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Author Topic: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?  (Read 472174 times)

nightlife

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« Reply #210 on: March 19, 2008, 06:59:43 AM »
one, no, but a vibration had to have started it.

 As far as the universe being all energy, I cant agree or disagree but as long as there are vibrations, there is energy and if there isn't vibrations, then there can not be energy.

 Energy being a vibration makes a whole lot more sense then it being electrons.

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« Reply #211 on: March 19, 2008, 07:10:48 AM »
For those wanting that 1 hour audio interview of Thrapp in a more portable format...

Here it is encoded into mp3 format:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1YTDLGAQ

Its about 25mb, 60 min 8 secs @ 22Khz/96kbps

peace............

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« Reply #212 on: March 19, 2008, 07:18:42 AM »
@ nightlife:

I am sticking with reality and what HAS been proven.  Your vibration theory, while interesting, has NOT been proven and that is reality.  If you are claiming that Einstein, Oppenheimer, etc. are wrong and you are right, well, I don't buy it.

I listened to the Thrapp interview weeks ago and I have posted that his Stubblefield info was incorrect in some areas.  After a little more research, and what others have posted since, I am still convinced this guy is nothing more than a con man...yes, another one.  That is my opinion.  I decline to give him a donation.

As for overunity being impossible, just ask Stefan and Omnibus about the SMOT.  They will both tell you that it has been proven beyond a doubt to be o.u. (I am not 100% sold on that one but they both are)

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« Reply #213 on: March 19, 2008, 07:44:48 AM »
Pirate88179, there is still to this day, no proof of a electrons existence. there has been said to be traces of one but those traces could as well be traces of a vibration. It is proven that vibrations can flow thru solid objects but it has yet to be proven that one solid object can flow thru another.

 As for Thrapp, I too am skeptical about some of the things he has said and I thought I would post it to see what you all on the earth battery thread thought about it. I didn't realize that you all already had talked about it. I must have missed it or over looked it already.

 As for the SMOT, I have yet to see one to prove there to be an over unity. I do a lot of research and view a lot of different energy devices. A few have interested me enough to actually think they may work but I found that they actually do not as they are said to work.

 I only have I hope left thus far and I am being very careful designing and building it so that I utilize every possible energy with in the design. It is a pulse motor.
 I do have one that I hope to experiment with on Thursday and that is the energy from fragrances. I don?t have much faith in it but it still has me curious enough to experiment with it.

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« Reply #214 on: March 19, 2008, 10:40:41 AM »
Pirate88179, there is still to this day, no proof of a electrons existence. there has been said to be traces of one but those traces could as well be traces of a vibration. It is proven that vibrations can flow thru solid objects but it has yet to be proven that one solid object can flow thru another.

 As for Thrapp, I too am skeptical about some of the things he has said and I thought I would post it to see what you all on the earth battery thread thought about it. I didn't realize that you all already had talked about it. I must have missed it or over looked it already.

 As for the SMOT, I have yet to see one to prove there to be an over unity. I do a lot of research and view a lot of different energy devices. A few have interested me enough to actually think they may work but I found that they actually do not as they are said to work.

 I only have I hope left thus far and I am being very careful designing and building it so that I utilize every possible energy with in the design. It is a pulse motor.
 I do have one that I hope to experiment with on Thursday and that is the energy from fragrances. I don?t have much faith in it but it still has me curious enough to experiment with it.


If there is (as you say) "no proof of an electrons existence", how does one explain HHO or Browns-Gas ?. Aren't these produced by applying a voltage, that is said to pull on positive and negative electrons ?.

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« Reply #215 on: March 19, 2008, 02:47:00 PM »
one, no, but a vibration had to have started it.

 As far as the universe being all energy, I cant agree or disagree but as long as there are vibrations, there is energy and if there isn't vibrations, then there can not be energy.

 Energy being a vibration makes a whole lot more sense then it being electrons.


Personaly  I don't see  it as simple  as an electron  being  a vibration ..........what holds  the vibration together ?
 
What makes it  move  through  some  solids easier than others?   

Why  does electricity  move through  copper much easier  than  through air ?



I  got into  this conversation  when you  said


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A movement can not be made with out another movement taking place first. The movement can not be made to create more energy then the energy used to move it.


A vibration is a movement .       now you seem to be saying that all   movement  started  with a vibration ...... yet .......... you said   the movement  can not be made to  create  more energy than the energy used to move it.

If the  universe  started as a vibration.........and then  became all the motion we now have ............it seems to me that there is very little EXCEPT  over unity .

If  you think about it ....... there is a a very small part of the universe that  " educated " people  tend to see as static  and  unmoving.. We   happen to  exist in that  domain.    If   you  look either larger or  smaller    it seems everyone agrees that  everything is moving. ...............how  could  it be possible  that  there is  less motion at the exact level that "physical  life" exists ?   





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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #216 on: March 19, 2008, 02:57:33 PM »
Nightlife

Just  an observation

If you are going to ask  people to stick  with what is real and provable  ,  then  jump right  back into  your  unprovable  theorys   as if  they are  the only  truth  you   are going to  get alot  of  people thinking  of hot  air  or worse.


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« Reply #217 on: March 19, 2008, 03:00:42 PM »
@nightlife
I would agree with much of what you have said, my point is that many times we state our opinions as fact to be heard and I have made this mistake as well in the past. But opinions are not facts until they are proven in the real world thus opinions should be stated as opinions.

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If there is (as you say) "no proof of an electrons existence", how does one explain HHO or Browns-Gas ?. Aren't these produced by applying a voltage, that is said to pull on positive and negative electrons ?.
I believe that no one has ever seen an electron, they have measured something but have no understanding of "what" this something is. It could just as easily be a standing wave giving the illusion of substance or tangible matter so I think we should keep an open mind.
One thing we do know is that electrons give the appearance of having a negative charge relative to protons considered positive. I had an interesting thought on this the other day, take a bar magnet---it has a north and south pole and directly inbeween these poles is the bloch wall a point of no magnetism. If the electron is negative and the proton positive and the neutron neutral then maybe the neutron has no existance-- it is the "bloch wall" between electrons and protons. If the neutron is possibly just a field boundary condition between charges mistaken as "something" then why not electrons and protons mistaken as matter as well.

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« Reply #218 on: March 19, 2008, 03:12:36 PM »
@nightlife
I would agree with much of what you have said, my point is that many times we state our opinions as fact to be heard and I have made this mistake as well in the past. But opinions are not facts until they are proven in the real world thus opinions should be stated as opinions.



Allcanadian   

I agree
It seems to me it is a little disrespectful  to  consistanntly  state  your  opinions as if it is  truth.    We all have opinions ........... mine  opinions are just as important as   any other persons  opinions.


Another little point
  there are quite a few " proven facts " that are really  only opinion. 
One  example  is  OU.   We are taught it is  impossible  in order to keep  the greedy in   power.

OU  is not easy .......but  I can't  accept that it is impossable.    the entire universe  is OU   ...........in my opinion


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« Reply #219 on: March 19, 2008, 03:25:08 PM »
Bulbz, "If there is (as you say) "no proof of an electrons existence", how does one explain HHO or Browns-Gas ?. Aren't these produced by applying a voltage, that is said to pull on positive and negative electrons ?."

 I am sorry but it could also be said to pull on a positive vibration and a negative vibration which would make more sense.

 one, "what holds  the vibration together ?"

 Resistance

"What makes it  move  through  some  solids easier than others?"

 Resisistance levels of the solids they pass thru.

 "Why  does electricity  move through  copper much easier  than  through air ?"

 I am not really sure if that is correct. I think it does move through air easier becuase air has a lot less resistance then copper or any other substance. I think copper just holds it together better.

"A vibration is a movement .       now you seem to be saying that all   movement  started  with a vibration ...... yet .......... you said   the movement  can not be made to  create  more energy than the energy used to move it.

If the  universe  started as a vibration.........and then  became all the motion we now have ............it seems to me that there is very little EXCEPT  over unity .

If  you think about it ....... there is a a very small part of the universe that  " educated " people  tend to see as static  and  unmoving.. We   happen to  exist in that  domain.    If   you  look either larger or  smaller    it seems everyone agrees that  everything is moving. ...............how  could  it be possible  that  there is  less motion at the exact level that "physical  life" exists ?"

 I do not have all the answers but I feel that answers should be based within the realm common sense. Common sense tell us that something can not move unless something moved it. Then you have to use common sense when trying to create something from nothing. It cant be done. You can not create something from nothing. You can not get more then what you use. It may seam like it but you have to consider what is not seen that had to be added to make it look like you got more then you started with.

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« Reply #220 on: March 19, 2008, 03:31:23 PM »
allcanadian, I agree that opinions are not facts and I will try not to post them as being a fact when they are merely my opinion.

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« Reply #221 on: March 19, 2008, 04:23:15 PM »

 I do not have all the answers but I feel that answers should be based within the realm common sense. Common sense tell us that something can not move unless something moved it. Then you have to use common sense when trying to create something from nothing. It cant be done. You can not create something from nothing. You can not get more then what you use. It may seam like it but you have to consider what is not seen that had to be added to make it look like you got more then you started with.

If  you can't create something  from nothing    the  physical universe could  not  have  started.

You  say  that  something  can't come  from nothing .................but  something  exists .    so where did it come from?

Before  the something was something ......it HAD to be nothing.








Copper  wire  is    a very  good conductor .
Air is a relativly good insulator.
The point  I  was trying to get to is .
If   electorons are  simply vibrations why don't they  respond  like  sound waves?  ........

glass  and  copper  react to sound  in similar ways  ...........but   electrons propagate  much  differently in them



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« Reply #222 on: March 19, 2008, 04:26:14 PM »
@ nightlife:

Yes, I agree with the opinion part, I have them, we all have them.  I do have a question about your theory though....a vibration is a movement within or through a medium, right?  Well, at the sub-atomic level, if atoms and molecules do not exist as is thought, what do your vibrations move through?  Another question for you:  If you don't believe in the existence of o.u. but everything is made up of vibrations instead of electrons, etc.  what set the vibrations in motion at the big bang, or whatever event was the beginning of everything, and why are they still vibrating to this day without any other power input?

I mean this as a friendly thinking discussion, not an argument, ok?  It may be a chicken or the egg deal as to what came first, as in if there were no particles to vibrate, would there be vibration?  Also, if there were particles first, and then a vibration, where did the energy come from to start this vibration, and why is it still taking place without any additional energy input?

I personally believe that the universe and all of our systems are replete with elegant things taking place that we understand but a tiny percentage.

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« Reply #223 on: March 19, 2008, 04:44:19 PM »
All, first of all, I hate getting off topic with in these threads becuase it takes to focus off the topic the thread was started for discussion.

 Lets pick a thread to discuss our opinions and keep our debates on our opinions there.

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« Reply #224 on: March 19, 2008, 05:11:29 PM »
what do your vibrations move through?  Another question for you:  If you don't believe in the existence of o.u. but everything is made up of vibrations instead of electrons, etc.  what set the vibrations in motion at the big bang, or whatever event was the beginning of everything, and why are they still vibrating to this day without any other power input?


see this :  http://www.glafreniere.com/matter.htm

MATTER  IS  MADE  OF  WAVES

" The material Universe is made purely out of Aether "

by Gabriel LaFreniere.  See The Blog for news about this site.