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Author Topic: COLD FUSION REACTION OVERUNITY  (Read 11635 times)


Offline jeffc

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Re: COLD FUSION REACTION OVERUNITY
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2007, 03:00:30 AM »

Check out this PRESS RELEASE

http://uspolitics.einnews.com/pr-news/9709-inventor-cracked-cold-fusion-reaction-fuel-from-water-system-developed

Big claims on the site.  And appears to be looking for funding.  Hopefully not a scam. 

If I understand correctly, they have only filed a provisional patent application, which means we probably won't see the published application for a long time.  Until then, I doubt they will reveal much detail about "how" the technology works, although they could without loosing the protection of their "priority date" when the applicaiton is filed.

Just as information:
- provisional application can be filed and then inventer can wait max 12 months
- provisional application only has to have small amount of information about the invention, and is not required to make "claims" (claims are what you are given patent #s for)
- by last day of 12 months, inventor has to file non-provisional patent application (this is regular application, same as if you didn't file provisional)
- after non-provisional application is filed, the application will be published in about 6 months, unless you don't claim the date of the provisional application then it will publish in 18 months
- sometime after publication, USPTO will schedule examination
- time after this depends on complexity of the patent application and how busy the people are in the part of USPTO which reviews your invention type
- some time in the future you get a response about your patent from examiner, then you might have to answer questions or make some changes
- then someday, you either get one or more patent # for your appliation, or you get told no patent

Doesn't sound fun, does it?

Anyway, I'm not sure why hopecell posted here unless to find investment.  Unless they are willing to issue NDA's to inventors/scientists here and share information in order to validate their claims.  This would certainly help them raise money.  But anyway, this is an opensource technology site so really not in the spirit of our goals here.

Regards,
jeffc

Offline hansvonlieven

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Re: COLD FUSION REACTION OVERUNITY
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2007, 11:24:08 PM »
My first impression when I saw the site:

All smoke and mirrors.

Reading all of it did not change my mind.

Hans von Lieven

Offline jeffc

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Re: COLD FUSION REACTION OVERUNITY
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2007, 10:09:45 AM »
My first impression when I saw the site:

All smoke and mirrors.

Reading all of it did not change my mind.

Hans von Lieven

Hans,
It is unfortunate that some people go to such effort to scam hopeful people out of their money.  We can only be hopeful it  isn't the case with this cold fusion claim, but as you said it doesn't look good from the start.

Regards,
jeffc

Offline hopecell

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Re: COLD FUSION REACTION OVERUNITY
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2007, 03:17:35 PM »

Please check PRESS RELEASE  in NEWS section posted 23.11.07 as answer to your doubts.

 You will be notify of further developments. Any other question - I'll be happy to answer.

Best luck and all the best
hopecell  Robert V

Offline hansvonlieven

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Re: COLD FUSION REACTION OVERUNITY
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2007, 11:26:00 PM »
G'day hopecell,

The news release raises more doubts than what is answers, so does your website.

Hans von Lieven

Offline hopecell

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Re: COLD FUSION REACTION OVERUNITY
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2007, 12:42:53 AM »

G'day Hans

Have you receive copy of IP Australia?

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Re: COLD FUSION REACTION OVERUNITY
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2007, 02:43:48 AM »
no hopecell,

I have not my e-mail is hans@keelytech.com , if you would sen me a copy I would be obliged

Thanks
Hans von Lieven

Offline hopecell

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Re: COLD FUSION REACTION OVERUNITY
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2007, 03:12:17 AM »

I have just resend copy of IP Australia

With regards
Robert V Hope cell

Offline shruggedatlas

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Re: COLD FUSION REACTION OVERUNITY
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2007, 06:35:55 AM »

Check out this PRESS RELEASE

http://uspolitics.einnews.com/pr-news/9709-inventor-cracked-cold-fusion-reaction-fuel-from-water-system-developed

First of all, the article is an advertisement posing as a press release.  What article starts off with "INVESTORS WANTED?"

Second, the name of the company the article refers to matches your nick, so you are clearly just a shill.

Scam.

Offline hopecell

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Re: COLD FUSION REACTION OVERUNITY
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2007, 06:59:39 AM »

Can you remeber what was response 18 years ago on Flaishman & Ponds claims? I am aware that news will produce reactions like yours, sory backyard inventors.
In another hand there is wall of silence and information blocking I am facing, not to mention regular "scaning" of my computer and place I'm living, so I have not other option but to go public in form I am going, just to protect my self and family. First thing I intent to do after patenting process alow me, is to give technology on independent review and then publish input/output data for cell as per those review results.

Hope cell (stands for cell it self not an company and present
Hydrogen / Oxygen / Plasma / Electrolyser and is developed as private venture)

Have nice day

Robert Vancina HOPE Cell

Offline hansvonlieven

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Re: COLD FUSION REACTION OVERUNITY
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2007, 08:33:41 AM »
G'day Robert,

Thanks for the documents, only two of them were legible. They don't tell me much. They describe in vague terms a device similar to the one tested by Jean Paul Naudin, a simple plasma electrolyser arrangement. There is something said about some control mechanism but it is not described, neither is the main device illustrated or specified.

I wish I could say something different but the whole thing still appears as thin as it did when I first looked at it. I am posting the two pages here so everyone can see what I am talking about. As you told me in your e-mail that you had unsuccessfully tried to post the pages on this forum I don't feel I am breaching any confidence.

I need more data if you want me to evaluate your project.

Hans von Lieven

EDIT: It is unfair to compare your project with Fleischmann and Pons. They disclosed exactly what they did. You say nothing about that device of yours. It is the lack of data we are criticising, not the alleged device.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2007, 07:54:33 PM by hansvonlieven »

Offline shruggedatlas

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Re: COLD FUSION REACTION OVERUNITY
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2007, 03:10:15 PM »

Can you remeber what was response 18 years ago on Flaishman & Ponds claims? I am aware that news will produce reactions like yours, sory backyard inventors.
In another hand there is wall of silence and information blocking I am facing, not to mention regular "scaning" of my computer and place I'm living, so I have not other option but to go public in form I am going, just to protect my self and family. First thing I intent to do after patenting process alow me, is to give technology on independent review and then publish input/output data for cell as per those review results.

Hope cell (stands for cell it self not an company and present
Hydrogen / Oxygen / Plasma / Electrolyser and is developed as private venture)

Have nice day

Robert Vancina HOPE Cell

To counteract the scanning of the place where you live, I recommend TINFOIL ON THE HEAD.  Then, they can only scan the apartment - they cannot scan your brain.  Make sure it covers the ears.

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Re: COLD FUSION REACTION OVERUNITY
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2007, 01:50:10 PM »

Can you remeber what was response 18 years ago on Flaishman & Ponds claims? I am aware that news will produce reactions like yours, sory backyard inventors.
In another hand there is wall of silence and information blocking I am facing, not to mention regular "scaning" of my computer and place I'm living, so I have not other option but to go public in form I am going, just to protect my self and family. First thing I intent to do after patenting process alow me, is to give technology on independent review and then publish input/output data for cell as per those review results.

Hope cell (stands for cell it self not an company and present
Hydrogen / Oxygen / Plasma / Electrolyser and is developed as private venture)

Have nice day

Robert Vancina HOPE Cell

To counteract the scanning of the place where you live, I recommend TINFOIL ON THE HEAD.  Then, they can only scan the apartment - they cannot scan your brain.  Make sure it covers the ears.
To counteract the scanning of the place where you live, I recommend TINFOIL ON THE HEAD.  Then, they can only scan the apartment - they cannot scan your brain.  Make sure it covers the ears.
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it is sad to read comments like that on a site where everybody deals with unusual phenomena and technology.
again not necessary; who knows, there might be something valid in every posting, but certainly not in mockery and insult...


Offline shruggedatlas

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Re: COLD FUSION REACTION OVERUNITY
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2007, 03:25:07 PM »
it is sad to read comments like that on a site where everybody deals with unusual phenomena and technology.
again not necessary; who knows, there might be something valid in every posting, but certainly not in mockery and insult...

On the contrary, mockery of scammers is useful.  This guys is asking for money on the thinnest of evidence.  Publicly mocking him may prevent someone from getting duped.