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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #105 on: January 20, 2008, 05:32:18 AM »
@ All

What I believe Marco is talking about is what BEP mentioned and I and Thaelin tested long ago, in a very different manner.

One wire. One signal, two distinct power sources.  Batteries are better.  The electrons flow with reference to only their own source and never know the other is on a passing train track. 

The ? mark is, what would be the volts and amps in such a case.  It would not be series, so what would the answer be?

What would happen if we did the same thing but turned it into a coil and used higher voltage?  That is what the next picture means.

1+1=2

I like the idea.  Someone should do the test and give the answer.   ;)

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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #106 on: January 20, 2008, 03:46:13 PM »
Good morning gentlemen,

I did the single wire test last night, with a few deviations:  My 9Vs were nearly dead 2Vs and my bulbs were LEDs.

Both LEDs lit-up.  The voltage reading between the red clips was zero.

Then I switched the positions of the two red clips on the test wire, as shown below, and still the LEDs lit-up.  Now what is happening in the mid-section of the test wire?

Then, I moved the red clips all the way to the opposite ends of the wire, also shown below.  The LEDs still lit-up.

Should we think of the test wire as a two way street, or a common ground of the two batteries, or both?

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #107 on: January 20, 2008, 04:00:29 PM »
We assume that the two currents do not cancel each other out because we see the bulbs (LEDs) glowing, but what of the magnetic fields?

If the current is flowing both ways in the test wire, what of the magnetic fields; do we also have two opposing magnetic fields around the test wire or do they cancel each other out?


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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #108 on: January 20, 2008, 04:02:41 PM »
What would happen if we did the same thing but turned it into a coil and used higher voltage?  That is what the next picture means.

1+1=2

I like the idea.  Someone should do the test and give the answer.   ;)

With those current directions 1+1=4, but only when they first meet. When you put in a third - where the ? is, then you may be thinking 3D. But use the KISS method. Start with one wire and one source first.

Test? No. If someone does they'll be stopping the current before it reaches the end of the wire - like Tesla did with his 'high frequency' helices.

@Rosphere

Two-way street? Maybe better as only a map or direction sign.

You measured zero volts in the middle because you had no reference point to either path.

Put a black from bat A along with a red from bat B together on one end and reverse on the other (with the loads connected).
The current from both bats is flowing the full length of the wire but opposite directions. If the wire explodes at 1.5 amps and each load is drawing 1 amp then why doesn't the wire explode? Better yet why does no current show at all in the middle?

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #109 on: January 20, 2008, 06:36:46 PM »
the two battery experiment was just to show what i started with, and Rosphere got the same results as i did.
there is no current flowing in the middle because the circuits are not connected to each other with two wires or more.

the second experiment with the coil is more intresting.
Bruce is right about using high voltage.
in this one wire coil we can slap frequency's togheter like two transformers running slightly out of phase,or connected in reverse of one another, although it is not easy to tune the second generator reverse in sync with the first..,this means to use two seperate sources not one.
it vibrates too when the fields slap toghether, without using magnets..
i also varied the distance of the middle part of the coil, and later on i just ended with a coil with many wires on it so i could switch them.
and also i varied the metal of the coil as iron bailing wire treats the flux diffrent then copper.
then i turned the coil into a torroid etc.

these are verry simple experiments anyone can do, they only takes minutes and it's fun too.  :)
M.




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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #110 on: January 21, 2008, 03:01:52 AM »
We assume that the two currents do not cancel each other out because we see the bulbs (LEDs) glowing, but what of the magnetic fields?

If the current is flowing both ways in the test wire, what of the magnetic fields; do we also have two opposing magnetic fields around the test wire or do they cancel each other out?



Hi Mike,

When I tested the "same signal, each opposing, two different sources, same wire", using a two frequency gen's, back in my thread, I used a magnet to test for a magnetic field.  It was huge, compared to one signal.  I posted all about it, but no one followed up on it.

Also, Thaelin, did similar experiments and saw 150 volt spikes, and ran a small motor using the same technique.  Very astounding stuff. 

@ All

I think anyone serious about working on the TPU should consider investing in an accurate gauss meter.  IMHO.  It would assist in so many ways, testing for field cancellation, strong magnetic fields, different magnetic field strengths associated with different frequencies (my theory.).

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #111 on: January 21, 2008, 07:21:58 AM »
Hi Bruce,

Can you please post a link to your ""same signal, each opposing, two different sources, same wire", using a two frequency gen's" experiment post?  I do not recall ever seeing that one, and it sounds interesting.  Maybe for some reason others didn't see it either and therefore it was overlooked?

Thanks! ;D

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #112 on: January 21, 2008, 06:08:49 PM »
Hi Bruce,

Can you please post a link to your ""same signal, each opposing, two different sources, same wire", using a two frequency gen's" experiment post?  I do not recall ever seeing that one, and it sounds interesting.  Maybe for some reason others didn't see it either and therefore it was overlooked?

Thanks! ;D

Eldarion

Hi Eldarion,

This is the first post I made talking about same signals:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.msg35958.html#msg35958

My Quote from BEP here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.msg36406.html#msg36406

Thaelin's Information here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.msg36492.html#msg36492

Another post about same signals here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.msg36894.html#msg36894
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.msg36917.html#msg36917

My experiment, here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.msg36995.html#msg36995

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #113 on: January 21, 2008, 06:23:19 PM »
Thanks Bruce!

I think I'll go ahead and try it out--at least I can provide a confirmation of something unusual, or maybe even some more detail with my 500MHz  scope. ;)

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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #114 on: January 21, 2008, 09:17:18 PM »
G'day all,

Perhaps a little off the subject, but on reading your experiments I had an idea which I think is worth following up.

Instead of using a single wire if you used two electrodes immersed in an electrolyte instead you might be able to observe phenomena that could give you a clearer idea what you are dealing with. What would happen here? Would you get oxygen and hydrogen bubbles on BOTH electrodes or what? What happens if you pulse the current and so forth.

I will be trying this as soon as I have a chance.

What do you think?

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #115 on: January 21, 2008, 10:37:10 PM »
Hi Hans,  :)
You have a short circuit going there!!
Take a close look, and dont try that with car battery's  ;D

If you move some points of connection and use high frequency/voltage alternating current it would be also an intresting experiment.
There are always two things on my mind, one of them is Marks Tpu and the other is Hydrogen On Demand.
I keep thinking more about Marks Tpu because it runs without water.
Maybe it's  time for me to start playing with fluid too.....

M.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #116 on: January 21, 2008, 11:27:48 PM »
Bruce,

I have a few more questions for you, if you don't mind:
1. Were these two homebrew square wave generators synchronized in any way?  I am assuming that they were not,  which opens up some interesting possibilities.
2. Were they current-limited in any way (resistors, tiny output driver MOSFETs, etc)?  I just want to rule out the possibility of 750mV, 10-amp surges causing the effect. ;)
3. Closely related to #2, what was the approximate resistance of the coil secondary for DC?  High (above 5-10 ohms)?  Or did it appear more like a dead short?
4. Were the square waves unidirectional or bidirectional?  I.E. did the pulses from one square wave generator by itself go both positive and negative or just positive, with respect to zero volts (ground)?
5. And finally, was the output stage of each square wave generator push-pull or some other configuration?

Thanks!

Eldarion

EDIT: If you could tell me the model number of the signal generator kit you used I could probably answer a lot of those questions on my own... :)
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #117 on: January 22, 2008, 12:41:47 AM »
Bruce,

I have a few more questions for you, if you don't mind:
1. Were these two homebrew square wave generators synchronized in any way?  I am assuming that they were not,  which opens up some interesting possibilities.
2. Were they current-limited in any way (resistors, tiny output driver MOSFETs, etc)?  I just want to rule out the possibility of 750mV, 10-amp surges causing the effect. ;)
3. Closely related to #2, what was the approximate resistance of the coil secondary for DC?  High (above 5-10 ohms)?  Or did it appear more like a dead short?
4. Were the square waves unidirectional or bidirectional?  I.E. did the pulses from one square wave generator by itself go both positive and negative or just positive, with respect to zero volts (ground)?
5. And finally, was the output stage of each square wave generator push-pull or some other configuration?

Thanks!

Eldarion

EDIT: If you could tell me the model number of the signal generator kit you used I could probably answer a lot of those questions on my own... :)

Hi Eldarion,

It has been a long time ago, but I will give it a stab.

They were not synchronized.  We used my partners scope to find the frequency of each gen, getting them as close as possible, and then put it on both ends of the coil.

Yes they were all current limited for circuit protection.  My partner built the three of them (he has three) from kits.  I will have to find out what type, or he can post it here. 

For question three, I am not sure.  I posted on brnbrade's original thread, before his claim of OU as I attempted to replicate his first description.  On that post, I say how many turns of what size wire for the secondary.  I can't recall right now, but if you find that post, it perhaps would be simple math to determine the resistance based on wire size and length.

Question 4, if I recall, all square waves were positive only.  As shown in the scope picture.

Question 5, I do not know.  I will find out the make of the kit and perhaps that will help. 

I am sorry I can't be of more help.   ;)

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #118 on: January 22, 2008, 01:30:26 AM »
Heres something interesting I found and have not seen or missed because it was not listed as we know it and maybe you have seen this .           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTmJpPRprlg&feature=related  .       

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #119 on: January 22, 2008, 04:45:33 AM »
Hi Hans,  :)
You have a short circuit going there!!
Take a close look, and dont try that with car battery's  ;D

If you move some points of connection and use high frequency/voltage alternating current it would be also an intresting experiment.
There are always two things on my mind, one of them is Marks Tpu and the other is Hydrogen On Demand.
I keep thinking more about Marks Tpu because it runs without water.
Maybe it's  time for me to start playing with fluid too.....

M.

Sorry mate,

I should have drawn the LED's in. I thought everybody would get the idea without them. Mind you , the electrolyte will probably act as enough of a load.

My apologies, I'll fix it.

Hans von Lieven

 

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