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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #375 on: July 01, 2008, 03:21:34 AM »
anyone care to hazard a guess what "the flux switch transformer" is in relation to the 3 videos that have been posted by WITTS?

(from the 2005 writeup: "the gravity motor or the flux switch transformer, or the milliwatt dominant energy converter.")

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #376 on: July 01, 2008, 05:12:38 AM »
esaruoho:

Yes, exactly. (referring to what you said to Koen1)  I forgot that you were the one that offered to digitize the videos, something they said they could not do otherwise they would send them to everyone.  You, being the good person you are, offered this, and, correct me if I am wrong, they did not take you up on this.  So, you have to live in the states before they can take advantage of your free offer?

Look, I don't know everything, God knows I actually know very little.  Another guy offered to set up their website for them for free, and was told he has to donate $100.00 before they would allow him to do that.

You, as I said, seem like a nice guy interested in energy devices. (real ones)  So am I.  If you had this "lost" technology, what would you do?  I know I would need some money, even to give it away....websites, machine tools, etc.  Stuff costs money.  But, if you volunteered to to set up my website, or digitize my videos for free, I would NOT tell you I would only allow that if you first donate to me to prove you are serious.

I hope he really has something.  If he does, he is at the right place.  I have no problem for asking for money for operating expenses to get this technology out.  I would have to do that as well.  But, if you offered to freely digitize my videos so I could more easily contact the masses, I would have jumped on that in a heartbeat.

We are all he on this forum for basically the same reasons.  I just hate to see good people get sucked into what I think is a dead-end scam.  Maybe scam is too harsh a word but, the pieces don't fit is all I am saying.

Maybe, like we offered before, we can all donate some $$ and Stefan can order the "plans".  Better we all get ripped for $1 instead of one of us getting ripped for $300.  If this is the case, I am in, even given my previous stand.  It would be worth it to me to prove/disprove this before anyone else takes a bath.  And, if it is real, Stefan will know.

If the water heater works as advertised, hell, I would back these people to the end of the earth on the rest of their tech.

What do you think?

Bill

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #377 on: July 01, 2008, 06:05:56 AM »

esaruoho:
Yes, exactly. (referring to what you said to Koen1)  I forgot that you were the one that offered to digitize the videos, something they said they could not do otherwise they would send them to everyone.  You, being the good person you are, offered this, and, correct me if I am wrong, they did not take you up on this.  So, you have to live in the states before they can take advantage of your free offer?
Look, I don't know everything, God knows I actually know very little.  Another guy offered to set up their website for them for free, and was told he has to donate $100.00 before they would allow him to do that.
You, as I said, seem like a nice guy interested in energy devices. (real ones)  So am I. 

hi bill. yeah, i offered to digitize. they said great! then they found out i was overseas, and the reaction was that it would be prohibitively expensive. i offered to pay for the postage, but there was never any response after that. which makes me believe that they chose a different method of approach.

If you had this "lost" technology, what would you do?  I know I would need some money, even to give it away....websites, machine tools, etc.  Stuff costs money.  But, if you volunteered to to set up my website, or digitize my videos for free, I would NOT tell you I would only allow that if you first donate to me to prove you are serious.

well. ive always been of the opinion, that the key is in opensource. you pick 5-30-150 people you trust, who know how to hold a soldering iron, who will build, and you  make the best stab you can, on your own, to do the most informative instructions, construction video, etc that you can, and you do a shopping-list, and make a kit. you pick 5 people, out of that trusted list of people, and send them the instructions, circuit schematics, the kit, shoppinglist, construction video.  youve picked well, and they construct the device, verify it working, write a diary during the construction, video the building. and then, you post all of that online (your instructions, kit and replication, their instructions, kit and replication). suddenly theres, say, 5 different replications of the same device, all documented working, with valid and accurate metering, etc. its not one guy with a webcam, its 6 people with webcams, all building it themselves. and then, you ask for donations, and sell the kit. thats how id go about it.
oh, and id send a care-package to keelynet, rexresearch, merlib  and  various alternative energy  r&d foundations, panacea-bocaf, for instance.
oh, and you send the kit, video and proper images to makezine, constructables and the other d-i-y hobbyists stuff.

what you DONT do is
1) litter the instruction pdfs with ranting against governments, oil companies, any people you deem bad
2) talk vaguely and with poor spelling
3) .. i cant come up with anything else.

Maybe, like we offered before, we can all donate some $$ and Stefan can order the "plans".  Better we all get ripped for $1 instead of one of us getting ripped for $300.  If this is the case, I am in, even given my previous stand.  It would be worth it to me to prove/disprove this before anyone else takes a bath.  And, if it is real, Stefan will know.
If the water heater works as advertised, hell, I would back these people to the end of the earth on the rest of their tech.
What do you think? Bill

sure. i would donate. it is obvious from the two interviews, and the third (jeane manning 2005) that they are in fund-raiser mode. what are they saying they are raising funds for? they are raising funds for a factory, to massmanufacture their devices.. hence the overunity + waterfuelmuseum promotion and the 3 videos.  i understand its pretty hard to accept that any of the things that they are doing, that we consider  outlandish, wrong or reminiscent of hoaxes, are actually covered by the blanket term  of  attempting to get funds to build a factory to mass-manufacture.

and yeah, i am very interested in funding anything that would eventually mean that i have that keely heating device. afte rall, the interviews di dmention that you could fan the sphere while it is running, for it to be a room-heater. so, warm room and hot water, thats pretty ace!

i always play around with the idea, what would really happen if you could exhaust the need that people have for money, i.e., lets say, that the 6th and 7th episodes of energy from the vacuum dvd series would be released if someone threw, i dunno, 6000$ to them. or if the wilhelm reich documentary would be produced filmed and released if the wilhelm reich foundation got 150,000$. or if i could send 280,000$ to the earthship biotecture people so they can build an earthship in new orleans and educate the people there on it. or if i could get together 200,000USD to send to the guy who did "free energy - race to zero point" to finance the next documentary he wants to do, which will be focused on water, viktor schauberger, etc. and then theres WITTS. and institute of ecological technology community in malm?. i always wonder, how many wheels could we get rolling with say, a million bucks. but i never seem to win in the lottery. pisses me off, to be honest.

itd be nice to play a game of place the money, of microfinancing alt.energy inventors, organizations and communities, _exactly like http://www.kiva.org/ is now doing for 3rd world country entrepeneurs._

its a crying shame there isnt such a service yet. on kiva.org, people make their plea "i make shoes. i need 600$ for a motorbike so i can deliver shoes to my customers" and people donate 25$ or more to it, i.e. poor people microfinance other poor people. or slightly richer people microfinance slightly poorer people.

_there should be a kiva.org equivalent for free energy scene_. then people could make up their own minds as to who to support, and it wouldnt be such a drag. someone throwing hundreds of thousands to a scammer is way worse than say 20$ being thrown by hundreds of people towards a thing that just might not be a scam!_

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anyway..

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #378 on: July 01, 2008, 07:04:18 AM »
I agree totally.  Let's see if Stefan is interested in setting up a donation fund raiser for us to all drop $1.  300 of us could then have the plans sent to Stefan and we can see what he says about it.  If Stefan gets the plans and the last page says something like....." send more money for the rest of the info...." then we will know something is not right.  If Stefan starts heating his own hot water with it, then we will know that too. I still say it smells like a scam, fund raising mode or not but, I am willing to sacrifice the sum of $1 to prove/disprove it.  If it is real, let's use it and spread the word, if not, let's move on.

What do you say Stefan?  (I still think you did a credible job on the interview. Thank you for doing that for us.)

Bill

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #379 on: July 01, 2008, 07:17:28 AM »
I agree totally.  Let's see if Stefan is interested in setting up a donation fund raiser for us to all drop $1.  300 of us could then have the plans sent to Stefan and we can see what he says about it.  If Stefan gets the plans and the last page says something like....." send more money for the rest of the info...." then we will know something is not right.  If Stefan starts heating his own hot water with it, then we will know that too. I still say it smells like a scam, fund raising mode or not but, I am willing to sacrifice the sum of $1 to prove/disprove it.  If it is real, let's use it and spread the word, if not, let's move on.
What do you say Stefan?  (I still think you did a credible job on the interview. Thank you for doing that for us.)
Bill

erm, as far as i can see:
1) in 2005 they were selling one device plans per 100$ - thats not "on" anymore
2) in 2007 they were selling DVDvideos per 30-40$ - thats not "on" anymore
3) currently in 2007-2008 they are attempting to get as many people as possible to donate to them so they can massproduce their devices in a factory.

so im not sure what 300$ would achieve, except, according to the info available, 3 hours of consultation.
which is fine, if someone wants to finance james a. robey (waterfuelmuseum) to do another interview, im all for that.
the front page of the still-in-building witts page is asking for 300 people to regularly tithe them. i dont know if they are trying to get together 30,000USD, 300,000USD or 3 million USD. its very hard to say. 30 million usd? ;) 300 million? a million billion usd?

i hope that whenever the website is finished and launched, they will have a ChipIn widget  so we can see 1) how much they are looking for 2) how many have donated  (via paypal).
that should help.

anyway, ive mailed james a. robey now and asked if he would be game to interviewing thrapp again, as a continuance effort. i think it could be interesting, he teased quite a bit out of thrapp by, well, being an english speaker, and amicable.

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #380 on: July 01, 2008, 07:42:55 AM »
I am sorry, possibly I misspoke, or mistyped.  I thought, and this to may have changed lately, that $300.00 would purchase the plans for the hot water heater device alone.  If I am wrong, I stand corrected.  I think it would be useless for 3 hours of Q&A for that money.  Plans for a working device, yes.  Your interview idea is a good one but I have my doubts as to what might be actually revealed.  These guys are cagey if nothing else.  Possibly we might get a better picture of their intentions, I don't know.  I do know that they are not going to reveal how to build any working device in an interview.  I know I wouldn't.

As I said before, I am not really bothered by the money per se.  I am bothered by the money when that seems to be the primary goal at this point.  Build a manufacturing plant?  I have done this in my lifetime and, yes, it costs a lot of money.  I obtained loans but could have gathered investors if I went that route.  Has anyone done a background investigation on this guy?  Maybe I should do that.  It will cost me about $25.00 but maybe we can all learn something.  Let me know what you think.  Believe me, I want to trust and believe in this guy and his work.  Maybe he is a genius and just has no people skills or business sense and is going about this all the wrong way.  It has been done before.  Maybe it is something else.

There are a lot of people in our overunity community and that should count for something and give us just a little bit of power.  I think we just need to band together and see what we can do here.

Someone somewhere probably knows all about this guy, for better or worse, and we just need to find him.  Everyone has a history, unless this is not his real name.

Anyway,  I am glad we seem to be on the same page here.  I believe we all want the same things. (and it is not oil)

Bill

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #381 on: July 01, 2008, 01:23:50 PM »
Or time for Thrapp to quit acting mysterious about it and just very clearly
tell us what the "secret" is.
After all, if people are doing similar experiments already, why does he sit
on the "secret", why does he not help and offer constructive tips
based on those (claimed) 20+ years of experience?
Does he think he owns the concept?

@Bill: not a bad idea, really, to join forces an donate $1 each,
so that together we can get a demonstration and lecture,
which we could then video ourselves and share amongst ourselves
here on the forum!
The more I think about it, the better it seems. :)

@Stefan: what do you think? ;)

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #382 on: July 01, 2008, 03:06:46 PM »
900 watts! Is nothing.
Don Matin have thos done before 2000 wit some Kwatts.

The origine source i read 2002 in net.

now, some informations are to find at Prof. Evert.Germany

http://www.evert.de/eft722e.htm  english


http://www.evert.de/eft722.htm  german


Gustav Pese

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #383 on: July 01, 2008, 03:25:17 PM »
sorry Pese, but 900 watts is nearly one kilowatt,
and since Thrapp claims they're demonstation devices
with impractical output this suggests they can
be upscaled.

By the way, that generator Evert is looking at, I have kept my eye
on that for a while too, but I see zero developments there.
What I read there now is exactly the same stuff as I read years ago.
I see nobody excitedly present their relatively simple inflated
tire generator on youtube, I hear nobody talking about running
their house off such a simple contraption...
... such a lack of developments makes me wonder what is happening.
Is anyone still working on this or are we just bouncing old info?

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #384 on: July 02, 2008, 12:09:33 AM »
sorry Pese, but 900 watts is nearly one kilowatt,
and since Thrapp claims they're demonstation devices
with impractical output this suggests they can
be upscaled.

By the way, that generator Evert is looking at, I have kept my eye
on that for a while too, but I see zero developments there.
What I read there now is exactly the same stuff as I read years ago.
I see nobody excitedly present their relatively simple inflated
tire generator on youtube, I hear nobody talking about running
their house off such a simple contraption...
... such a lack of developments makes me wonder what is happening.
Is anyone still working on this or are we just bouncing old info?

shur i know 0,9KW.
Don Martin some mor KW . see the link.
also it existing bigger-one that you cant fin
with internet searching machines.
And this is good so. Use oil to help the
energy suppiers and industry : ???

Pese

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #385 on: July 02, 2008, 04:50:13 PM »
I said it before and now I will say it again, this guy has something.  The problem is, his team, as experienced in this field as they may be (20 + years) they don't fully understand themselves, and cannot paint a picture which can be appreciated by the majority of people viewing.  Don't send them your money, do your homework, and see the truth for yourself.

The quote I extracted from that interview was presented before this thread came into existence!!!
URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

Read the highlights of the quote.  Referring to the red text, Trapp told you, and now you are seeing people do exactly what he said in that thread!  The bold text reveals simply that a 100 volt DC source was pulsed, in my view, this DC source served two functions:

1. charged the capacitor of the capacitive discharge circuit. 
2. was the voltage source for a high voltage step up transformer.

In the quote he says he drove a cell, however, this cell could be viewed in the same manner as we view the spark plug.  The cell therefore is easily replaced by a spark plug.

In reference to the underlined portion of the quote, the most important part of the quote.  We are informed that an RF envelope was placed over the DC.  The same thing is being done in that water fuel thread, use of the ignition coil.  The major difference between what Trapp has indicated and what is taking place on that thread is comprehension.  Experimenters and researchers in general, don't fully appreciate the function of the RF envelope as it has been labeled by Trapp.  For instance the majority on that particular thread only see the high voltage discharges as being a means for ionizing the gap space, prior to the discharging of the capacitor.  This ionization is only a small fraction of what is actually taking place!  If ionization was all that was going on, Trapp wouldn't have associated this RF window with what he termed the "Dominant" energy field.  Instead of follow the leader, attention to detail is what is really needed!  You all are very close, examine all that you have been given, only then will you be able to take action based on knowledge versus information.  You now know that Trapp's "Dominant" energy field is directly related to RF.  Time to go back to the old school books!

Regards

thank you erfinder, as always :)

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #386 on: July 06, 2008, 02:03:32 AM »
anyone care to hazard a guess what "the flux switch transformer" is in relation to the 3 videos that have been posted by WITTS?
(from the 2005 writeup: "the gravity motor or the flux switch transformer, or the milliwatt dominant energy converter.")

ok.. whats the best page currently on the history of gravity motors? it seems to be a continuous running theme in the 2005, 2007 and 2008 interviews (jeane manning, james a. robey, stefan hartmann), that WITTS want to develop a gravity motor "buildable by a person with an IQ of 100 or higher" "that would be simple enough to be built without too many parts", etc. and to give that out on a donation-basis.

in regards the 26 or more types of electricity (none of them being "electron flow"), there does seem to be a connection to what John Bedini is saying  in Energy From The Vacuum part 2, about there being more forms of energy than the one measurable by "electron flow". has anyone spent time looking into how the descriptions of both of these people mesh together? sure, Bedini calls it  the gaseous ether, going back to what Gerry Vassilatos wrote about Tesla's Impulse DC / Impulse energy,  and Thrapp calls it dominant energy engineering, but it does seem like they are both talking about the same thing, but in different ways.

its been an interesting couple of days, starting from 26th june.  since http://www.WITTs.ws links us to a Joomla log-in page, i have great hopes that there is a website coming for WITTS. maybe even very soon?

the erfinder analysis was definitely very interesting, but still for some reason, no matter who says anything about electrolyzer methods, we're still stuck with articles like http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1769/69/, voicing general "i dont believe it, its impossible" opinions of the eco-web-communities  against water being possible to be used as a fuel.

the mentions in the james a. robey interview about a radiant energy booster, and a hydroxy mileage boosters  lead me to wonder whether the forthcoming website might have a hydroxy mileage booster for sale? any opinions, would this prove that WITTS/Thrapp is more legit, or would it do more of the opposite?

i for one would love to purchase the keely spherical heating device, seems to be a dinky piece of work. im sure it would be great to have Peter Davey  analyze the device, and to have Timothy Thrapp analyze Davey's machine. they, after all, seem to be on the same foundations of vibration+frequency+resonance. but theres no contact details to peter davey, are there? a phonenumber? anyone?

by the way, does anyone know of an affordable device that would allow one to record a mobile phone conversation, perhaps a plugin device to the cell-phone?  or to record a skype conversation,maybe?

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« Reply #387 on: July 06, 2008, 06:02:36 AM »
@ esaruoho:

First, make sure you are in a "one-party" state before recording any telephone conversations.  (If you live in the US)
You can obtain a list by looking on Google.  I believe about 30 states are one party states.  This simply means that only one party has to consent to having the conversation taped, and you can be that one party.  If you have the other party's consent, then it doesn't matter.

OK.  The best way I have found to record cell phones, especially since there are so many brands and types, is to purchase a small micro cassette recorder (about $25.00) and use the speaker phone feature on the cell phone.  This will record both sides of the conversation and is reasonably clear.  I record conversations all the time using this method and it works well.  Not as good as a wire connection would be but, then you run into issues like it only records your voice and not the other end, or visa-versa.  Sometimes you get lucky and get the proper cord that does both.  If this is available, this is the best way but, I usually go with the speaker phone (hands free) setting.  I hope this helps.

Bill

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #388 on: July 06, 2008, 10:29:48 AM »
thanks! i guess i can wait till october, and use this induction suction cup microphone  on an actual land-line phone, i have three of them (and they're great for recording the sounds of, for instance, adaptors, power supply units, displaycards and any other type of electrical noises that for instance laptops or even flatscreen give out. oh, and usbstick pulses (on write+read) are dinky too.  hang on, this has nothing to do with the topic anymore! ..

anyone care to guestimate how much money WITTS are looking for, to build a factory to massmanufacture devices? a mate of mine suggested they might need 3 mil, and 5mil next year due to the economy? does that sound reasonable for a "mass-manufacturing factory"?


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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #389 on: July 08, 2008, 03:07:56 PM »
That part in the broadcast where he said he discovered a way to grow limbs back on dogs and people, but it was being suppressed sounded like a load of crap to me.

he never said "he discovered" anything. he said that WITTS had a person working for them, who had worked under that antoine priore character, from france, and they were working at it.
i suppose this page will be as good a link on antoin priore as any:
http://www.cheniere.org/priore/index.html
seems like theres a connection to t.h.moray's devices too, at least according to what's stated on the other pages on cheniere.org which focus on priore.
http://www.rexresearch.com/priore/priore.htm
"Office of Naval Research, (London) ~ Report R-5-78 (August 16, 1978) A Biologically Active Combination of Modulated Magnetic and Microwave Fields: The Priore Machine "

anyway.. i did listen to the thrapp interview, as did you - and it really didnt seem to me that thrapp "discovered" anything regarded to priore, but they did do some research&re-development, with the help of a person who worked with priore back in the .. 60s?70s?