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Offline Rosphere

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2007, 03:06:05 AM »
Great job Rosphere. It looks like wrapping these coils is going to be a real challenge, and we thought the TPU was hard LOL.
@Rosphere

That coil is a work of art! Can't wait to hear how it works!

BTW what film is your avatar taken from?

Acerzw

Thank you, gentlemen.

My current avatar is a scene from, "It's a Wonderful Life."  Jimmy Stewart plays George Bailey who has just found himself in Pottersville, instead of Bedford Falls, to see what life would have been like if he had never,... shared his energy secrets.  Everybody buys their energy from Mr. Potter.

I may be off on a few details.

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Offline Rosphere

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2007, 03:20:28 AM »
Please, someone back me up on which way to wind.  I want to wind my second coil opposed to the first coil.

I had to wait all day Sunday because the store was closed.  I busted-up a good lunch-hour today racing out to buy the spool-o-wire.  The clock dragged-ass all afternoon because I could not wait to get home with my copper prize to finish my coil.

I finally get home, help my daughter with her math(s), help my son clean out his fish-tank-filter, and now here I sit here on my hands because I am not sure which way to wind the next wire.  >:(

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2007, 05:41:41 AM »
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It probably makes no difference which way I wind.  I can always switch the wire leads on one coil

I agree here. I think I remember in the video Robin mentioned the flow was opposite but the coils are wrapped the same way. I know it?s a lot of work wrapping those coils and hats off to you for the great work. If once you connect it up and play with the sines and there is no affects then perhaps as a last attempt someone could try wrapping a different coil a different way. But that is up to your own discretion Rosphere, use what your intuition dictates.

Cam 

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2007, 06:02:58 AM »
Hi Rosphere:

The work you have done is very impressive. I know how hard it is to wind a toroid by hand.

I'll second c0mster's motion for the opposite winding. But as c0mster said; use your intuition.

The reason I would like to see what happens with the windings going the other direction are at the bottom of this page:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3538.0.html

In spite of the fact that I am still recovering from being throughly embarrassed about loosing my virginity in the thread. You'll lnow what I mean if you go there. Although there were a couple of interesting posts here and I think the topic is a worthy one.

Take care.

nap

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2007, 02:24:05 PM »
In Marko's Videos he talks about XYZ vectors.  1 and 8 are the x axis, 4 and 5 are the y axis, 2 and 7 are the z axis.  Now if you look at how the coil is wound you can see 1 7 4 and 2 8 5 vectors.  The 174 vector is plus and the 285 vector is minus.

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2007, 03:11:45 PM »
@Rosphere,

WELL DONE, please go on with your implementation, in the mean time I'm preparing to do the same, just trying to find the correct annular plastic support. I'm courious to see the difference with the Caduceus I tested some time ag?. In those tests I were able to take out about 60W on a 230V lamp (no OU but near). I still have the test pictures that I will compare.

I'm not sure about what you want to do with the second opposing winding that you are going to wind, would you be so kind to detail?  With Caduceus coil I used it as a single coil but with an inner 90 degrees collector connected directly to lamp load.

Roberto

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2007, 07:54:34 PM »
I'm not sure about what you want to do with the second opposing winding that you are going to wind, would you be so kind to detail?

Hello, Roberto.  I hope that you are well.

Yes, It is difficult to describe with words alone what my question is regarding the winding of the second wire.  Since I am at work now, I have no time to make and post a drawing for clarity.  Referring to the figure that bocas posted above, I already have the red wire wound as shown (1 7 4, 1 7 4, 1 7 4,...) and my question is about winding the green wire.  There are two ways to wind the wire along the green path; to start-off winding over the top of the form (2 8 5, 2 8 5, 2 8 5,...) or to start off winding under the bottom of the form, (2 5 8, 2 5 8, 2 5 8,...).

Some have advised to wind the green wire in the same direction as the red wire and I can reverse the current if need be.  But this little voice inside keeps telling me to wind in the opposite direction.  I can not discern if this little voice is the voice of success or the voice of failure.  If I do wind in reverse and it turns out to be wrong, will swapping the current flow also work in this case?

I think the winding difference has to do with the direction of current flow from one wind to the next along the perimeter.  Perhaps I will make some detailed drawings showing what I mean after work today.  My issue is really quite simple, yet difficult to describe.  If you were in the same room with me and I had my coil in hand then I could show you what I mean in less than thirty seconds.  Perhaps I should make a short video clip.

Rosphere--more later

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Offline supersam

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2007, 10:10:46 PM »
rosophere,

first let me say great work on the coil!  i think i am beginning to catchup a little bit with your work and that post by boccus.

i  also agree with comster, that somewhere in the rodin videos, marko, said that the coil can be wound in the same direction because the math takes care of the problems.  i will continue to search, however a did find this quote in video five.  marko said, "linearity is what makes 3-d."  to me this says the same thing.  continue on in the same direction.  just my two cents worth.  at least if you keep going in the same direction you won't have to tear the whole coil back to foam.

lol
sam

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #53 on: November 06, 2007, 10:34:16 PM »
wow Rosphere. that looks like a chore to build. Sure is preedy tho. Nice to see you around again. :)

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2007, 11:09:35 AM »
Rosphere,

if I remember well the 'second winding' purpose is to allow  something like a bifilar approach: so possibility to cancel at a second level (?) the magnetic field or for signal extraction. None reported the use of second winding as tests run by JLN and Helwett & Packard have used only the Rodin as a single coil even if they have placed the second winding. Again NONE used the Rodin to provide power (in my knowledge) but only for behavior study. 

To summarize it could be useful wind both windings in the same direction, anyway this is what I'll do. Second I'll wind, as I've done with Caduceus coil, not not only one wire but rather 2 or 4 thin copper enamelled wire in parallel as I've already checked that this is far superior than the single wire run  (this in terms of output on lamp).

Again may be interesting to sneak a tick collector wire inside the annular form and try to collect power....

Now I'm still finding necessary components.....but I'll join you soon.

have fun

Roberto

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2007, 12:06:50 PM »
Hello all,

@Roberto

use at least 10 wires in paralel and wind the 2 coils in same direction. Make then 1 ECD control and pulse this little TPU.

A warning: your scope probe should be NEAR the output, not connected.

Otto

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Offline Rosphere

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2007, 01:28:02 PM »
wow Rosphere. that looks like a chore to build. Sure is preedy tho. Nice to see you around again. :)

Thanks, man.  It looks harder than it "turns-out" to be.  It is a hard start, what with all the measuring and winding to the correct points in the correct order and all.  But once you have laid the first wire to all of its twelve points, (one complete path,) and you practice wrapping alongside this path with a few more turns, you will start to pick-up a rhythm.

I put together this image last night.  I did not get as far as I wanted; I wanted to show a 2 x 2 matrix of the two winding methods with the two current flow directions.  I think the difference is subtle, but it may also be sublime.

Rosphere--off to work again, more later

EDIT: Better graphic on the way...  :-*
« Last Edit: November 08, 2007, 02:34:36 AM by Rosphere »

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #57 on: November 08, 2007, 01:59:47 PM »
Here it is.  More later.  Off to work again.  :P

[EDIT: Image moved to next page to join another.]
« Last Edit: November 10, 2007, 02:12:51 AM by Rosphere »

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2007, 05:22:42 AM »
wow the work in here lol

@rosphere

have we growen yet?     lol

nice to see your hard work  looks great

so  why not understand the tpu first it will make this job easy lol

1 more idea go get rodin 

i can and will build this lol

then we will make it better  8)

yes i can do it that too  as i think

but why?   we can do the same thing easyer lol

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2007, 06:55:37 AM »
1 more idea go get rodin 

I emailed him through his youtube account to come here, but I doubt he has time.  ;)  We'll see.

 

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