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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1703853 times)

Pirate88179

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #630 on: December 31, 2007, 07:43:06 AM »
@ Bruce:

That's what confused me.  Volts down from 1.9 to 1.4 but mA up from 2.19 to 3.8.  I don't have any more carbon but, if I can get some money, I want to order some more rods from where Geaorge said. (McMasters) About 1/10 the price I paid!!  I think you might be correct about the balance 3+3 instead of 2+3. I would have thought all would have gone up a bit. Many experiments to do but I think with this increase, there may not be a limit like some have said early on. I want to max out both mA and volts and then...move into coils.  This is going to be fun!!!!!!!!!

Bill

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #631 on: December 31, 2007, 08:09:07 AM »
@ Bruce:

That's what confused me.  Volts down from 1.9 to 1.4 but mA up from 2.19 to 3.8.  I don't have any more carbon but, if I can get some money, I want to order some more rods from where Geaorge said. (McMasters) About 1/10 the price I paid!!  I think you might be correct about the balance 3+3 instead of 2+3. I would have thought all would have gone up a bit. Many experiments to do but I think with this increase, there may not be a limit like some have said early on. I want to max out both mA and volts and then...move into coils.  This is going to be fun!!!!!!!!!

Bill

Hey Bill,
My last post of the night. ;)
1.9 volts x 2.19 mA =0.004161 watts

1.4 volts x 3.8 mA = 0.005320 watts

Watts is total power.  As long as we are increasing that number, we are in good shape!

Good night,
Bruce

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #632 on: December 31, 2007, 08:14:20 AM »
G'day all,

Try this for size:

You?ll find out that earth batteries work in a very different way that

typical chemical reaction. When I began my testing (using dissimilar metals) I decided to separate the plates, zinc & copper, by a distance of thirty-two feet. The soil was BONE DRY as we were in a drought. The plates worked equally well whether placed next to each other and wetted or thirty-two feet apart in BONE DRY earth.

They will also work if made from similar plate material. Thirty two feet is far too distant to maintain ion stripping as in a standard chemical battery. This is generally how I know whether or not someone is talking "hands on" or "blowing smoke". You certainly CAN cause a chemical reaction with moist earth and dissimilar plates, but the Earth Battery effect transcends standard chemical ion stripping theories.

Try your own experiments and you?ll see!

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Again this is nothing new. Poor soil conditions result in a difference of potential. This is why in communications one has to run ground tests. Also another reason some places has to put in a ground field.

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I wonder if depending on your soil if two dissimilar materials can be

put in the soil and the chemical reaction between the two would

produce a small voltage? But can enough be made to be useful if this

is possible.

    *
    * Firstly, ZINC is not hard to come by at all. Any "galvanized" sheet metal
    * is zinc coated and available in hardware stores and roofing supply stores,
    * metal siding suppliers, etc. You can also find large sheets of copper at
    * the same suppliers. If you wish to supplement a chemical reaction, pour
    * liquid bleach over the area of your EB.
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    * Excepting minor diurnal fluctuations, my Earth Batteries are quite stable thru 4
    * seasons. I am making use of the "power" as we speak! I live on natural
    * energy, the nearest power lines being ? mile away. As far as
    * configuration, place them as close to a tree as you can if possible,
    * experiment with different configurations. I have found the greatest
    * potential by establishing the plates at right angle vectors. I have used
    * several combinations, copper, zinc zinc, copper zinc, and have found
    * NO difference of potential! But then I?m not trying to re-invent the wheel
    * by using the earth as a chemical battery, I?m trying to attract and utilize
    * the subtle energies found in all of nature.


found on :  http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/earthbatteries.htm

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #633 on: December 31, 2007, 04:35:28 PM »
@ Bruce:

Thanks for the information.  Wow, that is lower watts than I thought. Heading the right way but, I never calculated the watts before.  and yes, I agree, power is everything.  So, as long as watts are going up, it does not matter about anything else. Great point.

@ mramos:

Again, forgive my ignorance, but I was looking over some of my electronics textbooks and I agree that my "circuit" is in series.  So, when I remove it from the cell and connect the red + lead to the + anode of the led it then becomes parallel? I am not arguing as I have no knowledge foundation here from which to do so. Can you elaborate a little on that?  I know this should not be "Basic, elementary electronics 101" but I am missing something here on this as I think some others may be as well as there has been a little debate (debate is good) over which is which in this circuit.  I would greatly appreciate that. I see now from Bruce's post that the watts are still very low here.  My point was that at least we are going the proper direction, we just have a lot longer way to go than I had thought.  I am liking the induction coil cells ideas more and more.  I still think it is good that we approached it this way because if not, we might have built an improper induction cell and got .25 vdc and thought that was good.  I mean, the poor fellows over at the pyramid experiments are dealing in milliVOLTS and are happy when they get some.  I am still puzzled by the possible (definite in your case) ac component here.  Still a lot to be sorted out.  Also, why is my cell arrangement as now being used (as per my very crude sketch posted a bit earlier) not in parallel?  Would it be if I had added another carbon rod to the mix?  I guess I am missing more basic information than I thought.  Thanks for your help on this project.

@ Hans:

Another excellent find!  So, this guy is running off the grid using similar techniques to ours?  Stuff like this is good as it gives me hope.  and he does not appear to be using coils.  Hmmmm.....Great post!

Bill

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #634 on: December 31, 2007, 04:49:43 PM »
I'm going to post a drawing of the circuits that I we are talking about. I hope it is legible and small enough. I go to the co op today so I can not keep on it, but

 I am asking which one is series and which is parallel. I have been calling #1 the series and #2 the parallel.

The calculations for caps are opposite those for resistors so I may be calling it the wrong thing. mramos please clarify this for me and/or all of us.

thanks,

jeanna

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #635 on: December 31, 2007, 05:52:25 PM »
#1 is a series C R LED cap resistor and LED

#2 is a parallel cap(s) and LED.  So if you had two 1F caps, you have 2F in parallel with the LED.

Hope that helps. 

Yes, it helps a lot. It is how I have been thinking. So, now that it is clear I will quote myself.

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I've been wondering why it would not work to make a ferris wheel out of parallel caps with lights attached to each for a little amperage draw and movement. then charge up just one of them and leterrip (=let her rip, means let it get started).  Don't you think there will be a magnetic field that moves around the ferris wheel growing each time? or maybe not growing because the lights would throw off some, but would the magnetic field allow the re-filling of the charge? or just a little from the earth battery?

I need to buy more caps for this but I have been working on this idea for a long time (since 1991 or so) My electronics teacher was so annoyed by my persistance he started to give me distance. He did admit that this had never occured to him (I mean drawing #1) so after I had made that first series cap-LED- resistor circuit I put it away .

It was when Bill created it in parallel and it worked, that I recognised it and the whole thread heard my excitement.

a magnetic field that moves around in a ring but with no moving parts sounds like a thing that can be tweeked to make power. Maybe not. I will try it myself and see. But I am a biologist. I don't really know how to make a generator or a motor. I also will not mention it again in this thread unless someone else wants to talk about it since we are working with the earth battery.

Again, mramos, thanks for your help.

jeanna

Oh, please tell me the name or web link to that capacitor company down the street from you. Mine cost me $3.50 in bulk.  -thanks

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #636 on: December 31, 2007, 08:08:21 PM »
@ All:

Here are a few photos of my latest wild idea. I am low on funds and I have to use stuff I have lying around so, I made this "array" of sorts from 49 16D x 3.5 " long galvanized nails.  I am going to add this to the minus side of the cell and see if mA goes up a little more.  I know I need to add also to the + side for best result probably, but, the only thing I have for that is my carpenter's pencil sharpened on both ends.  I may add that to the mix as well if I can find another jumper long enough.  I made the photo size smaller and it is in jpeg, but may not upload in jpeg.  We will see.  I will let you all know what happens. (Looks like a lot of surface area there so, who knows?)

Bill

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« Reply #637 on: December 31, 2007, 08:14:39 PM »
Sorry, I see it still uploaded as a png!!  I have no idea why, if anyone knows, please tell me. On my hardrive-properties it is jpg.  I saved it as jpg.  Many of my other photos uploaded as jpg.  So what is going on???

The top end of the nails are hot glued to help hold them in place while soldering.  I left the tie-wraps on for added strength.  The connector ring is made same as my other ones and is spot soldered three places around the o.d.  I will bury this in the garden today and report back...maybe nothing...maybe something.  It's all I have at the moment.

Bill

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« Reply #638 on: December 31, 2007, 09:44:49 PM »
I have noticed that too Bill,

The overunity server will not accept .jpeg files, it will accept .jpg

Must be one of those server programmes that can only handle three digit file extensions.

Hans von Lieven

EDIT: you have uploaded a file with the extension .JPG It does not like that, should be .jpg (no capital letters) The server that handles my website goes apeshit if it encounters capital letters in a file extension.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #639 on: December 31, 2007, 11:50:03 PM »
guys i just purchased from radio shack a 4 amp 50 volt ac-dc converter i used it on my cell and here are the results,

my cell is currently producing .25 volt at no amps. was a bit higher during the rain at .6 volt and .1 miliamp, after attatching the bridge rectifier it dropped to .017 volt and no amps. not sure what happened here but just something to be considered, the rectifier was less than 3 bux at rat shack
 

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« Reply #640 on: January 01, 2008, 12:40:35 AM »
Hi All,
I may have figured a way to add to the battery series-like. I made some cement pots the other day. In a hurried cursory trial with clips and raindrops I got nothing. Today, with the sun shining I did the following.
I linked up Cu In the ground to Zn in a pot then Cu in a pot to Zn in the ground.
I have 2 angles that are better than anything else and I used them. They are N-S and NE-SW
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Maybe that set of lines will show it. I wanted to have a little separation hence the cement pots and I also wanted to be in different magnetic lines if indeed there are such distinct lines of path from n to s.

Taking just the first N-S leg Cu to zn in a pot the reading is 0.838VDC and 0.9 VAC

the next leg is 2 pipes in pots and there is nothing today. They are both in pots SW-NE.
The last leg is Cu in a pot and Zn in the ground N-S .
Now, all four of these pipes give a reading of  0.934VDC and 1.2 VAC !

So, it isn't much of an increase but it is .1VDC increase and 0.3VAC increase. both increased.
no amps. Maybe I am doing something wrong I have never seen amps.

I will go back later to see if 4 pots in a row will still short out like the other day. I want to repeat this and separate the placement factor from the separation factor.

Another experiment I ran was inspired by Bill's from yesterday:

I had Carbon to Mg running N-S. It gave me a reading of 1.64VDC  0.0VAC
Then I added the caps and LED and the voltage dropped the way it did yesterday under the tree.
 It dropped to 0.392VDC   0.2VAC.
Without changing anything else, I pushed a deeply sunken cu pipe into the Carbon to touch it and
the readings changed to  0.678VDC  0.7VAC
Pretty low, but  the DC voltage went up by 73% and  AC voltage went up 3 1/2 times.

Joe, You are quite right to add the ac voltage. it seems to be showing something.??

I'm glad the co-op didn't need me today!

jeanna

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #641 on: January 01, 2008, 12:48:51 AM »
guys i just purchased from radio shack a 4 amp 50 volt ac-dc converter i used it on my cell and here are the results,

my cell is currently producing .25 volt at no amps. was a bit higher during the rain at .6 volt and .1 miliamp, after attatching the bridge rectifier it dropped to .017 volt and no amps. not sure what happened here but just something to be considered, the rectifier was less than 3 bux at rat shack
 

What cell is that?
I looked back a little.
Would you please put it all together when you report? It makes reading the reports much easier.
Thanks,
jeanna

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #642 on: January 01, 2008, 12:58:29 AM »
Hello everyone,
The following photos are from this afternoon. Could someone PLEASEE help me to decifer what they mean?
I think this one says that I have 956 millivolts.

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« Reply #643 on: January 01, 2008, 01:07:36 AM »
Does this one say .95 volts DC? or almost 1 volt

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« Reply #644 on: January 01, 2008, 01:10:44 AM »
almost certian this is 1.3 volts AC