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Author Topic: Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?  (Read 24802 times)

mikey

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Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?
« on: October 22, 2007, 03:07:33 PM »
Dear All,

Has anyone ever attempted a replication of Jan Cack?s KISS PMM?

These two links may offer some help for those not familiar with it:

http://www.fdp.nu/cack_movie/janpcack.asp

http://www.fdp.nu/cack_movie/johnself.asp

If anyone has managed to replicate it, what kind of difficulties did you get in to?

Thanks,

Mikey

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Re: Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2007, 04:01:27 PM »
Also just noticed this link on the same site as well. Provides for a better visual.

http://www.fdp.nu/cack_movie/JanPCackFemm.htm


Mikey

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Re: Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2007, 03:34:12 PM »
Seriously, has no one replicated this?

Am I missing something obvious here? Does this idea not look promising?

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Re: Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2007, 09:43:36 PM »
Yes, someone did. It didn't work.
Eric

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Re: Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2007, 11:13:36 AM »
Wow!! Now that's some setup!! Shame it didn't work.

Thanks Eric, I appreciate your reply.

Will save me time going down a blind alley where I could spend it on other stuff that has potential.

Thanks again!!

Mike

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Re: Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2007, 02:18:14 PM »
Now, Eric, that's a really good job you've done. It seems, however, you're showing the device taken apart. Could it be that proper adjustment of the missing stator magnets is the key? I'm reading how it has been for  @RHEAD100 when replicating @zpenzif's device. Could you play a little more with these magnets until they get into their favorable positions?

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Re: Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2007, 03:15:50 PM »

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Re: Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2007, 08:11:29 PM »
I have started on this replication as it been on my TO-DO list for a while.

Just now waiting for correct magnets to arrive from Germany and some RC bearings.

Main bits are cut out and waiting. Really pleased how the CNC machine handled the Cogs, must admit :)

Stuck to Jan Cack?s design ratio of 4:1 and using 72 teeth on Main wheel, 18 on the Stator Wheels.

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/kiss1.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/kiss2.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/kiss3.jpg)

(http://www.overunity.org.uk/kiss4.jpg)

Will let ya now if anything exciting hapens :)

Cheers

Sean


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Re: Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2007, 08:24:48 PM »
Very cool setup.
I guess you have access to a NC mill or a plexiglas laser cutter?
Good luck in your ongoing replication.

Opps, I just read that you had a CNC machine. Really cool milling.

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Re: Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2007, 11:34:09 AM »
Sean,

That's truly an amazing setup!!

I shall be keeping my fingers crossed for you and look forward to your results.

Just out of interest, was your CNC machine expensive?

Cheers,

Mike

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Re: Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2007, 12:04:48 PM »
Dear All,

Has anyone ever attempted a replication of Jan Cack?s KISS PMM?

These two links may offer some help for those not familiar with it:

http://www.fdp.nu/cack_movie/janpcack.asp

http://www.fdp.nu/cack_movie/johnself.asp

If anyone has managed to replicate it, what kind of difficulties did you get in to?

Thanks,

Mikey

Similar to Jan P. Cack device shown working here?
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=wcy0tedYBMg
Rotor magnets rotation around their axis and translation relative to the stators appears along the same principle.
Eric, Sean, some very nice workmanship there.
Thanks for posting.

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Re: Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2007, 12:36:24 PM »

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Re: Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2007, 03:10:03 PM »
www.pese.cjb.net

What kind of bullshit spam virus link is this!?!?!?
Stop posting crap stuff like that. It's totaly annoying.

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Re: Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2007, 04:45:40 PM »
Hi,

this video ( http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=wcy0tedYBMg )  is faked,  see this comment on it here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3245.msg50812#msg50812

Gyula
Hi Gyula,
I saw that post but I have to disagree. If you use full screen and go frame by frame one would notice:
The center post and pulley is stationary.(e,g. frames around 00:07)
The base of the lego set is sitting on top of a desk.
The 4 rotating magnets are all interconnected via the bands/strings, from their own free to rotate pullies to the center stationary one. Similar to a planetary gear system, with an extra "planet" ring
Because they are interconnected their relative motion is not the same as one just one magnet against another single one. This is a far more complex magnetic interaction system. I?ve also looked at the Lego blocks that are sold with magnets in them. Each has 2 small neo rods, oriented vertically and placed inside the 2 plastic round cylinders in the underside of the blocks. Those who have played with them before would know what I mean. Assuming from the video he used the standard magnetic blocks of this type, then  there are a total of 16 magnets in this setup. Again this is a complex magnetic interaction system.

could be a colored (transclear type) or a sets of 2 mini blocks
see pics http://stores.ebay.com/iLegos_Specialty-Parts_W0QQfsubZ119513819QQfrsrcZ1

Back to the motor.
Since the center post/pulley is not rotating I cannot see a function of a motor there in the center.
The Lego base (blue) is  thin and so is the green rotor base, with no other wholes or possibilities of a motor shaft through it anywhere else to impart motion on the green base through the shaft.
If there is a motor and to get such relative rotation between the two bases, it would have to be mounted between them in the thin gap, with some gearing attached offset to the center (since the center post/pulley are stationary) or something else not visible on the video view.

Maybe dadido3 could come in and clarify.

Thanks

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Re: Replication of the Jan P. Cack device?
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2007, 07:54:59 PM »
Hi,

this video ( http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=wcy0tedYBMg )  is faked,  see this comment on it here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3245.msg50812#msg50812

Gyula
No, no. The link you quote cannot serve as proof the lego motor is faked. It may or may not be but the comments "disproving" it are nothing more than gibberish,