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I guess no tables  :'( oh well
jeanna

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To put it very simply, electrons are released by the heater.  They are repelled by a negative plate.  But then potential is added to the positive side, and all of those electrons come running over to the positive plate.  The greater the potential, the greater the flow of electrons.

If in the ground, (and I have no way to test any of this until I arrive back home in January) we set our Southern electrode for the negative and travel a distance (I own a farm and have a lot of room) and place our positive electrode in the North.  We then complete the circuit with resistor, load, whatever and like a tube, place a high voltage potential on the positive plate, perhaps from stored current in a cap, through a circuit, and it releases this pulse of high voltage on the positive plate.  This higher potential will attract free electrons in the ground and increase the overall power.  Perhaps this is the part of Stubblefield's patent, not there.  Add a high potential to them coils and perhaps all kinds of power starts increasing in flow.  It also sounds like some of the reports I have read on the incremental increase of power in his system.

But before we think that big, we need to test this theory.  Apply a higher voltage, low current to the positive electrode for a short time and see if the overall power increases as I think it should.  If it does, then for how long.  Then we configure a circuit to pulse HV from a cap that has stored our captured ground current.  And use it to multiply power.  This is my thoughts and a path that needs to be tested.

Holiday Cheers,
Bruce

@ Bill and All

Bill, your little nine volt battery you tied into your negative electrode will not leave my brain.. 

I quoted myself, talking about putting a higher potential on the positive plate, creating a dipole and encouraging more free electrons to be attracted to our voltage output.

Well, I also found this, from a link that Pese gave out some time ago.  Again, I will highlight the key parts that shouted at me.  I will be ordering my carbon tomorrow.  Thank you for finding that link.  It should be on my stoop, when I return home.

I have a plan formulating in my mind.  I predict that I will have that micro tpu, ground powered by January 14th.   

Quote:
"The induction coil which bears his name is equipped with three coils which are wrapped around and upon a heavy iron core. Bare iron wire and cotton-covered copper wire are wrapped side by side, comprising a primary coil body. Each layer of the primary coil  body is covered by a band of cotton insulation, bringing four wire leads to the coil terminus. Two leads of iron and two of copper are external to the coil. Commercial electrical power is obtained through these connective terminals.

In addition to this bimetallic winding, there is a third winding: the "secondary". This third coil is insulated from the primary bimetallic coil, serving as a trigger device. Presumably, a stimulating impulse shock was introduced into the tertiary coil, after which the upwelling electrical ground response brought forth powerful currents in both iron and copper coils."

From:
 http://www.icehouse.net/john34/stublefield1.html

"...after which the upwelling electrical ground response brought forth powerful currents in both iron and copper coils." 

I think this will be the secret to gain more power!!  IMPULSE SHOCK 

Holiday Cheers,
Bruce

@ Bruce:

Yes, exactly!  Just to be clear, I didn't come up with that idea, I read it either from where you posted from, or elsewhere.  Actually, I remember reading this in several places, possibly on the patents? I believe they called it "priming the pump".  What I don't get, with my somewhat limited knowlege, is why the earth responded a bit like a capacitor when I did this?  I mean, we pump all sorts of power/volts to ground every day, right?  Mostly ac ok, but some dc as well right?  So, where does this go?  I searched all over town today for another magnesium block and every store was sold out.  I can't believe this.  These things are usually all over the place.  K-Mart had the exact one I am using on cell 1 for $1.99 but, they were sold out! I really want to do some more research on the "priming the pump" method.  Once I have my other mag. block, I will have 2 cells identical in every way.  I can use one for a control and pump volts and or amps into the other and see how high it goes and how long it stays there, etc.  Without the coil arrangement Stubblefield had, or the TPU device, I don't think it will stay forever in my garden.  But, isn't the fact that it stays there at all a little amazing? And, this from a 9 volt. (old one too)  I mentioned my car battery charger in several posts.  with your experience, do you think this is something to try also?  I don't remember what it is rated but, runs off ac of course, and will charge dead car battery (enough to crank over) in like 20 minutes.  Should be some amps there I would think.  Can you see how Joe's original post got be hooked into this?  I more I think I learn about it, the more I find that is not known about it.  BTW  when you order the rod, it had to be shipped here (to Bowling Green) from their supplier.  You might be able to have their supplier drop-ship it directly to you and make payment arrangements with the Bowling Green, Ky people.  Would save double shipping.  They were very nice to me and easy to deal with.  I told the guy I only wanted one piece, not 10,000 and he said "hey, an order is an order." I liked that. Now, if we could find magnisum plates or rods of decent size...who knows?

Bill

Hi Bill,

I do not think the earth is a capacitor.  I agree with your friend.  I am now thinking of it as a storehouse of free electrons waiting to be attracted...I hope to our electrode.

Again, I think of electrons attraction to a positive plate in a tube.  But all the power goes to heat the filament, and that released the electrons.  Positive is powered up on the plate and those electrons shoot over to it.  Now, with the earth, in this North (positive) - South (negative) allignment, we seem to have all of these free electrons.  If we create a "positive plate" more electrons are drawn into our circuit.  That is my thinking.

Now, how to safely do this.  I would not use a car battery. We do not need amperage. 
Check this out:
"Vacuum tubes require two power sources: a low-voltage, high-current supply for the filaments and a high-voltage low-current supply for the plates. ... "

Notice it says the low-voltage, high-current supply for the filaments, this is what is heated to release the electrons in a tube.  We don't need that because the electron are already released for us in the Earth...   Now look at the next part..

High-voltage low-current supply for the plates!!     So this is what we want for the Positive electrode in the North!  (positive on battery to positive to electrode.  You could also test it in reverse and see if there is a difference.)  How to get it.  Well if you were localjoe, or mramos I would say build a circuit.  But the easiest way for you would be to take or I, is to take several 9volt batteries and wire in series.  Keep a log and post it.

Example:  9 volts positive to positive for 1 minute and then released.  After, voltage reading was n for x amount of minutes before dropping.  Then try 18 volts, 36, etc.  If we see some real result, we can shoot for stun guy mode and look at Kilovolts.  But let's see if there is something to this before we go there.  LOL

Lastly, again, think of it not as a capacitor holding charge, but as an electron tubes positive plate attracting free electrons!

P.S.  Another idea that I just had, is using some static electricity.  Static electricity is about 1000 volts, but no current at all.  Maybe figure out a way to produce some of that on the positive electrode.

I can't wait to get home and help out!  LOL 

Cheers,

Bruce

@ All:

If anyone else is considering purchasing a carbon rod, here is a photo of a way I devised to attach the leads to them.  It appears to work well, although I am sure there are better ways.  I first thought about a hose clamp but I wanted something not very reactive and good in the weather.  I figured the lead in the solder would not be so bad as having the copper strand wire attached directly.  It may not matter, I don't know. I just wanted to save you all from going through what I did to get it done.  The one on the top left has been outside in the weather (ice, snow, rain, etc.) for over 2 months.  I think it is holding up well. (They are friction fit with a 1" I.D. to fit over the 1" O.D. of the rod.)




Bill

The cell still held a higher voltage charge for about 10 minutes or longer, thanks to the battery.  I tested and posted my picture about 10 seconds after disconnecting the battery from the cell.  I still think this means something, I just am not sure what. I believe the reading was 2.19 vdc after the "pulse" from the 9 volt.  I did not check amps, or rather mA.  I will think about this while I am not sleeping.

@ Jeanna:

Can you reach a water pipe from your cell experimet area to attempt what Hans suggested?  I can but need to buy an additional 50' of wire and solder two more alligator clips to it.  I think this is a great thing to try.  If not, can anyone else?

Bill

I seem to be thinking about this WHILE I'm sleeping! I have been awake since 3: 30 thinking about this.

The question I have for you and for Joe is did either of you test the battery after you charged the earth? I am pretty sure neither of you mentioned it. I gather you did not get an extra 9 volts (or Joe didn't get an extra 1.5 volts) from the battery into the cell. That in itself is saying something. So, I am wondering if it really took all the juice from the battery or just a little that showed up in the earth battery?

No water pipes. just septic tanks and private wells around here.

I better get some more sleep.

jeanna

@jenna im not home for the weekend so this will be quick

The battery meaning a battery not rods in earth was a 12 v dewalt one and it was a completely separate exp to see if i could run a battery in series with the ground meaning using the ground as a conductor and power a load on the other side.  This is not pertinent for you to understand, just a side exp, our results came in no way from hooking up batteries and that is just being tested now for the priming the pump concept from stubblefeild work so stick with the basics im not trying to lead you a stray.  Again i took a 12 v battery just to see if i could use he ground as a  single line conductor and i used my copper rod on he load side and a terminal directly from the negative of the battery
the plus on the battery was connected to the zinc rod in the ground the ground served as the link between the zinc and the copper as far as i could tell i.. If this is confusing dont bother with that aspect,  the led exp i had mentioned was yet another different experiment i will try to organize my thoughts further .
                                                                         Joe

High-voltage low-current supply for the plates!!    


P.S.  Another idea that I just had, is using some static electricity.  Static electricity is about 1000 volts, but no current at all.  Maybe figure out a way to produce some of that on the positive electrode.

I can't wait to get home and help out!  LOL 

Cheers,

Bruce

Hi Bruce,

Last winter I was playing around with static electricity some.  In the attempts to make a good supply of static E but to not have to make a generator, I learned to make a very simple one.

Here goes:
Take a plastic plumbing pipe around 3-4 ft long (1 meter +) and a woolen or mohair glove. Now, wrap your gloved hand completely around the pipe and run your hand down the full length of the pipe and back again. Do this until the little hairs on your arm start to dance. You may hear some pops. Depending on the humidity of the day this will take 1 to a few times.

I had made a capacitor-Leyden jar  by covering a plastic drinking glass with Al foil covering the bottom, and also the inside. The foil stopped about 2 in (6cm) from the top on both sides. Each piece of foil has an Al electrode sticking up about 1 in (3 cm ) above the top of the glass. (If you put some water into the glass it will hold even more charge.)

So to get all that charge onto one of the electrodes start near your gloved hand and gently touch the electrode while you pull the pipe toward you. You can build up more charge with the pipe and repeat the transfer many times- just be sure to always touch the same electrode and always pull the pipe toward you.

You can get a spark that hurts your finger when you touch it.   Somewhere there is a figure for the relashionship between the length of the spark and the voltage. I will edit this post if I find it soon.

jeanna