Author Topic: Some thoughts on how the TPU might work. (Read 108936 times)

Bruce_TPU · « **Reply #330 on:** January 09, 2008, 05:33:43 AM »

Quote from: Grumpy on January 08, 2008, 11:47:48 PM

The reference to wing design and passing the sound barrier was an "analogy".

Perhaps he meant to imply something like this:

"Along the mach line the millions of small pressure waves add up creating a very strong pressure wave, with highly compressed (dense) air, called a shockwave."

Yes, YES and Yes! I stated long ago in my thread and hold to it this day that SM wanted us to understand "how" they discovered the correct configuration to break the speed barrier. Not try to take the actual wing configuration. IMHO.

These pressure waves, I believe are the accelerator of the electrons.

@ Otto
I think that if you wound your collectors as Litz wire, You would have greater success, if the "phenomenon of magnetic collection" is taking place by rotating the weak magnetic field, visa via the control coil pulses of the three "secret" frequencies.

I have ordered my Litz wire today. 35 ft of 675 strand, individually insulated. If it is a weak magnetic field causing some of the current in the collector, Litz is the way to go. Only for the collectors of course.

Cheers,

Bruce

epwpixieq-1 · « **Reply #331 on:** January 09, 2008, 05:47:42 AM »

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Electricity travels at 185000 miles per second

Well I do not know what Electricity is ( leave aside the tech books ) and what is it's speed ... I have found this site in one of my searches and it seems to be relevant to give some light on the question: http://amasci.com/miscon/speed.html ... sorry that this may add more to the confusion.

zapnic · « **Reply #332 on:** January 09, 2008, 09:03:15 AM »

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Bruce_TPU · « **Reply #333 on:** January 09, 2008, 04:57:48 PM »

Thanks for posting SM, Chef.

"I want you to start and think of the generator principles the exact
same way that passing the sound barrier was accomplished.
Read how the engineers in this country finally developed the proper wing
design to accomplish super sonic speed in aircraft.
I hope it will give you a picture of what is going on inside the generator
and especially the collector"

How did they develop the wing? Using pressure waves produced inside of a wind tunnel. The collector is a circle. We know that for a fact! So what is going on inside the collector? Grumpy said it well. How? These three frequencies. We now have the proper circuit potential with the 3 stack tpu. IMHO

The only things I want to change, is:
a. Use Litz for the collectors. And perhaps for the feedback coil as well.
b. Use 1 tube, with a frequency divider to provide the pulses.
c. I do not want my control wires connected to the collectors. I want the current to STOP.

Cheers,

Bruce

Grumpy · « **Reply #334 on:** January 09, 2008, 05:40:22 PM »

In acoustics waves have "pressure" and "displacement".

In electromagnetics waves have "voltage" and "current".

Respectively, so voltage is pressure and displacement is current.

How does kinetic energy fit in?

sparks · « **Reply #335 on:** January 10, 2008, 06:54:14 PM »

Quote from: Grumpy on January 09, 2008, 05:40:22 PM

In acoustics waves have "pressure" and "displacement".

In electromagnetics waves have "voltage" and "current".

Respectively, so voltage is pressure and displacement is current.

How does kinetic energy fit in?

Sound waves as we experience them aren't like em waves. They are totally dependent on the media through which they travel and the viscosity of the media. The kinetic energy of the speaker is transferred directly into the media. They basically broke the sound barrier by designing a quiet wing profile. Before that the kinetic energy of the "speaker" would get stored in a field that was increasingly compressed and amplified as the speaker started to travel closer and closer to the speed at which the sound waves were traveling. When the wing would enter this field the field would get shocked and let go it's stored energy with a vengence. (I lived near a base and remember the jets breaking glass in my pop's garage windows back in the late 50's early 60's.) Same thing happens in rocket engines also but this media is plasmic.

SM with his analogy to the wing could be warning folks about synchronizing the kicks with the wave created by the time displaced kicker currents. If the kicks synchronize with the wave it causes energy to be stored in the wave instead of doing work which is to create a DC type flow in a vortex type path.
The wave is just there for induction into the secondary output windings.

There is no reason why an electrical field can not be oscillating at an acoustical frequency. It is an extremely long wavelength though. The military built 30mile long antennaes in an attempt to transmit frequencies through the ground. It worked but what is interesting is that all sorts of pops and whistles were received from scources inside the Earth. There is longwave energy down there.

@Grumpy

Do em waves really have current? They provoke a current in a receiver but if they are in a vacuum they exist only as an exchange between potential energy and kinetic energy due to the play of magnetism and electricity. They are just another example of the play between the two fundamental forces of attraction and dispersion.

allcanadian · « **Reply #336 on:** January 11, 2008, 03:18:53 PM »

SM Quote
"I want you to start and think of the generator principles the exact
same way that passing the sound barrier was accomplished.
Read how the engineers in this country finally developed the proper wing
design to accomplish super sonic speed in aircraft.
I hope it will give you a picture of what is going on inside the generator
and especially the collector"

1)"I want you to start and think of the generator principles the exact
same way that passing the sound barrier was accomplished".
---The sound barrier was broken by understanding the "qualities" of air under all conditions. In a generator we must understand inductance (L) ,Resistance (R) and Capacitance (C) and how they relate to the qualities of electrical energy produced.

2)"Read how the engineers in this country finally developed the proper wing
design to accomplish super sonic speed in aircraft."
---The proper wing design was tapered and thin to reduce the shock wave which rendered rudder/aileron control ineffective. In a conventional generator current flow is always opposed rendering the generator ineffective, this process can be reversed by using an inductive discharge to overcome all opposition to flow, as the voltage rises through resistance. The inductive discharge can charge a primary coil and be stored in a capacitor for futher use.

3)"I hope it will give you a picture of what is going on inside the generator
and especially the collector"
--- The collector is the primary coil, having no resistance to flow, all resistance or opposition is overcome through a rising potential.

@sparks

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Sound waves as we experience them aren't like em waves. They are totally dependent on the media through which they travel and the viscosity of the media.

Here is what Tesla has to say------

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The so?called Hertz waves are still considered a reality proving that light is electrical in its nature, and also that the ether is capable of transmitting transverse vibrations of frequencies however low. This view has become untenable since I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous body in which only longitudinal pulses can be prop?agated, involving alternating compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves in the air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does not emit Hertz waves which are a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely small densi?ty of the medium, their speed is that of light.

Sound Waves you say

We could also state that the qualities of electrical energy are dependent on the media through which they travel and the viscosity of the media because the conductor be it metal or air influences Capacitance, Inductance and Resistance. Here is what Tesla has to say about building an effective electrical generator----

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The essential parts of such an oscillator are: a condenser, a self-induction coil for charging the same to a high potential, a circuit controller, and a transformer which is energized by the oscillatory. discharges of the condenser. There are at least three, but usually four, five or six, circuits in tune and the regulation is effected in several ways, most frequently merely by means of an adjusting screw. Under favorable conditions an efficiency as high as 85% is attainable, that is to say, that percentage of the energy supplied can be recovered in the secondary of the transformer. While the chief virtue of this kind of apparatus is obviously due to the wonderful powers of the condenser, special qualities result from concatenation of circuits under observance of accurate harmonic relations, and minimization of frictional and other losses which has been one of the principal objects of the design.

There are at least three circuits in tune you say

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Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic! If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic ? and this we know it is, for certain ? then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.

Hopefully sooner than later!
Best Regards

sparks · « **Reply #337 on:** January 11, 2008, 05:10:26 PM »

@all canadien

Sound waves do not exist in a vacuum. They need like ocean waves a media to pass through. EM waves travel through a vacuum because of their magnetic field propogation. I think Telsa was talking about his technique of using the Earth's crust as a huge antennae upon which he transmitted electrical oscillations he created by charging capacitors with dynamos and discharging them and creating an em wave that was in the thousands of horsepower strength. He used the Earth crust like a stick antennae. The wave propogation longitudinally because the antennae was longitudinal.
He was using between 10 and 20 thousand volts at 50khz or more to pump up this antennae. I don't think he would get permitting for this activity now adays.

It is interesting though the idea of a soundwave type propogation of an electrical wave. If the tpu creates an electronic media which consists of electrons freed of their atomic orbitals they create the media. Electronic air so to speak. Then yes a wave could be propogated and travel like a sound wave does through a push pull of the near media.
hmmmmmmm

M@rcel · « **Reply #338 on:** January 24, 2008, 01:23:28 PM »

Might want to have a look here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3960.0.html

sparks · « **Reply #339 on:** January 24, 2008, 04:09:55 PM »

Telsa was a master of the standing wave. By pumping more and more energy into a
standing wave he could produce voltage potentials that are awesome. At some point the potential would overcome the dielectric of the field and an electrical current would insue. In air this current would ionize the field atoms and you get lightning. But in the ground you get a stable electrical discharge. By controlling the amplitude of the Earth bound standing wave he could control the RF flash over current to create an oscillating electrical current in the Earth. As he stated the emwave energy is conserved and converted into current as needed.
The tpu creates a standing orbiting field whose energy is stored in spin velocity of the field.
This electrical vortex is analogous to an atmospheric vortex whereby diffused energy fields are collected and concentrated in the spin velocity of the storm. Once the tpu initiates the spin field it converts diffuse potential energy fields into spin velocity of the propogated electrical field. This energy is extracted from the vortex via inductive coupling of the field to output windings. Something like spinning a bar magnet around a winding at 300,000 rpm.

M@rcel · « **Reply #340 on:** January 30, 2008, 11:28:03 AM »

I'm not sure why yet, but something is telling me to post this link here:
http://www.geocities.com/ageofmagnetizm/index

Yes, weirdo is my middle name

otto · « **Reply #341 on:** March 04, 2008, 12:51:29 PM »

Hello all,

as the 1. post in this topic about TPUs is the most relevant I ever saw, Im posting here a big NOTHING because Im not able in this moment to work on my TPU AND I dont want the people forget dfros words.

Is somebody able to add 1 + 1 (dfros words and the pictures from Mannix) and build a TPU??

@Stefan Hartmann

if you read this post maybe you can place this topic on top of all topics in the SM forum.

Otto

CTG Labs · « **Reply #342 on:** March 04, 2008, 03:25:05 PM »

Hi Sparks,

Being an uneducated guy, I often ask a question to which I never really receive an answer. You seem to know, so perhaps you would be so kind.

We are told that an atom supports the existence of a magnetic field, ie a magnetic field cannot exist on its own as it emanates from an atom, it is created by the atom/mass.

How then does a magnetic field radiate off through space which is devoid of any mass to support the magnetic field?

Regards,

Dave.

Quote from: sparks on January 11, 2008, 05:10:26 PM

Sound waves do not exist in a vacuum. They need like ocean waves a media to pass through. EM waves travel through a vacuum because of their magnetic field propogation.

sparks · « **Reply #343 on:** March 05, 2008, 03:15:55 AM »

Magnetism is an effect rising from inertial force. It resists change. I view energy as change always resisted by inertia. So those magnetic lines of force stretched out into space are an inertial force reacting to energy or change force. The magnetosphere propogated by an electrical vortex. The electrical vortex flowing because it made the magnetosphere. It's like magnetism holds up change or stops time and then says ok if you want to do that I'll make sure you do that, cause I'm going to do this.
That's why we can say energy is stored in a magnetic field. Energy having to become potential energy while magnetism get's it's ass in gear.

EMdevices · « **Reply #344 on:** March 08, 2008, 03:18:58 AM »

Hi guys,

I've discovered another thread on this forum discussing the Thrapp motor/generator (in the NEWS section , the "self running 900 wattt generator." thread) , and I realized some things and have been inspired regarding the TPU principles, and I proposed a concept. Check it out at this link:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3764.msg81280.html#msg81280

What do you think? We can discuss it here or there, either way.

EM

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