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Author Topic: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?  (Read 400932 times)

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2008, 11:15:06 PM »
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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2008, 12:12:25 AM »
I never watched this video untill today, and here's my comments.

1)  It looks interesting and if taken at face value, quite fantastic.  They claim a self running system working with the loop closed, so the "generator" feeds the motor that runs it.

2) The discussion about the capacitors is quite interesting and revealing.  He said in the video that they charge and discharge at 100 Hz or close to it.   The capacitors are for RESONANCE.  Isn't that interesting, resonance once again. He mentioned the need to TUNE, so the secret is not just the "generator", which by the way I have a feeling is nothing more than what we've seen already for some time (perendev, reluctance motors, adams motors, Bedini, etc...) just magnets on a rotor moving past coils.   The trick is resonance, anybody do that before?

3)  It's too bad inventions like these are tied to "Ministries" as they can put people off.

4)  He mentioned the fact that it took lots of years of experimentation (50 people or so) to perfect the device, which finds inspiration in the work of a number of scientists (Tesla, Moray, Stubblefield, Kelly, etc..)

I have a hunch this could be real guys, but beware, DON'T SEND MONEY to these guys.  It's so ridiculous , $100 /hour to talk?  How about making a better video first so all questions about hidden cables can be addressed.  And a public demonstration, etc..

Remember,  my comments are all based on the ASSUMPTION that what they say in the video is truthfull.  I'm giving them the benefit of doubt.   Innocent until proven guilty.

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2008, 02:25:32 AM »
Is anybody friendly with any Amish in Ohio {not easy to do for us 'english']  but could be worth the trip. I know an Amish fellow in P.A. but they don't use phones I will be traveling their in two weeks I.ll look him up Chet

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2008, 03:04:07 AM »
Note,  it's not easy to resonate at such low frequency, and you need a lot of capacitors for that, which is exactly what Tim has.

Here's a diagram to illustrate what I'm thinking so far.   We know that motor windings have inductance and can resonate separately to the generator (or motor) function they may provide.  Fluxes due to resonance and flux cutting are separate and each does it's thing.

So, imagine a motor that is tuned to resonate electromagnetically, as in LC resonance  where f = 1 / [sqrt(LC)*2*pi]  where the frequency also happens to be the rotational frequency as well.   With proper phasing,  we can drive current at the peak voltage, and hence "create" more power by the judicious use of the cycle.

I've always wondered if that was possible, this gives me hope that it might be possible.

EM
« Last Edit: March 06, 2008, 04:56:13 AM by EMdevices »

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2008, 03:42:11 AM »
Here's some frame grabs:

1)  Motor seems to have 4 poles

2)  Lots of capacitors, and we see what may be the inverter (small yellow/aluminum box)

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2008, 04:25:06 AM »
Ok, here's what I can deduce from the picture.  Seems to be a simple 4 pole winding, so it stands to reason that perhaps the rotor also has 4 magnets on it.

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2008, 04:33:36 AM »
Here's some frame grabs:

1)  Motor seems to have 4 poles

2)  Lots of capacitors, and we see what may be the inverter (small yellow/aluminum box)

EM

This  looks  alot  like  an idea that I  have been working on .

I would use  more than  4 poles  ......and  more  magnets than poles   ...... 


The  capacitor bank looks interesting 
They  look like motor start  caps to me ....I have a couple that look similar    they  are 5 MF  370V

I had  planned  on  making  each  coil  bifilar.
The idea was  to be able to switch one of the    windings on each pole out to   a load   depending  on  power requirements  and  other  things .   

It seems to me  that   if all   the    windings  could be switched independently   into a load  it  would be  great  for something like a  magnetic / electric  hybrid  car . 

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2008, 04:42:14 AM »
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I would use  more than  4 poles  ......and  more  magnets than poles   ...... 

I was thinking the same thing.   If we use more poles, the frequency will be higher at a given RPM, and we won't need so many capacitors (provided the inductance stays the same)   I'm not sure about using a different number of magnets than poles.  That might work though, in a system like I show in the first diagram with independent coils.   Then, in such a configuration, the more the better.

I know exactly what to try, I have my old motor right here  ready for some resonance.  I just need to scrounge up some capacitors.  I just can't wait to give resonance a chance  :)

EM

P.S.  This might have something to do with the TPU, the toroidal nature of the stator, rotational fields, resonance, etc..  At the core of it, the principles of energy generation might be the same.

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2008, 05:06:22 AM »
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I would use  more than  4 poles  ......and  more  magnets than poles   ...... 

I was thinking the same thing.   If we use more poles, the frequency will be higher at a given RPM, and we won't need so many capacitors (provided the inductance stays the same)   I'm not sure about using a different number of magnets than poles.  That might work though, in a system like I show in the first diagram with independent coils.   Then, in such a configuration, the more the better.

I know exactly what to try, I have my old motor right here  ready for some resonance.  I just need to scrounge up some capacitors.  I just can't wait to give resonance a chance  :)

EM

P.S.  This might have something to do with the TPU, the toroidal nature of the stator, rotational fields, resonance, etc..  At the core of it, the principles of energy generation might be the same.

Although   your  idea with the troridal  core  does look alot more like   the picture ,  My  plan was to use separate  solinoid  type coils . 
I  don't  thin that more  magnets would  work  with  the toroid  core.

What  ran through my mind   when I  saw your  drawing is that  it would be heavy  ......if that is the  way  the  motor in the picture was made I  would guess that it weighs  well  over 200 pounds..

What would be the advantages of using  one large  toroid  rather than lots of little  coils ?

can  the   toroid  be put into resonance  itself?

or into  a  magnetic   rotation  like in a TPU ?




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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2008, 05:48:16 AM »
very good questions gary,  I agree, there are better ways, and individual solenoids (coils) would be the way to go.  That's what I plan on doing as well.  The toroidal version like his seems to be too heavy.

also, I just saw the other video with the water heater, and I'm just totally amazed.   He worms up about 1.5 liters of water from 100 to 180 deg F, with a 9V battery that draws 0.18 Amps, or 180 miliAmps, so he draws only about 1.6 watts.  He credits resonance once again  (vibrational in this case, I believe)   Just amazing, and he talks about Kelly as being his inspiration.

I have to say, these videos sure gave me a boost today. 

EM

P.S.  Ok, here's what I'm going to try as soon as I can.  Very simple concept.  It's all about resonance.  We have to match the tank resonance with the speed frequency (taking into account the # of magnets, etc..)
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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2008, 06:44:26 AM »
 ;D 8) ;)


look familiar .........


hummmmm    how could it work .......  lol


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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2008, 07:53:09 AM »
EM

I have  thought for a long time that resonance is one of the major  keys  for unlocking  OU

I remember  Tesla  once said  if it wasn't for  resonance there would be nothing interesting about  electrical engineering



Your plan looks good to me ........ what about   adding a cap   to the red coil and making it  resonant  too ?


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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2008, 09:12:09 AM »
EM

I  have been thinking  about this  motor

It  does look like it  can't possably  work  .

It  is not actually  driven  by anything .   

It is  started  by  giving it a spin

If  you  spin  it fast enough to ring  it  into resonance  the  resonance  should take over.

The key  will be if the interaction  of the rotor  magnets and the  resonance are constructive or  destructive.

Other   attempts  at  OU motors  try to  capture  flyback  ..... WIth  this  motor if  the  interaction   is constructive  as I suspect it  is    ...,. ALL the  flyback  will be  captured  automaticly




If   the interaction   is found to be partly  constructive    some  pieces of  iron  might  be needed  to shape the  magnetic fields




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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2008, 03:16:27 PM »
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It is  started  by  giving it a spin..

hi gary,  are you describing another motor concept than what's in the video?   In the video he drives the generator with the motor, and I intend to do the same thing at first.   I just left off the motor from the drawings since I'm assuming its obvious.    But what you say is interesting.  I certainly hope to improve upon it and make it self running without a "motor" per say, but it will have the motor function incorporated into it, like the Adam/Bedini motors etc..    Right now the chalenge for me is to engineer the magnetic circuit so I get as high an inductance as possible, so I won't need a box full of capacitors.   I'm trying to push the envelope towards High RPM,  lots of poles, closed magnetic circuit with very small air gap.  I have a set of lightweight neos and that's what I want to use, it will probably be disc shaped.

It would be so awesome if at some RPM the thing started running itself, so I can disconect the motor, sort of like the rusian experimental testbed for the SEARL device. 

EM

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Re: "Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2008, 03:41:19 PM »
@EMdevices,

Here's what I did deduce from the picture.
Not sure if this setup will work or not.  :D

Groundloop.

 

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