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Author Topic: Bedini replication in Germany  (Read 81028 times)

Offline albert

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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2007, 03:04:27 PM »
Hello friends,

I would like to mention an amazing site with scans of old electricity books. I am trying to go back to the source to get a better understanding of what we are dealing with in the Bedini and other motors.

http://www.archive.org/details/americana

If you put in a search for "induction coils" or "wireless" you will find old books on electromagnetic induction, the famous R?hmkorff coil and the like. Lots of drawings and great information to find there. Perfect scans, and you can look thru the books before downloading them when you click on the preview on the left side of the page.

My own interest in this field of high voltages started when my father bought a "medical" device in the 70s that turned out to be a Tesla transformer. I was greatly intrigued by the effect of lamps lighting in my hands and so on.

In 1992 I had the chance of a lifetime to find an ORIGINAL R?hmkorff machine on a flea market in Bordeaux, France. The machine looks exactly like the R?hmkorff Conrad roentgen used when he discovered the x rays. We have it here at the "DEUTSCHES MUSEUM" in Munich. The device still works but I use it only rarely because it is in  rather delicate shape. Paid 250 French Francs for it, about 70 to 80 dollars of today. the guys did not know what the thing was.

So this is why I always try to put myself into the mind of an engineer at Tesla's time. No semiconductors, no diodes, no vacuum tubes. Only spark induction machines, batteries very different from todays elements and eventually dynamo generators for the higher power.
When all the transistors were shorted once on my Bedini, I ran it with a mechanical interruptor made from two vibrating saw blades. It works just as well but most of  the radiant went up into the spark of the interruptor.
when I got back my new transistors I gave up on the mechanical switch because it produces lots of RF noise. But its an interesting thing to try.

Albert

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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2007, 03:04:27 PM »

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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2007, 06:17:57 PM »
Hello Ren,

I had to get the other isssue out of the way first, so now I'll try to answer your question.
Charging several bats with one 12 V/7aH bat in front does not work with my setup because I will exceed the c/20 discharge rate of the battery. At 12 Volts the system will draw up to 500 mA when I run it at its usual speed of 200 rpm.
By the way: Do you think the "sweet spot" is only when there is one pulse per magnet? I get anything from 3 to 10-15 pulses per magnet, depending on the voltage at the input. The scope shot shows the trigger signal with the pot turned back.
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BTW are you in Australia, too? I think Australia is Joe Cell country. I would really see one of these things working....

Albert

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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2007, 06:55:41 PM »
   Off topic but just have to ask. What is a VB? Suspect its a beer right? I thought you mates drank Fosters. I like Wild Turkey 101proof chassed with a budwieser. Thats if I really want to tank it on.

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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2007, 06:55:41 PM »
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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2007, 12:54:06 AM »
@Thaelin,

VB or Victoria Bitter is a beer made by Carlton United Breweries, the makers of Fosters.

No-one drinks Fosters anymore in Australia, they make it now only for export. VB is better but doesn't travel as well.

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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2007, 06:57:53 AM »
VB is probably the worst beer sold here in Australia. As hans said, Fosters is only for export - nobody drinks it. Most places don't even sell it.

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Offline albert

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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2007, 11:26:28 AM »
OK now I know what beer to drink when I go to Australia one day....perhaps you can come to Bavaria, our country is BEER HEAVEN!

albert ;D

PS: P'raps we could go back to Beardini now???

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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2007, 02:47:07 PM »
   OK OK, back to my budweiser oh I mean bedini.  ;D

   Here is a tid bit just handed up by otto, PCM or pulsed current multiplier. Just the reverse of the voltage tripler type of circuit.
I have had to use transformers to to that with and they dont like bedini systems. That should be much better and not so hard
on the battery in the long run for charging quality. Will see

thaelin

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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2007, 02:54:54 PM »
OK now I know what beer to drink when I go to Australia one day....perhaps you can come to Bavaria, our country is BEER HEAVEN!

Hallo albert,

Du m?sstest aber noch erw?hnen, dass es bald ein rauchfreier Bierhimmel sein wird  :D

albert, k?nntest Du nicht einen deutschsprachigen Thread aufmachen?
Es gibt doch schon so viele englischsprachige Bediniseiten.
Da w?re es schon toll, wenn Du deine Erfahrungen auch in deutscher Sprache r?berbringen k?nntest.
Da sind Dir bestimmt viele Leute dankbar.

Danke
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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2007, 04:23:49 PM »
Hallo woidbam,

ich mach gern einen deutschsprachigen thread auf, aber der manchmal recht grobe Umgangston und die bl?den pers?nlichen Streitereien im deutschen forum gehen mir auf die Nerven. Die englischen threads scheinen mir sachlicher zu sein, wenns nicht gerade ums Bier geht....

(translation for english speaking guys: someone asked me to open up the same thread in german. I agreed but said the sometimes rude manners and fighting in the german threads turn me off. english spoken threads seem to be more neutral, if they are not discussing beer...)
« Last Edit: December 19, 2007, 07:39:38 PM by albert »

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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2007, 01:23:44 PM »
Aluminium rotor with slots for magnets.....

signing off for the holidays, I want to wish all of you a merry Christmas!

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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2007, 04:37:58 PM »
Aluminium rotor with slots for magnets.....

signing off for the holidays, I want to wish all of you a merry Christmas!

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Nice Holydays for you and everybody else as well

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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2007, 09:32:37 PM »
Nice rotor albert, make sure that support pillar isnt aluminum though. Its got to have a  bit of weight in it huh?

I am a bit dissapointed with my trifilar litzed coil performance. It is taking forever to charge my 7 amp hour batts. For comparison I have wired up a much smaller bifilar coil, about a quarter of the size in turns and I made a rotor from a harddrive with some tiny magnets. It draws a little more than expected around 190ma, but it is charging up 10 times faster than my trifilar. I am wondering if I should not have litzed my trifilar, either that or the magnets are too powerful/big or mismatched to my core size. Its a bit of a shame because wire that length is few and far between for me, I might just stick to straight winds on my next coil and try a larger size core.

My tiny motor rose a 12v 7amp hour from  12.30 to 12.50 in about half an hour, the trifilar only went up .04 volts.

sigh....

Merry xmas everyone, vb's all round, Or bundy rums(sorry albert couldnt resist :) )
« Last Edit: January 02, 2008, 04:50:37 AM by Ren »

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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2008, 04:49:42 AM »
some pics of recent replications guys. I figured out the fwbr to cap to scr circuit and implemented it on the window motor. Charges quite well. The other one is a work in progress. I had to wire two coils in series, I couldnt keep the magnets on the rotor with all 3 coils firing as slaves. Jet speeds! :o ;D.

Interesting to see the charging rates on the CORELESS quad coil. Charging was quite fast in conparison to my single large coil. Amp draw is around 500ma once up to speed, but it charged much faster. Discharged 7 amp hour battery settled overnight to 12.20v was up to 12.60 in 45 minutes. Speedie is still under construction.

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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2008, 02:10:19 PM »
Nice pics. :)
What exact Bedini setup is this? I mean, obviously the basic idea is the same in all, but he has mentioned several different variations on the theme...
Are you using the 555 timer circuit? Apparently a neon bulb will work just as well, according to Bedini...

But if Bedini's statements are correct, you should not only be able to charge the batteries in this way, but you should also be able to use the motor to produce output... Is this the case?

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Re: Bedini replication in Germany
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2008, 10:11:27 PM »
the first one is a quad coil with both coils connected @ 90 degree in series. They all fire off the master trigger. Its coreless with small neos on the hdd disc, nsnsnsns. I had each coil setup to fire but the speeds I got were incredible, and I just couldnt keep the magnets on the rotor, even with them wrapped in copper wire! So for safety sake I downgraded it. It uses Bedinis simple sg circuit, although its not finished and I might end up changing it a little.

The window motor now looks like this as I added a second window. The second window is made from alot thicker wire salvaged from a microwave transformer. It draws 190ma on the first winding and charges fairly slow. Amp draw jumps up to 1 amp when the second coils is on but charging rate significantly increases. I have been battery swapping back and forth quite efficiently now. It uses ssg circuit variation as seen on this page,  http://www.fight-4-truth.com/Schematics.html number 1a. The only difference is each coil has that circuit and each coil goes to a separate bridge. Voltage at the cap can go as high as 14v.

Perhaps you could run something directly off it? Its primary task I think however is to transfer power from one battery to another, powering a load in the process

 

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