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Title: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 24, 2007, 06:42:21 PM
(http://magnetmotor.googlepages.com/counter-rotating-fields.gif)

Left is a primary axle with a magnet on top. Right is a secondary axle with a magnet on top. If there was no shield the secondary magnet would rotate along with the primary 1:1 With the shielding placed as illustrated (close to the domain wall a bit towards the primary side) the secondary magnet is is disconnected from the primary 2 times per rotation.

While the primary is facing the shield with both it's north and it's south pole (it's side) there isn't any flux propagated beyond it. Here the secondary axle stops and waits for the primary to move beyond this point. The moment the primary has moved beyond 50/50 induction the secondary will leap over the gap and catch up. The catching up power comes out of the magnet.

I can leave the primary in any position and it will just stay there. It's merely pulling the secondary into it's mirrored position when facing the shield. Should not be hard to test.  Just remember to place the conductor closer to the primary magnet.

I would like to get some feedback on this.

Conservation of energy talks should be addressed here  ;)

http://einsteinhoax.com

Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: Omnibus on November 24, 2007, 06:46:41 PM
gaby, can you show an actual experiment doing this?
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 24, 2007, 08:08:30 PM
gaby, can you show an actual experiment doing this?

I will  ;D

I knew the Kiss Rig would come in handy again  ;)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/twomags.jpg)

12 different metal strips tested:

Soft Aluminium
Brass
Copper
Mild Steel
Magnetic Stainless Steel
NON Magnetic Stainless Steel
Galvanised Steel
Hard Aluminium
Phosphor Bronze
Nickel Silver
Zinc Plated Mild Steel
Zinc

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/metals.jpg)


Movie showing all 12 metals being tested.

http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZeR-doing-Gabys-PM-switch-test.wmv

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: Omnibus on November 24, 2007, 08:48:31 PM
Thanks a lot, Sean, that was really interesting (and entertaining too--I liked the song). Do you have by any chance a piece of mumetal (Permalloy) to try this. Very efficient mumetal (the most efficient I've seen so far) is the part inside a hard drive with the neo(s) attached to it. Maybe you have an old hard drive lying around that can be sacrificed in the name of science?
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 24, 2007, 08:54:15 PM
Thanks a lot, Sean, that was really interesting (and entertaining too--I liked the song). Do you have by any chance a piece of mumetal (Permalloy) to try this. Very efficient mumetal (the most efficient I've seen so far) is the part inside a hard drive with the neo(s) attached to it. Maybe you have an old hard drive lying around that can be sacrificed in the name of science?

Silly question, I have stripped down so many Hard drives I have lost count. Will have a go at chipping a magnet off the Mu-Metal.

Also got some Meta-Glas that I can try http://www.blockemf.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=757&products_id=5114

Will get back with results.

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 24, 2007, 09:11:55 PM
I'm so curious but for some misterious reason the download is taking forever. It's at 88% now. I'm over exited lol .... 92%.... 94%..... ahhhh hahaha .......
*waits more*

wow, what was one amazing demonstration.

Normal iron worked the best right? You clearly see it leap there.  ;)

I'm not sure if you placed the shield closer to the primary side.

Also got some Meta-Glas that I can try.
The trick is for the strip to conduct the flux from north to south of the magnet. There are 4 poles and they switch pairs.

The picture below shows how a flat magnet comes closer to the shield while a square one doesn't.

Do you feel a lot of resistance spinning the primary passed the shield?
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 24, 2007, 09:19:13 PM
Part 2 using Metglas and Mu-Metal

http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZeR-doing-Gabys-PM-switch-test-Part2.wmv

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 24, 2007, 09:24:56 PM
wow, what was one amazing demonstration.

Normal iron worked the best right? You clearly see it leap there.  ;)

I'm not sure if you placed the shield closer to the primary side.

The picture below shows how a flat magnet comes closer to the shield while a square one doesn't.

Do you feel a lot of resistance spinning the primary passed the shield?

Hi Gaby

I would say the Galvanised Steel worked good, as did the Zinc. But the Mu-Metal even though a funny shape had the best shielding.

You can feel the resistance difference Alot, must admit.

I made each plate as center as I could get it and would not say it was closer to either side. Must be the shaky camera angle LOL

I have only small cube magnets here, but if I have time tomorrow I may try and get a new rig setup too test with them.

Think it proves your theory is correct though and well done :)

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 24, 2007, 09:37:50 PM
lol I modified my post but my internet has taken half a day off so you wrote 2 in the same time.

The shielding should shield by conducting the flux rather then blocking it, like the core of a coil it should be highly ferromagnetic.

It should be placed closer to the primary side so that it will prefer taking on the field inducted from that side. 

I cant think of any other complaints right not. lol
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 24, 2007, 09:49:52 PM
Rather then placing the shielding on the domain wall the way wesley gary[1] did. The shield is placed out of the center so that it extends one of the 2 fields (see image)

[1] - http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/wesley-gary
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 24, 2007, 09:54:56 PM
Here is a drawing to illustrate why the shield is not placed in the center. :)

Will have a go with some small square Neo's tomorrow mate for you.
But I think you have proved your point and the saturation of the shield does stop the reaction on the opposite magnet.

Now show us how this could be used to get that free energy!!!

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 24, 2007, 10:02:52 PM
Now show us how this could be used to get that free energy!!!

You stick a big magnet on a small electromotor, place the shield next to it big generator at the other side..... I will draw...I will draw.... lol
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: Omnibus on November 24, 2007, 11:30:45 PM
Thanks Sean. What is obvious from the videos is that with some of the materials between the magnets the two magnets are not reciprocating. However, that still isn?t a proof that more energy is obtained from the left-hand magnet than the energy put in the right-hand one. For instance, in the excerpt I?ve posted here it is seen that the left-hand side magnet responds as expected up to frame 27. After frame 27 until frame 45 the left-hand side magnet isn?t responding at all to about 1/3 of a full rotation made by the right-hand side magnet. How do we know that to make that 1/3 of a full rotation there was no need to input more energy than the energy necessary to make the previous 1/3 of a full rotation of the right-hand side magnet? It can easily be speculated that because of the changed conditions (due to the specific material placed between the magnets) we were ?winding up?, pumping up that additional energy which made the left-hand side magnet to spin like crazy from frame 48 on up until frame 66.
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: Omnibus on November 24, 2007, 11:49:45 PM
Sorry, won't allow me to upload the excerpt but I think my point is clear anyway.
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 25, 2007, 02:12:12 AM
What is obvious from the videos is that with some of the materials between the magnets the two magnets are not reciprocating.

However, that still isn?t a proof

hey hey, I'm not the proof fairy. :P It's your job to make something workable out of it :) I will however try what ever I can do to buy you a ticket on the train of thought. Viewing a video doesn't mean you understand the effect. Not even doing the experiment gives an exact picture. I made this assumption, I tried it and it would be dishonest to say it didn't work exactly the way I expected.

All I did was stick a magnet on an axle and hold another one next to it and use the other hand to place the shield.

Because the side of a square magnet attracts just as much as the face - we may position the primary the way we like You can see in the video the primary doesn't want to spin backwards or anything, it wants to move towards the shield but it's attached to an axle so it's not going any place.

Now show us how this could be used to get that free energy!!!

You stick a big magnet on a small electromotor, place the shield next to it big generator at the other side.  I attached an image of the electrical setup we should work towards. Can make it as big as you like.  As long as it keeps spinning a big chunk of the load should just disappear in the coupling.  (At least that's what I expect to happen.)

I've also remixed your video :-)

Have to upload it some place... 1 moment
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: Omnibus on November 25, 2007, 02:25:31 AM
It would be interesting to see whether placing soft iron between a magnet spun by a DC motor makes a difference (produces more energy than the energy needed to spin the motor) when that spinning causes a magnet attached to a generator to spin. As the experiment is now, however, such conclusion (that spinning the primary magnet produces more energy in th secondary magnet) cannot be made with certainty.
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 25, 2007, 04:02:14 AM
It would be interesting to see whether placing soft iron between a magnet spun by a DC motor makes a difference (produces more energy than the energy needed to spin the motor) when that spinning causes a magnet attached to a generator to spin. As the experiment is now, however, such conclusion (that spinning the primary magnet produces more energy in th secondary magnet) cannot be made with certainty.

What I learn so far is that ferromagnetic materials shield better.

I've remixed the video here

http://forum.go-here.nl/viewtopic.php?p=452

What do you think, is it more clear like this? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4nDAuob2rQ
YouTube - Magnetmotor - flux switching

Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 25, 2007, 12:21:32 PM
Nice remix Gaby  ;D

Okay so let me get this right.

Take two motors and place a magnet on each.
Place a shield between the two with it closest to the primary.
Power primary motor up and spin primary magnet.
Secondary magnet will spin and play catch up.
Meaure output of Secondary motor?

Is this correct, or am I just not getting it?

Cheers

Sean.

Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: Low-Q on November 25, 2007, 01:03:07 PM
(http://magnetmotor.googlepages.com/counter-rotating-fields.gif)

Left is a primary axle with a magnet on top. Right is a secondary axle with a magnet on top. If there was no shield the secondary magnet would rotate along with the primary 1:1 With the shielding placed as illustrated (close to the domain wall a bit towards the primary side) the secondary magnet is is disconnected from the primary 2 times per rotation.

While the primary is facing the shield with both it's north and it's south pole (it's side) there isn't any flux propagated beyond it. Here the secondary axle stops and waits for the primary to move beyond this point. The moment the primary has moved beyond 50/50 induction the secondary will leap over the gap and catch up. The catching up power comes out of the magnet.

I can leave the primary in any position and it will just stay there. It's merely pulling the secondary into it's mirrored position when facing the shield. Should not be hard to test.  Just remember to place the conductor closer to the primary magnet.

I would like to get some feedback on this.

Conservation of energy talks should be addressed here  ;)

http://einsteinhoax.com


Why is the magnet on the right rotating in 45 degrees - 135 degrees - 45 degrees - 135 degrees etc.? Shouldn't it be 45 - 45 - 45 - 45 etc. but slower than the magnet on the left side?

Vidar
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: Low-Q on November 25, 2007, 02:42:16 PM
(http://magnetmotor.googlepages.com/counter-rotating-fields.gif)


I have investigated this a bit. When the magnets are pointing same polarity towards each other, it's possible to balance the forces to zero in x-plane. If you turn each magnet 45 degrees, clockwise for left and counter clockwise for right, the metal shielding between them will be forced up or down, the attraction between the magnets and the metal shield is also encreasing rapidly.
To be short: There is sticky spots which will force the magnets to "rest" in one or more particular possitions, so the rotation is not possible to do without using energy.

The same will happen when the magnets are round.

Vidar
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 25, 2007, 06:40:57 PM
(http://magnetmotor.googlepages.com/counter-rotating-fields.gif)
Left is a primary axle with a magnet on top. Right is a secondary axle with a magnet on top. If there was no shield the secondary magnet would rotate along with the primary 1:1 With the shielding placed as illustrated (close to the domain wall a bit towards the primary side) the secondary magnet is is disconnected from the primary 2 times per rotation.

While the primary is facing the shield with both it's north and it's south pole (it's side) there isn't any flux propagated beyond it. Here the secondary axle stops and waits for the primary to move beyond this point. The moment the primary has moved beyond 50/50 induction the secondary will leap over the gap and catch up. The catching up power comes out of the magnet.

I can leave the primary in any position and it will just stay there. It's merely pulling the secondary into it's mirrored position when facing the shield. Should not be hard to test.

Just remember to place the conductor closer to the primary magnet.
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3650.0;attach=14726;image)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/twomags.jpg)
12 different metal strips tested: Soft Aluminium, Brass, Copper, Mild Steel, Magnetic Stainless Steel, NON Magnetic Stainless Steel, Galvanised Steel, Hard Aluminium, Phosphor Bronze, Nickel Silver, Zinc Plated Mild Steel, Zinc
(http://www.overunity.org.uk/metals.jpg)

Movie showing all 12 metals being tested.
http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZeR-doing-Gabys-PM-switch-test.wmv
I've remixed the video here

http://forum.go-here.nl/viewtopic.php?p=452
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4nDAuob2rQ

square is better tho
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3650.0;attach=14725;image)

Will have a go with some small square Neo's tomorrow mate for you.
But I think you have proved your point and the saturation of the shield does stop the reaction on the opposite magnet.

Now show us how this could be used to get that free energy!!!

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3650.0;attach=14730;image)
You stick a big magnet on a small electromotor, place the shield next to it big generator at the other side.  I attached an image of the electrical setup we should work towards.

Can make it as big as you like.  As long as it keeps spinning a big chunk of the load should just disappear in the coupling.  (At least that's what I expect to happen.)
Nice remix Gaby  ;D

Okay so let me get this right.

Take two motors and place a magnet on each.
Place a shield between the two with it closest to the primary.
Power primary motor up and spin primary magnet.
Secondary magnet will spin and play catch up.
Measure output of Secondary motor?

Is this correct, or am I just not getting it?

Yeah, that would be exactly the picture I had in mind :)

I didn't build anything of the sort tho. I enjoy thinking about it to much. It doesn't look that way but there are already a lot of different effects in this simple device. I have other weird effects I'm looking at but this one looks great also.

John Ecklin spins a rotor closing the loop on a horse shoe magnet.
(http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/john-ecklin.png)
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/john-ecklin

He uses the flux to power a coil.

Wesley Gary inducts flux into a strip sitting between 2 magnets.
(http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/wesley-gary.png)
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/wesley-gary

I'm spinning Ecklin's magnet rather then then it's core and I'm using that to induct flux into Mr Gary's strip.

huhuhuhu
____
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 25, 2007, 06:41:07 PM
double post.
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 25, 2007, 08:13:58 PM
Will rig up a coupla small 12 volt DC motors this week and let ya know!

Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: Omnibus on November 25, 2007, 08:34:53 PM
Sean, I'm all ears--can't wait to see what happens. How are you going to measure the input and the output electric energy?
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 25, 2007, 08:40:39 PM
Sean, I'm all ears--can't wait to see what happens. How are you going to measure the input and the output electric energy?

Got a couple of DC motors rated 6-12V with 9.2v being nominal, so will feed it with a pwm to vary the speed and place an amp meter in line.

Then grab the output and place a amp meter and volt meter inline on the output followed by a variable load.

Still not 100% sure what I am meant to be seeing as it seems that the primary will be doing alot more work.
But as usual I can only go for the manual proof as my brain is not capable of doing the maths and theory and as usual I need to do the test manually.

We will see LOL
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 25, 2007, 09:26:20 PM
Got a couple of DC motors rated 6-12V with 9.2v being nominal, so will feed it with a pwm to vary the speed and place an amp meter in line. Then grab the output and place a amp meter and volt meter inline on the output followed by a variable load.

It should be easy enough?

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Still not 100% sure what I am meant to be seeing as it seems that the primary will be doing a lot more work.

Maybe to much "iron" for the size of the magnets.  You use a fixed distances and  a fixed magnet size. My magnets are probably weaker and more square. My shield is much thinner. I hold the primary and the shield with my hands.

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But as usual I can only go for the manual proof as my brain is not capable of doing the maths and theory and as usual I need to do the test manually. We will see LOL

Yes, I'm with you on this one. Why hurt the brain and make much much mistakes while doing so when we can have the actual real world results? It's like a dinner compared to a menu card?  :D In stead of windows movie maker we would be using excel? It would be horribly boring? lol

Have you tried the neo's jet? Just stick one on an axle and hold the rest with your hands. That will allow you to test different distances in the blink of an eye.  It would take a small army of mathematicians to equal it. Funny, but no joke.  :D

Try find a configuration where you are convinced a motor would work.  If you just build it  it won't have ideal configuration.

Lets try get it right the first time? That would be the joke of the day.
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 25, 2007, 09:38:47 PM
Try find a configuration where you are convinced a motor would work.  If you just build it  it won't have ideal configuration.

Lets try get it right the first time? That would be the joke of the day.

hehe if we could get it right the first time, it would be no fun  ;D ;D

I am gonna order some bigger cube magnets to place on the motor axles and make an adjustable shield mount so the distance can be varied.
Any suggestion on the size of the cubes? Ferro or Neo?


Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 25, 2007, 11:53:33 PM
Try find a configuration where you are convinced a motor would work.  If you just build it  it won't have ideal configuration. Lets try get it right the first time? That would be the joke of the day.
hehe if we could get it right the first time, it would be no fun  ;D ;D
I agree, we would probably be very confused what to do. We should probably get there slowly leaving a big heap of hypothesis, drawings youtube videos, machines etc - ART   ;)
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I am gonna order some bigger cube magnets to place on the motor axles and make an adjustable shield mount so the distance can be varied.
Any suggestion on the size of the cubes? Ferro or Neo?
You have anymore of those flat magnets? You can always stack 2 or 3. Not sure why it took me 2 days to come up with this. lol
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 26, 2007, 02:45:18 AM
As the experiment is now, however, such conclusion (that spinning the primary magnet produces more energy in th secondary magnet) cannot be made with certainty.

I'm facinated by how weird this effect is. How hard it is to explain away what happens.

Here are the 2 patents :-)

<a href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=HW0xAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PP2&ci=148,177,777,532&source=bookclip"><img src="http://www.google.com/patents?id=HW0xAAAAEBAJ&pg=PP2&img=1&zoom=4&hl=en&sig=E9_vqwPWKvTIpuC5Qj59Ds_0ppo&ci=148,177,777,532&edge=1" border="0" alt="Text not available"/></a><br/><a href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=HW0xAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PP2&ci=148,177,777,532&source=bookclip">PERMANENT MAGNET MOTION CONVERSION DEVICE&nbsp;John W. Ecklin</a>
<a href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=hxxoAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PP1&ci=94,713,751,619&source=bookclip"><img src="http://www.google.com/patents?id=hxxoAAAAEBAJ&pg=PP1&img=1&zoom=4&hl=en&sig=vMks9J8xZ1MyU7Eiif6VW7Bi_uw&ci=94,713,751,619&edge=1" border="0" alt="Text not available"/></a><br/><a href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=hxxoAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PP1&ci=94,713,751,619&source=bookclip">VIOTORS&nbsp;WESLEY- W. GABY</a>
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 27, 2007, 04:26:28 PM
Well started on the magnet mounts onto the motors today.

Find below the pictures of progress so far.

Next on the list is to mount the motors on some board with an adjustable shield and wire up my Pulse Motor controller to vary the speed.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/mot1.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/mot2.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/mot3.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/mot4.jpg)

More to come.

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 27, 2007, 05:00:30 PM
Mounted on board and a small movie showing the movement.

Got a little play in the magnet stacks as you can see in the video has they are slanting a little. I might go mill some end caps out for them, to keep them squarer.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk./mot5.jpg)

link to video

http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZeRS-2-Motors-Layout.wmv

Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 27, 2007, 05:19:28 PM
Right your shout on this one Gaby so:

What distance should I place the two motors/magnets apart from each other, at the moment they are pretty close and fair bit of pressure to turn it by hand. Should they be further apart and hence turn easy?

Tried a piece of steel between them and at the distance they are it just ignores the steel. If I place a big bit of steel sheeting in there it does what expected as video below:

http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZeRS-2-Motors-shielding.wmv

Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 27, 2007, 06:20:55 PM
Another quick one.

Have made the end caps for the magnet blocks and press fitted in a vice to get them nice and square, now solid as a rock now :)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/mot6.jpg)

Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 27, 2007, 08:16:49 PM
When I have a lot of pages open overunity wouldn't load and I get some problem with one of the advert servers. I've closed everything now. Sorry it took me so long.

Right your shout on this one Gaby so:

What distance should I place the two motors/magnets apart from each other, at the moment they are pretty close and fair bit of pressure to turn it by hand. Should they be further apart and hence turn easy?

The right distance depends on the strength of the magnets and the flux capacitance of the shield. I have no idea how fast it can be made to work. I always keep the testatica device in mind, that was suppose to run very slowly.

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Tried a piece of steel between them and at the distance they are it just ignores the steel. If I place a big bit of steel sheeting in there it does what expected as video below:

http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZeRS-2-Motors-shielding.wmv


Nice,
it's hard to see how much closer the shield sits to the primary side. It's the difference in flux that generates the effect.  The primary should induct flux into the shield while the secondary side does not.

It would be ideal to have a contraption where you can change the distances easy.

I think you should be able to feel and examine the effect using your hands. If anything will help getting it right that will be it.

I wish I could be of more assistance.

Maybe some related thoughts would be useful. Have a look at this idea.

http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor-drawing
gabydewilde - magnetmotor drawing

http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor-theory
gabydewilde - magnetmotor theory

It's basically the same thing under an angle. This invention requires very exact speed control. The primary magnet would ideally be on an arm but I bet it will be interesting to try it using the shielding.

This doesn't have much to do with it but here is another idea
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1568.msg61642.html#msg61642

I'm also working at a SMOT and a magnetic pendulum design.

I'm sure you would want to build all of it  :D If cost is a problem let us hear ok?

anyway, keep up the good work :-)

Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 28, 2007, 02:25:08 AM
thinking of eddy currents etc I was just playing with adding the shield to the side of the magnet. This seems to give the same effect :)

Here is the theory:

The primary side only offers a north pole OR a south pole Or nothing at all. The secondary side offers both it's north and it's south pole Or just one of the 2. It means the primary side can only push or pull. But the secondary is pushing AND pulling at the same time. But like I said the primary can only push or pull! That means that if the secondary is doing 2 things those 2 things will need to translate back into one thing. Their sum is either a push or a pull. Adding up positive and negative numbers doesn't give us a higher figure :-) hahaha!!!

If this is true physicists will have to hide behind the sofa till the end of time? I have already begun making fun of them. But it turned out to be quite a good description so excuse my bad language.

http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/joe-goat-horse.pdf

I think it's a fun read. :-)
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 28, 2007, 04:10:09 PM
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The steel is a better guider of magnetism than the air and that is why the magnetic flux chooses to travel through the steel and you are cutting the field short!
http://www.fdp.nu/perendev/
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 28, 2007, 04:15:51 PM
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There is no known material that blocks magnetic fields without itself being attracted to the magnetic force. Magnetic fields can only be redirected, not created or removed. To do this, high-permeability shielding alloys are used. The magnetic field lines are strongly attracted into the shielding material.
http://www.magnetic-shield.com/faq/index.html
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: CLaNZeR on December 04, 2007, 09:57:31 PM
Sorry for the delay on this one Gaby, I will get back to it.

Been tied up making a Pyramid LOL

http://trawoeger-pyramide.info/mirror/index.php/board,16.0.html

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: hartiberlin on December 21, 2007, 03:28:59 AM
Hi All,
Hi Gaby, nice documentation work and great videos Clanzer.
maybe it would be easier to see any OU effect,
if you place  the wobbling left magnet into an aircore coil
like in a unit like this :
http://www.freelights.co.uk/

and then use a weight going down in the earth gravity field  with a string
to propell a flywheel for the right driving magnet.

This way you know via Energy= mass x heightdifference x g
how much energy you have been putting into the driving magnet
and then charge up from the wobbling left magnet a capacitor via
rectifier bridge and measure the voltage at it and
compare the energy from it via Cap Energy= 0.5 x C x Voltage^2

Now will this cap energy be higher than the used potential energy
to propell the flywheel up to speed and turning the driving magnet ?

I think this setup depends again very much to the exact dimension
of the shield and the magnets, so it must be very precise to get any OU out of
it like the SMOT. Very hard to build and it depends much on the used shield material..

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: supersam on December 21, 2007, 05:17:17 AM
@all,

can you get it?  first maybe the question should be, if you stopped the movement of the stator and the rotor on any magnetic rotor with physical force could you use it like a hammer on a lever? 

my idea is to take the momentum of all the magnets, and the wheel, that is accelerating during the first part of the 345 degrees, of the 360 degrees, and smack a lever to get it past the sticky point?  it sure seems possible by newtonian physics, which can also be studied right here.

watch the monkey go way high when the guy jumps off the tower to the lever at the circus.

lol
sam
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: supersam on December 21, 2007, 05:33:26 AM
@all,

now lets put the monkey on the end of a string at the end of the lever, on the tetter todder.  watch out we might have a gravity wheel?

lol
sam

ps:  use the whip action for acceleration of a smaller mass!!!
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: JoinTheFun on December 23, 2007, 10:20:39 PM
(Just looking at the title, my immediate thought was, yes, of course you can switch of a PM, by heating it past its Curie point, using (dish or Fresnel lens) concentrated solar. Let it cool down and it's on again.)
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: one on January 03, 2008, 08:28:13 AM
gaby, can you show an actual experiment doing this?

I will  ;D

I knew the Kiss Rig would come in handy again  ;)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/twomags.jpg)

12 different metal strips tested:

Soft Aluminium
Brass
Copper
Mild Steel
Magnetic Stainless Steel
NON Magnetic Stainless Steel
Galvanised Steel
Hard Aluminium
Phosphor Bronze
Nickel Silver
Zinc Plated Mild Steel
Zinc

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/metals.jpg)


Movie showing all 12 metals being tested.

http://www.overunity.org.uk/CLaNZeR-doing-Gabys-PM-switch-test.wmv

Cheers

Sean.


Gaby

What  you are  doing  reminds me of the gary effect

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/gary.htm

http://www.centuryinter.net/tjs11/church/gary.htm


gary  describes   a null  zone  in between   the magnets ..........  Howard  Johnson   described and mapped   the same kind of null  zone in his  book   The Secret World of Magnets    http://www.cheniere.org/sales/buy-ma.htm


gary 
Title: Re: swhich permanent magnet on and off
Post by: gaby de wilde on January 06, 2008, 01:29:47 PM

Gaby

What  you are  doing  reminds me of the gary effect

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/gary.htm

http://www.centuryinter.net/tjs11/church/gary.htm


gary  describes   a null  zone  in between   the magnets ..........  Howard  Johnson   described and mapped   the same kind of null  zone in his  book   The Secret World of Magnets    http://www.cheniere.org/sales/buy-ma.htm


gary 

Yes, this is related. I suggest putting the shield out of the center so that it favors to adopts the flux from that side. :-)

@clanser
I was doing other stuff. lol But we've created a good end product.

Peeps can work at this now :-)

I'm sure it can be made to work, I kinda doubt if it has much potential tho.

I'm looking into a hundred other things.

Here is one :-)
http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/negative-drag
gabydewilde - negative drag

Going to look at your pyramid now...