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Offline Rosphere

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #75 on: November 14, 2007, 08:07:46 PM »
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I would like to give an update on my activities since finishing my Rodin Coil.

I found my signal generator.  The first night I tried to use it, it stopped working.  I thought I had broken it and went to bed discouraged.  The next day I found that the casing was loose and the cap range selector knob had come apart inside.  I had trouble with this thing months ago; I forgot how temperamental it is.

My oscilloscope is still packed away but, as I always do when testing coils, I set my AM radio on the lowest frequency and placed it next to the ring during testing.  Even with fresh batteries, the sine wave is weak from my SG.  So, I tried the square waves and then I was able to hear "clicks" on the radio at lower frequencies which turned into tones of increasing pitch as I increased the frequency.

When I got to the 530 kHz range, my digital AM radio showed that it had locked into a signal at that range.  So, I moved the radio up a few notches until I found a station, I think it was 560AM or thereabout.  Then I slowly increased the frequency of my SG until it effectively blocked the radio station.  At this point I moved the radio away from the coil a few feet and then I could start to hear the radio station again, despite the blocking.  I have seen these effects with other coils that I have tested.  No big deal here.

I then found a coil, about the size and weight of a full penny-roll, that was once a part of my grandfather?s old 120V tester, placed it in the middle of the ring and connected it to a Fluke multi-meter.  At one particular frequency, somewhere in the 100 kHz range, I found a 20V AC reading on the Fluke-12.

I had a small compass in and around my coil during all of these frequency sweeps?nothing, no spinning.

Now, I am thinking about how to drive more power into my ring, and in the form of sine-waves, as the Rodin videos suggest.  I need to locate a patch cord to connect my computer headphone jack to my old ghetto-blaster.  Then I will hook-up my coils to the left and right speaker jacks, find a good free program to generate sine-waves that I can control the left and right speakers independently, and crank up the volume.  I am thinking that if I get any dangerous feedback my old boom-box will take the hit and spare my PC any damage.

In the meantime, EM Devices has caught my attention with his Tiny TPU.  If he posts enough data to replicate it then I will want to make the attempt.

Rosphere--more later
« Last Edit: November 17, 2007, 03:27:53 PM by Rosphere »

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #75 on: November 14, 2007, 08:07:46 PM »

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« Reply #76 on: November 15, 2007, 05:58:14 PM »
... find a good free program to generate sine-waves that I can control the left and right speakers independently,...

I was up late last night fishing around for a good program.  I downloaded a few and played around with them.  Most do not go above 100~200 kHz; I suppose that this is because higher frequencies are inaudible to humans and outside the reach of a PC sound card.  Even with this lower frequency limit, I am still interested in testing my Rodin Coil with more power.

To access the higher frequencies, with more power, I may be able to patch my signal generator through my boom-box.  However, this limits me to one signal, not two as with the software generators.

I hope that I discover something interesting to report this weekend.

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2007, 12:52:46 AM »
@all

As a matter of interest I was reading Rodin's site and came across the document by Tom Bearden towards the end which appears to explain how to generate OU from a coil like Rodin's... I have posted an annotated copy with my explanations on the TPU End Game thread here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2702.msg59428.html#msg59428

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« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2007, 12:52:46 AM »
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Offline Rosphere

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #78 on: November 16, 2007, 01:45:57 AM »
...I need to locate a patch cord to connect my computer headphone jack to my old ghetto-blaster....
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7.0;attach=14382;image)
I just found a nice one.  "Victory is mine!"

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7.0;attach=14383;image)
EDIT: My first test, induction from one coil to the other. (~3.9V sinusoidal wave input on first coil.)
« Last Edit: November 17, 2007, 05:34:25 PM by Rosphere »

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #79 on: November 16, 2007, 01:56:18 AM »
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To access the higher frequencies, with more power, I may be able to patch my signal generator through my boom-box.  However, this limits me to one signal, not two as with the software generators.

Hi Rosphere :)

You might try the parallel port and a step drive circ for delivering pulses http://electronics-diy.com/electronics/stepper_motors.php

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #80 on: November 16, 2007, 03:36:44 AM »
Oh.,, Rosphere,, you can be a twisted unit bro,,lmao

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #81 on: November 17, 2007, 05:32:29 AM »
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7.0;attach=14381;image)

Here are a couple videos that I just made.

I cut-off the bottom half of a water bottle and placed it in the center of the ring, (a good fit,) with several ounces of water.  I then taped a 3/8"^3 neo' magnet inside of a bottle cap, with its poles facing the O.D., (perpendicular to the axis of the cap,) sealed in the air with more tape, and placed some black tape on half of the circumference and half of one face for visibility.

The ring is being fed a sinusoidal wave ~5.4V at a frequency of 7.83Hz.  (The spinning effect occurs around the range of 6 to 11Hz.)

Enjoy.  :-*

EDIT: I first placed the neo' mag' in the center without the cup.  It had a tendency to flip around the center for a short time before being sucked under the coils.

Then I put the mag' in the cup, (no water.)  It flitted about the cup randomly, favoring ~42Hz.  Sometimes it would stop moving if it landed dead-center in the cup.

Finally, I tried the cap and water to give it some stability.  Rotation does not happen at ~42Hz, only around 6 to 11Hz.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2007, 05:32:24 PM by Rosphere »

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« Reply #82 on: November 17, 2007, 05:22:52 PM »
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7.0;attach=14379;image)

In this video I have removed all of the water from the cup and placed four 3/8"^3 neo'-mag's inside.  (I secured them together at a 45-degree difference between each other with tape for more "roll-ability."  They are all connected in attracting direction, just spun a bit on the axis.  The tape is there keep this orientation from slipping out of place during operation.  This step is not really necessary.  The assembly tumbles quite nicely just stuck together in a normal squarish fashion--I was just trying to see if I could get a bit more movement without those four flat sides to overcome.)

I am using a ten second loop of a sinusoidal frequency sweep from 440 to 1Hz.

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #83 on: November 19, 2007, 09:12:41 PM »
@rosphere

try powering your coil with AC over an aluminum plate, a normal coil will float on and off as demonstrated by Ben Rich, ex-head of Lockheed Skunkworks. Worth seeing what your rodin coil does, 12v may be enough!


also please find below a picture of stonehenge posted by innovation station on the GK Heterodyning thread... as noted by armagdn03 some interesting geometry is evident...

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Offline Rosphere

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« Reply #84 on: November 20, 2007, 01:13:54 AM »
try powering your coil with AC over an aluminum plate, a normal coil will float on and off as demonstrated by Ben Rich, ex-head of Lockheed Skunkworks. Worth seeing what your rodin coil does, 12v may be enough!

I tried that--no levitation,... no bunnies.  :( :D

The thickest aluminum plate that I have was peeled off of a roll from the kitchen, if you know what I mean.  What is the minimum thickness required for this levitation effect?

Also, I am not equipped to push 12V AC into my coil.  The maximum that I can deliver is nearly half that; almost 6V.  I suppose that I could use my 12V battery charger, but that would limit me 60Hz with an inverted negative polarity.

Because I routed the signal through my boom-box, I was able to use the volume control to lower the power to my previous maximum.  At this lower level I was unable to see some of the posted results that occurred at the highest volume, (voltage.)  I imagine that other thresholds of performance may exist at higher power levels.

If you would like to send me thicker aluminum and stronger equipment then I will more than happy to try it again.  ;)

Or, I may even sell my coil on eBay.  (I purchased my wire and foam ring from retail stores, instead of buying on-line, so my cost in parts alone was nearly $45 dollars.  Plus, I have several hours tied-up in construction.  So, I might start the bidding at $60?)

If anyone here has better equipment than me, and would like to purchase my coil for tests, then send me a PM and make me an offer.  I think that I have done all that I can do with what I have available to me.  The most that I have seen with this has already been posted in my videos and... I am starting to lose interest.  :-\

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #85 on: November 21, 2007, 03:43:14 PM »
 ;D


rosphere

dont lose intrest im just round the cornner

and will join the fun verry soon too but i have a few things to take care of first

after that lets start moveing things around the planet and hey who knows maybe across the universe  ;)

what do you say ?

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #86 on: November 21, 2007, 10:58:24 PM »
@Rosphere
    Very nicely done coil....  beautiful.

@All
   I have put together a pdf of my understanding (very basic) of the coil and the Numerology involved in why it is wrapped the way it is.
   Pg 1 is the coil setup that Rosphere did.
   Pg 2 is a coil setup using a different parameter (x = 4).  This causes the 2nd winding to be done in reverse. (not sure what would affect)
   Pg 3 is the same as Pg 1 except there are 72 points around instead of 36.... This should give a larger center and have a more circular toroid shape to it instead of the wedge going to the center.
   Pg 4 is the same as Pg 3 except using the (x = 4) parameter.
   Pg 5 is a diagram and examples I gleaned from the Roden coil and related information.

   Again, this is just my understanding... It could be right or wrong.    :-\

Nut

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #87 on: November 21, 2007, 11:53:34 PM »
what do you say ?
I'm speechless.  ;D

Very nicely done coil....  beautiful.
Thanks, man.  :)

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...This should give a larger center and have a more circular toroid shape to it instead of the wedge going to the center.
Or, the wedge, (profile,) may be important.  One never knows...  :'(

No offers yet for the coil.  I may hang-on to it.  If William makes one just like mine then we may finally be on the same wavelength.  :D

After all, I may eventually obtain better equipment.  I would like to get me one of those jdo300-MC-HV-SG units with phase control and automatic ice maker,  ;), when it comes out.

In the meantime, I have been having a bit of fun charging up a cap with my MOT, to a couple hundred volts, and pulsing the coil with one spark-gap burst.  It throws that four-neo-mag assembly, from my 'dry' video, clean out of the ring.  It reminds me of one of our cats when I suddenly move one of my unnoticed feet across the carpet.  Good times.  :D

Rosphere--heavy on the emote-icons lately  :P

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #88 on: November 22, 2007, 01:33:20 PM »
Rosphere

   Before you rid yourself of the coil perhaps you could run a test. Some where on this site there is a link to video of two guys from cal. who separated out inductive energy from resistive with a test rig made of air inductors and resisters run in series and then in parallel to prove some form of standing wave theory. Im new to this site so where it was is not so easy for me to find.
  Any way perhaps when pure inductance is fed into the coil at or from the beginning or end of one these test rigs it will suck in the corresponding opposite and missing other component which can be drawn through a load be it resistive or inductive depending on how the test rig is set up.
   The one repeating theme seams to be that what is perceived to be energy is actually a collection of different opposing individual energies which combine into useful power by modern day terms of power. If you can draw one of the components by setting up a situation where it is missing in a device that lends itself to being dependent on a balance of both maybe it will pull it in from who knows where.
  I have to go hunt that video link down and try to make some notes to try this out on my cooks coils since I spent the time to make them. I have never tried to make the one you have. I have a couple conical tesla coils I can run the test on also after the thanks giving day none sense is over.
   Have a happy Turkey Day guys
« Last Edit: November 23, 2007, 11:05:44 AM by Doug1 »

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #89 on: November 23, 2007, 09:03:00 PM »
@Nutcracker

Nice PDF...

@Rosphere

The aluminum used is typically 4-5mm thick and 12 volts may not be essential....

The magnet vids show a rotating vortex which is a good effect, I would hang on to that coil if I were you... few are patient enough to make a good job of one...

Acerzw

 

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