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Author Topic: Final Draft - Linnard Griffin Hydrogen Reactor Experiment Report  (Read 81482 times)


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Re: Final Draft - Linnard Griffin Hydrogen Reactor Experiment Report
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2008, 01:45:27 AM »
As far as the drilling of the holes in the glass, I just let the glass company do that for me. No playing around and wasting my time and materials learning how to do it myself. Thermite or molten lead I don't really want to play with.

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Re: Final Draft - Linnard Griffin Hydrogen Reactor Experiment Report
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2008, 10:02:14 AM »
Hi Group, RR,

Drilling holes in glass is easy if you have a drill press.
Mount a piece of rigid copper plumbing tubing the size of your hole and use a pinch of sand lite pressure and water...
Go very slow,  you can drill through glass blocks and other things, if you wish this way.



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Re: Final Draft - Linnard Griffin Hydrogen Reactor Experiment Report
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2008, 06:41:35 AM »
Hi TwoHawks,

I do appreciate your kind words, everyone has been very supportive with ideas and words and it really makes all the time and effort and expense worth it for me.

I have been experimenting with the glass/plexiglas materials ideas and the conclusion I am reaching is that the materials all expand and contract at different rates and amounts, and leaks are the ongoing problem. The reactor needs to be one material, either that or any interface between touching materials needs to be filled with a material like a rubber gasket or rubber stopper or some type of material that expands and contracts and fills in gaps. Ideally it would need to be all glass now, but drilling holes in glass is very, very difficult. It fractures and chips so easily. This has been the hardest part so far in the whole project. I am not a glassblower and the last reactor gave me nothing but trouble with gaskets. They ALWAYS leaked.

I was thinking it would probably be ideal if it was all tungsten carbide, but then it would cost a small fortune, and unless there was some type of sight-glass nothing inside the reactor could be seen. Then the interface problem would show up again as leaks.

If I could drill the holes in glass more expertly, then that would be half the battle. The rest could be built like a fish tank.

No videos because there is no sense in posting failures. I want to see this working, then I will write another paper and document it all as clearly as I can. I am learning as I go, so everyone please have patience. The last reactor took months and months to finally complete. This one looks like it will take a while too. Sorry, it is the reality of the situation.

Trying my best with what I have.

Thanks for the interest.

You can have a glass or plastic vessel blown.  I don't know where you are, but there are some companies adjacent to los angeles that can do that. 

Whatever they make can be tempered afterwards. Holes put in before tempering. 

If you want to deal with plate glass, you can have thick plate with holes bored and then tempered.  Then all you need are o-rings and a external clamping system.



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Re: Final Draft - Linnard Griffin Hydrogen Reactor Experiment Report
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2008, 10:13:08 PM »
So the total amount of energy used for regeneration is approximately only 10% of the total output of the fuel cells.


I have a history of being banned from web forums; reasons may become clear soon enough.

That can be expressed with units of power?


10 watts input equals 100 watts output?

Input/Output is 1/10

Output/Input is 10/1

Input < Output

Many people assume something to be something else; i.e. falsehood or ignorance.


So, simplifying this, they're breaking water into hydrogen and oxygen and then burning hydrogen and oxygen to create water. This is, of course, possible, but you can't get more energy out of the system than you put in. Otherwise, it's simply a perpetual motion machine.

The obvious slight of hand above concerns what amounts to a Straw-Man or Man of Straw argument (for the sake of argument or some other nefarious stupidity).

Example (Straw-Man)

A car that runs on water can place the tail pipe into the intake manifold and run forever or produce even more water while it is running!

Eventually the world will flood like the movie Waterworld.

The slight of hand, Straw-Man, is easily debunked as an idiot, on purpose.

Back to the quote from that Eco-Geek Link:

Until someone puts a box on their driveway and it generates more power than goes into it...everyone who says you can power a car with water is either a fool or trying to take someone else's money.

Case closed?


Who thinks that politicians are honest and therefore politicians can?t be trusted to lie ? when needed?

I?m here to offer a few words in support of science.

The ratio sounds good, very good indeed. In simple terms, again, for us less than practiced scientists:

1 to 10

1 watt in will produce 10 watts out

1 watt of expense in electric currency will produce 10 watts output of fuel?

Note: Above should read 1 watt of expense in fuel (metal) will produce 10 watts of output in electricity?

Note 2: Above should read 1 watt of expense in fuel (water) will produce 10 watts of output in electricty?

All components being regenerated except the water which is consumed.

I?ll go back to the link and look for more particulars.

Thanks and remember that the authorities are often wrong ? on purpose.
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Re: Final Draft - Linnard Griffin Hydrogen Reactor Experiment Report
« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2008, 10:05:26 AM »
Hi !

I read your posts with interest. Thank you for valuable information and superb efforts.
Reg. electronbic circuitry for the device, I wish to help you, as I am from electronics field. In fact, we are building PWMs for HHO researchers.

I will be glad to assist you and anyone on this forum in any manner.




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Re: Final Draft - Linnard Griffin Hydrogen Reactor Experiment Report
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2009, 12:12:56 AM »
As far as melting glass I have seen one really smart trick on youtube. Take a sheet of glass (or wineglass as he used) and heat it with something (could be an acetylene burner)  until it begins to glow ( it only needs to change the color slightly).
Then, you put it in a microwave oven ... ;D

No actually I'm serious. Because when you heated the glass until it glowed, you caused the material in it to ionize ( I think that was what he said anyway). Then, in the oven, the microwaves will only be absorbed in the conducting material which is the ionized glass.
This will soon cause the glass to glow white and melt, but only from where it was hottest.
I think you could use this in a precision cut such as hole, at least it would be nice and smooth.

The best part is that this is extremely cheap and easy for everyone who has a microwave oven and something to cut steel with.

Btw, you did an excellent job on the experiment documentation/conclusion!