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gculpex

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Re: How Many Of You......
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2008, 05:13:29 PM »
@bulbz and jokker RE gculpex
i think you guys are misinterpreting gc's post. i'm pretty sure the post was meant to poke fun at the asinine statement by utilitarian. correct me if i'm wrong gculpex.


correct!!!!!!

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Re: How Many Of You......
« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2008, 04:26:19 AM »
Why pay for plans when smack booster gives it away for free :  http://www.smacksboosters.110mb.com/

innovation_station

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Re: How Many Of You......
« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2008, 07:34:05 AM »
advance the timeing why?

well cuz the hho is explosive far more than gas so the piston must be past tdc so as to avoid back fire you want to smak it on the down stroke

no?

i saw a vid on youtube some where showing the timeing at 70deg in a v8 running dirrectly from hho

humm it makes me wonder do do do

ist

exxcomm0n

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Re: How Many Of You......
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2008, 08:05:43 AM »
advance the timeing why?

well cuz the hho is explosive far more than gas so the piston must be past tdc so as to avoid back fire you want to smak it on the down stroke

no?

i saw a vid on youtube some where showing the timeing at 70deg in a v8 running dirrectly from hho

humm it makes me wonder do do do

ist

You're right on the timing.

HHO burns much faster than gas AND creates vacuum as exhaust because it recombines into water.

I'm starting to wonder if 2 cycle engines with an intake oil sprayer might be something to investigate. Also, wankel engines.

I've posted in another thread (wanting to use JUST the vacuum from the explosion, he hadn't really played w/ HHO yet.) about the stroke of a 4 cycle engine maybe being too long and the vacuum from the exhaust working against the piston power stroke because of the explode/condense cycle finishing before the stroke does.

We can use HHO to supplement gasoline for a gasoline engine, but can we really hope to run pure HHO in one that was designed to utilize the burn of gasoline?

As for HHO supplementation, I plan on getting my early 90's Toyota Camry (33+ mpg with mixed highway and city) a cell done this week and will post results here and the Tube.

As for mileage boost, there are many with positive results on the Tube, and if you take miles traveled divided by gallons used to fill your tank you can find your MPG and see if you get a boost.

I recommend searching up CSIROCKSUS, sirHOAX, d3adp00l, UNCWMrSalty, SmartScarecrow, dallasgoldbug, sidyoung, and crob227 on the Tube......

....but as you'll see, the world of HHO experimentation can open a Pandora's box of learning.

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denmason

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Re: How Many Of You......
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2008, 07:23:05 AM »
All water-to-fuel devices are scams, insofar as they promote the on-board conversion of water into hydrogen.  This is because it costs more energy to make the hydrogen than the hydrogen will give back to engine.

Hydrogen powered cars and other hydrogen-assisting methods are legit, but the idea is to make hydrogen first and then put it in the car for use.

Your dead wrong and don't really understand how these boosters work. Build one yourself, install it and then check your mileage. I did, and it works. I use less gasoline and it's not doing any damage to my engine or charging system.

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Re: How Many Of You......
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2008, 08:04:27 AM »
Ok, here we go. I have a 1988 Chevy Silverado 2500 5.7. I've done a few modifications to it over the years. When it was new it got about 16 mpg. Here's the mods: shaved the throttle body to allow more air flow. Throttle body spacer, injector spacer, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, high performance fuel pump, Airaid intake with K&N air filter, Halo spark plugs, MSD coil and wires, free flow cat and Flowmaster exhaust, and I rewrote my ECM with my laptop. I think that most everything, anyway after these mods mileage went to 20 to 22 highway.
Now I've built a few Smack boosters with modifications, manly using 22 gauge 316L stainless plates 8 x 3.25. 18 plates spaced 1mm and held with 1/4" SS all thread rods. Running 12v to the booster with a PWM, amperage between cells is around 1.3 and warmed up it's around 1.8 to 2.0. Don't know the LPM output the the bubbler goes wild. Mileage so far on highway is up to 28 and I hope it get's better as the plates become more conditioned with time. Things I noticed with the booster on, motor runs smoother, idle has been adjusted down to 800 rpm and is very smooth. Throttle response is quick, torque is up and the tires BARK! easily into 3rd gear when the tranny shifts. Other thing I noticed is a puff of steam in the mornings at start up. I've been able to lean out my fuel mix without burning plugs or valves. The HHO is piped right into the air cleaner plenum just before the butterflies.
I don't know about the nay sayers,  but I'm sticking with this and I will get much better at it also as I learn more and more.

HHO King

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Re: How Many Of You......
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2008, 04:43:55 AM »
Ther's some nice HHO electronics at http://www.extremehho.com

CrazyEwok

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Re: How Many Of You......
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2008, 06:08:39 AM »
Just some small facts you might want to know before you all start down this trail...
1. The higher the octane the slow the fuel burns... HUH?!? SLOWER??? yes slower, slower burning fuels give of more power when under compression and are safer to transport (aledgedly).
2. To run your car off HHO is a bigger task than a booster. A booster if set up properly can utilize THE EXCESS power that your alternator produces to power your cell. I have seen people lean their engines right down to almost 70% gains in KM/L (thats kilometers per liter) but they are cars that have been specifically altered and customized for their cells.
3. You best gains will be in if you use the highest grade fuel you can and the most HHO you can produce (find a cell design you like and buy an  "off the shelf" controller curcuit and give it a go... worst case senario is you lean your car out to much and it stalls so adjust your mix and keep going.

some suggestions i have is get your cylinders and pistons ceramic coated and stainless steel valves if you plan on running HHO anywhere near 70%. this will stop cylinder rusting if your car sits there for to long.
Don't worry about hydrolisation, there was a case study done (i can't rememebr the link but it was years ago) that it would take in excess of 4-5 years of extreme use under pure HHO running for the effects of hydrolisation to effect your engine in anyway. If you want to do more than just a small percentage of HHO production for your engine (more than 15%) upgrade your alternator. Funnily enough they do all have different outputs and there are upgrades out there usually in the Audio sound groups they want bigger alternators to power their speakers...
This is not a self sufficient power for cars... YET... but it is getting there.

As for proof on the 70% gains in milage i should point out that the car has 2 alternators installed and has almost no top-end power. (he can cruise at 150km/h though, speed limit here is 110km/h). His acceleration is about the  same as normal.

Booster should work by utilizing your unused power generated by your alternator (careful here as the amount of power generated is proportional to the impact it has on your engine.)

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Re: How Many Of You......
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2008, 06:54:13 AM »

@CrazyEwok

You REALLY should watch the videos that Roy McAllister has out. You have stated some truths, but not all you have posted
is correct. Just an observation, not a call to arms! :)



CrazyEwok

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Re: How Many Of You......
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2008, 07:09:16 AM »
Hey Frog.
I'm not saying everything is true i am saying that it is my opinion. But if some of what i have said is true and some not ture point out the non-truths if you can for i am installing my 4th cell revision this weekend and if you can improve my system i would greatly appreciate it?

frog

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Re: How Many Of You......
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2008, 12:50:01 AM »

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2. To run your car off HHO is a bigger task than a booster.

Not so, only HHO pressures between 5-15 psi are required (5 psi to idle, 15 psi acceleration). Watch videos by Roy McAllister and others on YouTube

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3. You best gains will be in if you use the highest grade fuel you can.

No Fossil Fuels are required to run with HHO systems. Recirculate your exhaust gasses, pcv gasses, HHO and h2o mist
then send into your engine. viola Dingle, Stan, GEET and many others systems are based on these simple systems. Fuel
VAPOR. Also research DIESEL ENGINES & WATER/Alcohol/Methanol INJECTION

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some suggestions i have is get your cylinders and pistons ceramic coated and stainless steel valves if you plan on running HHO anywhere near 70%. this will stop cylinder rusting if your car sits there for to long.

Again, NOT REQUIRED. Check out some of the YouTube videos on engines running solely HHO, they're ULTRA CLEAN and cooler running, some of them have pulled old engines apart after running HHO after many years of FOSSIL fuel use only to find
their engine is almost NEW inside. Clean Valves, HEADS, everything.

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If you want to do more than just a small percentage of HHO production for your engine (more than 15%) upgrade your alternator. Funnily enough they do all have different outputs and there are upgrades out there usually in the Audio sound groups they want bigger alternators to power their speakers...This is not a self sufficient power for cars... YET... but it is getting there.

SEE response to #2

Again, this is not a call to arms, only trying to get everyone on the same damn page w/o all the fighting.

CrazyEwok

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Re: How Many Of You......
« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2008, 02:53:10 AM »
Not so, only HHO pressures between 5-15 psi are required (5 psi to idle, 15 psi acceleration). Watch videos by Roy McAllister and others on YouTube
Unfortunately i believe as much in youtube videos as i do the tooth fairy. I'm not saying it is all rubbish but a lot of it is taken with bad footage at poor quality and doesn't show everything... Just IMO. There are some useful things on there though.

No Fossil Fuels are required to run with HHO systems. Recirculate your exhaust gasses, pcv gasses, HHO and h2o mist
then send into your engine. viola Dingle, Stan, GEET and many others systems are based on these simple systems. Fuel
VAPOR. Also research DIESEL ENGINES & WATER/Alcohol/Methanol INJECTION
Yes recycling your exhaust is a great way to improve efficiency. But i was answering his question about if a booster would improve his milage. Water power car = FANTASTIC... Water boosted car = better than straight gas...

Again, NOT REQUIRED. Check out some of the YouTube videos on engines running solely HHO, they're ULTRA CLEAN and cooler running, some of them have pulled old engines apart after running HHO after many years of FOSSIL fuel use only to find
their engine is almost NEW inside. Clean Valves, HEADS, everything.
I agree not required... if you don't ever let your car sit stagnant for any period of time... Personally i leave my car at home some holidays etc. But they cases where that sort of upgrade would be necessary is when your car may/will sit for lengthy periods of time between running it when the water vapour will settle on metal surfaces... BUT the steam from running it does make the inside VERY SHINY!!! also on a side note it has (unconfirmed on the net, but i have seen it) where the steam produced etc can smooth small burrs etc...

SEE response to #2
The upgrade would be if you already use a lot of that power supplied on sound systems or a not so efficient cell to produce the HHO.

Again, this is not a call to arms, only trying to get everyone on the same damn page w/o all the fighting.


I don't believe blind arguing is going to help anyone. there are people that want to see everyones point of view and idea incorporate them all into their own as they want to and encourage others... then there are people that will tell you your wrong because your not doing it like someone else. They are the ones that are unfortunate and i personally try to ignore their comments and look for anything that may be constructive in their posts. Frog you won't be attacked by me for stating something different, you may be in-ordained with questions because i want to know how you did it :P but that's only me being curious not being argumentative.

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« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2008, 04:01:30 AM »
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Unfortunately i believe as much in youtube videos as i do the tooth fairy. I'm not saying it is all rubbish but a lot of it is taken with bad footage at poor quality and doesn't show everything... Just IMO. There are some useful things on there though.

I agree, tons of useless info, but again even more USEFUL info even within these videos, I dissect everything.
 

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Yes recycling your exhaust is a great way to improve efficiency. But i was answering his question about if a booster would improve his milage. Water power car = FANTASTIC... Water boosted car = better than straight gas...

I got it .. :)


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I agree not required... if you don't ever let your car sit stagnant for any period of time... Personally i leave my car at home some holidays etc. But they cases where that sort of upgrade would be necessary is when your car may/will sit for lengthy periods of time between running it when the water vapour will settle on metal surfaces... BUT the steam from running it does make the inside VERY SHINY!!! also on a side note it has (unconfirmed on the net, but i have seen it) where the steam produced etc can smooth small burrs etc...

This actually REDUCES friction created during the burn process, reducing HEAT, creating an increase in efficiency.

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The upgrade would be if you already use a lot of that power supplied on sound systems or a not so efficient cell to produce the HHO.

This is a non issue, as you are working with on-demand pressures, like your A/C system. Keep your "system" "charged" at a desirable pressure and the load is reduced.

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I don't believe blind arguing is going to help anyone. there are people that want to see everyones point of view and idea incorporate them all into their own as they want to and encourage others... then there are people that will tell you your wrong because your not doing it like someone else. They are the ones that are unfortunate and i personally try to ignore their comments and look for anything that may be constructive in their posts. Frog you won't be attacked by me for stating something different, you may be in-ordained with questions because i want to know how you did it :P but that's only me being curious not being argumentative.

I have posted my tests and setup. I don't have a vcam only stillcam. I'm using EGR, PCV, Hydrogen (from cell) and water/mist injection to run a generator (50 kW).



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« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2008, 04:09:27 AM »

And the only reason I keep referring to YouTube videos is that I do not own a vcam. I tried to prove out these
videos and they do work. Most are pretty primal, requiring HUGE currents + chemicals to achieve results that
are equal to lower currents and NO chemicals.