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Omnibus

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2007, 02:49:49 AM »
omnibus, i assume you are being sarcastic.  I was trying to build a magnet motor using perendev as a design.  BUT IT DIDNT WORK!!!  At least is shows my ability to design or reverse engineer something and cut it out with a laser...whatever...
I think you've done a great job cutting out details with a laser. As far as working as perendev does, I think you need to apply some more effort in tuning it up. All similar devices suffer from this same weaknes--extremely difficult to tune them up. I wonder if you paid attention to what I was saying in connection with Torbay. I think the problem he had in NYC was that his motor was disassembled at the border (an usual procedure nowadays when an unusual device enters the US) and he couldn't put it back together again in a working condition. Even the constructor of the device wasn't able to do it, can you imagine. There's more than meets the eye with these pmm's. On the face of it they look symmetric and perfectly manufactured. The fields that act, though, the fields our eyes can't see, are usually not in such a great shape. If you measure the magnetic field around each one of your ostensibly equal in shape magnets you'll notice they aren't at all the same. Adjustment of the magnetic fields is the key issue here and before you're sure you've done everything in this respect (a very difficult task) you shouldn't give up, turning your creation into a trivial, useless brake or what not.

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2007, 02:09:45 PM »
Dear laserman!

Now I am going to make a Perendev replica, too. In Russia we have Godin-Roschin mashine that use Searl-effect, but have no schemes, how to build it. Can you provide me with the schemes you used creating your replica of Perendev?

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2007, 03:49:03 PM »

Hi vvkarelin,

If you are interested in the Perendev device, you could find here a ((not yet  :-\ ?)  working) replication:

http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/dupreprotoperendev.htm
It is in French (but not the pictures and the drawings  :))

(http://freenrg.info/Img/perendevdupreprotofini.JPG)

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2007, 04:01:18 PM »
@NerzhDishual,

This looks more or less like the replication which someone manufactured for Sterling Alen. This isn't what Mike Brady's device is seen to be in the video--the stators in Brady's motor approach the rotor differently. This isn't unimportant. As an example, recall that if you start the ball at point C rather than at point A in this experiment: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2383887636280790847 the ball will not compete the loop.

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2007, 04:10:04 PM »
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This isn't what Mike Brady's device is seen to be in the video--the stators in Brady's motor approach the rotor differently.

Yes that's right, the replication shown isn't like the perendev pmm, because it doesn't have the big motor powering it like the one in perendev's video has just out of shot.

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2007, 04:14:40 PM »
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This isn't what Mike Brady's device is seen to be in the video--the stators in Brady's motor approach the rotor differently.

Yes that's right, the replication shown isn't like the perendev pmm, because it doesn't have the big motor powering it like the one in perendev's video has just out of shot.
No, that's not the reason why the shown device differs from Mike Brady's. Why it differs I've identified in the previous post.

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2007, 04:21:05 PM »

@Omnibus

Thanks for the link.

Please, note that the guy who has replicated the motor is not saying that it will not work. He (still) believes that the Perendev motor works. He is just searching how   ???.
At the end of the web page is his  notably, wondering whether there could not be some gaps in the magnets's row. (a non continuous magnets's distribution).

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #52 on: October 30, 2007, 04:22:47 PM »
Those who have done scientific research, especially in experimental sciences such a Chemistry and Physics know that reproducing previous results sometimes is one of the most difficult parts of the research. One cannot play with that by imagining that results can be reproduced by just approximating the previous study and not following exactly the methods and procedures of the originator. Again, it's like thinking that you can reproduce the result in http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2383887636280790847 by ignoring what is done there and imagining that the same result will be obtained by starting the loop at point C.

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #53 on: October 30, 2007, 04:29:30 PM »

@Omnibus

Thanks for the link.

Please, note that the guy who has replicated the motor is not saying that it will not work. He (still) believes that the Perendev motor works. He is just searching how   ???.
At the end of the web page is his  notably, wondering whether there could not be some gaps in the magnets's row. (a non continuous magnets's distribution).

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Of course, one thing Brady must do if he really cares about Science and acceptance of his device by Science is to very thoroughly describe what is done for his motor to spin without the input of external energy. Many people are just dreamers and naively think that such devices will bring them wealth through playing games of secrecy. The only thing such games will bring these people is obsolescence and ridicule. Not to say that such devices are everything the business hates and will never allow to spread., let alone earn money.

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #54 on: October 30, 2007, 04:31:16 PM »
Also, as I said, this French person as well as the likes of Sterling Alen should first try to reproduce the device as presented by its original constructor and then fantasize of other constructions. Simple as that.

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #55 on: October 30, 2007, 06:42:53 PM »
There is no evidence that the perendev motor was started by a motor on  the unseen side.  Or should I say there is no evidence that the motor spun up by itself.  There are stops and starts on the video.  Brady has for surly read the comments accusing him of using a motor to spin it up.  If it starts on its own and i were him, i would take 4 minutes out of my life and make and post a new video of machine that will eliminate these comments.  To rebuild mine to recently discovered information, i would have to re make all three rotors providing a 50 percent overlap of magnets.  my rotor magnets are equally spaced and do not overlap.  I would have to also providing some kind of shielding on the attraction side of rotor mags.  I am not trying to change the world, I just want a running pmm on my desk to amuse myself.  So i am now looking into the bowman design.  I guess i missed the loop on Torbay that omnibus suggested and ill look into that.  If some one is willing to take over this perendev pmm i have we can discuss.  I will listen and take into consideration to any suggestions that others may have.

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #56 on: October 30, 2007, 06:51:08 PM »
There is no evidence that the perendev motor was started by a motor on  the unseen side.  Or should I say there is no evidence that the motor spun up by itself.  There are stops and starts on the video.  Brady has for surly read the comments accusing him of using a motor to spin it up.  If it starts on its own and i were him, i would take 4 minutes out of my life and make and post a new video of machine that will eliminate these comments.  To rebuild mine to recently discovered information, i would have to re make all three rotors providing a 50 percent overlap of magnets.  my rotor magnets are equally spaced and do not overlap.  I would have to also providing some kind of shielding on the attraction side of rotor mags.  I am not trying to change the world, I just want a running pmm on my desk to amuse myself.  So i am now looking into the bowman design.  I guess i missed the loop on Torbay that omnibus suggested and ill look into that.  If some one is willing to take over this perendev pmm i have we can discuss.  I will listen and take into consideration to any suggestions that others may have.
See, the thing is, Brady couldn't care less to convince anybody. I experienced the same attitude with Finsrud. As for your effort, I think you're doing a great job but you should somehow change ways and get exactly into Mike Brady's rut (forgive the joke). Please try to study carefully what Brady has done and replicate it as closely as possible. Also, try to speak with him. I've spoken with him on several occasions and I'm finding him to be a very pleasant person. Unfortunately, as it seems, there are others, probably lawyers, who are preventing him from being more open. You may try to talk with him, though, and see what his reaction will be. The input of the original constructor is very important in such cases, needless to say.

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #57 on: October 30, 2007, 07:18:35 PM »
Dear laserman!

Now I am going to make a Perendev replica, too. In Russia we have Godin-Roschin mashine that use Searl-effect, but have no schemes, how to build it. Can you provide me with the schemes you used creating your replica of Perendev?

i can send you a corel file or an eps file of design if you would like.

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #58 on: October 30, 2007, 11:48:52 PM »
There's more than meets the eye with these pmm's. On the face of it they look symmetric and perfectly manufactured. The fields that act, though, the fields our eyes can't see, are usually not in such a great shape. If you measure the magnetic field around each one of your ostensibly equal in shape magnets you'll notice they aren't at all the same. Adjustment of the magnetic fields is the key issue here ...

How can we open our eyes and see what we are working with here?

I agree this is a major problem when working with magnet motors, the complete blindness of it.


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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2007, 12:09:10 AM »
There's more than meets the eye with these pmm's. On the face of it they look symmetric and perfectly manufactured. The fields that act, though, the fields our eyes can't see, are usually not in such a great shape. If you measure the magnetic field around each one of your ostensibly equal in shape magnets you'll notice they aren't at all the same. Adjustment of the magnetic fields is the key issue here ...

How can we open our eyes and see what we are working with here?

I agree this is a major problem when working with magnet motors, the complete blindness of it.


That's a question I'm asking myself for quite a while (I read somewhere that some birds have the ability to see the magnetic fields, if this is any consolation). The thing to do now is to follow exactly the recipes of someone like @xpenzif or the Lego Perpetuum Mobile constructor, that is, of those who seem to have it working and try to reproduce it exactly as theirs first trying to put our inventiveness aside for a while.