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Some thoughts on how the TPU might work.
« on: November 27, 2007, 01:43:29 AM »
Hello fellow reverse engineers.

I have been following this forum, watching the videos, and pondering how the TPU works.  I think it is an authentic freedom energy device.

I consider myself very much a novice in electronics, but maybe my conjectures could shed some new light on the "guess what answer I am thinking of" game we are all trying to play here with SM.  Please, pardon any major electronics dumb statements I make that reveal my inexperience in this field.  I hope my thoughts are not too disorganized and hard to follow, also.

I would like to start by commenting about the "rotating magnetic field" mystery.  I have been thinking a lot about that.  What I think is happening is SM has set up sets of inductive coils that are oriented in two, possibly three different directions.  On his small device there is the collector coil, which is wrapped around the circumference of the main circle.  I think he has wrapped the collector coil around the circumference several times, but since the wire strands are packed in with no kind of wrapping orientation (the strands are not wrapped side by side along a core or hollow tube), the magnetic flux lines look like they would be for a single strand. However, he has augmented the collector coil with other vertical coils, which seem to be wrapped around metal cores (and on which he placed the magnets in one video).  These windings could be extensions of the collector coil and connected in series with it and each other.  The input coils are oriented in such a way that their flux lines are 90 degrees to the output coil and vertical coils.  Again, I think the collector coil is somehow wired in series with the vertical coils.  Other sets of coils, which I don't see in any of the pictures could be oriented as if the windings were wrapping around imaginary wheel spokes. 

I also think this device is harnessing and augmenting the radiant energy surges that come from very quick, high voltage pulses.  I remember Bedini or Tesla or Bearden saying that the more resistance across the voltage spike, the more electrons that piles up on the negative side of the circuit being excited.  The trick is to let the electrons pile up and then switch them into the circuit without destroying the dipole .  The inductive coils seem to be perfect for this.  The voltage spike hits the input coil, the high inductive reactance resists electron flow and then as the magnetic field builds and collapses, the electrons move.  I think he has all of the coils attached to capacitors to create resonant tank circuits.  Also, I think he might have a diode in series with the capacitors of the tank circuits so that the current can only flow in one direction (maybe not, though).  No current is ever allowed to flow when the pulse hits the coil.  The kick hits a back-emf wall when it occurs, pulls in the radiant energy current surge, and then lets the current flow in the input coil when the induced magnetic field is building and decaying.  With the current flowing in the input coil, its magnetic flux induces a current and flux in the collector coil.  Using the flux created in the collector coil is one of the secrets, I think.

I also think he is using a small battery in all the devices to run the pulse control circuitry.  I imagine there are a few 555 ic's that are driving some kind of fast, high voltage mosfet driver to make 1 to 4 sets of very fast, short on-time pulses, which are harmonics of each other.  I would suggest doing pulse ratios that are in the Fibonacci series or each pulse being the previous pulse times phi.  However, the pulses may be tuned to a chord, like a major chord - root, fifth, octave, tenth (just a thought).  He has written about striking the right chord, correct?  I also think he has a solid state diode/cap circuit to step up the voltage from the battery for the pulses.  I remember reading about how to do this using diodes, caps, and pulses - it is basic stuff, which I don't know how to do yet.

When the fast, high voltage kick hits the first input coil and inducing current, its flux lines build and cut through the collector coil, causing current to be induced in the collector coil.  It also induces current in the vertically oriented coils that are adjacent to the first input coil.  I imagine that these are wired in series with the collector coil. The magnetic flux has just spun 90 degrees and moved over from input coil 1 to vertical collector coil 1.  I also imagine that the adjacent vertical coil is wrapped in such a way that it induces a current (and thus magnetic flux)  in the second input coil.  So when the now faster (1.618: 1 faster?) kicks hit the second coil, there is already current moving and flux building.  The second input coil is also attached to a resonant tank circuit which is tuned to have its resonant peak at the frequency of the pulses. I think the collector coil and its vertical coils have caps in series, also.  They form part of a LC resonant tank circuit but also store the voltage to power any attached load.  It think the collector coil with the vertical coils is tuned to have its resonance at the lowest fundamental frequency, and the input coils are harmonics of that - possibly odd order harmonics, Fibonacci series, phi, major chord, or empirically tuned by watching the behavior on a scope.

 When the kicks on coil 2 pull in the radiant energy current surge, that induces current and flux in the collector coil and the next adjacent vertical coil, which is wrapped in such a way that it induces current and flux in the next input coil (3).  This continues around the circle with the magnetic field cork screwing around the circumference of the main collector coil circle.  When the magnetic surge makes it round the circuit, it acts as positive feedback for the first input coil.  I also think this cork-screwing and spinning of the magnetic fields pulls in more radiant energy, which causes the current to keep flowing in the same direction.   If the pulses and resonance were optimized, the tpu would quickly pull in too much voltage and cause catastrophic arcs through the wire insulation or capacitor insulation.  This is why SM tunes the circuit off frequency slightly.  You can also see he has put fuses on the big tpu device.

I do not think the earth's magnetic resonance is critical to the operating of the tpu.  It is a radiant energy device pulling its energy from the vacuum.  I think you can pick different sets of frequencies.  In his first small device, maybe SM thought the earth's vibrating magnetic field played a role, but the later devices vibrated much faster.  By setting up his device to resonate at 7.3 Hz, maybe there was a significant braking effect from the earth's flux that happened when he turned the device upside down.  The magnet on the small device probably just triggered a magnetic switch that turned on the device.  He has said that the magnets are not critical to the operation of the device, correct?  On the larger device where he turns it on by placing two magnets, I think that he purposely underwound those two coils so that they would not produce enough flux to keep the positive feedback building.  The magnets were used to augment the flux of those two coils and allow the turbine effect to build. 

Also, I think that high ohm leakage resistors are placed in parallel with each capacitor in the various tank circuits.  On the large tpu it looks like he has resistors across the pair of vertically oriented caps.  These dissipate the voltage on the caps when the device is turned off as a safety measure.  They also serve to bleed some of the current and create some extra ac "hash" on the dc current, which causes additional resonance in the tank circuits.  It also causes the vibration of the device, which also contributes to the flux of adjacent coils inducing more voltage and current much like a guitar pickup picks up the vibration of a metal string.  Maybe all of the coil wire should be ferrous? Has SM said anything about what kind of metal the wire is made of?  This vibration and the current drawn from the device when it is powering a load are what cause the device to heat up.  I imagine having a bank of several units wired in parallel to abate overheating issues.

On the big tpu device the inductive coils in the center might be there because he needed a certain amount of induction for his vertical collector coils, but he did not need all of the coil to be close to the input coils creating the positive magnetic feedback.  It may have been a way of maximizing the LC tank resonance but reducing some of the positive magnetic feedback. 

I think the gyroscopic effect comes from the cork-screwing magnetic field that is constantly circling around the circumference of the device.  This also seems to match his statements about the tpu acting as a turbine or an accelerometer.

Please, let me know what you think, everyone (including you, SM).  I have to study a lot more before I can draw up a possible circuit to test.

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Re: Some thoughts on how the TPU might work.
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2007, 11:49:14 AM »
Hello all,

@dfro

you have a theory and so you have a setup in your "memory". In this forum I learned that a picture is 1000 words worth. Show us a picture and THEN we - myself can discuss.

Im not so good with theories but when I see a picture then.....I made a lot of coils, not to mention TPUs and I hope I learned something in this almost 2 years.

Otto

Edit: again my f...g feeling in my heart. A warm feeling. PLEASE, a PICTURE!!!!
« Last Edit: November 29, 2007, 01:07:54 PM by otto »

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Re: Some thoughts on how the TPU might work.
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2007, 12:23:01 PM »
Did you see this experiment by JLN Labs.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm

TEST N?2) LMD Transmission Line:
The LMD (Longitudinal Magneto-Dielectric) line is the analog simulation of longitudinal EM waves propagation in space coming from two parallel wires, this is the unconventional flow of the EM radiation.

The output power is >3 times input power just using coils and cap's

Geoff

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Re: Some thoughts on how the TPU might work.
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2007, 01:49:12 PM »
Hello Geoff,

yes, I saw it a looong time ago. Again yes, tank circuits and yes, again the controls I also see as extensions of the collectors or the opposite.

To say it in my way: if I want a working Mobius I have to connect this Mobius in series with the controls. If not connected in this manner they dont work. In a lot of tests I had a very nice light and then I disconnected the Mobius and saw that the light was the same! This means, the Mobius didnt work. When you connect everything in series then the Mobius is forced to work because the current MUST go through and arround the Mobius. Yes, arround Mobius and all the wires because I can hear the particles swirling in my cork "isolation". Its a specific sound.

Otto

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Re: Some thoughts on how the TPU might work.
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2007, 09:11:59 PM »
Hello Otto

I would like to thank you for all the great work you have done on this project, you deserve all respect.
Unfortunately I don't have your experience or expertise!

I guess I am really looking for something much simpler to build for myself, definitely not RF, I had my fingers burned with RF many years ago!

Watching the SM videos, for the 100th time, did I really hear him say that he could feel a vibration at about 5kHz?
I don't know if that is possible, 50Hz I could feel but I don't know about 5kHz.

I'm sure your work is on the right lines but, as SM said, there are other ways to do it.
I think, from the video's, he shows 3 different types of machine, would you agree?

Regards
Geoff

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Re: Some thoughts on how the TPU might work.
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2007, 07:36:07 AM »
Hello all,

@Geoff

thanks for your kind words.

Im burning my fingers almost every day. You know how it is: a lot of wires arround the TPU and it happens that I touch 1 of them....

Yes, there is a vibration at, say, 5kHz and again yes, there are a few ways to build a TPU. We know about the open - 4 segments - 2 metal plates as collectors or something like this and in the videos we could see TPUs builded in other ways...

You mentioned that you want to build something much simpler. HA!!! The TPU is sooooooo simple to build. Forget about loooooooong coils and such crap. The TPU needs SHORT coils. In this moment I really dont know how short but on Monday, I hope, I will know it.

As our master said: just a wire for a collector and another wire wound arround this collector and I say not too much wire. Its easy. The RF is not such a problem. You have only to be carefull.

Otto

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Re: Some thoughts on how the TPU might work.
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2007, 05:58:05 PM »
@dfro

Your knowledge does not sound as weak as you suggest it might be. Agreed, there must be at least three major types given by SM. The confusion is where his words do not seem to apply to any specific type. When his words fit one device it seams to be opposite in another device.

Since my short time trying to build each of the types (as I have been able to understand them) I have come up with nothing worth sharing on this forum. Why? Because words are useless without graphics and drawings. The photos supplied are incredibly poor quality.

Otto seems to be one of the most dedicated to finding the answer. He has shared much but also had results worth sharing. If nothing else I will have learned a great deal since joining this forum. I must say I thought my knowledge on these matters was virtually complete when I joined. Now I laugh at myself for such ignorance!

Please, provide a graphic of your posted text. Mistranslation of more words is not going to help here. From your words I think you have a great deal to aid in this quest.

BEP

 

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Re: Some thoughts on how the TPU might work.
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2007, 09:01:35 AM »
Hello all,

@BEP

today is Monday I this week I will read dfros 2 posts 1000 times, if needed. Try to make a drawing from dfros words. He uses other words for the coils but who cares. Just take your time and think about what this great man said to us.

Its the first time that I have his 2 posts on my PC desktop because you never know.....ha,ha.

BEP, lets analyse every word of this guy. Lets try to make a drawing, let us finnish the game!! .....my feeling....

@All,

this weekend I wanted to work on my TPU but I made something totally different: I made a 50 turns control coil (like the ECD, for learning purposes only) and a Mobius as collector, just 1 turn and then 5 turns and ended with 9 turns for the collector.

I knew it already but wanted to see it again: the more turns for a collector, the more shit, oh, sorry, the more hash you have in your windings. The hash adds or multiplies in the collector windings and thats logic.

Then I was thinking about cutting the lenght of my collector to get the right frequency. But whats the working frequency of a 6" TPU?? Nobody knows! What to do in such a situation??

I used 245kHz like the 15" TPU and the other frequency was from 10 - 70kHz. The 3rd frequency I had to tune so I had just 2 frequencies to play.

I saw that the 245kHz are OK but I had to tune  the other 2 frequencies. Result: with a magnet on my controls everything was vibrating at say 5 - 6kHz. How???

Its easy. A long time I know that at a high frequency of arround 250kHz I have a lot of noise on my radio. I was all the time ignoring this frequency because I didnt want the noise on my radio. I was wrong!!

At this frequency happens the noise. Its 245kHz. Im talking of an exact frequency. Now, the next frequency should be 35kHz. Yes, with this 2 frequencies I can see that sine waves begins to form and my power supply starts to pump. On the radio is a lot of noise. But when the PS pumps I have also a vibration of my control coil!!! and the Mobius!!!!

Dfro said that a coil is needed for stability. On Friday I didnt understand what he meant but today I know it: the stability of the 5 or 6kHz vibration. My vibration is unstable, a lot of noise on my radio, the PS pumping.....remember SMs words? The worst frequency scenario!!

For the guys that dont know about and for what we need a vibration: when I tipp with my finger on my newest TPU I can clearly see that the little vibration causes big kicks in my coils. Of course, NOTHING connected to the coils, no PS and no oscillators.

This means that a vibration gives us a lot of extra energy.

While I was building my little coil setup I had my scope connected on my TPU. Every thing was disconnected but the coils connected. What I saw: just little signals, not worth to mention, in mVs. Then I saw this signals growing, getting bigger and bigger and then a "bang". There was a kick, like a cap was dischargend and the signals again, little, not worth to mention and this "game" repeated again and again....The kick was a big one, in volts.

As I didnt even touch my newest TPU this week, if I have the needed time, I want to wind at least 1 additional feedback coil to have 2 of them. I want to use my knowledge that I got this weekend and see what will happen.

Yes, I know that with only 1 little ECD coil it was impossible to get a runaway but with a TPU and this crazy frequencies and crazy pumping its really a mess because a runaway happens sooooo fast you cant imagine.

It seems that this was a looooong post. Sorry guys.

Otto



« Last Edit: December 03, 2007, 09:53:22 AM by otto »

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Re: Some thoughts on how the TPU might work.
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2007, 06:07:10 AM »
@Otto

I hope I'm not offbase here but here goes:

The speed of sound in a fine stranded copper conductor depends upon a lot of things but basically it is around 2300 m/s for highly flexible wire that is fairly free to move(vibrate).

Adding more loops in the collector causes slower current as flow velocity is highly dependent upon creation of the mag field created by current flow. The more turns = slower current flow + increased hash (turn to turn inductance).

Vibration frequency is also dependent upon flexibility

Vibration is from - a current carrying wire in a magnetic field experiences a force at right angles to both the field and current direction. (magnetostrictive LIKE effect but for any conductor)

How many control coils will you finally have and will they be driven in quadrature? With this I can suggest low and high frequencies. The best I can say of the third frequency is it will be the result of the other two.

As an example: If you will have four control coils (2 sets driven in quadrature- push-pull or totem-pole) I would suggest trying 87.5kHz and 612.5 kHz. Depending upon structure the collector should vibrate in the 3k and 5k range with a difference of vibration frequencies of 1800Hz.

I could go on but I think I already look like a fool.

The above is extrapolated from what I am seeing on my current coil set (NO OU - Yet!)




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Re: Some thoughts on how the TPU might work.
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2007, 08:14:08 AM »
Hello all,

@BEP

the last few days Im playing with my little ECD like control coil connected to a 1 turn Mobius and then to a 5 turn Mobius.

To be honest I was wrong: the hash is the same in 1 turn or in 5 turns of a Mobius. I dont know why. Its not logic because the hash should be added or multiplied in the near windings of a Mobius but....I really dont know whats going on.

You say more windings = slower current + increased hash. Hmmmm .....NO!!

I saw another effect: imagine my 3 oscillators can give me a nice square wave at 100kHz but everything over this frequency is a big nothing. I mean, the signals - square waves are a s..t.

Now imagine when I pulse my TPU I can see veeeeery nice kicks at 250kHz and much more!!! They are perfect.

It looks like the kicks are speeded up in the coils.

About the frequencies I use: just 245kHz and a lower kHz frequency. When I mix this 2 frequencies I have almost a runaway because my Ampermeter on my power supply jumps from 2 - 5A. But this jumping of the Ampmeter needle is at low frequencies.
In this moment when a pumping starts I can hear on my radio a very fast "knocking" signal. My magnetic needle hanging over my TPU or bulb was jumping....and I see that a sinus is forming but as I have only 1 ECD coil I hope I cant have a runaway.

This morning I connected just 1 cap into my setpu and saw that the kicks are now sine waves. I did it a few months ago and it was OK. My favorite was a 22nF/400V cap.

How many control coils?

Just look at dfros description: he mentioned 3 controls, I think and then he says about the magnetic flux at 90?.
I was a long time thinking about my runaway. How did I connect my controls? It seems that I had 4 controls connected in series. 3 coils pulsed and the result was "collected" in the 4th control. Im not sure.

I will try to post a picture.

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Re: Some thoughts on how the TPU might work.
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2007, 08:28:39 AM »
Hello all,

I think that this picture and the description is OK. Yes, you see only a 1 turn collector but who cares. And you see only a 1 segment control. Its easy to have 3 or 4 segments, no problem.

Do you see anything else??

Otto

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Re: Some thoughts on how the TPU might work.
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2007, 06:54:08 AM »
Hello all,

its nice here: Quite!!

First I have to say that my new TPU is wound as in the picture. Its a nice TPU.

The last few days I was playing with my ECD 1 control TPU and as I already posted, at 245kHz + an additional frequency there is a pumping.

Yesterday I connected my new TPU on the oscillators and my 1. frequency was 245kHz. I wanted to see if I can have the same pumping with my TPU as I had it with my ECD.

I only can say yeeeeesssss!!!! 245kHz + a lower frequency gives me a pumping at arround 5 - 10Hz. The pumping is not stable because I have no feedback coils and everything is connected in a wrong way.

I have to print dfros words on a paper so I can have his words on my workbench.

Have a nice day.

Otto

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Re: Some thoughts on how the TPU might work.
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2007, 07:22:18 AM »
Hello

I would say hello all but as Im allone I can only say

Hello myself

yesterday I had not much time but I worked on my 1 ECD coil TPU. As mentioned before, it seems that the 245kHz frequency is a "magic" frequency. I found no other frequency mix that gives me a pumping signal. So, 245kHz is needed and 2 other frequencies.

As I had my pumping I saw that the wires are a little vibrating and so I took a neodym magnet and placed it to the control coil. The vibration was much stronger.

Our master said "all arround..." and I streched the ECD control coil over a quarter of the circumference of my TPU. The wires vibrated.

That means that my new TPU is wound totally wrong because I have a pumping but NOT a vibration.

Its logic why I dont have a vibration and what I have to do: just to build my TPU like in the picture!!!!!!

Otto

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Re: Some thoughts on how the TPU might work.
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2007, 07:47:53 AM »
@otto

Hope you are well.

Also, 258 is square root of 67k which is speed of Earth travel through space.
258 is not far from your 245.
Also 5607 is good.
I also like the 41 to 121 range mixes are so freaky sounding and have powerful vibrations.
I have tried in many places on the CC with a magnet at the end also to check the vibrations.

@all or @z_p_e

On the large TPU he has two yellow caps that remind me of crossover capacitors for audio. From your experience on the size of those caps, are they generally used for low frequency woofer, midrange or for a high frequency tweeter?

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Re: Some thoughts on how the TPU might work.
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2007, 07:59:44 AM »
@wattsup

Im OK, thanks.

Now I remember. Yesterday I measured the 67kHz.

Otto