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Title: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: titof on December 14, 2007, 08:19:16 PM
Hi OU friends ! :)

I tried to replicate

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/trmdiag.htm

not working for some reasons...  mechanic negative torque ...
I must tune  the magnet position...
But I wonder if Aluminium sheets Could be replaced by a better magnetic shielding ?

The problem is ... what kind of magnetic shielding?
It would be a better device to make without this problem ...

help !!! :-[
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor replication..... need some magnetic shielding !
Post by: titof on December 15, 2007, 03:33:03 PM
hey guys ! :-[
I just want to know what you think about it
not to shearch for me -

Has someone maked this type of   device  working ?

many thanks !
 ;D

Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor replication..... need some magnetic shielding !
Post by: Freezer on December 15, 2007, 05:00:10 PM
This guy uses copper somehow for magnetic shielding.  Might want to try a thick piece of copper, and maybe even some metals in between.

Scroll to 13:50

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8377251139652777219&q=free+electricity&total=2393&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Title: The ultimate magnetic shielding...
Post by: tao on December 15, 2007, 05:17:51 PM
You want magnetic shielding?!?

<engage: slight sarcasm mixed with potential truth>

Why not use a superconductor, the PERFECT magnetic shield...

Oh, whats wrong, can't find yourself a ROOM TEMPERATURE superconductor?

Why not look in in sea salt, or water? 'What', you say???

An apparently 'UNTESTED FOR FREE ENERGY devices' room temperature superconductive element.... ORMEs...

Have a look-see: http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/hudson.htm


"Researchers working with large magnetic fields discovered in the 1960's that metals when induced into a high spin state (using energies of approximately 540,000 gauss) were capable of passing energy from one high spin atom to the next with no net loss of energy! This was the discovery of superconductivity.

Superconductivity allows the conduction of energy through a resonance phenomenon. Unlike electrical conduction, energy can be passed from one superconductor to another with contact, without resistance and, therefore, with no net loss of energy.

To create superconductivity in a potential superconductor, an external magnetic field must be applied to get the system going. Once the flow of energy is set in motion, however, it is only necessary to keep the conditions correct so that the material remains superconductive. (Note: When it takes more energy to create a magnetic field to keep the atoms in the high spin low energy state than it would take to push electricity down a good conductor, the process is self defeating.)

Atoms could now be induced into a high spin state of low energy and be kept in that state without continuous applied energy boosts. The system currently in use, to induce atoms into a high spin state of low energy, is refrigeration combined with extremely high magnetic fields of approximately 540,000 gauss. The system now in use, to keep the atoms in the high spin state, is refrigeration to near absolute zero. All of this is an elaborate and expensive process."



"David Hudson discovered that the monoatomic state can exist naturally and remain in a stable state in the transitional group elements. (ORME) He also discovered that in this state, the atoms can join to become a many atom resonance coupled system of quantum oscillators, resonating in two dimensions, indeed perfect superconductors, at room temperature. (S-ORME)

Hudson discovered that the precious elements, in the group of transitional elements, could be found in a monoatomic form in certain ores and that by a chemical method, he could separate them out from these ores. The high spin low energy state is stable and naturally maintained. it needs no external manmade manipulation. The internal temperature of the atom is measured to be almost zero degrees Kelvin .(approximately three degrees). This is a naturally cold state. It is, in fact, a perfect superconductor. "


What the matter, never heard of ORMEs before? Heard of ORMEs but never saw how they were superconductive? Don't believe they are/can be room temperature superconductors???

Need some evidence???

Watch this attached video......................

More later, as always.......

 ;D
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor replication..... need some magnetic shielding !
Post by: titof on December 15, 2007, 08:15:23 PM
wow!  great video !   my mind is now on !
wow!
wowowowowow!
i tried to let a magnet fall in a copper pipe !
amazing !

this will be a working device soon for me!    yahooooo!

muchas gracias !
merci beaucoup !
an infinity of thanks guys !
I will show results if it works !
 ;D :P

Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor replication..... need some magnetic shielding !
Post by: titof on December 15, 2007, 08:24:09 PM
thank you tao !
interesting !
but for me ...
I need a simple solution to my problem, and copper shielding is !
FREEZER have given me the right way and the easiest for my 50$ F E motor !

best regards

titof ;D


Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! now solved !!!!
Post by: Freezer on December 16, 2007, 08:19:31 PM
Don't get too excited.  :D  Remember he could have some other metal in that demonstration piece.  I think the primary is pure copper, and just maybe copper alone, but it could hold some other metal between the magnet and copper.  He says the reason its in-cased in epoxy is that they don't want people seeing how it works, so who knows if there's some addition metal pieces.  I think the copper will have to be thick enough.  Thick pieces copper seem to be very expensive, but it should have interesting effects none the less.
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! now solved !!!!
Post by: titof on December 16, 2007, 10:18:29 PM
yeah ... freezer .
you're maybe right.
I did some tryings:

I let falling a group of 5 little neodyme(15mm*15mm*5mm) magnets in a coper pipe (30mm* 1mm* 1000mm)
THE SAME EFFECT ! ??? ;D
It fall in the pipe in 6 or 7 seconds !!!
I did the same in a aluminium pipe (38mm*3mm**1000mm)
THE SAME EFFECT ! but a little faster!
I then tried the copper pipe in the bigger al pipe :  8 or 9 second

REALLY AMAZING :o
the copper stop the magnetic movement  as in the video

I then hammered 6 pieces of 60mm long of 30mm-copper pipe to make a thick piece and I tried
to make same experience with a magnet and a piece of steel( a screw)
the srew falls !  no lies !

the aluminium is less efficient for that effect!

REALLY interesting!

but ...but... a thick piece of copper between 2 magnets ...
There is however a little attraction .hmmm
good!....
good start !
A "one block" thick piece of copper will be surely more efficient.
hard to find... no... we can ! but very expensive!

I must try

One thing I wonder:

Is it possible to make a motor with a steel rotor ,   copper blockers and magnets ... And geniously time the repusling effect
MY HEAD MAKES SMOKE!   but I'm sure it's possible


to be continued ! :P
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thaelin on December 18, 2007, 05:58:58 PM
   Here is a bit to ponder for you. The pipe will delay the fall of the magnets. If you put a piece of copper sheet near a rotor of an open motor, it will slow it down. So, use pieces of copper sheet a bit wider than the magnets for the shield. You may have to spin the rotor up but it will then invoke eddy currents in the sheets and thus cause turbulance in the magnetic pattern. Just not sure what polarity it will become. It will at first be oposed to the passing.
   Now I have to go and try it. Darn.....

thaelin
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: titof on December 18, 2007, 06:15:48 PM
it is also in the video ...
copper opposite a resistance when you shake a magnet in front ...
but why did he present this in the video ?

Maybe the blocker must have a special shape ...  triangle? ...
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Freezer on December 18, 2007, 10:36:42 PM
it is also in the video ...
copper opposite a resistance when you shake a magnet in front ...
but why did he present this in the video ?

Maybe the blocker must have a special shape ...  triangle? ...

He's showing a little bit of the principle of his motor.  He first shows the rotating piece of metal which sticks when it comes within the field of the magnet.  Then he shows how to block the field.  So basically you have metal rotor being attracted, then when it comes close to the magnet, its field is blocked to not stick.  It would be a metal rotor so no drag would be created by the copper.  All this would have to be made with precision to work.  I think the way they use it, is as a flywheel pushing a generator, so theirs might not turn itself, but add more torque to turn a generator and gather more energy.  He says 5:1, but who knows.
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: vince on December 18, 2007, 11:31:37 PM
Hi Titof;

I made my own version of the nelson camus reed motor several years ago.  I used aluminum shielding as the original instructions called for but I had absolutely no luck getting it to spin more that a few revolutions. My motor was made out of aluminum  and steel as you can see in the photos and I had full adjustments to all parameters including spacing, angle,and position for both the magnets and the shielding.  I must have tried every different position available but could not get any results.  I had totally forgotten about it until I saw your posting.  Perhaps I will try different shielding material if you guys get any results with your efforts.

Good Luck
Vince
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: karl on December 19, 2007, 11:02:17 AM
Vince,
are there many armatures made of metal?
Too many?
I think we have to use metal only in the region where it should act.
A whole dielectric structure with only the blockers made of an electric conductive material.
Maybe also magnets out of an ceramic type material.
The right rpm should be the second factor to be resolved.
Only at a speed which induces the right ammount of local current to the structure, this was also a problem described by J.L.Naudin in that years.
Stay tuned
Anton 
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: titof on December 19, 2007, 01:13:46 PM
happy to see your work vince ::)

Now we 've got the problem to find the right thick of blockers , the right surface size of it , and the right positon of blockers between each facing couple of magnet

see the video  on this post
we must reflect a little .
magnet + copper = no steel attract
can we insert any piece of steel in the device ?  maybe a right way ...

I think no other pieces of steel could be insert like screws ... no magnetic parasite  needed !

this device should logically work :
we must geniousely shield the magnets with other materials

nelson camus had succes ? was he lying ? I don't believe it

realize ! we have a simple device which can be a 50 $ or ? one ? every size is possible  ...
I dont speak about power and RPM ... It adjustable with blocker positionning !
we can tune an ac voltage as we need !

PLEASE ALL !

LET S REFLECT TOGETHER !
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: titof on December 19, 2007, 06:43:10 PM
I don't remember where I was reading this ..
but a type of magnetic shielding could be a mix of gypse and iron powder !!??!!
Maybe the copper blocker must have a special shape ...
ARE THERE ANY MATERIAL which eat magnetic field ?
to use the inverse polarity of this field could be a solution .. but hard to realize ...
maybe with electro-magnets ... It 's out of that we want !...
We want only a magnet-motor , no ? ...
 :-\
I wonder ..
Is there a type of cristal which reacts with magnetic fields ...like piezo's ..

Maybe it's a better way to work on perendev-like motor

Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Freezer on December 19, 2007, 08:08:21 PM
Might try what this guy did.  I wonder if the lens shape changes it, or if its just the metal property.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uI8yJA0G2k

I still think a real thick piece of copper will be the best hope for a shield. I'm trying to find small thick pieces but most stores only sell large pieces.  This is the closest I've found but it needs to be like 2 or 3 times thicker.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2410/exp-03/50x50mm_Copper_Cold_Plate.html?tl=g30c105s188
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: titof on December 19, 2007, 08:25:47 PM
maybe make  a two layers blocker ...  copper and aluminium ? :)
with good thickness !
hmmm... Can we stop electrical react in the copper blocker ? so the magnet should not slow to rotate..
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Honk on December 19, 2007, 08:40:19 PM
hmmm... Can we stop electrical react in the copper blocker ? so the magnet should not slow to rotate..

If you stopped the eddy currents induced into the copper shield then it wouldn't act as a shield anymore....
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: titof on December 19, 2007, 10:18:07 PM
thanks honk
here's some ideas
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 03, 2012, 03:36:52 PM
Hello ewerybody whats up people, good and strange news, i'l tried 5 years ago to make camus reed motor to and i have lottoff pictures but then its not workin because my fold, now in 2012 i started up new studing with this stuff because i have Neodym magnets N45 and it have to done some good stuff with this, AND what i discowered tha its working with ATTRACTION not repelling its mean S to N  or N to S and it have to be shielded by metal tape around it and they have to be with angle.  Its not english but you see whats happening, shielding material is toroidial transformer metal tape i used it for shielding.
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 03, 2012, 09:54:51 PM
Todays experiment with half moon shielding.
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 03, 2012, 10:03:23 PM
Videos too :)
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 03, 2012, 10:38:17 PM
Need more..:)
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 03, 2012, 10:44:07 PM
more...:)
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 04, 2012, 11:13:36 AM
The best results i get with half shielding not fully shielding like when i made begin, and pictures on best setup for now is here... still continue building full system together, i'l hope thet thi will be helpful information.
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 05, 2012, 01:10:03 PM
Few experiments more when i testing the shieldings material and angles....:)
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on July 06, 2012, 09:52:25 AM
To fight a strong powerful thing is to use its power by itself.  ???
To fight a venom then we have to use anti venom that is a venom also  :o
To tie all of the flux of a big magnet then use a small magnet right?  >:(


Then i think you can try a magnetic tape to solve the problem, off course a balancing technique still needed.    ;) 
That's why if you're not in your body , your body cannot stand alone, why sense of balance really important? ::)


Thousands and millions starts from 0 and it begins from 1.  ??? 
Very big fire starts from small fire,  and small fire starts from smoke.
                     and by the use of some chemicals or gasoline, we can make tremendously fast to grow. :o
An avalanze can start from a very small rolling ice stone 

And from there i conclude that free energy is real  ;)


oh boy i'm having trouble with colesterol, i forgot experimenting and i focus on eating since the death of my mother  :'(
Therefore again i conclude that accumulating energy is possible cause accumulating colesterol is really happening. hahahahahahhaha ;D 


Why the quick brown fox can jump, why he can't if slow? ???


WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE WORLD!!!!! :-\  WHY THERE IS CYCLE?
WHY THE EARTH KEEPS ON ROTATING AND REVOLVING, IS THAT AN ACCIDENT?
CLIMATE CHANGE?, SOMETHING HAPPEN TO THE SUN, IT IS IN ITS OLD STAGE  8)
WHY THE DESIGN OF A SMALLEST PARTICLE IS THE SAME AS THE UNIVERSE?  >:( 
WHY IF YOU MAKE YOUR HEAD ROTATE AND SUDDEN STOP THE SURROUNDINGS STILL ROTATING  :D , IS THAT FREE ENERGY? HAHAHAHAHHAHA


OH BOY I'M OUT OF MY MIND  ;)  OR I'M INSIDE OF MY MIND :o

I APPRECIATE SOME GOOD AND BAD COMMENTS THANK YOU;)

 ;D  otits L. Noicaro  ;D
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 06, 2012, 10:37:44 AM
Hi Tito

Are you experimenting something else too besides poetry,  try make magnetic or gravitational drive, and share to people for free, because good things in life have to be free... :)

The Thing :)
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on July 06, 2012, 10:56:40 AM
Hi Thing


THAT IS WHAT YOU CALL RELATIVITY OF EVERYTHING.


AND I BUTINGTING EVERYTHING  :D
 
What do you thing of me? thinking of you? joke  :D


EVERYTHING COMES FROM THING AND YOU ARE THING THEREFORE YOU ARE EVERYTHING .  >:(  GOT THAT THING? HAHAHAHHHAHHAHHAH
AND THATS NOTHING. ;)


OTING  ;D
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 06, 2012, 04:39:42 PM
Hi Tito
Are you born in this planet or maybe from Pluto ...:)Where your home, who you service and where you go.
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 06, 2012, 05:02:40 PM
Jee watch this and you know ewerything about me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k85mRPqvMbE
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on July 07, 2012, 04:14:24 AM
Wow!!! that's beautiful buddy.  ;)




here is me => [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5q_bZqlpzM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5q_bZqlpzM)[/size]
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Magluvin on July 07, 2012, 04:43:07 AM
And this is me.  ;]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM3jzlyNIpc

MaGs  :o
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 07, 2012, 10:44:44 AM
Hi i was tested with ferrite rings it too but iron tape is better, here is fiew pictuures .:)
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 07, 2012, 11:57:57 AM
Jeee i was wrong its better than else so far, i mean ferrite ring and half moon in the rotor, its too big to uload here so you can downloded it here. just bushhh the buttooon  ;D ;D ;D :o 8)

http://www.upload.ee/files/2491657/07072012358.mp4.html
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Magluvin on July 07, 2012, 08:00:28 PM
Hey Thing

Nice vid. ;]

Will that rig work if turned on its side? Just to show that there truly isnt any imbalance on that rotor. It is a tiny, weeny bit off balance. Turned on its side would eliminate that factor, at the speed of your tests here.

So is that a shield on the rotor mag, and a nut? Or just nuts?  ;] 

Also, you do have a shield around the perimeter of the stationary mag also? If so, the stationary plate you are anchoring the magnet to, is it necessary that the plate be magnetic, or is it the shielding alone and the mounting plate can be, say plastic?

Thanks for showing this. Looks good.  I gotta run out for a bit, but I will try some things later today. 

Mags
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 07, 2012, 09:12:02 PM
Hi Mag
What you mean *Turned on its side would ...* i dont understand so mutsh english, littlebit explain pleas,  in the rotor i have both side half moon shielding thats means half magnet is shielded half is not , nuts i putted because imbalance, to get rotor bTurned on its side would alanced,  so it not balanced well as you see when i took stator magnet away with ferrite ring, as you can see that side of rotor where is ferrite ring is littlebit heavier than other side with half moon shieldings and nuts :) thats mean if i get better balancing of rotor then pulling force is more better than now. Yes i tried without metal plate in stator an as i remember right then reaction was not so good, my goal is the tuned that setup so far that i get minimum counter pulling for the rotor and maximum out pulling when its moving near stator, then i want to made 3+3 stator rings with ferrite rings and in rotor i let it be the half moon shieldings with metal tape, then its have to start rotating continusly, ... :)
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Magluvin on July 07, 2012, 11:13:45 PM
Hey Thing

Sorry.  What Im saying is, turn the whole setup 90 degrees so the rotor turns like a record player. Like a roulette wheel. ;] Like a compass.  Instead of like a clock, or the wheel of a bicycle.

This way gravity wont have an affect on the imbalance if the rotor shaft(axle) is perfectly verticle. If instead, your rotor was a nice balanced wheel, using some nice ball bearings from a hobby shop(RC car section has a nice assortment), your wheel can spin very easily, and have less stopping resistance for the magnets to work against. Losses.

Also, once your rotor spins balanced and freely, the impulse that I see in your vid , you may only need 2 rotor magnets with the 1 stationary magnet to keep it going.

Here is a vid I did on decreasing resistance in ball bearing assemblies. ;]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSTfFIetYPY

I have 2 vids after that showing a run down of a rotor from 1200 rpms down to a stop. Took over 14min.  The last few min, it seems like it will never end.  ;]
Just some ideas for you. Once you have a nice rotor to work with also with some added weight, to act a a flywheel, things should roll smoothly. ;]

So are you saying that the nut is not part of the shielding, and it is only a weight to balance the rotor?

Mags
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: NerzhDishual on July 08, 2012, 01:59:43 AM
Hi Experimenters,

An half baked (and not yet tested) idea about magnetic motors.

I played with magnetic motors.

With a good bearing (out of, for example, an old VCR (Video Cassette Recording))
a sufficient balanced -with sufficient inertial- wheel, few ideas and a bunch of neo magnets
(BTW), you should (as I was) be able to build a "thing" that seems to crave/desire to self run...

Unfortunately#1 you will experiment this nasty "sticking point" (conservative force).
Yes, you can  overcome it by slightly hand moving your "stator magnet".
If you are "rhythmical" enough in your hand pushes you will see that you rotor
speed is increasing. But this ain't no job.
You have just invented any hand driven Perpetual Motion device. :P
Please consult the attached tiny vid about the first Minato device.
Can you see the Minato's hand pushes?

Fortunately#1 you can replace this hand push by any -just in time- electrically pulsed
kinda electro magnet.

Unfortunately#2 you will experiment this nasty "Lenz Law" which is another version
of Newton Third law (Action Vs Reaction, bla bla).

Fortunately#2 some experiments seems to show that this Lenz Law could be
"avoided" just by using another 'Law' (something like: in a toroidal coil the magnetic
field is confined in the tore). I'm not a Scientist.
You can consult: http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm)

When the "Output" does not 'interfere' with the Input. This is a "clue" of OU.
Just a clue.

Gwella gourhemennou a-berz
Yann
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 08, 2012, 10:53:34 AM
Hi Mags

Now i understand and soon i will test it with 90* and put the vid here, this was good choice of graphite lube, i was looking something for this problem, i used in my setup little bearings you see them in next vid but they are  not the best.
I used nuts because they was in the my table and that was easy choice to balanced the rotor, but they are still magnetically influences with magnet, it means that they still shielding too but that was not what i m wanted this is just happening unfortunately or fortunately :) i think thats was cool an i'm happy for that result, because it gets hope to run this thing :) no matter what elses think, let them peck the nose forwards :)

Thing
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 08, 2012, 12:18:32 PM
Hi Mags

Yes this was worse, but i'm still happy :) my bearings are bad and dont want to work good on this position, i lubricated the to(not graphite)but still rolling badly, but no problem research keep going.  But its better than in the pictures of camus motor.

http://www.upload.ee/files/2493966/08072012360.mp4.html

Thing
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 08, 2012, 01:48:36 PM
Here is pictures of 5 ears ago camus nelson replika, littlebit wrong.. :)

Thing
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 08, 2012, 01:52:28 PM
more .:)
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Magluvin on July 08, 2012, 11:08:02 PM
Hi Mags

Yes this was worse, but i'm still happy :) my bearings are bad and dont want to work good on this position, i lubricated the to(not graphite)but still rolling badly, but no problem research keep going.  But its better than in the pictures of camus motor.

http://www.upload.ee/files/2493966/08072012360.mp4.html (http://www.upload.ee/files/2493966/08072012360.mp4.html)

Thing

Hey Thing

Those bearings seem to be fine.  For me, it is the grease inside that I like to get rid of, as it is a bit sticky and slows the wheels down too much.

In your vids, are you using different magnets on each end of the rotor? Looks like one is smaller than the other.

Keep up the good work.  ;]

Mags
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Thing on July 09, 2012, 07:58:17 AM
Hi Mags

Ok i modifayng bearings this is good idea, no my magnets are all the same 25mm x 6mm  strong N45, but shieldings are different modifications, to find out and get best results.

Thing
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: catdog71 on August 23, 2012, 05:53:59 AM
Simple magnetic motor that is so close to working
Simple magnetic motor that is so close to working
Simple magnetic motor that is so close to working

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj_A06WjlbU
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor replication..... need some magnetic shielding !
Post by: Spirality on August 24, 2012, 12:06:07 PM
thank you tao !
interesting !
but for me ...
I need a simple solution to my problem, and copper shielding is !
FREEZER have given me the right way and the easiest for my 50$ F E motor !

best regards

titof ;D

Somebody posted this link in a recent thread about shielding, I couldn't understand anything of the information on the product/material's effectiveness. http://magnetic-shield.com

I thought I heard a long time ago that copper shielding, like the magnet-down-a-pipe braking effect, was where the Magnet's movement was interacting with the copper pipe as a closed (electrical) circuit; a loop or ring of copper. Lenz's Law.

It might be interesting to experiment briefly and see if its true. I don't have any copper on me right now, but I would join in :)
Perhaps try cutting a few different lengths of copper pipe and bend/hammer them into more manageable flat shapes to try as blockers?

Also, looking at photos of Thing's rotor, I have some ideas...
A copper pipe slows down the flow of magnetism so why not fix the magnets inside copper elbows on each end of the rotor? They are cheap enough at a plumbing supply shop. They come in different sizes and possibly angles like 45o and 90o. You could use elbows for each magnet.
You could orientate the elbows (or pipes) as you want them using shims to stiffen the pvc connection. (anything to help wedge the pvc pipe and copper elbows together, such as a roll of paper or foil)

To carry on the idea, you could replace the pvc rotor with a length of copper pipe with suitable copper end pieces, fixed onto the axle/bearings somehow. If I had that motor on my bench, that is what I would try next, thick copper elbows.

Wooden dowels may be used as spacers inside the rotor to keep the magnets apart, also maybe put magnet in blutack or putty to help it stay in.

A good balance is best for running any rotor. Using existing bearings are a good idea too, as NerzhDishual suggested, and vertical axis is more stable I think.
Use a flywheel, it will provide useable turning power as momentum increases.
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor replication..... need some magnetic shielding !
Post by: Spirality on August 28, 2012, 09:09:02 AM
... A copper pipe slows down the flow of magnetism so why not fix the magnets inside copper elbows on each end of the rotor? ...
[or]
 ... you could replace the pvc rotor with a length of copper pipe with suitable copper end pieces, fixed onto the axle/bearings somehow.

Well, I played about with some magnets and copper pipe in my local DIY shop and am sorry to say, the magnets still interact with each other through the copper.
so much for that idea.
I know iron and steel can divert the flux, but they are far from ideal.

I will keep testing different materials as I encounter them, there is magnetic shielding out there somewhere !!

The ancient artifact about 1/4 down the linked page has magnetic shielding....
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/esp_ciencia_life48.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/esp_ciencia_life48.htm)

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And on the big cup you can see a perfect inlaid star constellation also showing the Orion and other stars. And inside the big cup it is very, very magnetic and outside the cup nearly nothing.

Professional geologists are saying this is impossible because if a stone has metal particles inside the stone, it must be same magnetic from both sides.
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: wizkycho on August 28, 2012, 11:39:17 AM
Hi all !
I see there are lot's of good experimenters
but what you are trying to replicate is overstreched
and has very high sensitivity in order to work.
it is overhard to replicate
allso energy output is low
If you want something that works
  I suggest you turn to, with no false modesty, FDM by Igor Knitel
I'm experimenter in these waters for a long time and this is the most powerfull FE device I have seen
(MAHG from JNAUDIN is very good device but little complicated to make)
 
all the best
Igor Knitel
Perihelion Labs
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Spirality on August 28, 2012, 03:45:08 PM
.... If you want something that works
  I suggest you turn to, with no false modesty, FDM by Igor Knitel
....
Can you make a link please Igor? Any search I do only gives one result, that is your comment here.
thanks
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: wizkycho on August 28, 2012, 06:11:10 PM
FDM is brand new design, knowone has proposed such simple yet powerfull arrangement of magnets
I'm overconvinced by experiments (underlinks) that I have made and other true OU researchers
that it is powerfull, it is very duable (no heavy adjustments), and it is real thing, no tricks here
everything about FDM is exact no maybeies
http://www.overunity.com/12632/fdm-flux-displacer-motor-by-igor-knitel-perihelion-labs/msg333802/#msg333802 (http://www.overunity.com/12632/fdm-flux-displacer-motor-by-igor-knitel-perihelion-labs/msg333802/#msg333802)
 
wiz
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: Spirality on September 02, 2012, 07:47:53 AM
As the thickness of a nearby steel plate increases, so does the "absorption" of the magnetism, and the magnetic effect is "steered" towards it.
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=shielding-materials (http://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=shielding-materials)

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What material will work?
The short answer is: Any ferromagnetic metal. That is, anything containing iron, nickel or cobalt. Most steels are ferromagnetic metals, and work well for a redirecting shield....
....there are some specialized materials specifically made for magnetic shielding. The foremost of these is MuMetal, an industry reference material defined in Milspec 14411C [linked on page].
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: superhero on March 17, 2014, 11:55:14 PM
Have anyone ever studied the effects of lenses on the magnetic fiel
Title: Re: nelson camus' reed motor ..... need magnetic shielding ! to be solved !
Post by: superhero on July 05, 2014, 02:48:41 AM
Simple magnetic motor that is so close to working
Simple magnetic motor that is so close to working
Simple magnetic motor that is so close to working

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj_A06WjlbU
Omg please check this video.  The best magnetic shielding is spin.  This video shows 55lbs magnet losing its attraction to a steel disk due to spin. Enjoy
Also Watch "The best magnetic shielding is spin" on YouTube
The best magnetic shielding is spin:http://youtu.be/8C6uyQ0bct4