided, his equipment was smashed, and his people were beaten and arrested numerous times on false charges. False evidence was planted many times.

After beating up one of his WITTS salesmen, the salesman was then killed by driving the salesman’s car off a cliff. Another WITTS employee was also murdered by U.S. Government and so-called law enforcement agents. There have been numerous attempts on the lives of Dr. Trapp as well as many of his associates.

Dr. Trapp wrote “This really should be a wake-up call to the people of America who believe we have religious freedom here. We don’t, when it comes to anything that might help the little guy.


.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on January 24, 2010, 03:04:19 PM
Large Bird

All that being said[yes I heard this too]
They need a better marketing technique

The clock is ticking!!

Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Mark69 on January 24, 2010, 04:31:08 PM
If they want to protect themselves and stop the harassment, why not just release the plans for all to have instead of trying to make lots of money?  If it were true, then they would win the Nobel prize, overunity prize, and the gratitude of millions.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: gauschor on January 24, 2010, 04:36:35 PM
In the past 20 years the U.S. Government has destroyed over 14 WITTS laboratories...

Stop it. Now it's getting ridiculous. Please, use your brains. If government wants to stop someone they would have stopped Witts long time ago. Their website is public and everyone can read it. So, how come they still exist and praise their products (and themselves)? - Exactly, because the whole story is made up and nothing but a big bad joke.
You know what? If I knew I could never ever make any profit of my invention because the bad boys from FBI destroy my labs and marketing efforts each time (killing salesmen) - it would be pure ignorance and stupidity to continue trying to sell the invention. The one and only reason why they exist, is because they have no OU device.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: FatBird on January 24, 2010, 04:36:42 PM
@ Mark69

If they want to protect themselves and end the harassment, why not just release the plans for all to have instead of trying to make lots of money?  If it were true, then they would win the Nobel prize, overunity prize, and the gratitude of millions.

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Good points.  I think it is due to old fashioned GREED.  EVERYBODY seems to think that they can PATENT and market their O/U Devices and MAKE MONEY!!

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It looks like the Stator has a Coil all the way around for the Collector, and the Rotor is Spinning Neo Magnets.  But the videos say there are no magnets.

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Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: FatBird on January 24, 2010, 05:08:48 PM
Caps Wiew.  It looks like they are all in Parallel?

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Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on January 24, 2010, 05:56:10 PM
Gauschor

Of course you are right, there is only one way to make electricity,

Or we would have it by now!!

I think I'll take the kids for a ride up to Niagara Falls
The greatest, bestest, smartest thing ever created by man is there.
Has to be right!!
100 plus years!! the only thing that old thats still
""state of the art""
The Niagra Power Plant

WWOOOWWEEEEE!!!

Chet
PS You wanna buy a bridge??
PPS
who knows? The "silk road" lasted 5000 years??
Maybe we still have 4900 years of bondage
After all that was "Magic" tooo!!
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 24, 2010, 07:28:59 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that the guy in the first video says this device uses no magnets?  This is the first video on the OU home page.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: crowclaw on January 24, 2010, 09:09:39 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that the guy in the first video says this device uses no magnets?  This is the first video on the OU home page.

Bill
I noticed the scrolling script at the beginning of the video also states no magnets.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: tadejstenta on January 24, 2010, 10:43:22 PM
fatbird
if I want to work on the basis of conspiracy, i just hire a few "suspicious" cooworkers and Voila  here it goes .... never ending story

all
my thinking is, that this is based on rotoverter system: no magnets in generator , bank of capacitors, electronics took electric, Variac on start ,....
only diference from the original RV, is self built generator, Which can be modified three phase motor (no magnets)

but thats my thinking, and if it works as they said than its one good thing for all of us.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: dradak1 on January 24, 2010, 11:36:32 PM
fatbird
if I want to work on the basis of conspiracy, i just hire a few "suspicious" cooworkers and Voila  here it goes .... never ending story

all
my thinking is, that this is based on rotoverter system: no magnets in generator , bank of capacitors, electronics took electric, Variac on start ,....
only diference from the original RV, is self built generator, Which can be modified three phase motor (no magnets)

but thats my thinking, and if it works as they said than its one good thing for all of us.

I think that our problem is not thinking clear here (regardless of my opinion that is another hoax) - when he said "... no magnets..." - doesn't mean no magnet fields there (brushes can bring electricity to the coils) - OR maybe they "found" the way to take energy combining electricity & gravity (without magnet field ?!?).
Anyway - IMO - if we like to reach OU - we have to find a way to combine all three (G&M&E).

Thanks,

Dragan

   
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Peculian on January 26, 2010, 01:39:51 AM
Hi guys of overunity.com !  :)
I was for a "visit" on their website now,and leaved to them a message >

"Hi guys !
Seems good work.But I`am not sure if you are a bunch of scamers or true Energy leaders. Have a look at this website >
www.overunity.com
They have a great price for the one/s who
give to the world energy freedom.
And if your work is true and you wish to sincerely help our planet,than I wish
you good progress. < this was the mesage and the subject: Overunity-Price .

Let`s see if they will come here for discusions.  ;)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: 4Tesla on January 26, 2010, 08:35:24 AM
@Peculian

Welcome to the forum!

4Tesla
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: markdansie on January 26, 2010, 12:35:20 PM
@all,
no cigar for this one, it doesnt work.
Sorry, I have a lot of knowledge of this device and people who have seen it in person.
Sorry to blow you bubble again
PS I have met the inventor in person, he is a nice person.
Mark
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: powerunlimited on January 26, 2010, 01:54:51 PM
to markdansie: doesn't work as in fraud or inventor mistaken.I think its a fraud ac wires coming thru the bottom of the floor hidden going thru one of the 2 by 4's by a hole drilled thru going into the blue box that hooks to the lamps,my guess.A good trick,I did a replication on the
elemental rods and the small suit case ERR,there posted on youtube.So many frauds,however I think one day we will see a real free energy device.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on January 26, 2010, 02:09:51 PM
Hi Mark,
maybe you can tell us more about your meeting ?

Here are 2 guys, who come forward having witnessed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2IFT9wm-c8

So are they valid ?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: TM23 on January 26, 2010, 06:17:49 PM
Hello Stefan,

I am one of the guys in the recent video posted on the WITTS YouTube Channel.  I'll attempt to answer some questions here if you would like, however, I don't know how much time I'll have to do so.  I typically stay off public forums but it's time people start to wake up and quit being so cynical about technology (and people) they don't understand.  Also, I feel with so much blatant corruption taking place in so many areas of our world, the timing is better than ever for folks to start opening their beliefs to new ideas and become actively engaged in changing our paradigm.  A good beginning is for people to be tolerant of others who might have world views that seem somewhat different than their own.

First thing I want people to realize is that this technology is real.  I have thoroughly examined many of the prototypes myself on multiple occasions and have talked to others who have also verified the devices.  It's real.

Second - For everyone out there who suggest that WITTS should disclose the technology to allow opensource replications. (I leaned toward this myself when first getting to know Sir Timothy Thrapp and the ministry.)  Honestly, now I don't think it would solve the issue of getting real machines out into the world to help humanity.  WITTS past experience has indicated very few people are technically inclined or motivated to build anything themselves, much less something that would require the commitment to spend more than a few hundred dollars.  They had released instructions years ago on the flux switched transformer and virtually no one was interested.  Finally Jean-Louis Naudin was persuaded to build it and found it did indeed perform as stated - we all know where it ended up.  Even this device requires significant resources to build, tune and test it properly.  Not something the average tech is willing to commit.
There are effects manifesting in many of these devices that few people understand.  When Sir Timothy speaks of dominant energy, he's not making these things up.  This is the model from which they understand how to engineer these machines.  Many conventional engineers are not open to challenging their dogma to accommodate principles that are foreign to their experience.  They want to relate things to what they think they know.
I'm certain that once the initial tech is put into production, the details of dominant energy engineering will start to be disseminated among responsible developers.

Finally, one last item.  I have spent significant funds building and researching overunity devices full time for 8 years or so.  I am familiar with many of the problems associated with measuring unusual circuits and electrical input/outputs.  I had seen some success with my own work but it was far from being perfected or practical.  The technology WITTS has developed is quite mature given their extremely underfunded operation.  They are not rolling in dough with their pleas for donations - far from it.  I made it my full time focus to help them procure funding in some way.  I don't get paid for this.

I do hope this introduction is somehow productive.
Peace,
Tim Martin
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: baroutologos on January 26, 2010, 06:28:55 PM
Most of what you say its true concernign the building fo such a machine. If you tell me to make and provide me full specs of a small  internal combustion engine, i would say i cannot. too much machining, lath work, part fiting etc etc

So, i am willing to buy such a piece of equipment at a resonable cost. Is it available?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: tagor on January 26, 2010, 06:43:33 PM
Most of what you say its true concernign the building fo such a machine. If you tell me to make and provide me full specs of a small  internal combustion engine, i would say i cannot. too much machining, lath work, part fiting etc etc

So, i am willing to buy such a piece of equipment at a resonable cost. Is it available?
Yes
if this techology is valid , I buy ten of them , how many money they need ?
if every one (or some people ) on this forum buy one is it ok ?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: FatBird on January 26, 2010, 06:56:14 PM
@ TM23

Hello Stefan,

I am one of the guys in the recent video posted on the WITTS YouTube Channel.  I'll attempt to answer some questions here if you would like, however, I don't know how much time I'll have to do so.  I typically stay off public forums but it's time people start to wake up and quit being so cynical about technology (and people) they don't understand.  Also, I feel with so much blatant corruption taking place in so many areas of our world, the timing is better than ever for folks to start opening their beliefs to new ideas and become actively engaged in changing our paradigm.  A good beginning is for people to be tolerant of others who might have world views that seem somewhat different than their own.

=================================================

QUOTE from Dr Trapp:

Dr. Trapp states that if governments were FOR this technology instead of against it, a home-power generator the size of a desktop computer could be built and sold for about the same as fuel powered generators or less.  When Dr. Trapp moved back from Alaska, upon arrival, the shipping container containing his tools, instruments, etc., had been emptied. In spring 2001, Trapp’s lab in Arizona was raided. At the end of 2001 two WITS scientist assistants were (and currently still are) in Ohio prison on trumped up drug charges.

In the past 20 years the U.S. Government has destroyed over 14 WITTS laboratories. As recently as spring 2006 a WITTS laboratory burned to the ground. The contents of each laboratory contained millions of dollars worth of instruments and several costly free energy machines. Dr. Trapp’s laboratories were raided, his equipment was smashed, and his people were beaten and arrested numerous times on false charges. False evidence was planted many times.

After beating up one of his WITTS salesmen, the salesman was then killed by driving the salesman’s car off a cliff. Another WITTS employee was also murdered by U.S. Government and so-called law enforcement agents. There have been numerous attempts on the lives of Dr. Trapp as well as many of his associates.  Dr. Trapp wrote “This really should be a wake-up call to the people of America who believe we have religious freedom here. We don’t, when it comes to anything that might help the little guy.

===========================================================

Thank you TM23 for your post. 

EXPERTS keep saying there is safety in numbers.  So if the WITT folks SOLD PLANS for it there wouldn’t be any reason for the satanic MIBs to raid their labs and harass those folks.  If a person does a web search for DEAD SCIENTISTS, one can see that it is better to disclose these free energy inventions before the satanic MIBs swoop in.

TOO MANY THINK they can get a PATENT and MAKE MONEY on it.  History proves that is definitely not true.

PLEASE CONSIDER SELLING Plans as soon as possible.

Thank you.


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Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: gauschor on January 26, 2010, 07:01:51 PM
WITTS past experience has indicated very few people are technically inclined or motivated to build anything themselves, much less something that would require the commitment to spend more than a few hundred dollars.

If the device works as claimed people will replicate it! And they would be successfull if WITTS handed out the necessary construction plans, sketches.
You totally forgot one thing. Most devices being built in this forum which do not work mostly for 1 simple reason: because there are important missing details, black box etc. from the original device. But if WITTS has all the details (and they must, if they have built it themselves) and hands it out, people will build it and prove it true. After that WITTS still is able to sell their devices for the unskilled people and people would be willing to buy because they see it is truth. But not a pig in a poke  ;)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Xaverius on January 26, 2010, 08:41:01 PM
@all,
no cigar for this one, it doesnt work.
Sorry, I have a lot of knowledge of this device and people who have seen it in person.
Sorry to blow you bubble again
PS I have met the inventor in person, he is a nice person.
Mark
Could you please elaborate as to who these people are that have seen this device and reply in detail why this device doesn't work?  If it doesn't work, then how is the video faked?  Thanx.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on January 27, 2010, 12:10:29 AM
Here is another new one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQv5-p_ycUo

But:
I see 3 batteries at the left side of the circuit board.
He said, these were only for the switches...
but maybe the power is stray coupled somehow onto the coil lines too ?

So this is not very convincing, as long as the
device does not run just from a charged cap
or I will see the circuit diagramm, I don´t believe it...

Also what does this MilliWatts device make sense, if they
really have this selfrunning 2 KWatts generator sitting there ?

So why not just concentrate on the selfrunning 2 KWatts generator
and drop this Milliwatts coil thing ?

Something is not right here. Also why do they insist on these
MIB stories that guys have been killed and labs been raided ?
Any proof for this ?
Where are the newspaper articles or missing guys that we can
read about  in the normal media ?

Any references to this and not just pure claims without proof ?

A few donations will not get them a factory !

This needs to be developed and put in open source,
if it is really what they claim, but I am very skeptical about it.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on January 27, 2010, 12:30:24 AM
Hello Stefan,

I am one of the guys in the recent video posted on the WITTS YouTube Channel.  I'll attempt to answer some questions here if you would like, however, I don't know how much time I'll have to do so.  I typically stay off public forums but it's time people start to wake up and quit being so cynical about technology (and people) they don't understand.  Also, I feel with so much blatant corruption taking place in so many areas of our world, the timing is better than ever for folks to start opening their beliefs to new ideas and become actively engaged in changing our paradigm.  A good beginning is for people to be tolerant of others who might have world views that seem somewhat different than their own.

First thing I want people to realize is that this technology is real.  I have thoroughly examined many of the prototypes myself on multiple occasions and have talked to others who have also verified the devices.  It's real.

Second - For everyone out there who suggest that WITTS should disclose the technology to allow opensource replications. (I leaned toward this myself when first getting to know Sir Timothy Thrapp and the ministry.)  Honestly, now I don't think it would solve the issue of getting real machines out into the world to help humanity. 


Why don´t you think so ?

Quote

WITTS past experience has indicated very few people are technically inclined or motivated to build anything themselves, much less something that would require the commitment to spend more than a few hundred dollars.  They had released instructions years ago on the flux switched transformer and virtually no one was interested.  Finally Jean-Louis Naudin was persuaded to build it and found it did indeed perform as stated - we all know where it ended up.


Which device do you exactly mean ?
Please post a link to Jean Louis´s site with the device.

Do you mean the MEG ?
This was from Bearden and not from Witts.
JL made errors there with a 10x factor wrong calculated resistance.


Quote
Even this device requires significant resources to build, tune and test it properly.  Not something the average tech is willing to commit.

If clear blue prints would be published surely many people would
replicate it on a high level.
Look at what Steorn has done now with releasing infos,
and so many people are replicating it already with success !
Not to mention the HHO devices..

Quote
There are effects manifesting in many of these devices that few people understand.  When Sir Timothy speaks of dominant energy, he's not making these things up.  This is the model from which they understand how to engineer these machines.  Many conventional engineers are not open to challenging their dogma to accommodate principles that are foreign to their experience.  They want to relate things to what they think they know.
I'm certain that once the initial tech is put into production, the details of dominant energy engineering will start to be disseminated among responsible developers.


If he would really explain it, we could follow, but just "bubbling" about dorminant energy
and not explaining does not help...

Quote
Finally, one last item.  I have spent significant funds building and researching overunity devices full time for 8 years or so.  I am familiar with many of the problems associated with measuring unusual circuits and electrical input/outputs.  I had seen some success with my own work but it was far from being perfected or practical.  The technology WITTS has developed is quite mature given their extremely underfunded operation.  They are not rolling in dough with their pleas for donations - far from it.  I made it my full time focus to help them procure funding in some way.  I don't get paid for this.

I do hope this introduction is somehow productive.
Peace,
Tim Martin

Well Tim,
you might have a good faith in them,
but have you made yourself any measurements ?
Why don´t you describe the measurements in detail ?

Well, if Witts does not want to make it open source,
then why don´t they patent it and search for a big investor
or the US military and get paid this way and get this thing
locked up for black projects ?

If they only want the money, Witts is doing it wrongly.

The way they do it now smells like they just only want
the donations and don´t deliver anything for it.

Their former memberpage converter was only a
copy of the Naudin-Bearden MEG, when I remember correctly
...and people had to pay (donate) for the access..

So I see no real value in donations for "vapourware" yet...

As I said a few donations would not get them a factory to
be build.

If they really want a factory they should look
for a billionaire that will finance something like this.

But then they would probably need a patent first,
which they will probably not get under current patent law
due to "perpetual motion" claims..or US national security
concern...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: FatBird on January 27, 2010, 02:24:34 AM
Has anybody seen this one?  It says he was killed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ3Gy-I7QSo


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Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: TM23 on January 27, 2010, 05:31:32 AM
Why don´t you think so ?
"WITTS past experience has indicated very few people are technically inclined or motivated to build anything themselves, much less something that would require the commitment to spend more than a few hundred dollars.  They had released instructions years ago on the flux switched transformer and virtually no one was interested.  Finally Jean-Louis Naudin was persuaded to build it and found it did indeed perform as stated - we all know where it ended up.  Even this device requires significant resources to build, tune and test it properly.  Not something the average tech is willing to commit.
There are effects manifesting in many of these devices that few people understand.  When Sir Timothy speaks of dominant energy, he's not making these things up.  This is the model from which they understand how to engineer these machines.  Many conventional engineers are not open to challenging their dogma to accommodate principles that are foreign to their experience.  They want to relate things to what they think they know."

Which device do you exactly mean ?
Please post a link to Jean Louis´s site with the device.

Do you mean the MEG ?
This was from Bearden and not from Witts.
JL made errors there with a 10x factor wrong calculated resistance.
I am referring to the MEG.  Do you know where Bearden got the idea for the MEG?

If clear blue prints would be published surely many people would
replicate it on a high level.
Look at what Steorn has done now with releasing infos,
and so many people are replicating it already with success !
Not to mention the HHO devices..
Has anyone on this forum replicated and made practical fuelless power from the info you are citing?

If he would really explain it, we could follow, but just "bubbling" about dorminant energy
and not explaining does not help...
The ministry is in a tough position to reveal all that they know.  They feel a certain responsibility to humankind and the earth - Is the populace evolved enough to utilize these technologies responsibly?

Well Tim,
you might have a good faith in them,
but have you made yourself any measurements ?
Why don´t you describe the measurements in detail ?
I'm very satisfied with the measurements and examination I performed at their site on three occasions.  If you would like to do the same I'm sure Sir Timothy would arrange a time for you to visit... so long as you make a donation and cover the costs associated with having visitors.  That's what I did.

Well, if Witts does not want to make it open source,
then why don´t they patent it and search for a big investor
or the US military and get paid this way and get this thing
locked up for black projects ?
WITTS might find something to release as opensource in the future.  They are not interested in patents, military(are you serious?) or venture capital since it is typically used to undermine the operation.  Black projects already have much of this technology.

If they only want the money, Witts is doing it wrongly.

The way they do it now smells like they just only want
the donations and don´t deliver anything for it.
This critique is simply opinion formed from your world view.  WITTS does not operate from the typical western mainstream paradigm.  As I said, be tolerant of others beliefs... you might find it very enlightening.

Their former memberpage converter was only a
copy of the Naudin-Bearden MEG, when I remember correctly
...and people had to pay (donate) for the access..

So I see no real value in donations for "vapourware" yet...

As I said a few donations would not get them a factory to
be build.

If they really want a factory they should look
for a billionaire that will finance something like this.

But then they would probably need a patent first,
which they will probably not get under current patent law
due to "perpetual motion" claims..or US national security
concern...
There is no requirement that anyone give a donation to WITTS.  They simply state: If enough people did, we'd be on our way to having practical FE machines in a short amount of time.  You may freely disagree with their "business model".  I've made the decision to do something to move things forward instead of debating circuits and critiquing someones world view.  They have the goods, and are offering it to the people.

I'm not sure if answering your questions was productive in anyway.  People on these forums are generally cynical and would rather debate and discuss rather than find things out for themselves.  It would seem if you were really interested in overunity technology you would take your "prize" money and instead schedule a visit with WITTS, learn what makes them tick, and see the hardware with your own eyes.  I encourage anyone to do so.

Peace!
- Tim Martin
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: FatChance!!! on January 27, 2010, 08:34:18 AM
The appearance alone of the guy in the video, smells A scam.
There's no way this device is for real.
Anyone who spends time on making a YouTube video while having
found the Holy Grail overunity machine is a sure fraud.  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on January 27, 2010, 09:09:46 AM
Tim
Stefan seems to be implying
Quote:
Do you mean the MEG ?
This was from Bearden and not from Witts.
JL made "errors" there with a "10x factor wrong calculated resistance."
----------------------------------------------------------------
The example you cited for lazy people not replicating .
Was a device that didn't work?

Or am I mistaken about the above quote?

Please explain as you are preaching to the choir here! [for me anyway]
Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on January 27, 2010, 05:30:44 PM
Wits, just uploaded  new videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTbHosxlSpw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOPS3u0CZaU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfekW0VIeTU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOH8_hpAtEA

The last 2 are of a demo of a special 6 layer coil
in which a magnet is running faster,
when only one wire is connected..
Probably some kind of resonance effect,
which also works with just one wire.

Well, in this moment I don´t know,
what to think about it.
Maybe they have really something interesting there,
time will tell.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: hartiberlin on January 27, 2010, 05:45:43 PM
Hi Tim,
sorry, maybe I was a bit too harsh on you.

Well, the problem we have faced in the last year was a major fake from
user Mylow with his faked magnet motor.

So of course we are all a bit worried, if someone comes along and
tries to offer a "holy grail video" with a KWatts-selfrunning system
and tries to get donations.

Okay, as WITTS is now releasing these engineers
videos, who support their claims, it is getting more interesting.

As the Ou Prize money is reserved for the inventor who
puts his invention into the open source, I would
welcome WITTS, if they will do it and apply for the prize.

Well, one other question:

How many members does WITTS have and do they really
exist for over 100 years already and was Nathan Stubblefield
already a member, what Mr. Trapp told us in the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfekW0VIeTU
at around 1:42
?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 27, 2010, 09:00:18 PM
Stefan:

I too have my doubts about this.  Take a big step back and look at the videos they provide...I am not talking about not clearly showing where all the wires go, etc., but something more important.

Look at the lights they have on when making their videos.  NOT the lights from the device but indoor lighting for the video production and room lights, etc.  My big question is, if you Stefan have all these machines that produced all these amps of electricity for free, would you still be on the grid and have an electric meter?

I can't state for a fact that they are on the grid, but I would bet on it.  For if they were not, wouldn't that be one of the first things you would brag about in your videos?  Why not show a video of all these little machines running all of their lights needed inside to make the video, and other uses?

Anyway, just an observation.  An analogy might be like if you claimed to have  electric cars that ran forever without charging yet people still see you filling up the tanks on your other vehicles with gasoline from the store.  You would not do that IF you really had those electric vehicles.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: stprue on January 27, 2010, 11:47:29 PM
I completely agree with Pirate!  and the big question...why are they asking for donations to save the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I posted this on their vids!  If you want to save the work then give the tech for free we can replicate with proper knowledge!

P.S. I saw this shit a few years ago and paid no attention to it!  If they have been around for as long as they say they have then shame on them  :P
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: FatBird on January 28, 2010, 01:05:34 AM
@ TM23 SAID:

There is no requirement that anyone give a donation to WITTS.  They simply state: If enough people did, we'd be on our way to having practical FE machines in a short amount of time.  You may freely disagree with their "business model".  I've made the decision to do something to move things forward instead of debating circuits and critiquing someones world view.  They have the goods, and are offering it to the people.

I'm not sure if answering your questions was productive in anyway.  People on these forums are GENERALLY CYNICAL and would rather debate and discuss rather than find things out for themselves.  It would seem if you were really interested in overunity technology you would take your "prize" money and instead schedule a visit with WITTS, learn what makes them tick, and see the hardware with your own eyes.  I encourage anyone to do so.

Peace!
- Tim Martin

===================================================

The ENTIRE WORLD is crashing economically and Witts REFUSES to SELL the electrical schematic and Parts Diagram of their Large Rotating Free Energy Device.  BUT they WANT Free Monetary Donations!  Talk about nerve!

MILLIONS of people have lost their jobs and lost their homes and Witts wants Free Monetary DONATIONS.  But they will offer a peak at their device IF you GIVE them enough money! 

BILLIONS of poor people would LOVE free donations also.  News reports say that some poor starving people in Haiti have to eat leaves and grass.  They too would LOVE free money and food donations.

Some Newscasts say we are on the verge of WW III.  If the world ever needed a free energy device it is right now.  TIME IS SHORT.  The Witt Group claims they want to help the world, but they keep their machine details a secret.  Talk about AUDACITY, that REALLY takes the cake!

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Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: FatChance!!! on January 28, 2010, 10:04:23 AM
These new videos is just talk, talk, talk...and some more talk.
This is the usual sign of scammers when smooth talking gullible investors (e'g hillbillies and suchlikes)
into their realm of goofy physics and fast money.
When people are not familiar with acknowledged scientific vocabulary this seems very exiting to them.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: triffid on January 29, 2010, 03:03:02 PM
test
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: cgomega on February 02, 2010, 09:22:13 PM
Hi,
WITTS.WS
just posted a longer video in 3 parts of their updated fuelless generator with
a new smaller capacitor bank:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFu-s6ZmGyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgEsSOphlp8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1aANEuTGw

So, the question is, if this really works,
why don´t they just publish the plans for their water heater
and thus generate trust, so that people would also donate for this ?

Regards, Stefan.

I want to believe that someone made something that really works.

In video 2 at 1.47 time , listen to the motor, this is a dead giveaway of the device not working on its own.
What I hear is the motor running off grid power after the second switch is thrown and then at 1.48 the "generator" kicks in, if this really was working as intended the generator sound would have to be on to make the motor humm.
Does it work as a generator ? maybe , does it put out a lot of power, looking at wire guage I can see in the video, I would guess not as much as claimed.

very bad magician trick.

Looking at video 3 closeups this generator looks like a Linderman design, which can be also be found with a search as Ecklin. still doesnt explain the grid humm at 1.47 on the motor since there using 2 winding to generate the magnetic field in 2 of there windings which is pulsed probably just like Linderman describes. If there is permenant magnets at all then the humm would increase with rpm and never "switch on" as they did in video 1.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: shimondoodkin on February 04, 2010, 12:44:47 AM
he is charging the capacitors with static electricity that builds up around coil wires
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: gregget on February 20, 2010, 06:39:00 AM
Here are some interesting snips from inside the WITTS 'Members' area. They are independent verification letters addressed to all those interested in finding out more about WITTS. These have been given over the years, some are early nineties to present time. These selections are authorized by WITTS and were released by Enlightened Technology... Enjoy

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=307706627966 (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=307706627966)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: mijdtr on February 21, 2010, 02:00:05 AM
witts  hmmm  i am sure it works  just not liking they dont give plans out  well i havnt asked but they never offer either.  it is joseph newman or bedini or whatever.  the free plans are out there one just hasta look.  but i doubt witts is gonna share.  kinda gives christians a bad name when they do this "pray and donate" stuff. omho  i think it does both causes injustice.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: mijdtr on February 21, 2010, 02:13:38 AM
here is the thing  if they want money to build  they can hook up to the grid with what they have. unless they are on a co-op electric provider, they or anyone will receive money from the utility when the meter spins backwards. it is a law passed recently.  so this give us money crap is unfounded.  they were smart enough to make one unit and they claim  it can produce more than 900 watts  ( i dont doubt it)  so fire up the grid , boys,,, why aint they smart enough to figger that one out. 
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: ramset on February 21, 2010, 02:17:42 AM
Mij

Absolutely"NOTHING" Christian about Witts
They have a lot more in common with satan,

Its a shame they don't have to step over the dead and dying  bodies around the world every day [on their way to church].
that these techs would have saved.

Their brains are "poisoned"

Chet
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: mijdtr on February 21, 2010, 03:35:40 PM
got an email from them guys. anyone wanna see a copy?  i said:

 Message:

it will better serve mankind and your ministry to publish plans for the machine.

it is joseph newman or bedini or whatever.  the free plans are out there one just hasta look.  but i doubt witts is gonna share.  kinda gives christians a bad name when they do this "pray and donate" stuff. omho  i think it does both causes injustice.


their next day reply to me:

Hey Joe!
 
Can you read?
 
We have been giving away plans for 200 years!
 
Just look at the website. www.witts.ws
 
Gifs page.
 
Enjoy!

lol!  rofl!  200 years!  i am surprised they have the time to respond to my little email.

i am getting ready to respond with this email:

yes, i can read. reading alot into your email.  i dont see a link labeled gifs page.  please send the url so i dont hafta read all the begging.  i'm kinda busy makin my own adams.

 i have read parts of your site, ( well actually my mommie reads it to me sometimes). heard you dont give out plans, watched your utube vids.

you sir, are on record. i'll let the guys know about your friendly email to me.

i can write.  this is what i wrote on http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3764.new;topicseen#new

here is the thing  if they want money to build  they can hook up to the grid with what they have. unless they are on a co-op electric provider, they or anyone will receive money from the utility when the meter spins backwards. it is a law passed recently.  so this give us money
crap is unfounded.  they were smart enough to make one unit and they
claim  it can produce more than 900 watts  ( i dont doubt it)  so fire
up the grid , boys,,, why aint they smart enough to figger that one
out.


so i go to http://www.witts.ws/gifs.html     can anyone guess???  yep
PAGE NOT FOUND      lol

peace and love. god bless

o, and chet,  i hear ya and am feelin ya

peace out my fellow enthusiasts,  lets get out there and save the world.

joe
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: gregget on February 22, 2010, 10:31:36 PM
http://www.witts.ws/gifts.html

I think thats the page your looking for...

And Also they already have 3 machines hooked to the grid. You can lift a finger and go check out their members section where they have posted electric bills, or you can sit around in front of a computer all day and complain.   BTW. The wholesale price of electricity is around 2-5 cents a kw. Good luck making  money off of that. Could you survive making 5 cents an hour??
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 22, 2010, 11:50:47 PM
Forget about wholesale.  In my state, Kentucky, as well as many others, the power companies have to buy it back for the RETAIL price. Big difference.  Not all states have it this way but just passing this on for what it's worth.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: pinestone on February 23, 2010, 01:16:27 AM
http://www.witts.ws/gifts.html

I think thats the page your looking for...

And Also they already have 3 machines hooked to the grid. You can lift a finger and go check out their members section where they have posted electric bills, or you can sit around in front of a computer all day and complain.   BTW. The wholesale price of electricity is around 2-5 cents a kw. Good luck making  money off of that. Could you survive making 5 cents an hour??


Sure, great gift...if you donate $$$$$$$$

Wiki defines: "A gift or a present is the transfer of something without the expectation of receiving something in return."



Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 23, 2010, 01:20:40 AM

This appears to be a situation where one may righteously ask, "what would Jesus do?".

Regards...

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: mijdtr on February 23, 2010, 06:55:22 AM
thanks for the info gregget, you dont know me but u think i am on the puter all day?   nice. are you a rep of the witts organization?  i didnt know non members can go to your member area of the website.  still no mention of how much money witts received so far  being you guys have been at it for "200 yrs" as has been said by someone in witts.  someone doing demo vid of that witt system said"newman has his issues"  "out there"   something about "judge not"  or was that an opinion.  i have already spent too much time trying to wise witts up.  it would take 25 hrs a day on the puter it seems. btw,  i wasnt complaining. just sharing what i know why does it sound like complaining?  i'll check out the link.

joe

thanks for the wise words captain, pinestone, and u 2 bill.  (not listed in the order of importance) peace out  god bless  lets not let the turkeys divide us and beat the movement.

witts  give the money collected to http://www.panaceauniversity.org/  they seem to be doing sumptin.

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: mijdtr on February 23, 2010, 07:03:13 AM
oh brother,, i shoulda known,,, free plans after one donates??  already wasted too much time on this witts thing.      praise the lord, and pass the basket   at least they are pitching in and feeding the grid.   or so they say

joe
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: mijdtr on February 23, 2010, 07:14:24 AM
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Tesla%27s%20HV%20impulse%20lighting%20methods-Imhotep%27s%20Radiant%20Oscillator.pdf   

good read, folks   
btw  ifn i had money to give it would be to panacea u.  i have gotten alot of valuable info from them, as well as from here. 

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: valveman on February 23, 2010, 07:18:51 PM
It's easy to see that the WITTS free energy generator is BS.  Any generator will bog slightly when you add load and then if powerful enough will return to full RPM.  This does not happen when another light bulb is added.  I would bet there is an extension cord behind the billboard of lights connected to an outlet where of course the camera cannot see.
If these people are so Christian, then why are they not just sharing this technology to improve the lives of millions who suffer in poorer countries.  I'll tell you why!  They are full of S**T!  Scam artists who feed on the gulibility of others in hope of some tidbit that will gain them enough knowledge to build their own machine.  Hiding behind religion for nefarious purposes is just sick!
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: mijdtr on February 25, 2010, 07:46:47 AM
anyone seen this one?   Looks pretty good.  I think I have the dimensions.  If a trick,  a damn good job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lXNpOnurw&annotation_id=annotation_239806&feature=iv

also this looks like a dandy

http://www.wseas.us/e-library/conferences/2007portoroz/papers/555-150.pdf
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: gregget on February 25, 2010, 09:45:52 PM
thanks for the info gregget, you dont know me but u think i am on the puter all day?   nice. are you a rep of the witts organization?  i didnt know non members can go to your member area of the website.  still no mention of how much money witts received so far  being you guys have been at it for "200 yrs" as has been said by someone in witts.  someone doing demo vid of that witt system said"newman has his issues"  "out there"   something about "judge not"  or was that an opinion.  i have already spent too much time trying to wise witts up.  it would take 25 hrs a day on the puter it seems. btw,  i wasnt complaining. just sharing what i know why does it sound like complaining?  i'll check out the link.

joe

thanks for the wise words captain, pinestone, and u 2 bill.  (not listed in the order of importance) peace out  god bless  lets not let the turkeys divide us and beat the movement.

witts  give the money collected to http://www.panaceauniversity.org/  they seem to be doing sumptin.

Mijdtr,
Unfortunately, to access the members area of the WITTS site, a $20 donation is required. There are a lot of testimonials available inside.  I dont work for WITTS, I volunteer with Enlightened Technology. We're working to release WITTS technologies and working towards open sourcing some of their technologies.

The point of my post is to share that for as much debate and controversy WITTS causes with their business practices... It doesn't change the fact that they ARE in possession of some very advanced technology, and from those who have seen it; they can testify that WITTS has technology up to their ears, and they also have extraordinary understanding of free energy technology. Pursuant to the goals of this forum, it seems silly to me that people would chose to indulge in conjectures rather than going to SEE it... Then of course,  WITTS religious affiliation with their ministry, may throw up a red flag for some people, but the truth of the matter is that the tech works regardless of what religion a person subscribes to..
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 25, 2010, 10:48:15 PM
 
" m those who have seen it; they can testify that WITTS has technology up to their ears, and they also have extraordinary understanding offree energy technology."


Hope we don't have to wait very long before they are able to acquire the knowledge and understanding of the components needed to achieve the state of moral compass required to realize they are obligated to raise the station of their fellow man.

There is nothing wrong with profit and personal gain...except when there are people dying on a daily basis while others are holding out for more profit.

I frankly don't see how someone can hold a christian ideal while at the same time withholding technology as others die waiting for it.

Regards...

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: valveman on February 25, 2010, 11:54:16 PM
I say BS to WITTS
Charge money to even see their site. C'mon that is a sure sign right there that this is a scam!
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: mijdtr on February 26, 2010, 03:04:38 AM
money will be gained betyter from open source.  they dont have a clue.  the more i hear and see the more i see bullshit   
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 26, 2010, 04:55:06 AM
money will be gained betyter from open source.  they dont have a clue.  the more i hear and see the more i see bullshit   

I try my best to keep an open mind but, I have to agree.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: cgomega on March 01, 2010, 05:13:29 AM
heres your plans for free.

http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin.htm)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Xaverius on March 01, 2010, 06:19:10 AM
Witts should either donate plans, sell plans, open source, or haul ass and leave the world alone.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on March 01, 2010, 11:49:19 AM

Karmic law dictates that another alternate energy source will emerge before 'WITTS' collect another penny...thereby thwarting Tharps technology trap.

Regards...

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: FatBird on March 01, 2010, 03:57:37 PM
@ Cap-Z-Ro

There is nothing wrong with profit and personal gain...except when there are people dying on a daily basis while others are holding out for more profit.

I frankly don't see how someone can hold a christian ideal while at the same time withholding technology as others die waiting for it.

=====================================================

SUPER GOOD points!!!  I agree.

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Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on March 01, 2010, 04:50:09 PM

Thanks Fbird...it would interesting to see how Tharp would answer to a similar comment/challenge made to him on air/video.

Regards...

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 01, 2010, 05:52:36 PM
@ All:

IF this stuff is real, I am not saying it is or is not, we have a lot of very smart folks here on this forum and IF Witts discovered it, we can too.  Open source allows for a much better system of sharing and exchanging information so, I think we have an advantage.

Again, that assumes it is real and not a scam, which of course, it might be.

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: George Jetson on March 13, 2010, 06:55:17 PM
Just another Capitalist in the Jesus flock. I am not saying this guy is a fake but I could care less. He will never share this because he doesn't have it or GOD wants all of us to depend on the agenda of the global elite and power companies. This is common with all of these inventors.

 I think the only way to see change is for us to change. I am thinking overunity is not my thing. Perhaps a simple solution exists out there. Like starting your own  Gym and putting dynamo on all the bikes and manual treadmills together to run the lights and heat in the place. Make workout equipment where they are lifting large coils that pass over magnets.  I suppose the people exercising will provide some heat as well. Now we are taking care of our bodies and saving the planet.  ;D I think all inventors know that the gov is ahead of the game and have what your trying to make. So when you get close and are trying to sell this we will know because you will vanish with your technology. The ones that do this for real are interested in a getting off the grid and away from the system. These people will keep it to thereselves out of fear or will share will all for FREE. They won't say HEY LOOK AT ME! The will say HEY LOOK AT THIS AND DO IT. You don't own the quantum energy and never will so stop trying. I mean we aren't ever creating energy we are just converting it to suit our application.

ps this is just my opinion

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: mscoffman on March 14, 2010, 04:13:59 PM

As an aside...Professional exercise equipments seem to use
automobile alternators internally to set the resistance level
the human users work against....Energy -> to a large
air-cooled wirewound resistor.

 
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: htert2020 on March 20, 2010, 07:22:54 AM
Hello All,

I am an unpaid volunteer for the WITTS technology.

I have personally spoken on the phone a couple of times with Tim Martin, an engineer who has attended a WITTS demonstration of their free energy device.  Let me say that I am convinced that the WITTS technology is real.  I have also paid the $20 donation to access the testimonials of at least 26 engineers and scientists who have independently witnessed the free energy demonstrations of WITTS -- some of them were PhD's, others were EE's, and one was a CEO of a corporation.  Unfortunately, once one of these engineers leave the demo, they cannot talk about it because it would ruin their professional lives.  Two of the testmonials showed actual energy bill statements from power companies.  Tim Martin also spoke with someone who had their whole house running on only the WITTS free energy device.

According to Tim Martin, WITTS goes all the way back to the days of Nikola Tesla, John Keely, and Michael Faraday. According to Tim, who is now a close friend of Timothy Thrapp, WITTS was actually founded by Michael Faraday -- although back then, they didn't call it by that name.   Another interesting fact I've learned was that Nikola Tesla was, at one time in his life, the official spokesman for the organization.  The free energy secrets of Nikola Tesla were then passed on from generation to generation within this semi-secret organization up to the present day.  The society spokesman who succeeded Tesla also taught the current spokesman, Timothy Thrapp, the free energy technology.  So in a way, the quantum free energy device that you see in the YouTube videos is derived from the living knowledge of Nikola Tesla.  In fact, in the YouTube video, Timothy Thrapp even says that the device is based on the technology of Tesla.  If you're a speculator of secret societies, this is a lot of information to chew on.

Admittedly, WITTS has poor communication skills with the outside world.

WITTS has been violently attacked in the past by various authorities.  They are a little bit jaded, and that is why they do not trust strangers wanting to see their demos. As a measure of self-defense, they seem perfectly fine with continuing to keep their technologies secret... however, they are also humanitarians who are deeply concerned about the poverty in third-world countries, and they do want to unleash their technologies to the world.

So a couple of us volunteers are seeking to change all of that.  With Timothy Thrapp's permission, we have created a website -- http://www.enlightenedtechnology.org -- to raise funds to put together a small, travel-friendly demonstration unit that can be shown to the world.  The public demonstrations will be replete with laboratory equipment, gauges, and meters to "prove" the device's overunity to the general public as well as to scientists and engineers.  Such public demonstrations will not be unlike the Steorn Orbo presentations in late 2009 and early 2010.  Unlike the Orbo, however, this quantum energy device is already powering homes right now, as I speak, and it is immediately ready for mass production.  By comparison, the Orbo only exists in concept and hasn't yet been productized, much less mass produced.  So, if we get public demonstrations going soon, we will be further along than the Orbo in introducing a free energy technology to mainstream society.

The goal is to raise $12,000 to produce the quantum demo unit.  Once we get the funds, we will produce the device in a very short amount of time because Timothy Thrapp and his fellow scientists will be assembling the device.  The parts are very expensive because high voltage components are needed.  Then we can tour the U.S. -- and maybe other parts of the world, perhaps -- with the demo unit and we will do the public demonstrations.  The aforementioned website will reveal more details of our effort.

We're also thinking about forming an online community consisting of people who have donated to this $12K project.  Eventually, an investor co-op will probably be formed, where common everyday people -- not the rich elite -- can invest in the mass production of this product and reap the profits after commercial success.  Timothy Thrapp wants to avoid the rich elite from controlling this technology; that is why he is trying to reach out to the people.  Timothy Thrapp has also "okayed" this $12K project and gives it his blessing.

If anyone would like to donate or volunteer their time to help in this humanitarian effort, please go to the website and contact us.  If you don't have any money to donate, please tell others about our website.  The sooner we get this done, the sooner we can end hunger and poverty around the world.  The survival of our modern world depends on this.

Sincerely,
htert2020

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     - 100% Fuelless Quantum Energy Generator

     - Free, Limitless Energy From the Vacuum

No fuel. No sun. No wind. No recharging. Ever.
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Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 20, 2010, 09:20:42 AM
Founded by Faraday?  OK, thanks, now I know for sure this is crap!

Bill
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on March 20, 2010, 11:29:13 AM

You and your kind are so full of crap.

Humanitarian effort my arse.

IF...Tesla was ever associated with this lot he likely disassociated himself once he caught a whiff of their greedy bad breath.

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: FatBird on March 21, 2010, 02:05:01 AM
htert2020 Said:

The goal is to raise $12,000 to produce the quantum demo unit.  Once we get the funds, we will produce the device in a very short amount of time because Timothy Thrapp and his fellow scientists will be assembling the device.  The parts are very expensive because high voltage components are needed.  Then we can tour the U.S. -- and maybe other parts of the world, perhaps -- with the demo unit and we will do the public demonstrations.  The aforementioned website will reveal more details of our effort.

We're also thinking about forming an online community consisting of people who have donated to this $12K project.  Eventually, an investor co-op will probably be formed, where common everyday people -- not the rich elite -- can invest in the mass production of this product and reap the profits after commercial success.  Timothy Thrapp wants to avoid the rich elite from controlling this technology; that is why he is trying to reach out to the people.  Timothy Thrapp has also "okayed" this $12K project and gives it his blessing.

=========================================================================

The whole world is on the edge of Economic Collapse and World War III.

HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU THINK THERE ARE YEARS LEFT TO DO THAT?????

GET REAL and SELL THE PLANS now before time is up.

.



Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: powerunlimited on March 21, 2010, 04:37:28 AM
Someone needs to check the 2 by 4 fours connected to the lights, where they
set on the wooden floor.The mostlikely way this illusion is done is by drilling a hole thru the two by four's and running an ac line from the bottom wooden floor that has a hole
thru the hole in the 2 by 4's and connecting to the switch box thats connected to the lights.You can not see this unless you lift up the 2 by 4 and see the hole in the floor thats covered up by the 2 by 4's.This is fake
but a good illusion.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: CompuTutor on March 21, 2010, 04:45:41 AM
The real question for all of us is why the OU homepage
still after all this time has that machine of theirs
as the prime news item without proof of (OU) concept ?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: htert2020 on March 21, 2010, 05:07:40 AM
The whole world is on the edge of Economic Collapse and A III.

HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU THINK THERE ARE YEARS LEFT TO DO THAT?????

GET REAL and SELL THE PLANS now before time is up.

WITTS has already given out overunity plans for free many years ago.  What they found was that almost no one would take the time or expense to build their device.  The only person I know of who tried to replicate it was Naudin, who had, according to my sources, replicated it successfully and found overunity in the device.  I don't know if Naudin had published it or not.  It would be interesting to email Naudin and ask him if he indeed did replicate it.  The name of the device, I believe, was the "flux switch transformer" from WITTS.  It would make sense that he would have at least tried to replicate it.

For more info on the flux switch transformer plans, see:

http://www.witts.ws/gifts.html

You've got to remember, though, that this is not just a simple magnet motor like Bedini's schoolgirl motor.  There are high voltage components totalling thousands of dollars for building even a low-horsepower device.  Few common, everyday people have the capital to fund such a project, so you can forget about such a device going viral.  But people like Tesla and Keely did have the capital.  And this quantum energy device is based, at least partially, on fundamental concepts unveiled by Keely in the late 1800's.

I know that many people on this forum would like an overunity device that is cheap enough to be built by everyday folks, so that it can go viral outside of the mainstream establishment.  I understand that.  But it's just not going to happen with this kind of device.  The "2000 watt generator" that you see in the video is actually an older model that is about 20 years old.  WITTS has newer models.

And no, I do not believe that the end of the world is imminent in any way.  Personally, I predict some form of social chaos in the near future, but nothing more than that.  The old establishment is going out the door.  Things will get better soon, and some people on this forum may have even already heard that they are building free energy factories in China and Japan -- for example, the water powered car.  WITTS isn't the only one with free energy technology.  Why not level accusations of greed against that Japanese water powered car maker for not revealing their plans?  Or against Steorn and their Orbo?  That is just my personal opinion, and I don't have time to debate the issue.

As for the other responses to my post by a couple of the other members, I have little time to debate.  But when you accuse people of committing fraud, you will need evidence to back up your accusations.  There is a difference between "seeming" like a fraud and actually being a fraud in reality.

Sincerely,
QuantumEnergy

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Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: htert2020 on March 21, 2010, 05:11:53 AM
Someone needs to check the 2 by 4 fours connected to the lights, where they
set on the wooden floor.The mostlikely way this illusion is done is by drilling a hole thru the two by four's and running an ac line from the bottom wooden floor that has a hole
thru the hole in the 2 by 4's and connecting to the switch box thats connected to the lights.You can not see this unless you lift up the 2 by 4 and see the hole in the floor thats covered up by the 2 by 4's.This is fake
but a good illusion.

Okay, when you have evidence that any of this is true, let me know.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Red on March 21, 2010, 08:36:29 AM
Sounds like Rik Mayall talking about the revolution.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: powerunlimited on March 21, 2010, 08:40:57 AM
to htert2020
People want to believe in free energy and will tend not to listen to anyone saying its a fraud,or check anything .If it were not a fraud they would place every working part such that it would be hard to say its a fraud ,like in a box far away from any ac outlets or big batteries.The burden of proof is on you,extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Did you lift the 2by4's that connect to the light bulbs to see if theres a wire running under the wooden floor.
Its a fraud like dr Schwartz's
 ERR suit case or hes elemental rods and other devices on this web site.I should say some devices are measurement errors and not intended fraud.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on March 21, 2010, 12:14:26 PM

" WITTS isn't the only one with free energy technology.  Why not level accusations of greed against that Japanese water powered car maker for not revealing their plans?  Or against Steorn and their Orbo?  That is just my personal opinion, and I don't have time to debate the issue."


Those companies are not hiding behind 'religious ideals', where as WITTS is.

That is the big difference.

That is why WITTS are being regarded as the hypocrite's they are showing themselves to be.

Can it be any more clear...it can't be for me.

Regards...

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: k4zep on March 21, 2010, 01:45:34 PM
WITTS has already given out overunity plans for free many years ago.  What they found was that almost no one would take the time or expense to build their device.  The only person I know of who tried to replicate it was Naudin, who had, according to my sources, replicated it successfully and found overunity in the device.  I don't know if Naudin had published it or not.  It would be interesting to email Naudin and ask him if he indeed did replicate it.  The name of the device, I believe, was the "flux switch transformer" from WITTS.  It would make sense that he would have at least tried to replicate it.

For more info on the flux switch transformer plans, see:

http://www.witts.ws/gifts.html

You've got to remember, though, that this is not just a simple magnet motor like Bedini's schoolgirl motor. There are high voltage components totalling thousands of dollars for building even a low-horsepower device.  Few common, everyday people have the capital to fund such a project, so you can forget about such a device going viral.  But people like Tesla and Keely did have the capital.  And this quantum energy device is based, at least partially, on fundamental concepts unveiled by Keely in the late 1800's.

As a old builder of electronic projects for many years, I am a bit skeptical of the "thousands of dollars" of parts....I just don't see it in the photographs. Just for the fun of it, in your spare time, give us a parts list of these expensive "high" voltage components and let me price them out at normal electronic supply houses prices!  Me thinks that whoever is building these devices is taking you to the bank also!

Thanks,
Ben K4ZEP


Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: FatBird on March 21, 2010, 11:34:56 PM
@ K4ZEP:  As a old A of electronic projects for many years, I am a bit skeptical of the "thousands of dollars" of parts....I just don't see it in the photographs. Just for the fun of it, in your spare time, give us a parts list of these expensive "high" voltage components and let me price them out at normal electronic supply houses prices!  Me thinks that whoever is building these devices is taking you to the bank also!

Thanks,
Ben K4ZEP

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EXCELLENT POINTS Ben.  I suspect that the total cost of the parts would be well under $500, especially if purchased on Ebay where parts can be bought for pennies on the dollar.

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Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: magnetmotorman on November 08, 2010, 03:27:13 PM
$12000???
You can build a Hutchinson device with that money...!

Stop of scam, TRUE IS OPEN OR NOTHING.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: leonardo on March 02, 2012, 07:23:38 PM
there are sevral ways to do this same illistration in deceptive ways such as
in the generator box using batteries or small gas engine. all of the noise thats is heard on the video's
would not be an electrical emf
 and in the wiring thru the 2x4's connecting the lights
plus if your realy wanting to be hunanitarian especialy christian you would release the plans and not capitalize on this
any person who understand the basics for emf knows torque is needed to creat curent
plus you dont seem to even taken the time to clean it or make it look like you dint throw it together in hour
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Thestone on January 25, 2013, 12:02:21 AM
For everyone to know, I bought all their plans, they are fake, they make you pay 200 $ for the flux generator and they send you a hand drawn paper, and they tell you you need 10 hours of phone support @ 200 dollars each hours.... There is nothing usefull, don't waste your money,  then you pay 200 for the flux transformer and they send you stuff from naudin web page and link....etc, etc,etc
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: elementSix on January 25, 2013, 02:23:58 AM
Yea its a sketchy place.  They have real tech that they give away for free, but you have to donate 600 dollars and then they send you a color diagram of this below.  You need machine shop and welders to make it by yourself and have it work, if at all.  They say its all free but you look over the website and no info is given for free.  The hemisphere generator is another invention that is free for 1000 dollars.  Nice.  they might work but you have to pray real hard to god, then you will figure it out.  Thats what they say..
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Thestone on January 25, 2013, 07:46:41 AM
Yeah!!!

They claim they do not sell anything, the give everything for free, but dont forget to donate because you would not get shit!!! and after you pay, that is exactly what you get, shit!!! nothing, nada!!! zero!!! please people dont make the same mistake!!!
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: bugler on January 25, 2013, 08:20:53 AM
Why aren't these scammers on jail?
Is it legal now to scam people?
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: e2matrix on January 25, 2013, 06:31:24 PM
http://search.4shared.com/postDownload/xGnHQa0i/flux-switched-transformer-10a.html
That will get you the document on the flux switched transformer and also it has links to Naudins work on it. 
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: vidbid on February 05, 2014, 08:24:22 AM
After studying the operation of Bruce DePalma's Sunburst Generator which doesn't produce any drag and is clearly overunity, at least, to me, it seems that this Witts' self-running generator is based on the same principle. I believe the Witts generator produces DC. I believe all of the magnets in the rotor face outward with the same polarity. I believe the inner part of winding only comes in contact with the B-field, and the outer part of the winding DOESN'T come into contact with the B-field, so no voltage is induced across the outer part of the winding. Only the inner part of the winding has a voltage induced across it, and that is a DC voltage. There may be some sort of ferrite material in the center of the stator core to prevent the B-field from reaching the outer part of the winding. As for the capacitor bank, I believe that it only stores the charge received from the inner part of the winding, probably around 60 to 100 VDC. The DC voltage is then fed into an inverter circuit, and from there to the 120 VAC load. There may be a resonance component to the generator, but I don't believe that it is necessary.

Another difference is Bruce DePalma's Sunburst Generator doesn't require a stator. The magnet and disk which are rotating as one constitute the rotor and stator. The main thing is the rotating homopolar B-field cuts the plane of the copper disk at 90 degrees.

I believe the Witts self-running is another homopolar generator however with a specially wire-wound stator and a homopolar B-field magnet rotor. The geometry of the Witts device produces a significant voltage because of the inner winding. The voltages induced across the parallel segments of the inner part of the winding are additive.

This device should be relatively simple to build.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: TinselKoala on February 05, 2014, 06:03:13 PM
There is no such thing as a "Witts self running generator" or any other OU device from Witts. That whole operation is a scam and their video demonstrations of their devices are fakes.

If you don't believe me, then please, by all means, send them the money they are asking for, get the "plans" and build one of their miracle machines yourself. What they are asking in terms of money is ridiculously cheap-- if they actually had what they claim to have.

But they don't.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: e2matrix on February 05, 2014, 08:01:34 PM
http://search.4shared.com/postDownload/xGnHQa0i/flux-switched-transformer-10a.html (http://search.4shared.com/postDownload/xGnHQa0i/flux-switched-transformer-10a.html)
That will get you the document on the flux switched transformer and also it has links to Naudins work on it.
Don't try the above link anymore as it is now just malware (pdf.exe) as well as clicking that link will put another malware or virus on your computer.   


So vidbid if you think it's easy to build then build it!   When was the last time you built anything?   TK is right on this.  I think Witt's is just a major scam hiding under the guise of a religion.   At least if they do have anything that works they are keeping it a very well guarded secret but IMO they have nothing of interest.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: vidbid on February 05, 2014, 08:45:01 PM
No one ever built a statue to a critic. ―Emil Rhodes

To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing. ―Elbert Hubbard

New opinions are always suspected, and usually opposed, without any other reason but because they are not already common. ―John Locke

Whatever you do you need courage. Whatever course you decide upon, there will always be someone to tell you that you are wrong. ―Ralph Waldo Emerson
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: TinselKoala on February 05, 2014, 10:52:17 PM
No one ever built a statue to a critic. ―Emil Rhodes

To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing. ―Elbert Hubbard

New opinions are always suspected, and usually opposed, without any other reason but because they are not already common. ―John Locke

Whatever you do you need courage. Whatever course you decide upon, there will always be someone to tell you that you are wrong. ―Ralph Waldo Emerson


Great! I guess this collection of quotes means you are going to send Witts some money, and build one of their devices for yourself! Great! We will be looking forward to your reports.

(By the way, it is not true that there are no statues of critics; a google search turned up hundreds of them. Neither is it true that you can remain silent to avoid criticism. And there are many good reasons that _certain_ "new ideas" are opposed, not just that they are not common. Furthermore.... I hope fervently that there will always be someone to tell you that you are wrong, when you are wrong. You can be as courageous as you like, but if you step on a land mine.... you are wrong and you had better hope that someone tells you about it before you take that courageous step.)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: TheOne on February 06, 2014, 01:19:03 AM
There is no such thing as a "Witts self running generator" or any other OU device from Witts. That whole operation is a scam and their video demonstrations of their devices are fakes.

If you don't believe me, then please, by all means, send them the money they are asking for, get the "plans" and build one of their miracle machines yourself. What they are asking in terms of money is ridiculously cheap-- if they actually had what they claim to have.

But they don't.


You are probably right. Also he copied the MEG and tell he have done it before but the MEG is different anyway and he copied the RADUS boot invention, so if he really have a MEG working, it is a MEG with 4 inputs coil instead of 2...

Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: vidbid on February 06, 2014, 08:35:19 AM
In the garden of literature, the highest and the most charismatic flowers are always the quotations. ―Mehmet Murat ildan

Assumptions are unopened windows that foolish birds fly into, and their broken bodies are evidence gathered too late. ―Bryan Davis

If you took one-tenth the energy you put into complaining and applied it to solving the problem, you'd be surprised by how well things can work out... Complaining does not work as a strategy. We all have finite time and energy. Any time we spend whining is unlikely to help us achieve our goals. And it won't make us happier. ―Randy Pausch
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: CANGAS on February 06, 2014, 03:05:29 PM
There is no such thing as a "Witts self running generator" or any other OU device from Witts. That whole operation is a scam and their video demonstrations of their devices are fakes.

If you don't believe me, then please, by all means, send them the money they are asking for, get the "plans" and build one of their miracle machines yourself. What they are asking in terms of money is ridiculously cheap-- if they actually had what they claim to have.

But they don't.


Any real OverUnity Device is worth, over a patent lifetime of 20 years, very roughly $200 Trillion USD. Most likely the original innovator will have been "vanished" very early in the game, but the device will be worth that, in 2014 money, whether it is accounted for in a positive or negative sense.

Anybody who offers you a "real over-unity" thingy for $1.98 is either VERRRRY generous or is woofing you. 


post 5 and counting. CANGAS.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: forest on February 06, 2014, 09:04:50 PM
It is only worth if given. Imagine a treasure never found, and a penny found in right moment....
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: CANGAS on February 09, 2014, 07:02:01 AM
Just another Capitalist in the Jesus flock. I am not saying this guy is a fake but I could care less. He will never share this because he doesn't have it or GOD wants all of us to depend on the agenda of the global elite and power companies. This is common with all of these inventors.

 I think the only way to see change is for us to change. I am thinking overunity is not my thing. Perhaps a simple solution exists out there. Like starting your own  Gym and putting dynamo on all the bikes and manual treadmills together to run the lights and heat in the place. Make workout equipment where they are lifting large coils that pass over magnets.  I suppose the people exercising will provide some heat as well. Now we are taking care of our bodies and saving the planet.  ;D I think all inventors know that the gov is ahead of the game and have what your trying to make. So when you get close and are trying to sell this we will know because you will vanish with your technology. The ones that do this for real are interested in a getting off the grid and away from the system. These people will keep it to thereselves out of fear or will share will all for FREE. They won't say HEY LOOK AT ME! The will say HEY LOOK AT THIS AND DO IT. You don't own the quantum energy and never will so stop trying. I mean we aren't ever creating energy we are just converting it to suit our application.

ps this is just my opinion


Because I have an old man memory and it was never photographic (or photogenic!) in the first place, I will do a little paraphrasing, but am sure that the essence of the original quote is true......

" A Young Rich Man came to Jesus and asked; What must I do to inherit the Kingdom Of Heaven? Jesus replied: You must SELL ALL THAT YOU HAVE  and GIVE ALL THE MONEY TO THE POOR."

Therefore we may be inspired, indeed commanded if we are participating in the Christian religion, to gain command of our invention, earn money from it, and use the money wholly or at least primarily, to provide charities to the poor. I personally find a good map of these charities in Matthew 25.   


CANGAS

 post 7 (or was it only 6...in all the excitement I may have lost count myself.)
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: CANGAS on February 09, 2014, 07:53:15 AM
Stop it. Now it's getting ridiculous. Please, use your brains. If government wants to stop someone they would have stopped Witts long time ago. Their website is public and everyone can read it. So, how come they still exist and praise their products (and themselves)? - Exactly, because the whole story is made up and nothing but a big bad joke.
You know what? If I knew I could never ever make any profit of my invention because the bad boys from FBI destroy my labs and marketing efforts each time (killing salesmen) - it would be pure ignorance and stupidity to continue trying to sell the invention. The one and only reason why they exist, is because they have no OU device.


MIBs straight out of X Files somehow turned into Keystone Kops and dont "vanish" everybody and every document and leave the perpetrator of a real OU still standing?

The reasonable conclusion is that there is no OU round here. However, if the Big Guy wanted the MIBs to become klowns then the Big Guy could do that, in my humble (?) opinion.

The second guess is that there are not really any MIBs.  ::) I am reluctant to bet my life and comfort on it!


CANGAS

no 8
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: tinman on February 09, 2014, 08:13:59 AM
Looks like a charles flynn copy to me.
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: CANGAS on February 11, 2014, 07:19:09 AM

As a 'patent for profit' holder myself, (not relating to free energy) I can appreciate an inventor's desire and right to be compensated for the fruits of their labor.

Having said that I believe I can also say that Mr. Tharp, myself, and each and every one of us are morally and ethically obligated to open source any technology which could possibly bail the world out of this energy/ecology crisis it is in right now.

To me, withholding such a desperately needed resource creates a major disconnect with any legitimately true Christan values.

Not meant to offend, just offering another perspective to the discussion.

Regards...


Uhhhhh, I know that the quoted post is 5 years old. I am responding to the ideas expressed , not necessarily responding to the individual who wrote them.

In the present global circumstances, it is important to examine our intentions relative to our environment. Anyone participating in the Christian religion can do no better than listening to what Jesus said as written in the Bible. In Matthew 25 we are told to tend to the needs of all the poor and examples are given. Elsewhere we are told by Jesus to sell what we own and give the money to the poor.

An inventor who has been given an inspiration by God Holy Spirit for a wonderful invention therefore has a direct order to sell what we own and give the money to the poor.   And still elsewhere we are told by Jesus that we should not simply hide our money but should actively use it to make profit to use in service to our Boss (God), the parable of the servant who did nothing with the master's money when the master was away on business. If we want to make a profit, we should act with wisdom to maximize that profit and then obey our Boss and give the money to the poor.

If an inventor has a wonderful idea and then gives the idea away, he is nobly not acting like a greedy fellow, but he is also not doing much real work to make a profit and give the money to the poor. And he is definitely not acting like a true shepherd, but behaving like an hireling. He is hiding from the retribution of the ruler of this world, taking form as NSA, MIBs, Big Oil, Whatever, and he is trying to assuage his conscience among men by saying: "I have given away this grand idea to you, it is your fault not mine if it all does not work good for the poor."

In the present global circumstances, with the ruler of this world Satan making such terrible threats against anyone who threatens his KINGDOM OF MONEY, it is, I KNOW, very hard and fearful to imagine trying to step up to the plate and hit the 800 foot home run to win the game and then to be killed and tortured by the pissed off ruler.

But, anyone who is participating in the Christian religion and who has been inspired to be given an idea of a Grand Invention has already been given strict orders of what to do with that idea.



CANGAS

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Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: CANGAS on February 11, 2014, 08:05:49 AM
if they really wanted to help the world they would give up the plans for people to try out right ?, but no they say nothing and charge $100s to do so, wake up and smell yet another scam., like ive stated befor there are basicly two ways to do something , the right way and the wrong way....any one wanna guess which way this is going ?.


Huuuuuh? Responding to a post 5 years old? Whatever. I am responding to the idea and anybody with the same idea can get it or not.

Tell me: Imagine that me or somebody else tells you, in the next hour, EXACTLY AND COMPLETELY how to simply and cheaply do Over Unity. TELL ME your step by step plan for how you will proceed to HELP THE WORLD.

I am not trying to embarrass you or anyone with your same attitude, but, I am curious about EXACTLY WHAT your PLAN IS.


10 CANGAS
Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: Farmhand on February 11, 2014, 08:16:31 AM
I'm not a Christian and do not follow any faith, but I know a bit about the bible. And I do not think it was the intention of Jesus that we go and make a lot of money and give it to the poor, he said to throw away the money and cast out the money changers as well I think. Give a man a fish and feed him for one day but teach a man to fish and he feeds himself for a lifetime. Money is only paper and the persuit of it is the entire problem. The eagerness to make money is what has polluted and ruined the globe as well as ground people under the machine of profiteering. The device is a fake. A deception in the persuit for money from greed.

One does not need to follow a leader to know what is right and what is wrong or to love and care for our fellow man as family. But Jesus also said the Lord helps those who help themselves. In other words if you can't be bothered to try than neither will he. I believe in a similar thing, I'll help people who try and help themselves but I do not suffer fools and have no pity for people who are lazy or expect others to provide for them, both knowledge and stuff. I will feed anyone though as long as they are not violent and in need due to no fault of their own.

Beware of false prophets. Do not deceive in order to gain favor or fame. Glory is within, not in the admiration of others to you. I could write my own bible, and it would be good.

The christian faith has been mostly taken over by worshipers of money, seekers of pleasures of the flesh at the expense of others, and those who would control us. Wars are fought in he name of religion by Christians and other religions who all commit crimes of murder on the innocent. This is a site about energy, I say we keep religion out of it.

You do realize that people of many faiths participate in this forum don't you. Yet you preach Christianity. I think that is very rude, but I realize you may not realize that so I hold no ill will about it.

Cheers

P.S. I'll ask you a question and please answer me the truth under god. Are you from Witts or defending them ?

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Show me where Jesus said to go make a lot of money and give it to the poor. Jesus was talking to one man who asked what he could do to please God, and Jesus replied so. Am I right ?  I think if I remember he said to "go sell all his possessions and give the money to the poor". He did not say go cheat a lot of people out of money under the pretense of intending to give to the poor.

I believe Witts is hiding behind the Amish. A reprehensible act.

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It is the money changers that control most of the evil in this world. We need to cast them out before any real progress can be made. It really is that simple.

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When there is call for it violence is acceptable. ie. to break tyranny and enslavement may require extreme violence and ultimate sacrifice. Worry not of the violence and sacrifice but rather worry of the consequences of doing nothing about the tyrants, money changers and slave masters.

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If Witts truly do fear god then they ought to be shaking in their boots.

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Title: Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
Post by: CANGAS on February 11, 2014, 10:08:38 AM
I'm not a Christian and do not follow any faith, but I know a bit about the bible. And I do not think it was the intention of Jesus that we go and make a lot of money and give it to the poor, he said to throw away the money and cast out the money changers as well I think. Give a man a fish and feed him for one day but teach a man to fish and he feeds himself for a lifetime. Money is only paper and the persuit of it is the entire problem. The eagerness to make money is what has polluted and ruined the globe as well as ground people under the machine of profiteering. The device is a fake. A deception in the persuit for money from greed.

One does not need to follow a leader to know what is right and what is wrong or to love and care for our fellow man as family. But Jesus also said the Lord helps those who help themselves. In other words if you can't be bothered to try than neither will he. I believe in a similar thing, I'll help people who try and help themselves but I do not suffer fools and have no pity for people who are lazy or expect others to provide for them, both knowledge and stuff. I will feed anyone though as long as they are not violent and in need due to no fault of their own.

Beware of false prophets. Do not deceive in order to gain favor or fame. Glory is within, not in the admiration of others to you. I could write my own bible, and it would be good.

The christian faith has been mostly taken over by worshipers of money, seekers of pleasures of the flesh at the expense of others, and those who would control us. Wars are fought in he name of religion by Christians and other religions who all commit crimes of murder on the innocent. This is a site about energy, I say we keep religion out of it.

You do realize that people of many faiths participate in this forum don't you. Yet you preach Christianity. I think that is very rude, but I realize you may not realize that so I hold no ill will about it.

Cheers

P.S. I'll ask you a question and please answer me the truth under god. Are you from Witts or defending them ?

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Show me where Jesus said to go make a lot of money and give it to the poor. Jesus was talking to one man who asked what he could do to please God, and Jesus replied so. Am I right ?  I think if I remember he said to "go sell all his possessions and give the money to the poor". He did not say go cheat a lot of people out of money under the pretense of intending to give to the poor.

I believe Witts is hiding behind the Amish. A reprehensible act.

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It is the money changers that control most of the evil in this world. We need to cast them out before any real progress can be made. It really is that simple.

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When there is call for it violence is acceptable. ie. to break tyranny and enslavement may require extreme violence and ultimate sacrifice. Worry not of the violence and sacrifice but rather worry of the consequences of doing nothing about the tyrants, money changers and slave masters.

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If Witts truly do fear god then they ought to be shaking in their boots.

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I have no connection to WITT or Trapp  or anything like  that. In fact I am extremely skeptical about them and their alledged invention(s). I am sadly disappointed that you are so ignorant about the English language and the Christian religion that you do not already understand that based on my posts. 

You say that you know a bit about the Bible. The sad fact is that you truly know only a LITTLE bit but you try to argue Christian theology though you are woefully ignorant of it. 

Among many other GROSS mistakes you have said..."But Jesus also said the Lord helps those who help themselves.". I bet you my net worth against yours that you cannot tell me anywhere in the entire Bible, Old or New Testament, where you get that.

I made my posts in an effort to show how the sayings of the WIT or Whatever people contradict the Christian principles, according to the Bible, that they claim to be upholding. It is my genuine great sadness that you have such a terrible ignorance and misunderstanding of a theology, and of the English language, and my posts, that you fail to understand that.   


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