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Offline comcyber

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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2006, 05:15:53 PM »
... and here it is: the cavition heater WITHOUT electricity,
normally for whirlpool wholesale only ... so where's the problem ?
 8)


http://cgi.ebay.com/Thermowave-Water-Heater-for-Whirlpool_W0QQitemZ280023792550QQcmdZViewItem

Specifications at:

http://www.remodelyourbath.com/generalinfo.html

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Com

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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
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« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2006, 09:42:11 PM »
@ comcyber

"so where's the problem ?"  "cavition heater WITHOUT electricity"
To start with, that heater won't heat s%&t without an electric motor hooked to a pump to force the water through a restricked area,So as you can see it's not without electricity.
  I also noticed that you did a lot of research on this subject. You join this group group 1 day ago, Number of posts 1 and it is of no value.   Now you know where the problem is.

Dave

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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2006, 12:15:19 AM »
welcome aboard comcyber .. hehehe

hang in there champ .. it gets better :D

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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2006, 12:15:19 AM »
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« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2006, 06:12:20 AM »
welcome aboard comcyber .. hehehe

hang in there champ .. it gets better :D


LoL!

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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2007, 03:10:09 AM »
Can someone give me a pointer to plans on how to build this ? I'm thinking that this would be great to heat a large tank of water for hydronic household radiant heating system. I have access to a machine shop, a solid 5" diameter x 5" thick alumininum billet, and a 5" diameter cast iron pipe. Sounds like a fun project but details would help.

Thanks,
TomG

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Offline hydrocontrol

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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2007, 03:38:11 AM »
It also looks like having grooves in the inside of the outer housing would add to the heating effect. I have a shaper attachement on the mill at work so I could do a spline effect on the inside of the outer housing but it would thin the outer wall a fair amount. Would grooves 1.5 times the rotor hole size work ? I suppose another option would be a tube inside a tube (tight fit) and just machine grooves all the way thru the inner tube before sliding it inside the outer tube and welding it. Should produce the same effect and still maintain a good wall thickness. It would just make the inside rotor a bit smaller. What do you guys think ?

Thanks,
TomG

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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2007, 06:00:39 PM »
Sure TomG

Lotsa info on the link below.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Cavitation_Heaters

I also wrote up a brief discription of how I built it under the thread Frenette-Heater  (Page 2 This site)

No where did I find the specks for the size or depth of holes to drill in the rotor so I just went with 1/2 inch dia. and approx. 3/4 inch deep, spaced 18 degrees apart and 15 degrees angled off center of shaft.
If possable build a furnace and burner as I did and turn a lawnmower into a rotor and end caps.  :D You won't have time to mow the grass anyway once ya get started on this project.  ;D

As for the 5" diameter x 5" thick alumininum billet, and a 5" diameter cast iron pipe that sounds a little small for what you want to do with it. Another thing to think about is that the Griggs heater is not really a pump for circulating fluids and if you could incorperate a pump inside the unit then you would have a great machine. You'll notice that I machined slots (5 degree angle) across the face of my rotor thinking that it would work as a pump.(Doesn't work that well.) I'm in the process of mounting the motor, heater and Nissan power steering pump (for circulation) inside a gutted out 10,000 BTU air conditioner and using only the condenser for heat supply (Hope it works)
You're lucky to have a machine shop at you're disposal and I wish you all the luck in building a Griggs heater. Keep us informed how you're doin.

Regards
Dave

 PS  Here's a pic. of my hot water tank furnace, and burner (6"x9" melting pot = 20lbs.alunimun



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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2007, 06:00:39 PM »
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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2007, 11:44:37 PM »
@CompCyber

Manufacturer say:
Not only does the temperature of the water increase, but the ambient air
temperture does as well.  The air in the room will increase at approximately
1/10 of a degree every five minutes.


This is not seriosly !!!

This will say 1 ?C  near ONE Hour !!!?

This is for 1 liter  ? 50 liter Bath  or 5000 Liter Swimming pool ?

The ambient air to heat ???

for  an living room ? an hall?

how good must all be "insulated" ??

how many watts wil go in the pump ?

The heat of "pump-motor" will als heat the water up....


I belive "not so effective heater"

G.P



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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2007, 12:25:00 AM »
Thanks Dave,
 It is a start. Guess I will do a little more research. Got a couple of ideas but not a whole lot of materials. I might be able to stack a bunch of one inch alumininum plates and make it larger diameter like 12 inches. It would be easier to machine as each segment would be 1 inch thick x 12 inches diameter so I could do 6 seperate segments instead of trying to find (and afford) a solid one piece of material. The trick maybe finding a 12 inch steel pipe to put it all in. As soon as I get going I will post pictures and results.

Thanks,
TomG :)

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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2007, 04:53:01 PM »
@ Whitebird

Hope this photo answers some of your questions.

@ TomG

How's your project coming along. I'll post a pic of what I'm up too later

Dave

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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2007, 07:58:06 PM »
Hello pese,

don't have detailed specifications about this "thermowave"-unit; i think, the most simple way is just to buy one and then "re-engineer" it ... for the seriously interested people, $12.50 isn't to much money ... for a commercial available cavitational heater ... 8)

Tried to buy one, but they're only shipping to the U.S., not to Germany :(

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« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2007, 03:20:01 AM »
Hi CompCyber

Read Reply #38 on: January 14, 2007, page 4 this thread.

pese could not have put it any plainer as to what the thermowave will do. Also I don't think there's anything to "re-engineer" with the thermowave. You might be lucky that they're only shipping to US because if you had a shipload of thermowaves' sent to Germany I don't think you could heat up a hamburger in Hamburg.  ;D
Anyway If you get your hands on one and re-engineer it let us know how it worked out.

Regards Dave

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« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2007, 02:36:02 PM »
tks for the messages.
it give better ways to produce hydrocaloric,
that is more efficent , so it need not special
testequipment to obsere little power rsults.
tks
Pese

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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2007, 03:25:04 PM »
Yup.  You're right on, pese   ;)

Dave

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Re: Hydrosonic Pump
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2007, 07:20:33 PM »
Hey Idnick
I found somthing you may find very interesting, I just finished a book called "The Energy Evolution" by callum coats, about Victor Schaubergers technologies. This is absolutely a must read, it's a bit cryptic at times but has a huge amount of info on his patents from original manuscripts.
Tell me if this sounds familiar?
Victor S used spinning water(vortex) to produce heat or cold at will in machines that were self-runners. This book confirmed my suspicions of what he was doing, so I'll give you the short version.
Just before Victor.S started making self-running machines he was Very intersted in Lord Kelvins water drop static charge generator and the fact that once charge was built up the drop would be repelled upward against gravity. As well a nozzle propelling water vapor through a (+)charged ring can produce over 15,000 volts (-)charge in the water vapor. Since (-) charges repell (-) charges the vapor can be repelled upwards against gravity, but he went further. If a rapidly spinning column of (-)charged water vapor spins in a (-)charged container then the vapor repells from the container thus there is no friction due to boundary layer interactions. The (+) charged vapor is also pushed to the center of the column by repulsion, so we have water vapor spinning rapidly with a seperation of charges and it just so happens that this is what is required to seperate H2O into Hydrogen and Oxygen. If the center column of oxygen rich water vapor later recombines with the outer hydrogen rich water vapor then heat is produced, if the hydrogen rich water vapor is siphoned off it rises rapidly recombined with air to produce a cooling effect(vacuum-implosion), the oxygen rich water vapor can burn producing heat, there are endless combinations. Victor S used the seperated hot and cold flows to produce rapidly moving air flows(hot expansion to cold vacuum) doubling the power density.
I am 100% sure Victor.S had this process nailed down to perfection, So how does it relate to your machine?
Your outer casing has a (+) charge from the atmoshere, and when the water hits a pocket in the rotor it cavitates(vaporizes), rapidly moving water/vapor past (+) outer casing creates a huge (-) charge on rotor, the attraction of oppositly charged water vapor moves the flow inward between the rotor and casing. Under the right conditions the movement could be centripital, that is (+)outer charge moves towards (-) inward charged vapor speeding up the rotor or flow or both. In any case if the charge seperation and pressure fuctuations seperate water vapor in the rotor pockets into H and O then outside the pocket they could recombine producing water and heat. Victor.S also said the most efficient machine would be use a reciprocal process, that is the seperation drives the processas well as the recombination. So if massive turbulence in the pocket(cavitation) and charge seperation produce a cooling effect in the pocket(implosion)water is sucked in from the front flow, when leaving the pocket the bubble collapses under pressure, the H and O recombine producing heat, the pressurized hot water moves rapidly towards the next cool pocket under a vacuum.
Of course this is all speculation but there are things to look for-

- the outer casing could short circuit to the rotor through your bearings, no charge seperation, use large gasket to seperate at least 1/2"
- limit the inlet flow to produce more cavitation or add charged air into the inlet with the water(google lord kelvin water drop generator)
- pocket geometry should maximize water/vapor velocity ie- swirl, cavitation
- use insulated probe in outlet to measure potential difference(Voltage) between outlet flow and rotor.
- build rediculously sensitive charge detector from Bill Beaty's web site and measure static charge in and around machine.

In any case good luck, and give this book a read if you get the chance

 

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