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Offline acerzw

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #165 on: January 27, 2008, 04:25:35 AM »
@jeanna

Since the picture file you posted has small in the title, do you have a higher resolution version you could post?

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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #166 on: January 27, 2008, 06:39:51 AM »
@jeanna

Since the picture file you posted has small in the title, do you have a higher resolution version you could post?

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Yes, acerzw
This is a jpg, however. If it is a problem I can repost something else.
jeanna
I am going to move these to a new thread (first time :D )

Again, please see:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3996.new.html#new

Thank you
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« Last Edit: January 27, 2008, 11:32:00 PM by jeanna »

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #167 on: January 27, 2008, 07:10:26 AM »
Getting back to our discussion of the one wire experiment.   ;)

Sitting back, looking anew at one of the SM clues, and thinking about the "two frequencies (signals) separate power sources, traveling together in a wire."  Up to now, we have started to discuss "opposing" signals, which is what I believe SM meant when he talked about "connected in reverse of one another."  But, he also mentions "slightly out of phase" with one another.  Then you have some kicks!  Thaelin saw this, much more than I did, with 250 volt spikes, using only two frequency generators.

SM's Clue, I have highlighted the relevant part, IMHO:


I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc.
The plate has a high voltage potential with lots of useable power available.
You cant get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube.
So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate.
Or actually the other way around, but not important for this example of my thoughts.
Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC.
If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency.
That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing.
It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.


So, when doing the "reverse/opposing of one another" experiment, using IDENTICAL frequency, but one is "slightly out of phase" of the other, look for POWER SPIKES>Kicks

Please take note, that SM give us the frequency of both of the signals in this story.  He says, "...If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency."  (First frequency is 60 Hz from the tube plate, not rectified.) 

Then, he says, "That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer..." (Second frequency, identical, in "reverse/opposing", "slightly out of phase".)

Lastly, the point is that the signals are identical, except for some key things.  Different sources (power supply/battery) and they are in "reverse/opposing", and they are "slightly out of phase" of one another.

I now firmly believe (IMHO) that SM drove the collectors as follows. 
FIRST Battery As Source 1:
F1 in first collector 
F2 in second collector
F3 in third collector

SECOND Battery As Source 2:
F1 in first collector, traveling in the opposite direction, identical signal as above, just slightly out of phase.
F2 in second collector, traveling in the opposite direction, identical signal as above, just slightly out of phase.
F3 in third collector, traveling in the opposite direction, identical signal as above, just slightly out of phase.

*Note:  Can you picture for a moment, how this could begin to "feed itself" and why SM would say, "because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain."

I think this is a major, missing part of our testing.   :(  Let's change that.

Cheers,

Bruce


Edit:
I also want to remind all, of another quote by SM of Tesla:
"In that book it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source.
He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other.
I tried it and he is right!"

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #167 on: January 27, 2008, 07:10:26 AM »
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #168 on: January 27, 2008, 09:51:29 AM »
Well Well...like the pic.....
Here is some of mine...NOW ON THE NEW TPU IN NATURE THREAD.....but they are not atoms...much bigger...can see them with the eye  :o
I used a $10 buck plastic microscope to see..
There is alot more to see than shown in the pics...The detail is much better with the eye.
I just put my digital camera to the scope eyepiece and took the pics...ameture... ;D
Scotty
« Last Edit: January 28, 2008, 12:51:51 AM by scotty1 »

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #169 on: January 27, 2008, 03:41:54 PM »
@ Scotty, Jeanna and Acer

PLEASE start a new thread for your pictures and discussion.  This thread is for one wire experiments.

@ Scotty
Some of us have only dial up and large photo's only clog the thread for many of us.

Thank you in advance for your understanding!

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #170 on: January 27, 2008, 06:05:53 PM »
Good morning All,

Some one wire experiments, that need to be run.  Including one of Marco's that still has not been tested.

ALSO, I have made a flow chart circuit for the 3 stack tpu.  Just an idea to test, for those who have wound theirs already.

My Litz has come in.  675 strands, individually insulated.  Very small wire. 

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #171 on: January 27, 2008, 08:14:59 PM »
My apologies, Bruce,
It is the reason the first one was a little gif.
I did think people doing this should see a picture taken from nature that I have never seen anywhere else.
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #172 on: January 28, 2008, 12:34:51 AM »
Hi all....
These kicks you all talk about are so easy to explain.
It has nothing to do with electrons!!
It has nothing to do with collapsing fields.
It has to do with angular displacement.
It has to do with the capacitance of a wire.
Push a coil with a light bulb connected through a U shaped magnet....do it slowly and you will have no light....now do it quickly and you will have light.
This shows that the TIME is important.
When you approached the U magnet with the coil...the U magnet was loosing its strength...but when the coil breaks away from the U magnet..the U magnet is recharged from the air or the Earth's magnetic field....ready for the next start....
Your a/c power lines are similar....during the time of no pressure the wires are slightly charged in a capacitive way from the Earth...it is one of the reasons a/c can run so far....
In the a/c the pressure is rising and falling steadily so things remain fairly stable....but as Henry Moray says...."When you put a substance under pressure and then set it free"....the scene is much different....angular displacement towards capacitive state occurs instantly......but during that small amount of TIME there is alot going on in the wire.
It is the reason your CEMF is at a higher voltage.
It is the reason for all the wonderful effects of Tesla coils and disruptive discharges.
As the coil approaches the center of the U magnet...the running current stops..no pressure....but the coil wire and core are full of magnetic lines of force...at the max limit in fact.....ALL THE FLUX IS DIRECTED ACCROSS THE WIRES.....
We want the force to run along the wires....not accross them.
As soon as the coil moves away from the U magnet center, the current reverses until all the flux in the core is pushed into the wires.
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By the way...for those who are experimenting....do not overlook those pictures i loaded...
The forms in those pics of mine are what you use to start your car everyday.....without those forms...you would have no electricity......
Read about magnetic currents....then you will know what electricity is......then you will know what my pics are......they are more interesting than anyone can see.... ;)
People aks for hi res...then complain about it....  funny place  ???
Scotty.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #173 on: January 28, 2008, 01:29:44 PM »
Good morning All,

Three of the "proper" frequencies will never be enough.  They must be "driven" with a triode tube, (to start with.  It is more than just the speed of the tube, it has to do with the harmonics naturally on the output of the triodes signal.)  head long at one another.  A separate battery (power supply) for each, slightly out of phase.  Identical signals.  I would test with the infamous 245 Khz.  One of SM's given frequencies and the frequency at which lightning is formed.

The following is a repost from June 22, 2007 of two experiments mentioned by Thaelin. My comments are in (^)

Experiment #1
 If you want to see this in real time, take two signal gens positive leads only. One small hobby motor and wire it to both gens. Now set the frequency's low but slightly off each other (slightly out of phase) and watch the motor rev up and down as the frequencies counter act each other.

Experiment #2
I have a bifilar coil from other things wound with a lot of wire. I put a small ninety degree coil through the center and hooked up two signals. Well not much. then I moved one of the signals to the output end and the scope went nuts.(identical signals opposing one another, different power supply's, slightly out of phase.)  Good way to see it too.

Link:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2300.msg36492.html#msg36492

Cheers,

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #174 on: January 28, 2008, 05:37:28 PM »
Good morning All,

Three of the "proper" frequencies will never be enough.  They must be "driven" with a triode tube, (to start with.  It is more than just the speed of the tube, it has to do with the harmonics naturally on the output of the triodes signal.)  head long at one another.  A separate battery (power supply) for each, slightly out of phase.  Identical signals.  I would test with the infamous 245 Khz.  One of SM's given frequencies and the frequency at which lightning is formed.


This is interesting Bruce,

245 KHz is the 16th octave harmonic of the Schumann frequency if you accept this at approx 7.48 Hz. It is also very close to Keely's scale of B-flat depending on which concert pitch you use (we do not know which concert pitch Keely used as A=440 as an accepted standard is of much more recent origin)

You mention several frequencies given by SM, would you please so kind as to let me have them, I would like to analyse this further.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #175 on: January 28, 2008, 09:50:48 PM »
Hi Hans,
245 Khz and 35.705 Khz.  35.705 is the frequency of the northern lights, if I recall.

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Bruce

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Re: Single Wire Tests
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« Reply #176 on: January 28, 2008, 10:14:28 PM »
Thanks Bruce,

I have to think about this one for a while, I cannot readily think where this one might fit in the scheme of things.

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« Reply #177 on: January 29, 2008, 04:11:28 AM »
@hansvonlieven

Idea only....

7.whatever was his target at one point.
35.705 was a low as he could make it go so he left it there (larger - higher Q coil)
245 was a maximum of the lower Q higher freq coil

We all know what the 7.? is. 245 would be the series resonance of the altitude of the ionoshpere during the day. Since this altitude changes drastically as day changes to night and back the lower end of the range for that coil would be around 160. Lightning burst have a spectral spike at many places but the two largest are at 1.7kHz and 175kHz (on average going by data collected by other hobbyists and whistler signals I have seen.)

So the thing probably needs to be a variable tuning device to cover changes in ionospheric layer altitude. Since the ionosphere is well known to be the location of most charged particles it seems plausible.

If the above is the way our Earth works then it appears to me that SM was trying to copy that function on a smaller scale.

Just my 213 cents worth (U.S. dollar is pretty much worthless right now  ;D

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« Reply #178 on: January 29, 2008, 08:37:56 AM »
You have a valid argument there BEP,

If SM was indeed trying to establish resonance on some harmonic with the Schumann resonance, there would have to be some sort of a sensing and feedback mechanism (not unlike a servo mechanism) to make this possible.

Food for thought, Thank you

Hans von Lieven.

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« Reply #179 on: January 30, 2008, 03:00:34 AM »
Evening All,

Here are two more experiment ideas surrounding our discussion of "identical signals, separate power sources, opposing one another, slightly out of phase, (245 Khz suggested)

I only have one more experiment to consider at this time, but will post it at a later date. 

A friend of mine hopes to do some experiments along these lines this weekend.  Marco has seen it.  Thaelin has seen something odd.  I have seen something odd.  It fits all of the SM clues.

I think it may be the "circuit potential" we have for so long looked for.  But experimentation will tell.  Some of you have the equipment and are well qualified to carry out a few tests. 

Some are buying VHF triodes.  An easy oscillator tube circuit would be handy right about now.

Marco saw wires vibrate.  I saw a very strong magnetic field and RF interference at very low current.  Thaelin saw huge kicks using only frequency gens.

If this is not it, we should experiment, once and for all, and clear the air, so we can move on to other ideas.  IMHO   ;) 

I think someone will see something.  ;D

Cheers All,

Bruce

 

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