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Offline Jdo300

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #180 on: January 30, 2008, 11:06:38 AM »
Bruce,

I want to duplicate the experiment with the coil that you and Thaelin saw. Could you post a diagram just for that including where the ground lines for the function generators go? If it is just the picture from your first diagram, do the grounds from the two separate sources connect to each other, or is this some kind of one-wire setup? What frequencies did you use, and were they sine waves or square waves? Also, could you post some information about the coil that you were posting (type of wire, rough number of turns, etc). I'll try and duplicate the experiment.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #180 on: January 30, 2008, 11:06:38 AM »

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #181 on: January 30, 2008, 11:52:13 AM »
Hello Everyone,

I just came across an interesting tidbit of information about phase inversion (which Steven talked about). I think I see why it is important to have two signals running against each other in the same wire! Look at this article about audio amps:

http://www.tubecad.com/june99/page10.html

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Jason O


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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #182 on: January 30, 2008, 01:40:10 PM »
Hello Jason,

Here are the details of my experiment and also the coil http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.msg36995.html#msg36995

But, before you wind that coil, I am convinced you will see this on any coil.  So I would strongly suggest using one of your existing coils first, before putting the effort into winding this one. 

The key is to make sure that each frequency gen has a different power source, that the signals are identical, no deviation, and that they are slightly out of phase of one another.  60 volts or more would be best, if you are set up for that.

I hope that helps. 

Cheers my friend,

Bruce

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #182 on: January 30, 2008, 01:40:10 PM »
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #183 on: January 30, 2008, 01:59:15 PM »
Jason,

Any common point between the two sources is slf defeating - ground or otherwise.

The more sure way to see this effect is to have two separate FET drivers circuits, each with its own battery suppy (not power supply) and opto or otherwise isolated inputs. Then you could use a two channel freek genny.

The best way to see the result is not with a scope probe but with a magnetic pickup like a coil or Hall Effect probe - better yet a secondary coil off the tested primary. The phase offset can be zero initially - this will cause the collision in the center of the coil (if all else is perfect). A phase inversion (in classical AC terms) will cause cancellation of the voltage.
Two Pulses (DC) of the same frequency hitting the opposite ends of the coil at the same time should meet in the middle. The potential should not be cancelled - only the magnetic field as the two magnetic fields are inverted polarity to one another.
A phase difference with only two signals will only cause the collision point to move on a solenoid coil. Now do the same on a toroidal coil and you have a cat chasing its tail.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #184 on: January 30, 2008, 02:11:34 PM »
Hi BEP,

Ahhh that makes perfect sense there. Now the only thing I'm wondering is weather it works better with coils a many turns or few turns. When I think about what is happening here, I am tempted to say that it would be a longitudinal wave traveling, and therefore a few loose windings with some spacing would be good, but then again, I'm also thinking about the idea of building up a large magnetic field, (or canceling it all together) which could go either way... What are your thoughts on this?

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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #185 on: January 30, 2008, 04:12:14 PM »
The more turns you have the more pronounced the effect should be - up to a point.. I would keep the turn spacing at least 2.5 times the diameter of the conductor center to center between turns. The reason for this distance: It is a good approximation and an attempt to keep the turns far enough apart to keep them out of the near-field of each other. Of course, increasing the current enough will override this distance.

Short, sharp pulses are best. Probably longitudinal because the effect is seen first on the meeting of the waves.

I think the target should be
1. to weaken or eliminate the conventional inductive capabilities of the wire.
2. increase the speed of current flow via #1. Forget this for now. I would have to rant to explain.
3. introduce a third energy to stretch the math from squaring to cubing. (Waves are not flat as seen on a scope) Cubing may be too far a stretch but squaring is a minimum and enough.
This energy may be a third frequency that is soley there to create a standing wave (not moving) or a form of localized bias like a PM mag field created by another coil. At this point I don't believe a DC current bias will be of any use as that bias would be the same throughout the length of the mixing conductor or coil.

As for creating a standing wave in such a short piece of wire or coil - that is another argument. Basically if it works - it works. Go for parallel resonance NOT series resonance. I won't discuss this any on this thread. It is a waste of time.

I have a clear understanding of why and how this works and have eluded to it many times. However, others must perform the experiments and come to their own understanding.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2008, 03:23:07 AM by BEP »

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #186 on: January 30, 2008, 06:33:19 PM »
909Hi all:
   Just have to jump in here on this. I did play quite a bit with the single wire thing. Went as far as to set up two wires in seperate directions running off the same freq gen. Therein you can find a potential across the two wires as well. I am still contemplating on how best to fit this in to the scheme of things.
   I will get out my flame suit now. The next statement will catch me hell for it but will have to speak it anyhow.

   Over the time I have been going back to the words spoken. What is seen as the collector by most just cant be. I have pondered it over and over. That "one" wire in the center to me would have to be the injected signal wire. The itermediate collectors would be the first set of 90 degree coils. The "output" coil has to be the outside coil. Just my take but still. A circuit potential does exist between the the 90 degree coils if you select the correct position for the two. Depending on which frequency is higher will dictate the direction of travel of the wave front as well.

Ok, let me have it.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #187 on: January 30, 2008, 08:25:07 PM »
@Thaelin

I can agree with most of what you said.

In-fact for some time now I understand the 'collector' is what this group calls the 'TPU'. What is now called the collector - to me - is a continous loop of wire and has no mechanical breaks. It is more of a core than a coil.

I'll take some of the flames for you ;)

@Jdo300

I think cancellation of the magnetic field is needed. Making a bigger one is not very difficult ;D Why do something easy?

The hard part comes when everybody wants to know where to connect on a dognut but we'll stick with a simple coil or straight piece of wire for now.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2008, 09:18:51 PM by BEP »

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #188 on: February 01, 2008, 03:01:12 AM »
I had to throw this out there in response to

 BEP :)

"The hard part comes when everybody wants to know where to connect on a dognut but we'll stick with a simple coil or straight piece of wire for now"

I could be way off but i just wanted to post this again ..

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #188 on: February 01, 2008, 03:01:12 AM »
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #189 on: February 01, 2008, 04:31:46 AM »
@ Thaelin
This will help you out, my friend!
Sent to: tao on: June 28, 2006, 04:04:44 AM
Tao,By the way.. When Steven said that you have the secret he said in another mail among other things that you have the collector and control winding relationship the wrong way..Ie excitation into control... allows the collector the perform magnetic conversion.

Hello All,

In this last and final experiment idea that I will be posting for awhile, I combine a second theory, emailed to me by an experimenter who wishes to remain anonymous.  I have received permission from this individual to post this information and my experiment which incorporate both "it" and the opposing identical signals, different batteries, slightly out of phase. (245 Khz) 

This is my favorite experiment and I can envision it with the collector in a closed circle, with two taps, also.

Tao posted to SM long ago, quoting Tesla, about stopping the current.  This kick came out of the wires perpendicularly when this was done.

SM said, "Lindsay, this guy definitely has the secret.
I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power generation, but he does
have the secret.  Do you think he knows it? 

The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting  the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.

The secret to stopping the current given by "nameless": (Edited by me)
I hooked up my bifilar control coil and terminated the other end in a matched resistor (to minimize  REFLECTIONS)    And when I do that, I get one way traveling pulses (let's say clockwise only viewed from the top) �.. and on the collector wire I see  �.DC.

Just build a simple MOSFET and Battery circuit, and pulse your MOSFET rapidly enough to create pulses that go down the line, and terminate your transmission line in it?s CHARACTERISTIC IMPEDANCE, (75ohms or 50 ohms whatever it is).  Your pulses then will not reflect and you will get a ONE WAY induction. This would be a very crude TPU setup, one that is not using RESONANCE just yet.   With RESONANCE we really have to be careful, we?re dealing with lots of current here.

*Me again   ;)
IMHO this needs to be accomplished in BOTH directions, TWO WAY induction!

Experiment Below:

First we send the pulses as fast send off as possible, as elegently said by Eldarion in my thread, today.

I would suggest using VHF triodes for your oscillators.  You need two separate ones to send IDENTICAL signals, slightly out of phase of one another, different batteries powering gens.. 

Next we stop the current from opposing signals, out of phase,  in opposite directions, quenching the reflection of each.  You must use CHARACTERISTIC IMPEDANCE.  You will need to research this exact resistor size, depending on your wire.  (Simply two resistors!) 

I suggest very good speaker wire for the control coils.  And Litz for the collector.  Lastly resonance.  (And two kill switches!)


Cheers,

Bruce

EDIT:
Square Wave or Sine Wave unknown.  My bet is on the sine wave.   ;)  Only experimentation will tell.

Amount of "Phase differential" between identical signals unknown.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2008, 01:48:39 PM by Bruce_TPU »

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #190 on: February 04, 2008, 01:57:57 PM »
Hello Everyone,

I just did some experiments over the weekend sending identical signals into opposing wires. But rather than talk about the tests I did, I just compiled a video demo and uploaded it to YouTube. I found a few interesting things from the tests. Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqwPMAJsh3I

Let me know what you all think  :)

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Jason O

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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #191 on: February 04, 2008, 09:54:12 PM »
Hi Jason,

A very good video, and a very good start indeed!   ;D

@ Jason AND All
I have a list of, "I wonder if's," to think and experiment with.

I wonder if:
Having much higher voltage as the input frequency will more than double the signal?

I wonder if:
Using one of the SM frequencies, that IMHO tap into huge magnetic waves, with the proper set up would make a difference?  (35.705 Khz & 245 Khz)

I wonder if:

The fact that the signal appears on each of the two conductors, running through the control coil.  What if you had 5 individually (thinner) insulated conductors?  Would the signal be of same amplitude on each?  Could they be wired in series for five times the voltage or wired in parallel for 5 times the current?  What if 105 strand LITZ was placed there?  Would each individual wire show the same amplitude?  Does everyone see where I am heading with this?

I wonder if:
The two conductor running between your coils as collector were wired in series with the control wires.  What would happen to the wave?

I wonder if:
You used sine wave rather than square for all of the above experiments, if there would be a difference?

I wonder if:
Using VHF triode tubes as oscillators would make a difference when redoing all of the above experiments? 

We could all "guess" at some of the answers for the above questions, but the truth is that we really do not know until we put it to the test.   ;D

Just a couple of my thoughts for the day, all.   ;)

Cheers,

Bruce

EDIT:
One more "I wonder if three signals going into the collector (see the 3 stack TPU) would combine to give even greater amplitude?  (F1+F2+F3)  All opposing, identical, slightly out of phase, different power supply's.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2008, 01:34:05 AM by Bruce_TPU »

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #192 on: February 05, 2008, 11:59:25 PM »
Does "opposing flux" fit in here somewhere?

http://www.rexresearch.com/markov/markov.htm

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #193 on: February 06, 2008, 12:12:26 AM »
Does "opposing flux" fit in here somewhere?

http://www.rexresearch.com/markov/markov.htm

I think so. Others may disagree. Big difference though. No iron cores are part of this discussion, as far as I know.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #194 on: February 06, 2008, 01:05:08 AM »
Does "opposing flux" fit in here somewhere?

http://www.rexresearch.com/markov/markov.htm

I think so. Others may disagree. Big difference though. No iron cores are part of this discussion, as far as I know.

Hi BEP,
You know, I have recently wondered if SM, in the TPU built with "baling wire", simply wrapped the iron wire, not to pulse, but to use as the iron in a transformer, and has other wires that can not be seen.  Perhaps like he said about hooking two transformers in reverse.  Opposing signals, sine or pulsed, what happens?   ;D 

I am thinking about Comsters Sim he posted.  I wonder if he has had time to do the experiment yet?

Comster's Post:
Hey guys
The highlights of transformers out of phase got me thinking so I drew something up in my simulator. Check out the reading on osc2 channel.
Gonna test this in the lab.

Warm regards,

Bruce

 

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