Author Topic: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new? (Read 474405 times)

oouthere · « **Reply #150 on:** March 13, 2008, 04:29:12 AM »

To comment on the rotoverter...yes it appears to be o/u but the power cannot be extracted. My unit was at best about 1,100 watts in and 3,600 watts out. But, if you tried to run light bulbs with it, it consumed the 1,100 watts plus the additional load as well. That's why it disappeared, everyone came to realize this or else everyone of us that tried would be running our house on these units.

Rich

ramset · « **Reply #151 on:** March 13, 2008, 04:29:50 AM »

Borg my personal feeling is this sight is just chock full of great people working every day experimenting beyond the dogma of existing science the atmosphere here is RIPE harvest cannot be far off Chet

b0rg13 · « **Reply #152 on:** March 13, 2008, 04:37:53 AM »

Quote from: oouthere on March 13, 2008, 04:29:12 AM

To comment on the rotoverter...yes it appears to be o/u but the power cannot be extracted. My unit was at best about 1,100 watts in and 3,600 watts out. But, if you tried to run light bulbs with it, it consumed the 1,100 watts plus the additional load as well. That's why it disappeared, everyone came to realize this or else everyone of us that tried would be running our house on these units.

Rich

thnx for the feedback,what a bummer, it looked so good!.

esaruoho · « **Reply #153 on:** March 13, 2008, 07:02:00 AM »

Quote from: b0rg13 on March 13, 2008, 04:04:22 AM

ive seen some really GOOD stuff here too but for some reason when something looks really good and about %95 of it is in the open and ready to go people seem to run away and bury there head in the sand and its all forgottin about. ???like the rotoverter for EG. it looks really good and as soon as it starts to look like its making some progress it seems to turn into thin air., i cant help but thik from all the ideas and stuff here on OU.com that there must be some simple thing that works some where!, well id like to think so any way.

heya.. i think you might find the recent discussions on energeticforums, with peter lindemann weighing in (on page 2, 3 & 4) on the resonance recovery, or reactive power recovery systems, interesting.
it is truly the best conversation thread that i've ever seen, you'll see. check it.
sorry, just had to add.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1507-roto-verter.html

btw, i*ve been archiving free energy documentaries, and if you want any new ones, it really is getting to having to buy about i dont know, 30$ worth of a dvd to have a new one (check energy from the vacuum series for one). there is not an abundance of dvds available on these things, and when people do take the time to produce them, they have to charge for the postage, burning costs/printing costs and the filming as usual. and theres not that much interest.
aagain i refer to this: if ever there is a list of things that are for sale from thrapp, on dvd, i'm game to get as many of them as i can, because this is simply too interesting to walk away from.
ideally, anything that leads one to the direction of further produced videos on things related to moray and stubblefield and keely would be unbelievably interesting. if ste/ste do end up intreviewing thrapp, but it seems that theres an attitude problem or something, or that thrapp doesnt receive something during the first few moments of the interview to convince him that ste/ste mean business, then i'll just get questions together from a few of my friends directly and record the conversation after arranging it.
these are, after all, personalities that we are dealing with, it could be that theres a polarizing effect from the moment ste/ste say anything and thrapp responds - its possible that he is searching for someone whom he can vibe with, and can detect if someone's just trying to suss out if he's a fraud or not.
anyway, the 31st interview is soon (what, 7+11 days), and i know that sterling is, if a bit skeptical,at least a decent intreviewer. i just hope the audio emerges because then can do a re-run later, if something obviously "went wrong".

is it really true that nobody archived the googlevideo video when it was first posted??

esaruoho · « **Reply #154 on:** March 13, 2008, 07:26:33 AM »

Quote from: oouthere on March 13, 2008, 04:29:12 AM

To comment on the rotoverter...yes it appears to be o/u but the power cannot be extracted. My unit was at best about 1,100 watts in and 3,600 watts out. But, if you tried to run light bulbs with it, it consumed the 1,100 watts plus the additional load as well. That's why it disappeared, everyone came to realize this or else everyone of us that tried would be running our house on these units.
Rich

thread, bear wtih me, i have to set this straight. i'm going to afterthis listen to the thrapp interview and start commenting, as i finally have the time.

hello rich. i refer to these posts from peterlindemann:
1)
"I applaud Hector for encouraging people to run these experiments, but the RotoVerter is an EFFICIENCY technique, not an OU technique. The Reactive Power circulating in the LC tank circuits can be converted to Real Power, usig methods discovered by Tesla, but that is another matter entirely." (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1507-roto-verter-2.html#post16707)
2) then peter refers to tesla's 6 method of conversions for getting the reactive power out, ( http://www.energeticforum.com/16933-post53.html)
3) then peter refers to hector's virtual current circulation video:
"The video of Hector is a perfect example of why I believe what I do. He is showing that the RV motor side is running on 175 WATTS of Real Power, and the generator side is producing 208 volts and 7.6 amps, or 1508 VARS of Reactive Power, measured to and from the Capacitor load on the generator. He refers to this as "circulating current" which is exactly what it is. This film shows ZERO WATTS of Real Power coming out of the generator. Reactive Power does NOT produce any Back EMF in the generator, so the motor is still operating at, essentially, no load. There is no way (shown here) to use the power from the generator to run the motor. I am not trying to be a "pain in the ass", I am trying to help you form a clear picture in your mind of what is possible and what is not." http://www.energeticforum.com/17173-post87.html
4) http://www.energeticforum.com/17204-post89.html i try and write about stuff about the recovery circuits to peter to see how he reacts (he did mention tesla's recovery methods)
5) peter: "Thank you for this post and the link to the "neon peak recovery circuit". THIS APPROACH HAS MERIT!!!!! Going back to what I posted about Tesla's "Method of Conversion", clipping the VOLTAGE PEAK of a resonant tank created by an AC generator feeding a Capacitive load, IS the first method he discusses. The trick is to clip the top of the voltage rise JUST AS THE CURRENT DROPS TO THE ZERO POINT. In a 60 cycle system, that gives you about a millisecond to clip. Under these circumstances, this system WOULD tap Radiant Energy (voltage without current) just as Hector apparently claims." "The discussion about "false triggering" of the SCR's is interesting. My guess would be that the "false triggering" is coming from the neon bulb more than the SCR. 50% failure rate on a commercially available semi-conductor device seems excessive."
and here's the clincher
"I now see that there is more to the RV project than just Power Factor Correcting a 3-phase motor. This recovery process will work in ANY situation where an AC generator is supplying Reactive Power to a capacitive load." http://www.energeticforum.com/17211-post90.html
this was the most remarkable about-turn i've ever seen. this is when it started getting interesting. oouthere, i really recommend you start looking into extracting the reactive power. if you got far enough to create it, why not just extract it?
6) "My goal will be to understand what this technology is and what it's historic roots are. At this point, my understanding is that it all relates back to Tesla's brushless induction motors, and his "Method of Conversion" processes for cracking Radiant Energy out of Resonant AC tank circuits. If you have found practical ways to accomplish this with off-the-shelf technology, then it is AWESOME." http://www.energeticforum.com/17250-post99.html
7) a huge post from ashtweth in response to the thread http://www.energeticforum.com/17269-post106.html

peter lindemann reacts: http://www.energeticforum.com/17278-post108.html

oouthere pretty please, look into it.
now back to the thread.

esaruoho · « **Reply #155 on:** March 13, 2008, 07:46:50 AM »

oh and here is an interesting thing about reactive power and the moray devices.
if thrapp talks about moray, it does seem like they too are mucking aroundwith reactive power extraction.
http://merlib.org/node/5508 - John Bedini: Reactive Power is the clue to Monopole, Hendershot, Moray..

ramset · « **Reply #156 on:** March 13, 2008, 02:53:18 PM »

ESA thankyou for all the info and the information on th RV Chet

epwpixieq-1 · « **Reply #157 on:** March 13, 2008, 06:26:34 PM »

@ all

Have you seen this water heater ( ... reaching 2000% efficiency !!!!!! )
http://merlib.org/node/5504
It seems to work on a similar resonance principal ( although he claims it is the sound ) as the one shown by the Amish group.
the interesting note is that the guy has the technology for about 50 years and has a small workshop for making the device ... and NO ONE seems to be interested.
I REALLY would like to find out how to contact him and order one !!!!

SAS

ramset · « **Reply #158 on:** March 13, 2008, 06:59:24 PM »

E P W thats the Davey device spoken of in earlier posts I personaly have never seen all that info thanx Chet

Carl. · « **Reply #159 on:** March 13, 2008, 10:43:33 PM »

A general question about the RV setup.

Wouldn't it make more sense to use this tech to make a really efficient motor to drive a really efficient generator? I would say, for the moment, stop trying to harvest the circulating current and just use it where it is at. I am curious as to what the gains in efficiency would be on the motor and what impact the connected generator would have on the motors performance (drag, current consumption etc...) when loaded.

I would think this strategy would allow us to take a step in the right direction, more efficient power production while we work on the issue of harvesting the circulating current.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #160 on:** March 14, 2008, 12:35:55 AM »

Hi All,
I got an email from John
and we are discussing now first privately,
if and how an interview can be done
and under what conditions.

If the outcome is positive, I will let you all know.

Many thanks for your patience.

Regards, Stefan.

one · « **Reply #161 on:** March 14, 2008, 12:56:23 AM »

Quote from: hartiberlin on March 14, 2008, 12:35:55 AM

Hi All,
I got an email from John
and we are discussing now first privately,
if and how an interview can be done
and under what conditions.

If the outcome is positive, I will let you all know.

Many thanks for your patience.

Regards, Stefan.

Stephan

Why don't you set up a paypal account for some of us to kick in a few bucks

It seems to me if we can help make your offer larger ........ John may be more generous about sharing his knowledge

gary

Eniac5state · « **Reply #162 on:** March 14, 2008, 01:09:06 AM »

Standing from the sidelines and looking to this threat I'm sad. Some 4000 messages and still got
nothing working ? How is that possible considering we are talking about 1920 and sooner, technology !
Shame on you. Even Tesla new back then how that happens: he said: "you are paralysed with fascination ". ( ! ) Yes and you are too. You have to switch of that fun/exiting feeling off and become
scientifically dry. How many members have we left..? Right . Next thing. How many people have
downloaded the Tesla patents and fully read them and understood them ? Still fewer people :'(
Well, you might say : we are not all that gifted and don't we all depend on leaders in their fields etc ? o.k.
Next item. If only religious people do understand these powers of nature what should happen to the rest ? Good question that has to be answered. And finally i speak and understand exactly the
kinda vague language of Mr. Thrapp. So what sounds vague to you is clear to me.

Because it is so neat here and decent i will standby to fill in gaps ? Yes and actually i do like entertainment and have a little godcomplex also !

We're all the same kind i see.

ramset · « **Reply #163 on:** March 14, 2008, 01:30:16 AM »

Stick around I like you already !! we need good sincere people thanx Chet

hartiberlin · « **Reply #164 on:** March 14, 2008, 01:51:26 AM »

Quote from: one on March 14, 2008, 12:56:23 AM

Quote from: hartiberlin on March 14, 2008, 12:35:55 AM
Hi All,
I got an email from John
and we are discussing now first privately,
if and how an interview can be done
and under what conditions.

If the outcome is positive, I will let you all know.

Many thanks for your patience.

Regards, Stefan.

Stephan

Why don't you set up a paypal account for some of us to kick in a few bucks

It seems to me if we can help make your offer larger ........ John may be more generous about sharing his knowledge

gary

Hi Gary,
if they just want money, we are the wrong crowd.

I donate 100 US$ for an interview from my own money.

If that is okay with them, then we can go ahead
and do the interview.

I just don?t want to handle money from other people,
so I want to stay independant from other money.

Many thanks for understanding.

Regards, Stefan.

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