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Offline M@rcel

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #150 on: January 25, 2008, 05:22:08 PM »
Might relate I donno.
http://www.geocities.com/nayado/
Don't know either, but it's a mighty interesting link, especially the sub-links... 8)

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #151 on: January 25, 2008, 05:30:48 PM »
Might relate I donno.
http://www.geocities.com/nayado/
Don't know either, but it's a mighty interesting link, especially the sub-links... 8)
Agree. Sure would like to know where those sub-links are though.
Being that it was released in 1999 - I haven't seen this before.

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« Reply #152 on: January 25, 2008, 06:55:51 PM »
oops yes sorry about that. I mixed a few things up. The sublinks I meant are on an entirely different page:
http://www.aspden.org.uk/3.html

now, what did Tesla say about Leyden jars?

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #152 on: January 25, 2008, 06:55:51 PM »
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #153 on: January 25, 2008, 08:14:25 PM »


now, what did Tesla say about Leyden jars?
Nice article, thanks M@rcel.
I think it is that famous pic of Tesla sitting reading something with lightning blazing over his head that shows a large box of (a bank of) leyden style capacitors. Anyway they are caps and I always assumed they were leyden jars. Ben Franklin used them in many of his experiments... etc.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #154 on: January 25, 2008, 09:45:47 PM »
LOL :D
Cut the wire in the middle ---- it's a series connection between the two batteries

If you cut the wire, yes.

However, with the wire in place it may well be a different picture. My suggested experiment with the electrodes in the electrolyte should show if there is any activity along this path. It either forms bubbles on the electrodes or it doesn't.

I shall run this experiment as planned the minute I get a chance, which will be in the next few days.

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« Reply #154 on: January 25, 2008, 09:45:47 PM »
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #155 on: January 25, 2008, 10:04:48 PM »


now, what did Tesla say about Leyden jars?
Nice article, thanks M@rcel.
I think it is that famous pic of Tesla sitting reading something with lightning blazing over his head that shows a large box of (a bank of) leyden style capacitors. Anyway they are caps and I always assumed they were leyden jars. Ben Franklin used them in many of his experiments... etc.

jeanna
No, I believe it was in some interview Tesla gave. Afaik he said something like that capacitors were extraordinary and that he liked the Leyden jars best. I wonder if that is because they are cilindrical. What would sphere caps do? I've seen quite a few patents using spherical capacitors.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #156 on: January 25, 2008, 10:11:32 PM »
A Van de Graaf generator is a kind of spherical capacitor.

(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/7/74/300px-Van_de_graaf_generator.svg.png)

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« Reply #156 on: January 25, 2008, 10:11:32 PM »
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #157 on: January 25, 2008, 10:30:57 PM »
A Van de Graaf generator is a kind of spherical capacitor.
yes, but I meant two spheres, one inside the other. btw what would be an easy and good way to create cilindrical or spherical caps?

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #158 on: January 25, 2008, 11:43:32 PM »
@all

I need to find the document but i remember something very similar to this concept they were calling it a 3rd kind of electricity, I don't agree with there nomenclature. Anyways it was a electrolysis setup and this mysterious 3rd current or whatever they want to call it showed up between the neutral plates between the electrodes. The load they ran off of it supposedly didn't load or affect the psu controlling the electrolysis, no change in amps or volts on the driven electrodes when a suitable load was applied to the neutral ones.  Sorry if this is no help i will keep searching through my backups.
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #159 on: January 26, 2008, 06:13:02 AM »
A Van de Graaf generator is a kind of spherical capacitor.
yes, but I meant two spheres, one inside the other. btw what would be an easy and good way to create cilindrical or spherical caps?

Make a sphere of a dielectric, coat it with conductive paint, electroplate, coat it with insulating lacquer, apply conductive paint, electroplate......and so on

The problem is drilling a hole and connect every second layer to one terminal and every other layer to a different terminal

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« Reply #160 on: January 26, 2008, 03:36:54 PM »
wow, sounds difficult. Perhaps it's better to start cylindrical. Could I just take some drinking glass with copper-foil inside and out and solder wires to this? Or am I thinking too simplistic?
Maybe cylinidrical (instead of spherical) is what we need anyway:

Quote from http://www.aspden.org.uk/2.htm
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I now ask you to keep in mind my reference to a radial electric field as I mention each of them below and do realize that electrical structures of cylindrical form are a key feature.
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #160 on: January 26, 2008, 03:36:54 PM »
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #161 on: January 26, 2008, 04:24:31 PM »
That makes a Leyden jar M@rcel,

Aluminium kitchen foil will do just as well and is easier to procure.

Hans von Lieven

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« Reply #162 on: January 26, 2008, 08:27:25 PM »

A possible solution to the kick.

Multiplication of power = multiplication of motion = high voltage.

All circuits contain both induction and capacitance. even a straight wire.  When power is first applied, maximum resistance is found in high induction circuits, which still have some capacitance. The capacitance absorbs the current, and expels it back into the inductance. the first action is energy stuffed into an extreemly small capacitance. Tesla followers should note this. Notice that the kick, is "electrostatic" in nature according to everybodies observations. Think about this, and you will know exactly what the kick is. Also, one might try to apply Bernulli's principle to this problem (really weird I know, but after all this is fluid dynamics at its best.), the higher the inductance, the higher the kick.....why? what does high inductance represent in the face of change?

Also, why has nobody taken a look at the force between charges recently? force decreases with the square of the distance, what doe this imply? A linear increase in voltage = a non linear, (squared) function??? HELLO!!!

Avramenko, Tesla, Frolov = one wire = super conduction at room temp.

this one is gold: EMF reproduces itself through induction, and dissipates itself through condution. How can we induct power instead of conducting it?

In the lines of the above reasoning an interesting paper that takes a half an hour to read ( and may be many more to understand  ... ) but may be very beneficial for understanding coil interaction with incoming electromagnetic waves. An exerb from the paper:
"The capacitive reactance of a tuning capacitor balanced the inductive reactance of the antenna coil, and positive feedback ("regeneration" or--reaction") was added to introduce negative resistance, which offset the real positive wire resistance of the coil. The result was a parallel resonant antenna coil circuit with an extremely small impedance at the resonant frequency. The mechanism by which such an antenna attains exceptional ,sensitivity is generally not understood or appreciated. The low circuit impedance permitted a large circulating current to flow when the cod was excited by an incoming signal field. This, large current caused the generation of a dipole electromagnetic field. The dipole field, in turn. interacted with the incident plane wave field in such a way that energy was funneled from a relatively large area of the wave front into the antenna coil."

Note that this paper can not be accessed freely on NASA website ( just says that is not available ... ) I bump in to it in one search in google :)  and it here it is bunched together with other things, it starts form page 62. The paper was first published: J F Sutton and GC. Spaniol, in Proceedings of the Inter_mtional Tesla 5ociety (IEEE) (Colorado Springs,
Colorado. 1988).

Hope this knowledge will help for the common good.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #163 on: January 26, 2008, 11:22:35 PM »
The way they talk about gravity... this paper is creepy.. :-\

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #164 on: January 26, 2008, 11:23:20 PM »
Hi All,
Today I started to try to put together the formulas for electricity including voltage, amperage and magnetism. The only formulas of these things seem to be corralled together into separate topics and never interweave. Capacitance and voltage suffer the same kind of separation. As I did this, and I am just beginning, I remembered a picture of iron - the ultimate electromagnet.

Same subject - different angle:
About 10 years ago I bought a used book called pyramid power by G.Patrick Flanagan (copywrite 1973). It happened to have the paper cover still intact. I have never seen a picture like this cover anywhere and I wonder how many others ever have. It is a picture of a few iron atoms taken by the radiation microscope. It shows that they take on a toroid shape and they are connected together by what looks like a 3 stranded ribbon wire. Check out the angles too.

I think anyone thinking about the TPU probably wants to see this picture.

jeanna

I moved the picture(s) to a new thread

please go to "Examples of TPU in Nature"

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3996.new.html#new

Thank you,
jeanna
« Last Edit: January 27, 2008, 11:29:28 PM by jeanna »

 

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