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Rodin Theory & Coils
« on: October 28, 2007, 10:26:57 PM »
@All, Welcome... Builders, Researchers and Theorists alike...  :)

I was researching the Steven Mark 'Toroidal Power Unit' and trying to help in the replication effort, I have now decided to work on Marko Rodin's Theory with the ideal of building a working Rodin Toroidal Power Generation Unit (RTPU)... based on a Rodin Coil... (thanks to wattsup for suggesting this thread, and for c0mstar for putting me onto Rodin's work.)

Rodin's theory is steeped in new age thinking and his claims are extraordinary, but if you put in the time to see past that you will see the undeniable truth of his new mathematics, which does show patterns in the basic theory of maths that have been missed until now, and does encompass all of existence... It will blow your mind...
 
so check out his site with an open mind:

http://www.rodinmath.com/

and his videos on you tube, here:

http://youtube.com/user/MarkoRodin

I will primarily work on Rodin Theory as I am really an analytical person and not a builder, though I will build if I really need to...

There is one thing I must state very clearly at the beginning of this thread:

Please approach what is written here with an open mind and before you post, please take time to understand the ideas on Marko Rodin's website. If you don't like his ideas or theories then you are probably not in the right place...

This thread is intended to be positive! Help keep it so!

A couple of simple requests to posters...

If you have more to add to a point you have already made, I would ask you to amend your original post if it does not alter its context within the thread (and thus make a later poster look like an idiot!) It saves space and makes the information content of the thread higher per post.. I adopt this practice so you may find if I have posted an answer to you that it might grow in time...  ;)

If you reference another posters ideas or information for the first time in this thread, please credit them by name and highlight their name in blue, credit where credit is due, also others can then research the original source posts.

Let the research and fun begin... :) and to give you a helping-hand/start please find below, the suggested build parameters for a basic coil (to help keep some uniformity to our endeavors, though do experiment outside of them) some useful links and a thread index  ;)

oh, and please PM me if you wish me to add/change anything below...

Suggested coil build parameters - updated 9 Nov 2007
work in progress... (thanks to Motorcoach1 for suggesting this section)
Absolutely no materials with high dialectric properties, to avoid magnetic saturation and field limitation
See JNaudin links for an idea, but don't use ferrite...

For practical Rodin coil winding advice, from a master, I recommend that you view Rosphere's posts from page 3 onwards! To see Rosphere's completed coil, a thing of beauty, look here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3529.msg58530.html#msg58530

circumference - suggestion only, a portable size 6 inch
air core material - ideally ceramic or other low diaelectric material, to avoid magnetic saturation
wire type - your choice, but must be (flat if pos.) single strand/solid copper (see note below*)
winding turns - multiple of 9, vortex (oscillations) centre number...
winding style - see Russel P. Blakes paper on Rodin's site, or examine JNaudin coil (see link below)
wire length - determined by number of winds, not critical at this stage
central energy collection rod - again not ferrite... copper?
waveform - sine, pure as possible... natures way...

* The fields created within multiple strand wire will create an uneven 'dirty' field, due to the fields of the individual strands interacting, which will then make the whole coil field 'dirty'. It will rotate etc, but I suspect the more interesting effects will not be present, the exact field topology is critical. Sloppy loose windings are also a big no, again they will distort the shape of the field.

Links to Rodin coil/toroid work elsewhere... - updated 30 Oct 2007
JNaudin's 1997 work - Basic coil tests (for his TEP device): http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/rcoil.htm
JNaudin's 1999 work - B Field torsion, rotating vortex: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/magvtx.htm (thanks Gothic)
Rodin Coil Design - Robert N Boyd: http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/rodin.htm
Segals Conformal Physics and the Rodin Toroid: http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/SegalConf2.html#spherekronegperm
Some Thoughts on Reading of Rodins Coil Design: http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/rodin.htm

Links to work that support Rodin's... - updated 29 Oct 2007

Index of Important Posts - updated 9 Nov 2007

This will be updated from time to time, showing the last update of each important post... (thanks to Motorcoach1 for the idea) Join the effort, get your work listed here... credit where credit is due :) but note if a post's importance is surpassed by another then it will be replaced! Yes and that includes my own... all equals here...

        Post Theme                                                        Maintainer      Last Update (probably... not real-time)
Basic Rodin Coil Theory - Early Ideas              Acerzw          28 Oct 2007 11:08
        http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3529.msg56561#msg56561
Nutcrackers Coil Numerology                          Nutcracker     21 Nov 2007 09:58pm
        http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3529.msg60505.html#msg60505
Basic Rodin Pattern Theory - PDF (on hold)     Acerzw          30 Oct 2007 00:31
        http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3529.msg56628#msg56628
Coil Winding Diagram                                      Bocas            06 Nov 2007 01:24
        http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3529.msg57897.html#msg57897
Coil Winding Quandry - Which way to wind?   Rosphere       08 Nov 2007 12:59
        http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3529.msg58184.html#msg58184
Completed Rodin Coil - A Work of Art!             Rosphere       10 Nov 2007 22:28
        http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3529.msg58530.html#msg58530
« Last Edit: November 23, 2007, 08:55:31 PM by acerzw »

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Rodin Theory & Coils
« on: October 28, 2007, 10:26:57 PM »

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2007, 10:50:08 PM »
@all

at wattsup's suggestion I intend to contact Marko Rodin to ask if he will participate in this thread and will add any response on this post.

Update: I have today at 28 October 2007 10:15 UK time sent the following message to Marko Rodin using the 'contact us' email link on his website:

Hello, this is an open invitation to Marko Rodin to work with like minds in an open forum dedicated to the betterment of humanities lot in the area of power generation, please pass it on to him...

Marko,

I have had the privilege of working on Overunity.com for some time with a very dedicated group of people who have been endeavoring to reverse engineer a free energy device... Steven Mark's toroidal power unit... this effort has been sustained for 10 years,,, it is not finished, but no working theory is available for the device... so the effort is a struggle... this group has an amazing breath of knowledge and expertise around toroid coils...

I have recently been made aware of your work and being an intuitive person and with the experience and education I have gained from the above group can see that the potential for a free energy device based on your coil design is unparalleled...

I am aware of the control you need over the development of your theories and work based on them, but also note your philanthropic desire to better humanities lot...

I believe I speak for all in the group when I say that it is as goal we all share with you...

I would therefore like to extend a humble invitation to you to work with us if you wish, I am sure many would be prepared to help and put their knowledge and expertise toward bringing your ideas to fruition...

The following link will point you to the groups work on the above mentioned replication effort, which I think will show our seriousness, dedication and credentials (given the number of posts alone):

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?board=49.0

and the link below is to a new thread which I have created with discussing your theories in application to practical devices:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3529.0

Kind Regards

Robert ***** (overunity.com forum name Acerzw)


26 November 2007 - Marko Rodin makes contact...
« Last Edit: November 27, 2007, 04:49:35 AM by acerzw »

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2007, 10:51:49 PM »
I have always been intrested in the Rodin coil set up. this is the first time that I've really looked into this. let's pick out a good base matierial to wind it from so we can colaborate as we work. I'll be studying up and look at all his videos and take some notes. Instead of reposting I'll just be adding to this post. I'll begain each new reply with (update-and the date) so as not to add confusion. This would help if everyone did this on there post. please let me know if you think this would work. the only draw back if may not autosend to Email to let people know of new postings. Mike

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2007, 10:52:31 PM »
JLN labs has done some work with these unusual type coils, here is the link:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/magvtx.htm

I wish you luck and good fortune with this.

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2007, 11:29:02 PM »
@Gothic, thanks for the link, will add that to my first post index... :)

@Mike (Motorcoach1)

Nice to have you on board!  :)

Yes, that is what I had in mind also, though when you have a completely new idea or reply to someone else's post, you probably should start a new post...

As an extension of your idea, I will add an index to my opening post to important posts that are made... these posts can then be updated as necessary and I will put the last time updated on the index next to each entry from time to time..

I personally will not miss the email post update notification, as I will check back here most days... (and get enough spam already.)

Acerzw, making this thread easy to access for newbies and all alike..
« Last Edit: October 29, 2007, 02:22:55 AM by acerzw »

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Re: Rodin Theory & Coils
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2007, 11:37:10 PM »
@ Acerzw- Agreed in post replys to new posts, index sounds great .

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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2007, 12:02:24 AM »
(Index entry - Basic Rodin Coil Theory - Early Ideas, Updated 28 Oct 2007 11:26)

@All, Motorcoach

I think we need to work out a way to make Rodin coils, JNaudins work may be flawed to an extent because his coils used a core... see the below quote from Russ Blake's paper Analysis of the Rodin Coil and it's Applications on Rodin's site, this should be a key starting point for us... I know it is about motors but the same principles must apply to a power generator, so a Rodin air coil may be the way to go or if we can find a decent core material as you suggest. So maybe as a builder you can figure a method of making a roding coil around air, eek!

Motors

The increase in magnetic field over a conventional coil that is found with a Rodin Coil has been observed to be limited if the hollow torus is replaced by the ferrite core used in conventional electric motors. The reason is that the ferrite core reaches magnetic saturation, beyond which no additional magnetic field can be produced. Assuming this difficulty can be overcome by judicious choice of core materials, or that hollow cores can produce enough current, a motor based on the Rodin Coil could be markedly more efficient at generating electrical energy than a conventionally constructed electric motor. (The possibility of a hollow core electric motor is exciting due to the light weight of such a design.) Under this assumption, Rodin Coil motors would be useful in any application where energy consumption must be limited, such as marine, caravan, and space environments where available power sources are restricted; high pollution zones where fossil fuel consumption must be conserved; isolated or unmanned stations with limited fuel capacity and refueling difficulties; and portable motor-driven equipment of every description where battery weight is an issue.

No work has yet been done to create a motor using a Rodin Coil as a building block.

All of the work on Rodin Coils to date has been with 2D coils wrapped on the surface of a torus. Starting with the fact that the numerical patterns of the Rodin Torus has resulted in more efficient 2D coils, one can easily surmise that a layered torus wrapped in 3D would achieve an even much higher efficiency. No work has yet been done on 3D toroidal coils.

In regard to core materials this may be relevant (also from his site):

Microscopic Underpinning Nested Vortices

Every continuous medium has the inherent capability to be superconductive based on harmonic cascadence. Examples of continuous mediums, in the form of a toroidal matrix, are tornados, hurricanes, water spouts, solar systems, galaxies, black holes/white holes and maelstroms. There are many other examples of localized space-time implosions which Rodin refers to as underpinning nested vortices. Whether energy is maintained and survives in the form of a toroid, or spiral helix, or goes through mitosis and duplicates itself, is determined by whether or not nested underpinning vortices are staggered or aligned in their World Boundary Condition. A World Boundary Condition is represented in Vortex-Based Mathematics by the harmonic shear which, in the Rodin Torus Coil, turns into an electrical shear and allows for two electrical conducting wires to be touching each other side by side without shorting out regardless of the total amount of energy output. In a Rodin Coil, no insulation is ever needed to protect it from short-circuiting.

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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2007, 12:39:33 AM »
A while back I was looking at Pewski site and read up on the Rodin coil and some of the problems with the ferrit cores and have been studying about coils and windings. I agree that the hollow core is best for magnetic flux at greater field. I have made hollow cores before out of nurmouis matierials , this one it seams that a nonmagnetic ceramic that has good static properties would be a good canadate. This would be for something like the TPU rather that a motor application. what I'm looking for is something that has a static vortex (magnetic resonate) that can be taped. I'm sure that the Goberment has been working on this, one of the acknowledgements was from nasa. The round toy donuts sold at toy stores would work as a starter, the set comes in differet sizes and there fairly uniform in shape and cheep. the matieialI belive is polypropeline and has good electron migration holding. now to figure out the freq's to operate and the wire size. have you ever watched Dave Srader vids on UFO's and his math fourmula \?. very intresting Vid   

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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2007, 12:53:56 AM »
@Motorcoach1

That sounds a good base for a coil build, simple is the key here... however the ceramic might be good too but I think we need to be really careful to avoid the magnetic saturation issue as mentioned in the 'Motor' quote I posted earlier... I wonder if the material of a hollow ceramic toroid would become saturated and act as a barrier or affect the field within the hollow core... my physics knowledge is not good enough to answer that question  :(

Could you post a link to the Peswiki stuff, I had a look... but could not find it, is it still there? Update: The site may have not been peswiki, however I will trawl the net on a regular basis adding useful links to the index for all... and will add any links that others post that are useful too...

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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2007, 01:05:46 AM »
nondielectric matierials have a higher saturation point unlike metals. I'll look around and find a canadate or make a few so we have the same materials. I like to recycle things so i'm sure I can come up with something to get started. set up a base of pramiters we want to work with and where we want to go with it and put this in the index.

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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2007, 01:17:55 AM »
@Motorcoach1...

The parameters, we will have to feel/intuit them at first, I will put the basic build parameters in the index as we develop them, since you have build experience, please comment on them, suggest others, I will probably just start with a suggestion as to a standard coil size... what do you suggest as a good size?

Note: The papers on Rodin's site show there are many potential theoretical coil configurations, so part of the challenge will be to use his theory, which will take a fair amount of research, in order to figure out what each possible configuration may do... I suspect that the numbers hold the key and that each may affect different physical properties of reality... so we might discover an anti-grav coil by accident  ::)

Once I have boned up on his theory enough, I will try to see if I can work out which configuration will be best... may take some time... but well worth the effort...

I hope Marko Rodin makes contact, so much we could learn...

Acerzw

p.s. slightly off-topic but Rodin's ideas about DNA are supported by an image that wattsup keyed me onto, he posted a link on the TPU thread (http://keelynet.com/unclass/hardy1.htm). It was done with a Tesla coil... but makes you wonder what a good Rodin coil would do if it was used in this way! Tom Bearden often mentions the multi-dimensional nature of parts of Tesla's designs... which is a clear link with the Maths of Rodin's... plus see the paper by Tom Bearden at the end of Rodin's site... supporting his ideas... wow...
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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2007, 07:58:53 AM »
Hello all,

I have over a year a Rodin coil TPU. It works good.

Inner diameter 4", outer diameter 6".

You already mentioned the JLN labs page where I found this Rodin coil. Dont complicate it. Just make a donat ring with cork in the dimensions you want and wind the Rodin coil.

If you built it properly you will have a giant magnetic field if you pulse this coil. It was the best and biggest magnetic field I ever saw.

All the time I have 2 TPUs: 1 with a Rodin coil collector and 1 with a Mobius coil collector so I can see whats better.

Now a little warning: your oscilloskopes are in dasnger!!

Otto

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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2007, 08:24:34 AM »
@otto

Thanks for the warning, nice to hear you had a good and interesting field, yes basic is the way to go...

otto, what did you pump your coil with, sine or square waves? can you post a picture of your coil here with some basic specs? how did you wind it?

Cork electrical properties: http://www.scientific.net/0-87849-402-2/940/

I think we must use sines for this project, if possible... given that nature uses sines...

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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2007, 09:22:08 AM »
Hello all,

@Acerzw

I pulsed always my coils with square waves until I bought last week tubes.

At Naudins page you can find everything. A picture of my Rodin coil TPU would show you nothing because the Rodin coil is totally isolated with isolation band.

1. make a drawing on paper with the wanted dimensions
2. every 10? make a mark because the windings are in such a manner
3. my Rodin coil has 11 wires for A and 11 wires for B
4. wire diameter is #24 = 0,5mm
5. core made with cork

I dont know how long the wires are because I made my coil a loooong time ago and didnt wright down the lenght.
From my dimension, 6" outer, 4" inner diameter, you see that you cant wind it like in the picture. Its easy: just imagine, your hole in the middle is much bigger then that one in the picture.
ALL wires from 1 turn to the NEXT are concentrated at the INNER diameter. In this way you have also concentrated the magnetic field inside the donut.
I didnt measure the resistance or anything.

This Rodin coil I use as a collector. As controls I use my ECD coils.

Sorry, my picture was a quick one.

Otto





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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2007, 01:52:38 PM »
@otto

Thanks for your coil details... If I am understanding your diagram correctly your coil winding indicates that it is not a true Rodin coil... perhaps an otto custom job?... I think that for our new efforts here must stick to the winding style or described in the Russ Blake's paper on Rodin's site... since his coil design is based on a form of pure topologically precise maths... still interesting post...

Acerzw
« Last Edit: November 09, 2007, 08:35:59 PM by acerzw »

 

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