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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1717065 times)

jeanna

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #705 on: January 04, 2008, 11:35:52 PM »
@Bill   What a fabulous find!  I have a lot of clay in my soil here. (But not up in my mountain where all this is going.  :) )
Did you see or does anyone know how to calculate the resistivity of one's soil?
I have some mason's lime in the shed. Perhaps if I mix that into the soil I will get more charge?

Hans,   Thank you for re-providing your link.I finally got there. Great work and information.

I called Don's welding which I found in the phone book. Don is retired and wouldn't take any money for the 4 carbon rods he GAVE me. So, they are 1/4" and covered with a light coating of copper which I will get off somehow. I will take advice on that from anyone who knows.

Bill, Did you ever take a separate reading on that composite of nails you made? did it seem to be as strong as its surface area would predict?

jeanna
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« Reply #706 on: January 04, 2008, 11:50:59 PM »
Thanks for the flowers Jeanna,

Go to an electronics store and get some ferric chloride, they use it to etch circuit boards. Just immerse the rods in it, it will take the copper off without damaging the graphite. It is cheap.

Hope this helps.

Hans von Lieven
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« Reply #707 on: January 05, 2008, 12:00:16 AM »
Hey Guys you gotta try this!!!

i got 0.05 volt at 0.1 miliamp  i took a iron nail (plain slightly rusted) wrapped 15 turn copper wire around it, on one end of the copper coil (around the same nail that is in the ground) i attatched the neg to my amp meter, the positive i attatched to the nail itself, it got that reading above!!! why? the coil alone and nail alone did not get these readings but when the coil was around the nail it did this!

on a side note i origionally tried the 2 coils around this nail to get a step up transformer, i got nothing for some bizzar reason. i stripped the insulation off the wire but nada. however while playing with these coils the ground voltage went up (afterwards) by 0.08 volt... odd.

i need to finish that tesla coil, i wonder how it will work.

also i wrapped a piece of wire insulated once around both of my poles and attatched the amp meter, it generated 0.02 volt. that is wierd too!  i think maybe the nail was acting as an antenna to tap the electricity and allow it to move more freely into the atmosphere. that makes me feel a little more confident using a coil+antenna like the tesla version.
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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #708 on: January 05, 2008, 12:08:11 AM »
G'day artic,

Looks like you found that elusive AC component that Stubblefield and Bryan are talking about. Well done.

Let's see where this one will lead.

Hans von Lieven
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« Reply #709 on: January 05, 2008, 12:47:42 AM »
Hey folks make sure to check this out it doesent directly apply to us but some really interesting things in this page.. http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/EarthGrid.htm
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« Reply #710 on: January 05, 2008, 01:54:52 AM »
This should be a picture of this evening's experiments.  Very hard to tell but it is 2 leds flashing, a red one and a green one.  I have uploaded a video to youtube which is processing as I type this.  I will post the link when it's ready.  the video is terrible but you can see two leds flashing.

Thanks Jeanna.  I have not done a test using just the nails.  I have just been dumping that into the whole deal and it does help with the mA reading.

Bill
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« Reply #711 on: January 05, 2008, 02:00:06 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vixrFpm0p_g

Above is the link to the video I just submitted to youtube.  the leds (flashing) were operating off of the capacitor circuit attached to the earth battery cells.  I finally obtained another magnesium block, actually, I bought 2 more, so now I am back to using the two carbon rods tied toether and now two magnesium blocks tied together as well.  Good volts and decent mA.  (1.8 vdc at about 2 mA.)

Bill
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« Reply #712 on: January 05, 2008, 02:34:56 AM »
Great work Bill!!!
  So thats two led's in parallel with the cap hooked to your electrodes?
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« Reply #713 on: January 05, 2008, 02:54:13 AM »
@ Joe:

Thanks.  Here is a picture of the circuit I took during the experiment using the flash on the camera.  This is a small printed circuit board containing 2 leds. (1 green, 1 red)  I salvaged it from a cigarette lighter (made in China) that quit working.  It is wired with the minues lead from the circuit board to the - side of the cap., and the + lead from the circuit board to the + side of the cap.  The jumper wires you see in the photo are attached to the earth cells. (Red +, blue -)

Joe, did you check out that magnesium anode I posted a few posts back?  1 amp.!!! For about $50.00 (USD) and it already has a copper wire lead built into it.  A guy could make some serious power using this in the earth battery configuration that we have been attempting to perfect.

@ Jeanna:

Excellent job locating your carbon rods!!  With Hans's suggestion on the chemical to strip them, you should see some big improvements on your cell when tied to the mag. block.  Excellent!!  Hans is a great guy to have on the team.  We are very fortunate.

Bill
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« Reply #714 on: January 05, 2008, 03:48:48 AM »
@Bill
Thanks for the video. And a good idea. I think I will look for my 2 way LED or solder a second LED backwards into my crazy looping circuit to see if I can watch what is going on.

Wasn't the other red LED still in your circuit? It looks to be there in the flash still.

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one end of the copper coil (around the same nail that is in the ground) i attatched the neg to my amp meter, the positive i attatched to the nail itself,

Does this mean that one wire is attached to the meter and the other wire is tucked into the coil? Did you attach anything to the pos lead of the amp meter?  I'm sorry if I am being a pest. I can't replicate this without knowing these things!

jeanna
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« Reply #715 on: January 05, 2008, 03:49:22 AM »
@ bill that looks cool  ;D I couldn't find where  it said 1 amp and how it was used in there corrosion protection sys but it looked huge....  ;D

Hopefully all you folks with good weather are enjoying it.. im in about 6 - 8 ft of snow accumulation . Keep the good work rolling.. and im happy we are all steering towards a jule theif / mini tpu  type devices as a simple solution to take small pulses from the cap get some usable power from it.  Although with larger plates and or rods and or whatever style electrode your using readings are sure to increase as well so i say both paths be continued by those that have the way or means to. Thanks again folks ;D
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« Reply #716 on: January 05, 2008, 04:00:58 AM »
@ Joe:

The below is copied and pasted from my reply (734) on the previous page.  This was copied and pasted from the link I posted.

Look at this quote from the anode site:

"A 17 pound magnesium anode can produce 1 amp of d.c. current for 1 year; therefore, if it produced 1/10 amp, it would last 10 years compared to 3-1/2 years for a 5 pound anode. A 17 pound anode placed in 1,000 ohm-cm clay would generate 170 M.A. of current and would last only 6 years. If the clay's resistivity is 2,000 ohm-cm, it would last 11 years. In 10,000 ohm-cm dry sand, it would last 52 years. A normal current output is under 100 M.A. However, this engineer has seen the natural current output of a magnesium anode reach 200 milliamps (M.A.)"

And they were not even considering the stuff we have already learned.

@ Jeanna:

In the photo I took tonight (and posted a few posts back) you should be able to see, maybe, that the positive lead (anode) of my original led is open and not involved in the circuit. (my mechanical switch, crude, but effective) It looks like it is there bcause it is, just not connected to the circuit. I have it soldered and didn't want to heat everything up like the cap and led by desoldering and resoldrering, so I used the + lead to make or break the led (original ) circuit.  This help in charging the cap. faster.  I should have had this on during Christmas!!!!

BIll
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jeanna

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« Reply #717 on: January 05, 2008, 04:41:48 AM »
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In the photo I took tonight (and posted a few posts back) you should be able to see, maybe, that the positive lead (anode) of my original led is open and not involved in the circuit. (my mechanical switch, crude, but effective) It looks like it is there bcause it is, just not connected to the circuit.
Got it.

Thanks

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« Reply #718 on: January 05, 2008, 04:57:40 AM »
@ Jeanna:

I think you posted that you got 4 (free) carbon rods?  1/4" dia?  Once you strip the copper off them you could band them together and have more surfce area than my 1" rod.  How long are they?  You might even be able to mask off about 1/2" at the top of each rod to save the copper so then you can solder your leads to them.  Or, you can make a ring type device like I did.  I really think you are going to like those rods with your mag. block.  I would bet you will have no problem lighting an led using one of your caps in the "crazy" circuit configuration.  I am seriously considering obtaining one of the 17 pound magnesium anodes with the bag of chemicals surrounding it.  It would be a big hole to dig in the garden to bury it but, can you imagine what we could do with any where near an amp coming out of the cell?  Then we bring in the tpu and the joule thief and possibly other coil arrangements.  We will probably be shut down from the electric company.  Ha ha.

@ Artic Knight:

I am glad you are finding results with coil configurations. I think we will be moving that way soon and will will need all of the hands on experience that we can get.  I have no idea what was happening there.  As Hans said, this is possibly close to what Stubblefield knew would work.  Keep up the great work.

Bill
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jeanna

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« Reply #719 on: January 05, 2008, 07:09:44 AM »
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 05, 2008, 04:57:40 AM
@ Jeanna:

I think you posted that you got 4 (free) carbon rods?  1/4" dia?  Once you strip the copper off them you could band them together and have more surfce area than my 1" rod.  How long are they? 

Bill
Thanks for mentioning that I could leave the tops copper. I may not have thought of that in time. They are about 12" long.   

I got the ferric Cl that Hans suggested. I didn't get it into the shed before dark, however, and now there is a wild storm outside. I may have to wait another day or so. I will be watching you with that Mg anode. It looks really promissing. Look at what we are doing for 2 volts!!

This is going to be good for me to learn about coils. I don't really know more since I wound that toroid in the joule thief yesterday but I feel differently about it. I am ready to wind a nail. Maybe AK can explain that last unhooked wire to me or maybe I will make something up ;D Ha! That is always fun.

Do you have any thoughts about changing the ionic constitution of the soil?  Adding limestone is good for plants and good for the soil in general. It sounds as though it may create a more moveable charge as well, according to the anode folks.

Thanks,
jeanna
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