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Title: Free Electricity...from Thin Air
Post by: FreeEnergy on December 02, 2007, 12:31:16 PM
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/915226/free_electricity_from_thin_air/
Title: Re: Free Electricity...from Thin Air
Post by: hansvonlieven on December 02, 2007, 07:59:44 PM
G'day all,

This is a Tate arrangement. Here is the diagram from the patent:

(http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/revised.gif)

here is a quick rundown (copied from the net)

Hans von Lieven



Tate Power from the air

    Tate Ambient Power Module. Joseph Tate Last Known Address 760 Waldo Point Sausalito Ca (4965) 415 331 8150 332 9918 U.S. Patent 4,628,299

    This design converts radio frequency energy to power that can be usefully applied in power devices such as clocks,radios and smoke detectors.

    This design makes use of a doubler, splitter and rectifier.

    The device has been known to give 36 volt/9 watts.

    This devices does away for the need for batteries by extracting energy from natural and man made radio waves.

    THe device uses a coil made of the following design 479 turns of #22 wire on a 3" plastic tube, the coil should be loosely wound as a close wound coil tends to reduce power collection. One end should be connected to unit at antenna connection point and the other to an antenna of your choice .

    Other coil types could be used in your experiments such as sliding induction coils that is inside one another and find the best position by moving them in different positions.

    Other coil types can be found by referencing any good book on radio fundamentals. Check out the Telsa type coils as well.

    Power could be also enhanced by placing a tin foil pyramid under the coil as this seems to also improve power.

    The power produced also seems to improve near bridges,ships and any thing containing a great deal of metal.

    A high antenna wire seems to improve the running of unit although a 7 foot whip antenna worked reasonably well too.

    A interesting side line is the inventor claims to be able to detect earthquakes by the rise and fall of energy levels.
Title: Re: Free Electricity...from Thin Air
Post by: gaby de wilde on December 02, 2007, 08:04:26 PM
I built this circuit this morning.  At first it started to run up the caps a "little" when I added a couple spools of magnet wires.

I also built the one with many diodes a couple years ago.

Same results with both.  No real power out at all.  Maybe he lives near a radio station or cell tower.  But I get nothing with the 350 pine trees surrounding my house. 

When I did the other board years ago (which I still have), I ran a 200 foot wire and
suspended it via fishing line from the trees about 12+ feet in the air.  Still had no major voltage or current.

You can build it if you like, but this is what I came up with (twice now).  Also, I did not have the exact germanium diode he used.  I had four 1N277 diodes.


I attach the pdf for the 1N277 and the 1N34 I'm no expert but it looks quite different?

I've made a blog post here.
Free Electricity...from Thin Air (http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress?p=6818)
Title: Re: Free Electricity...from Thin Air
Post by: hansvonlieven on December 02, 2007, 09:02:59 PM
Another reference from the net. This guy loks like a serious experimenter.  Good data.

Hans von Lieven



(http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/revised2.jpg)

and from another experimenter

    Hey thanks for improving the information on the Ambient power module you have at your site.

    Remember I e-mailed to you recently about the capacitor values missing.

    That extra info is quite helpful and using larger capacitors definatly increases power as I have seen in my own tests on my circuit.

    Hey another cool thing I found is that if you earth both the earth of the circuit to ground and the other end of the antenna to a separate ground, you increase the power dramaticaly, compared to using a normal antenna and coil. I made a similar coil to the one mentioned on the ambient power web page but it didn't help.

    I have tested and found that the power output is greatly related to how large your capacitors are and how well grounded your antenna and circuit grounds are. A metal stake shoved in the ground provides a reasonable ground. But I found that it is much better to get the largest surface area of metal in contact with the ground as possible. I even tryed digging a hole and planting aluminium foil sheets in the ground. That worked quite well. At the moment I am using the earth of the house for the circuit earth and a metal fence for the antenna earth. This is working great.

    Note that the ground of the circuit and the antenna gound have to be separate. They cannot be connected in any way other than physical earth.

    So far I am using 470uF capacitors and IN60 germanium diodes as they have a low voltage drop and the capacitors collect more current compared to 47uF. I also replaced the 0.2uF capacitors in the original diagram to 47uF capacitors aswell. I also intend to replace them all to much higher capacitor values. Although the mentioned 50-500 farred capacitors on the web site cost a fortune as each one costs $1000+ each and I would need 12 of them.

    The first circuit showen on the web page that had the problem with the diode, I fixed and is running quite well. I have included a picture of the fixed circuit in this e-mail as an attatchment if you would like to have a look at it.

    If you have a look at the circuit you will see that it is the diode in red that has been fixed. This circuit has been test run with a computer program as well as practicaly. An example output of current and voltage measurements is also included along with a load (The light bulb). Unfortunatly practicly I havn't been able to collect that much current yet. Although I am working on it. But I have been able to get up to 27 volts with this design.

    At the moment the circuit runs nicely as a night light although it is probably too bright to be used as I night light. I use an 8000 mcd white LED which is definatly bright. But I know that I will inprove the circuit further and will hopefully be able to power more than just an LED.

 
Title: Re: Free Electricity...from Thin Air
Post by: CLaNZeR on December 02, 2007, 10:24:18 PM

So this is busted IMHO, EE type with an open mind that built it.  Showed pictures as well.

Maybe if I made one that is tuned to the wireless ethernet in my house and steal some power back.  haha.


Good Stuff Mike

Why have I not seen ya over at http://trawoeger-pyramide.info/mirror/

Regards

Sean.

Title: Re: Free Electricity...from Thin Air
Post by: TheOne on December 04, 2007, 01:58:57 AM
Pic 1:  Top of board
Pic 2: Bottom of board
Pic 3: "Some" of the spools I tried for an antenna
Pic 4: Largest spool I had and stuck an iron rebar in as well.  Meter is 0VDC
Pic 5: Just making sure
Pic 6: now with copper on iron core 

On Pic 6, you see .014vdc, that counted down to 0 in about 2 minutes.  I think my body charged the caps when I picked up the board and moved it to this area to try another antenna.

Pardon my messy work area.

Anyway.  I would not put too much time into this.  Anyone know how much current it takes to charge a cell phone (like the one in the video)?  And would you not THINK the voltage would have to be regulated to even charge it..  And still, that LCD showing it is charging must require some power...

So this is busted IMHO, EE type with an open mind that built it.  Showed pictures as well.

Maybe if I made one that is tuned to the wireless ethernet in my house and steal some power back.  haha.


I think the plan us 4 capacitors not 2?
Title: Re: Free Electricity...from Thin Air
Post by: gaby de wilde on December 05, 2007, 02:44:06 AM
I think it's also relivant he is using a solderless curcuit.

@ hans
I think it's appropriate when you add a link when you liberously copy some one's entire website.  If you do feel the need to steal peoples homepage and bandwidth at least add a link? This specific server does not allow bandwidth theft the way you attempted it.  I'm very curious what you tried to steal so you have me looking for the link now. ::)

http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/links.html

Which one is it?

*searches for "Ambient power module"*

Ah haha
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/ambientpower.htm

It appears the image server now continues to show the forbidden to access images, this time on the original website.

You have broken the internet!
Title: Re: Free Electricity...from Thin Air
Post by: hansvonlieven on December 05, 2007, 06:46:16 PM
Gaby,

Why is it that you always assume the worst of people.

I did not steal anything. The articles I posted come from my own files that I have built up over the years. I copied only the relevant bits and indexed them in my own fashion. I seriously could not remember where I originally found the stuff.

Besides, Do you see a copyright notice or even a name ??

That makes it public domain anyway.

Hans von Lieven