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Author Topic: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?  (Read 386228 times)

Offline EMdevices

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2008, 07:59:11 PM »
If you have an oscilloscope, and a known value capacitor, you can give the two a pulse and see the ringing on the oscilloscope  (place the oscilloscope in ONE TIME trigger mode)   You can then capture the ringing and see what frequency it is.   Then you can work backwards with the equations I posted up there and find the inductance you have.

Or, you can just try and apporximate by calculating the inductance given the lengths, number of turns, etc..

In any even, you will need lots of capacitors  :)   or super high speed with lots of poles.  That's why nobody has tried this before due to these formidable challenges.

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2008, 08:05:22 PM »
@EMdevices,

Is it possible to use NiCads instead of capacitors? A NiCad is (sort of) a big electrolytic capacitor.
What about super caps? Altough they are expensive one get a lot of Farad for the money.  ;D

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2008, 08:21:15 PM »
 ;D


well i dont know about nicads but i have personally tryed old batteryies....   1.5 9v ect.....   and i was able to recharge them im sure they act a translating devices ......


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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #48 on: March 07, 2008, 04:11:10 AM »
I'm not sure about NiCads or any other type of battery for that matter.  They just can't replace an AC capacitor for this type of function.   They have high internal resistance, etc..   

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #49 on: March 07, 2008, 09:45:08 AM »
hi all,
sory i aem no speek english.

Resonant motor:http://free-energy.webpark.cz/teorie/rez-motor/projekt-rm.pdf

Patent resonant motor:http://free-energy.webpark.cz/patent.html

Resonance GAIN-10-100-1000 atd:Magnifying Transmitter:http://free-energy.webpark.cz/teorie/free-energy.pdf

Resonance and all good literatur Thread:"ÄŒten? pro odborn?ky":http://free-energy.webpark.cz/

All cz speek sorry.
Meybe resonant motor patent english from google?




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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
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"Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2008, 11:05:18 AM »
@innovation_station,

I have made a prototype based on my drawing.
The prototype has only three coils to see if the systems work or not.
The motor generator runs and has a output on the magnetic cross coupled
coil. So I conclude that is IS possible to build the motor generator shown in
my drawing. May drawing is NOT a joke, the 600W generators discussed MAY be a joke.

Groundloop.

@Groundloop

I enjoyed looking at your deduction of Timothy's motor / generator, but must inform you that if for each passing magnet the magnetic polarity of the electromagnet stays the same, you are obliged to have each rotor magnet with the identical magnetic direction.

Since your rotor has alternating magnetic polarity, your motor coils must also have alternating magnetic polarity.  This is not possible to achieve with a simple Bedini type of pulse control.  An optimal control circuit for pulsing the motor coils will have to have a little more complexity.  Either the electromagnet will need a bifilar motor winding - or the electronics will have to be able to pulse the motor coil with alternating electrical polarity.

The extra complexity is somewhat compensated by the fact that the approaching rotor magnet with be attracted to the ferric core that will have a residual opposite magnetic polarity.

Even in this case, although I could see a high-efficiency motor, I don't see any apparent source of free energy with this configuration.  Do you see any possible source of FE for this configuration?

Earl




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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #51 on: March 07, 2008, 03:19:04 PM »
I noticed the google video is no longer available.    Suppression? or Incompetence?   :)
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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #52 on: March 07, 2008, 03:30:34 PM »
I noticed the google video is no longer available.    Suppression? or Incompetence?   :)
EM

Here's 10 minutes of it, I guess they forgot to delete this one as well.  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYmrQ8q0F98

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #53 on: March 07, 2008, 04:53:00 PM »
This seems to be the same design but notice that he shows the shaft rotates smoothly from stand still.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jt5z8L4LBJE&feature=related

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #54 on: March 07, 2008, 05:48:07 PM »
EMDevices:

First, I very much enjoy your posts.

I think you are on to something here.  I also believe this unit is real.   There are similarities to historical and current OU systems that are remarkable.  Most of the Bedini motors are resonantly coupled, tesla coils are resonantly coupled, the TPU effects seemed to be based on resonance, etc.

I think your idea of measuring capacitor resonance is brilliant.   As Bearden says, any dipole is a source of infinite energy. A capacitor is nothing but a large dipole. Resonant induction may enable the capacitor to be charged by local vacuum energy. Or to paraphrase Bedini, perhaps we can "ping" the capacitor into resonance with the local active vacuum.  I have a feeling that the key to all these systems is the timing/switching and the proper use of resonant coupling.

As for this 900W generator, I think it looks very similar to a Bedini system combined with elements of a TPU.  I do not think this is a coincidence.





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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #55 on: March 07, 2008, 05:51:30 PM »
@Earl,

It is not a deduction of Timothy's motor / generator. It is a further development of my
iron center rotor setup. But I thought it looked a bit like the Timothy's system so I
posted it here.

My motor circuit is designed to trigger on North passing magnets. Only two coils opposite to each other will be firing at the same time. I have tested that the the outher generator coil
works in this setup.

>Do you see any possible source of FE for this configuration?

Maybe.

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2008, 11:35:34 PM »
@EMdevices,

The biggest problem is to find the Henry value of my coils since I do not have a meter for measuring inductance.

To find the RPM is easy, just hook up the scope to the motor coil and measure the pulse repetition time.
Then I use f = 1/t. Knowing that my circuit will only fire on the North magnets passing I then
divide that value in two and then divide by 60. This gives me the RPM.

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Hi Groundloop,

Although EM suggested a good inductance measurement method, here is another one if you like:

http://www.coilgun.info/theory/measureinductance.htm

You could use a normal linear potmeter instead of the resistance decade box and in Step 5 you could measure the potmeter setting with an Ohm meter of course.  If you have coils with high copper resistance that would happen to approach the series potmeter adjusted resistance, then you have to measure separately the coil DC resistance and consider it in the measured potmeter resistance for a more precise calculation for your coil's L.
Also, if you have coils with lower number of turns (i.e.  L values of some milliHenries only) you would prefer using only 2-3V AC voltage for the measurement at your 50Hz to limit the current in the measuring circuit (potmeters do not like the higher milliamper currents that tend to flow in cases of low inductive coil reactances...).  Or if you happen to have a low frequency audio generator-like source, it would also be great instead of the mains transformer.

rgds,  Gyula

PS: See this link also for a similar method, although it needs a 1V AC audio generator source (or a 1V mains transformer secondary output) : http://et.nmsu.edu/~etti/fall96/electronics/induct/induct.html   

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #57 on: March 08, 2008, 02:43:22 AM »
Quote
...I have a feeling that the key to all these systems is the timing/switching and the proper use of resonant coupling.

Hi Feynmen,  what you mention is probably the key, the right timing/phasing and resonance.   


@ all,

you know what I've been thinking,  this might be a breakthrough in the TPU mystery !!!

Where's what has become apparent to me from the Thrapp motor, and I'm so glad I saw this thread.

We need electromagnetic resonance of the tank circuit formed by the generator windings and an external capacitor, but we've seen that we need fast rotation speeds or we'll need lots of inductance and capacitance.   

However,  what if we replace the mechanical rotor with the stator of an AC motor that creates ROTATIONAL MAGNETIC FIELDS ?

So, replace the rotor in the generator, with a STATIONARY armature that can produce rotational mag fields with phasing, like in AC motors.   Now speed is not a problem, no mechanical limitations !!!!!    Didn't SM mention something about the need for HIGH SPEED?   Now we have two stationary motor/generator circular coils in close proximity, one playing the motor function, the other the generator (and loaded with capacitors for resonance).  This now begins to look more like the TPUs!!!   

Is that wild or what?,  Now we don't have mechanical limitations, and can get fast speeds and we can do it with small capacitors instead of a box full.

So to recap, 

1)  CREATE ROTATIONAL MAGFIELDS WITH 2 OR 3 STATIONARY PHASE WINDINGS
2)  IMPLEMENT THE GENERATOR WITH CAPACITORS CONNECTED TO THE WINDINGS FOR RESONANCE
3)  EXTRACT ENERGY !!!!!

EM

P.S.  At any rate,  I wondering if the extra energy comes about due to ROTATIONAL aspects coupled with resonance, or if this can be done with linear systems?  I guess it's premature to speculate.  I want to duplicate the Thrapp motor setup first, and then try and simplify.   I'm getting excited again, just like with the Mike HMM, Bedini replicated motor, the famous SELF RUNNER  :)

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2008, 03:13:21 AM »
This is some exciting !!! stuff, Chet

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2008, 03:15:10 AM »
And to illustrate with a drawing,  here's a simple device:

1) Ring with 4 coils for creating rotational mag fields
2) Center ferrite inductor and capacitor as the resonant tank to be excited to resonance.
3) Extra windings for extracting high current output.

EM

P.S.  If this doesn't work, then maybe we need another ring with 4 more coils for the generator function (just like the Thrapp generator) and then hook that up to the capacitors.  If that doesn't work either, then maybe the mystery is in the magnets and we need physical motion, or maybe I'm full of it and speculating in the wind  :)
Remember, the input power (the two phases) should also be high frequency, NOT your 60 Hz or 50 Hz grid power.   This is the whole point, to bypass the mechanical limitations of a motor and go for that high speed, however, it might be easier for people to experiment with motors since creating a 2phase circuit might be a bit beyond the skill level of most folks.  I haven't built one either, so I'll have to research a bit.

 

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