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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: Qwert on November 29, 2007, 07:58:08 AM

Title: EUREKA!!! FINALLY!
Post by: Qwert on November 29, 2007, 07:58:08 AM
http://theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/ElectromagneticDev/Ron_Classen/acpower_files/gensetmenu.htm
Title: Re: EUREKA!!! FINALLY!
Post by: MeggerMan on November 29, 2007, 02:22:44 PM
Finally another motor?
I could not see any results indicating over-unity or self running, I could be wrong but I read most of the blurb on the site.
I was looking for input to output results but could not find any, well engineered setup though - very impressive.

Regards
Rob
Title: Re: EUREKA!!! FINALLY!
Post by: Koen1 on November 29, 2007, 02:23:16 PM
Finally WHAT?

finally a 66,66% efficient electrical generator?
What's so "eureka" about that?

Besides, what do you mean "finally"? This version of a "Muller"-type generator has been posted on that site for years already...
Title: Re: EUREKA!!! FINALLY!
Post by: Qwert on November 29, 2007, 04:45:23 PM
Finally WHAT?

finally a 66,66% efficient electrical generator?
What's so "eureka" about that?

Besides, what do you mean "finally"? This version of a "Muller"-type generator has been posted on that site for years already...


After over 100 years of attempts history (the oldest known to me is US patent # 190206 of W. W. Gary from the year of 1877 "Electro Magnetic Motor"), including recent years' international research attempts using inernet, there still is not known even ONE proven working overunity example (Mathernitha Testatika is covered from the world). To me, the idea is a utopia. Eureka!!! Finally I can say this openly.
Title: Re: EUREKA!!! FINALLY!
Post by: Koen1 on November 29, 2007, 05:16:53 PM
Okay, let me get this straight...

So you shout "Eureka! Finally!" and show a pic of Beardens depiction of the Poynting flow from a cap next to a magnet,
because you consider it some form of proof that OU cannot be achieved?

that doesn't make much sense... :-\
Title: Re: EUREKA!!! FINALLY!
Post by: MeggerMan on November 29, 2007, 05:19:09 PM
@Qwert
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After over 100 years of attempts history (the oldest known to me is US patent # 190206 of W. W. Gary from the year of 1877 "Electro Magnetic Motor"), including recent years' international research attempts using inernet, there still is not known even ONE proven working overunity example (Mathernitha Testatika is covered from the world). To me, the idea is a utopia. Eureka!!! Finally I can say this openly.

I think Paul Bauman wants people to join their Swiss commune and maybe then they will be able to see the "secret or secrets" - or is it a hoax?
So are you saying this motor/generator is running OU then?
If so can you show me where on the page this says that.
66% efficient means you still need get another 35% out of the device to get OU.
"Eureka" is reserved for declaring OU devices only.

Regards
Rob

Title: Re: EUREKA!!! FINALLY!
Post by: Qwert on November 30, 2007, 12:37:03 AM
@Qwert

I think Paul Bauman wants people to join their Swiss commune and maybe then they will be able to see the "secret or secrets" - or is it a hoax?
So are you saying this motor/generator is running OU then?
If so can you show me where on the page this says that.
66% efficient means you still need get another 35% out of the device to get OU.
"Eureka" is reserved for declaring OU devices only.

Regards
Rob

eureka definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861609400

[Greek heurēka "I have found (it)" < heuriskein "to find," supposedly exclaimed by Archimedes when he discovered the principle of water displacement]
Definition: expressing triumph: used to express delight on finding, discovering, or solving something, or on finally succeeding in doing something.

So, I discovered the overunity idea a utopia.
Title: Re: EUREKA!!! FINALLY!
Post by: Koen1 on November 30, 2007, 12:27:43 PM
Yes, I gathered that was what you meant.
But usually the term "Eureka" is meant in the sense of "I have found what I was looking for!" or "I have found the solution!"
and not in the sense of "I have found it to be untrue!" or "I have found falsification of something!".

Therfor, when you go on a "free energy"/"over unity" website and post "Eureka! Finally!", 99.9% of all people who read it will interpret it as
"I have finally found the secret to free energy!"
and certainly NOT as
"Yippee I have finally determined to my own satisfaction that free energy is impossible!".

A simple matter of cognitive dissonace caused by your misuse of the term.
Title: Re: EUREKA!!! FINALLY!
Post by: crazyman on November 30, 2007, 01:38:19 PM
A simple matter of cognitive dissonace caused by your misuse of the term.

How about, ? you?re an Antagonist koenhead.?.........
Zzzzzzz Zzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzz
Title: Re: EUREKA!!! FINALLY!
Post by: Koen1 on November 30, 2007, 02:30:17 PM
A simple matter of cognitive dissonace caused by your misuse of the term.

How about, ? you?re an Antagonist koenhead.?.........
Zzzzzzz Zzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzz

lol :)
how about "so are you apparently", mr sleepyhead? ;)

Besides, I only antagonise when there is actually something to react negatively to.
I also give credit when credit is due. Unfortunately, presenting an existing electrical generator as "proof" that OU is impossible and then shouting "eureka" because you think that self-proclaimed "proof" is somehow an accomplishment, does not deserve credit...
How exactly is pointing out flaws antagonising? I would consider it to be a form of constructive criticism, as it can serve to avoid such flaws or mistakes in the future.
Or do you consider me to be an antagonist because I do not get carried away with wild ideas and retain a logically critical stance?
Many people seem to have trouble making the distinction between not immediately going crazy over new OU claims while keeping a critical view, and being an actual opponent of OU/FE. The fact that I do not jump on the bandwagon immediately but prefer to look at it critically to avoid having the wheel drop off the wagon during the ride, does not mean I don't want a wagon to ride. It just means I want to make sure we actually have a wagon and not something that looks like it and is mistaken for a wagon by the overenthousiastic believers. That is fundamentally different from denying the possibility of the wagons existance. Pardon the wagon analogy.
Title: Re: EUREKA!!! FINALLY!
Post by: Qwert on November 30, 2007, 10:10:26 PM
Yes, I gathered that was what you meant.
But usually the term "Eureka" is meant in the sense of "I have found what I was looking for!" or "I have found the solution!"
and not in the sense of "I have found it to be untrue!" or "I have found falsification of something!".

Therfor, when you go on a "free energy"/"over unity" website and post "Eureka! Finally!", 99.9% of all people who read it will interpret it as
"I have finally found the secret to free energy!"
and certainly NOT as
"Yippee I have finally determined to my own satisfaction that free energy is impossible!".

A simple matter of cognitive dissonace caused by your misuse of the term.

My answer is: yes, You are exactly right. Mea culpa...
To be more exact, it was my bad reaction for an adverse response for my discovery. If You don't mind, I suggest to quit this discussion only for the sake of unnecessary wasting space of this site.
Title: Re: EUREKA!!! FINALLY!
Post by: Joh70 on December 01, 2007, 07:47:11 PM
maybe delete the whole thread would be a good idea...mmpfhhhh!!!!
Title: Re: EUREKA!!! FINALLY!
Post by: Rosphere on December 01, 2007, 08:42:25 PM
A simple matter of cognitive dissonance caused by your misuse of the term.
I hate being cognitively dissed.   ;)
Title: Re: EUREKA!!! FINALLY!
Post by: Koen1 on December 03, 2007, 02:22:19 AM
LOL  :D
Title: Re: EUREKA!!! FINALLY!
Post by: HopeForHumanity on December 03, 2007, 08:03:01 AM
I think we should simply keep this thread for the sake of it being the most random thread ever thought of... Or wait. Maybe delete it for the sake of it being satisfaction for discovering the uselessness of the thread? Or wait. Keep the thread in order to identify that we found the satisfaction for discovering the uselessness of the thread? Or wait. Tell me what you would do in a situation of discovering that overunity didn't exist because a small detail of an experiment didn't concur with the concept of overunity. :-\