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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2007, 07:51:47 PM »
Thanks allcanadian

That is some fantastic info in your last post. I'll do alot more checking it out. The part about spinning water just came up on WaterFuel1978@yahoogroups.com where they are making massive amounts of gas in seconds not minutes. Ya otta check it out. Very interesting.

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« Reply #46 on: February 23, 2007, 08:10:21 PM »
I should have mentioned as well that Victor.S made huge leaps in technology within a few years, at this exact time he was researching static generators(lord Kelvin) and hydrolysis of water vapor. From this point on he used water vapor exclusively, it was said the vapor was so fine it could only be detected with a mirror. So Im guessing a very fine water mist with large static charges applied will seperate into H and O under large centripital or centrrifugal forces. Everyone is always talking about how it is almost impossible to convert free static charges to useable power in an electrical circuit. So do away with the circuit, have the charges do work in a process, then harness the process.
Im going to start with the basic tests VS did when he started making huge leaps forward, that is oppositely charged spinning vapor streams. I don't want to hog your thread so I'll start a new one somewhere in the forum.
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« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2007, 10:09:04 AM »
Very interesting addition that will be.......

I've read that book I hope you are already at the group:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/viktorschaubergergroup/

You will see my effort at making a repulsin out of a radiocontrolled motor

About this treath idnick's info is unvaluable ........but for the time beign I just don't have a machine to make all of this , so I have to figure out other ways.

Good Luck



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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2007, 10:09:04 AM »
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« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2007, 06:46:49 PM »
Sorry bout the screw up kukulcangod.

Google this link:

  groups.yahoo.com/group/WaterFuel1978/

Dave

"About this treath idnick's info is unvaluable "  ???  "treath"  This mean thread? Good luck. You'll find it  ;)

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« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2007, 08:35:23 PM »
Yesterday I finally made the connection between static charge and implosion.
Brown's Gas! 2H2O2 
VS used catalytic metals(copper/silver) to induce huge charges in a spinning stream of fine water vapor.
What is even more interesting is that charge(current or static charge)seperates water into 2H2O2, if you ignite the mixture with a spark it implodes by a ratio of something like 1800:1, it turns back into water without a large heat reaction. But there's more, when it implodes the electrical energy that made the gas is released as a huge static charge.So here is the reaction sequence-

- Add current or static charge to heated or rapidly moving water vapor(heat is motion)
- gasses seperate at ratio of 1:1800 Victors cold expansion? YES
- move gasses to confined area and ignite
- implosion pulls huge suction at ratio of 1800:1, gasses turn to water without large heat reaction- Victors Hot contraction? YES
- A turbine harnesses the motion of the incoming gasses to  power a generator
- The static charge initially put into the gas is released and conducted with metal piping to the incoming water vapor/air- conservation of energy
- so the electrical process in balanced but the motion of the air/water vapor is not, it is a continuous cycle.
---- But what would this machine look like??
Looks like the machine below Victor's Patent#145141 fits the bill exactly!!

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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2007, 08:42:52 PM »
Fascinating! hmmm  where to begin.

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« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2007, 09:45:20 PM »
Exactly! hold on a minute while I whip a few of these puppy's up.
Can you say engineering problem from hell!
There's got to be an easier design to make this process happen.

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« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2007, 09:46:42 PM »
There is , I will have a few 3d models in a couple days to help explain an efficient design using modern day parts.

Ok I got it. Lets start with cold vaporized water of super fine mist using ultrasonic fogger :)



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« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2007, 09:55:57 PM »
Remember there are issues of embrittlement, large pressure/temperature differentials to contend with, extreme static charges and no more than 3 moving parts.
Piece of cake

Im moving in the same direction so maybe when your done we can compare notes.
Im thinking valvless pulsejet type design with inlet turbine.

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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2007, 09:55:57 PM »
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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #54 on: February 27, 2007, 10:02:16 PM »
Yup we are on the same page here. Will have something to show soon.

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« Reply #55 on: February 27, 2007, 10:16:23 PM »
Hey here's a little know trick I picked up in gas turbine R&D, a single turbine rotor with enough momentum becomes a perfect valve when the flow is reversed. The blade nozzle effect chokes the flow, so with proper geometry it can effectively act like a check valve, one that takes extreme pressure swings with one moving part.
Sweet

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« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2007, 10:17:23 PM »
Might want to start a new thread on this?

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« Reply #57 on: May 04, 2007, 10:48:13 AM »
any news?  ;D

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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #59 on: May 18, 2007, 02:41:49 PM »
Hello Folks:

I am really interested in this kind of water heating devices, that have been tested to have a near unity efficiency as you can see in the following paper:

http://www.earthtech.org/publications/AIAA-2006-4909-871.pdf

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Another device (which must remain nameless due to a non-disclosure agreement with the developer) involved a
motor-driven rotor in a close-fitting housing. Water was forced through the gaps around the rotor where intense
cavitation was supposed to occur. This device was claimed to impart up to 50% more heat energy to the water
flowing through it than the mechanical energy required to drive it. We tested this device using a larger version of the
same batch calorimeter described above. In this case we constructed a cradle dynamometer to directly measure the
mechanical input energy. With a 30 hp electric motor and copious generation of steam by the device, this was a very
exciting and sometimes dangerous experiment. However, our measurements never showed any sign of excess
energy. Furthermore, by comparing mechanical input energy to heat output energy we were able to obtain a nearperfect
energy balance in our measurements, typically 99% +/- 1%. We were fortunate to have significant
cooperation from the developer of this device and, during a visit to our facility, we accidentally discovered the
source of most of his anomalous readings: improper usage of his electrical power analyzer.


Althought not OU, the near unity is by itself remarkable. I have been looking if there is any other process available to heat water with such efficiency by electrical means.


 

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