Author Topic: Its cold winter time, so what is the best OU heater design ? (Read 13111 times)

hartiberlin · « **on:** November 13, 2007, 04:17:49 PM »

Hi All,
over here in Germany we have now very low temperatures and
many people, who still have no zentral heatings in their flat have to buy now
coal or gas for heating purposes...

So what is now the best overunity heater design one can build right now ?

Anything with cold fusion ?

Any HHO heater design to generate more heat than directly heating with electricity ?

Many thanks.

Super · « **Reply #1 on:** November 13, 2007, 08:43:04 PM »

Yes there is ... MAHG (Moller's Atomic Hydrogen Generator) needs low temperature (e.g. cold water) to be most powerful.

1 KWH current -> about 15 Cent, 1 KWH gas -> about 5 Cent => efficiency of MAHG (uses electricity 1KWH ) -> COP of 21

15 / 21 = 7 Cent for 21 KWH -> 0.34 Cent per KWH of warm/hot water (milkmaid calculation

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IronHead · « **Reply #2 on:** November 13, 2007, 09:00:43 PM »

As far as a buildable planned system I have to agree with the MAHG. This is a fairly easy build.
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/mahg/index.htm

Cold Fusion is much more complex at a higher cost,and does not always work or is not as stable.
At least from the work I have done from 2003 till now.

IronHead

utilitarian · « **Reply #3 on:** November 14, 2007, 04:29:24 AM »

I recommend the Dutch Oven. I am not convinced it is overunity, as we have to calculate the calories in the cabbage consumed versus the change in temperature under the covers. But it is close to overunity, I am sure. . . . . .

TheOne · « **Reply #4 on:** November 14, 2007, 04:48:36 AM »

Quote from: Super on November 13, 2007, 08:43:04 PM

Yes there is ... MAHG (Moller's Atomic Hydrogen Generator) needs low temperature (e.g. cold water) to be most powerful.

1 KWH current -> about 15 Cent, 1 KWH gas -> about 5 Cent => efficiency of MAHG (uses electricity 1KWH ) -> COP of 21

15 / 21 = 7 Cent for 21 KWH -> 0.34 Cent per KWH of warm/hot water (milkmaid calculation )

This sound like a great device, can you explain how exactly it work?

thanks

TheOne · « **Reply #5 on:** November 14, 2007, 05:56:12 AM »

lol,

Ok i think i heard about this long time ago, let me explain it about how i think it work and correct me if i am wrong.

The hydrogen is created then, in a reactor the hydrogen explode and create heat, the reactor have water around it heating up the water in a separated container. after the explosion the steam or what is left is recombine into water return back to where the water get separated into hydrogen?

argona369 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 14, 2007, 06:44:36 AM »

Hi Harti,

what about better insulation/ draft proofing?
and what about PV? Germany is #1 in PV yes?

from northern Canada,
Cliff.

ps, no solar here btw, we have cheap gas and oil (for now)

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 14, 2007, 07:03:20 AM »

@ Stefan:

I live in a small apartment. I am heating now with 2 (and up to 4) old fashioned oil lamps. (The lamps cost me about $8.00 each USD) I don't know their BTU output but, the other night is was 32 degrees F outside and 72 degrees F inside. I found that I can buy the oil for $3.50/gal (USD) and I only need to run them for a few hours each night. My electric heating system is very efficient as my electric bill only runs about $30/month. (USD) This is not overunity but, it is working well for me and I am heating 900 square feet and raising the temp. some 40 degrees or so. Plus, as a side benefit, I get a lot of light. Have to be careful of oxygen depletion though but, so far, not a problem. From my experience thus far, I calculate that I can heat for a month using about 2.5 gallons, which would be about $10.50 per month oil costs. Not too bad. I know Germany gets colder sooner and probably lower temperatures than we get here in Kentucky but, not a bad supplemental heat/light source even if not overunity. So far, I have not turned on my electric heat at all.

Bill

hartiberlin · « **Reply #8 on:** November 14, 2007, 10:54:33 PM »

Hi Bill,
what exact lamps do you use ?
Website address?

I am still looking for lamps or laterns that can be run from saladoil or normal
cooking oil,as heating oil over here is almost more expensive than cheap salat oil
from the supermarket...

I just checked some prices and with delivery you pay around 100 Euros for 100
Liters of heating oil.
Plantoil ( saladoil) can be got already for around 75 cents/Liter.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #9 on:** November 14, 2007, 11:26:27 PM »

Quote from: TheOne on November 14, 2007, 04:48:36 AM

Quote from: Super on November 13, 2007, 08:43:04 PM
Yes there is ... MAHG (Moller's Atomic Hydrogen Generator) needs low temperature (e.g. cold water) to be most powerful.

1 KWH current -> about 15 Cent, 1 KWH gas -> about 5 Cent => efficiency of MAHG (uses electricity 1KWH ) -> COP of 21

15 / 21 = 7 Cent for 21 KWH -> 0.34 Cent per KWH of warm/hot water (milkmaid calculation )

This sound like a great device, can you explain how exactly it work?

thanks

Here are the blueprints:

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/mahg/diagram.htm

Question is, why nobody has tried to build one yet besides Naudin and Moller ?

Maybe one could just modify a incandescent bulb by burning a hole into its
glas wall and fill it up with H2 from an electrolysis unit ?

How does one safely get to burn a hole into an incandescent bulb
or saw off the plug from it, so one could fill in H2 and close and seal
it up again with special glue ?
What glue would be best to stand the temperatures ?

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2007, 01:31:48 AM »

Stefan:

They are just regular run of the mill oil lamps that I purchased locally (not on line) a couple from Walmart and the other 2 from K-Mart. I am sure they are made in China, like everything else. I paid very little for these lamps and when I did look on line, the prices were about 10 times higher than what I paid. I am sure they were better quality lamps but, hey, mine work fine.

I did a Google and read about lamp oils and found that the regular oil lamps don't really burn oil, it is K-1 kerosene, which is called paraffin oil in Europe) or some use low oder mineral spirits. From what I read, olive oil, cooking oil, etc is too thick to climb the wick for a consistant burn. Over here, I can buy the "lamp oil" by the gallon cheaper than kerosene or cooking oil anyway. If you need more info, I can post some links but, I just searched google for a few minutes.

Bill

retrod · « **Reply #11 on:** November 15, 2007, 02:04:13 AM »

I've only seen one simple lamp designed to burn salad or olive oil. $14.95 US

http://www.lehmans.com/jump.jsp?itemType=PRODUCT&itemID=474

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 15, 2007, 07:16:31 AM »

[urlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_lamp][/url]
http://lanternnet.com/
http://www.alpharubicon.com/primitive/oillampsstryder.html

@ Stefan:

Above are a few links that you might find helpful.

Bill

jeanna · « **Reply #13 on:** December 10, 2007, 08:39:08 PM »

Quote from: hartiberlin on November 14, 2007, 10:54:33 PM

Hi Bill,
what exact lamps do you use ?
Website address?

I am still looking for lamps or laterns that can be run from saladoil or normal
cooking oil,as heating oil over here is almost more expensive than cheap salat oil
from the supermarket...

I just checked some prices and with delivery you pay around 100 Euros for 100
Liters of heating oil.
Plantoil ( saladoil) can be got already for around 75 cents/Liter.

The design is pretty easy. The main part is that the salad oil needs more air than the oil lamp lampoils do.
All you need to do is make a holder to hold a cotton wick above the oil level such that the bottom of the wick is wet with the oil. I used a heavy copper wire borrowed from my electronics workbox, made a flat spiral to make it steady and stand up by itself then extended the wire straight up and twirled a loop to hold the top of the wick. It works just fine. Olive oil is nice corn oil is supposed to be terribly smokey. The only time I ever smell the olive oil is when the oil runs out and the light extinguishes in a little puff of smoke.

jeanna

jeanna · « **Reply #14 on:** December 10, 2007, 09:04:58 PM »

Quote from: TheOne on November 14, 2007, 05:56:12 AM

lol,

Ok i think i heard about this long time ago, let me explain it about how i think it work and correct me if i am wrong.

The hydrogen is created then, in a reactor the hydrogen explode and create heat, the reactor have water around it heating up the water in a separated container. after the explosion the steam or what is left is recombine into water return back to where the water get separated into hydrogen?

I came to this great forum today because I just reread Lyne's book last night and wondered if anybody here has made a copy. I guess Lyne is pretty angry because Moller took his idea without referencing him.

As I understand it you are right Sylvain up to the end. The single H atoms are ignited in a chamber filled with H2 but without Oxygen . The spark makes a tremendous amount of heat and produces H2 which is then recycled to be re electrolysed to single H atoms and returned to the tungsten spark chamber to be remade into H2.

Lyne claims that the true figures involved in the reaction have been obsured and that the reaction produces a large amount of excess heat way over the amount used. If he is right this is the overunity device we all are looking for. Light, heat, and propulsion all in one device.

The book is called "Occult Ether Physics: Tesla's hidden Space Propulsion System and the Conspiracy to Conceal it. ISBN 0-9637467-6-6 Published by Creatopia Productions 1997 William Lyne. Lyne rants a lot but he has enough information in the book to allow a welder to build one. He has a website called space aliens I'm sure you can get it from him there. search "space aliens"

jeanna

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