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Author Topic: Are there any running magnet motors?  (Read 36956 times)

NobleWolf

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2007, 08:03:59 AM »
Btw, do you know how much energy is required to magnetise a neo magnet? I have no data on that.

check this, it may help...

http://www.consult-g2.com/course/chapter5/chapter.html

hansvonlieven

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2007, 09:34:29 AM »
G'day all,

Thanks for the link NobleWolf, this is helpful though not specific enough for what I have in mind. I'll do a bit more ferreting :-)

@klicUK

Exactly my point. There are people here that claim they have conclusively proven OU because of that silly SMOT. No-one has pushed the steel ball into the gate often enough to come anywhere close to the amount of energy it took to magnetise the material. To speak of Overunity being conclusively proven under such circumstances is an emotional wishful thinking type statement, not science.

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2007, 08:30:01 PM »
G'day all,

Thanks for the link NobleWolf, this is helpful though not specific enough for what I have in mind. I'll do a bit more ferreting :-)

@klicUK

Exactly my point. There are people here that claim they have conclusively proven OU because of that silly SMOT. No-one has pushed the steel ball into the gate often enough to come anywhere close to the amount of energy it took to magnetise the material. To speak of Overunity being conclusively proven under such circumstances is an emotional wishful thinking type statement, not science.

Hans von Lieven
This is, of course, nonsense. That CoE can be violated ha been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. What remains now is to utilize it in a working motor which is only an engineering problem, no matter how daunting. Recently, very promising proposals are emerging and the practical solution, reproducible by independent parties is just around the corner.

laserman

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2007, 09:01:41 PM »
Thank you everyone for their insight.  What I gather is that it hasn't been done yet...so all that means   is... I am not a complete failure... i just haven't figured it out yet.  When one says that it cant be done i read into that statement..."jumbo jets will never fly" or "there is no such thing as alien spacecraft" or as far as that goes..."there is no God".  When I said magnet motor, I was probably really meaning a perpetual momentum toy that will sit on my desk and spin or twirl for my own amusement. Over unity as i understand is more out than put in...I dont care about the billions of dollars spent on resources or in machinery to make a ND magnet, IMHO if one puts those data points into the equation...one will NEVER achieve over unity.  IF you read this response please check it again as i will post my perendev braking system i developed here as soon as i can figure out how to post pics here.  I appreciate everone's comments except for maby borg's which was kind of smartass but i may have liked his the most because he is most like me.

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2007, 09:09:36 PM »
Thank you everyone for their insight.  What I gather is that it hasn't been done yet...so all that means   is... I am not a complete failure... i just haven't figured it out yet.  When one says that it cant be done i read into that statement..."jumbo jets will never fly" or "there is no such thing as alien spacecraft" or as far as that goes..."there is no God".  When I said magnet motor, I was probably really meaning a perpetual momentum toy that will sit on my desk and spin or twirl for my own amusement. Over unity as i understand is more out than put in...I dont care about the billions of dollars spent on resources or in machinery to make a ND magnet, IMHO if one puts those data points into the equation...one will NEVER achieve over unity.  IF you read this response please check it again as i will post my perendev braking system i developed here as soon as i can figure out how to post pics here.  I appreciate everone's comments except for maby borg's which was kind of smartass but i may have liked his the most because he is most like me.
Overunity is indeed more out than put in and this has already been achieved beyond a shadow of a doubt. What we're talking about here is obtainment of the 'out' at the expense of nothing 'in'. This is what these 'perpetuum mobile' motors are. Good luck with your project. Wouldn't it be possible to post a video istead of pics?

klicUK

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2007, 09:11:41 PM »

This is, of course, nonsense. That CoE can be violated ha been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. What remains now is to utilize it in a working motor which is only an engineering problem, no matter how daunting. Recently, very promising proposals are emerging and the practical solution, reproducible by independent parties is just around the corner.

Just curious, but how has CoE being violated been "proven beyond a shadow of doubt". I thought that's why Steorn was keeping things so close to their chest until the jury of 22 respectable scientists could publish their results. Now I have a gut feel that you are right, at least CoE may be able to be violated. If there is ever a truly inert magnetic sheild, ie not paramagnetic, then virtually all magnet motors that have ever been thought of could be made to work.

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2007, 09:17:30 PM »

This is, of course, nonsense. That CoE can be violated ha been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. What remains now is to utilize it in a working motor which is only an engineering problem, no matter how daunting. Recently, very promising proposals are emerging and the practical solution, reproducible by independent parties is just around the corner.

Just curious, but how has CoE being violated been "proven beyond a shadow of doubt". I thought that's why Steorn was keeping things so close to their chest until the jury of 22 respectable scientists could publish their results. Now I have a gut feel that you are right, at least CoE may be able to be violated. If there is ever a truly inert magnetic sheild, ie not paramagnetic, then virtually all magnet motors that have ever been thought of could be made to work.

Steorn's is only one of the many promising designs (one of the better ones) that have been proposed for utilizing the violation of CoE. The first ever rigorous scientific analysis for the violation of CoE was carried out in connection with the SMOT. In it it was proven that energy out of nothing can be obtained discontinuously. Continuous production of energy from nothing is done by the permanent magnet motors we're discussing. Unfortunately, so far none has been demonstrated such that independent parties can reproduce it, as science requires. This will soon change, as is becoming more and more obvious.

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2007, 09:24:28 PM »

Unfortunately, so far none has been demonstrated such that independent parties can reproduce it, as science requires. This will soon change, as is becoming more and more obvious.

Well I hope your right. I'm still pluggin away, and it's not because I think it can't be done.


laserman

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2007, 12:16:25 AM »
Hope you can see these pics!

Omnibus

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2007, 12:22:09 AM »
What do you mean by "perendev braking system"?

P.S. Boy, these are some of the best creations I've seen in this area of research (perpetuum mobile). You may be only a step away from the real thing. Best of luck.

laserman

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2007, 12:27:24 AM »
Maby this movie will work.  I know i am only showing one stator moving in but it stops faster with two stators.  This prototype if for sale if anyone is interested! ;D

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2007, 12:34:04 AM »
omnibus, my joke is that this is a perfect magnetic brake not a magnetic motor,  As the perendev motor video shows, when the stators are moved in the motor starts to spin and go really fast...When I move my stators in Hulk Hogan cant spin the armature.  I built the perfect brake system!!!

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2007, 02:10:25 AM »
Maby this movie will work.  I know i am only showing one stator moving in but it stops faster with two stators.  This prototype if for sale if anyone is interested! ;D
I don't get it. What's the point? Why all this effort to build this beautiful device only to show something trivial?

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2007, 02:21:04 AM »
Good on you laserman,

There is nothing trivial about a frictionless efficient braking system, I hope you make millions.

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Re: Are there any running magnet motors?
« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2007, 02:34:33 AM »
omnibus, i assume you are being sarcastic.  I was trying to build a magnet motor using perendev as a design.  BUT IT DIDNT WORK!!!  At least is shows my ability to design or reverse engineer something and cut it out with a laser...whatever...