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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1704249 times)

jeanna

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #375 on: December 21, 2007, 08:43:06 PM »
On my way out to move the probe but first:

I hit the neg side of my super cap and left the pos side open to the air. then attached the cap to the light/resistor again and there is light.

Yes, I checked this first by hooking up the light without charging the cap to make sure there was no recharge on the cap and the light was off .

I did this again outside and it didn't work and then again inside and it didn't work again. I will try again I just want to report this right away. arrgh

I got this idea while reading Bill Beaty's stuff.    So, it worked - weakly.

 I guess it won't matter if we are using earth power but Tom Bearden makes a nice description of how to not use up the power in a battery by separating the fill stage from the use stage of a power set up. This is how he sets up his circuits. but his circuits are still over my head. (but I am getting taller every day ;D)

 Bill,

Did you ever read Bill Beaty's description of how a cap works? his site is http.amasci.com. His site takes weeks to read it is so big. also good site. but the page about caps is especially useful, I think.  If that link doesn't work tell me I go and find the right spelling.

jeanna
« Last Edit: December 21, 2007, 10:35:44 PM by jeanna »

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #376 on: December 21, 2007, 09:49:49 PM »
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            nahh it shouldn't dissipate that bad bill ive taken readings off the cap before. In the coilgun i made i just put a momentary switch off - on cap leg, connect the coil on one side of the switch and the other leg of the coil to the + on the cap. when the button gets hit it dumps the current through the coil. So being that i can charge it and let it sit for a min or so i i think it shouldnt dissapate that quick.
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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #377 on: December 21, 2007, 10:43:31 PM »
@bill
            nahh it shouldn't dissipate that bad bill ive taken readings off the cap before. In the coilgun i made i just put a momentary switch off - on cap leg, connect the coil on one side of the switch and the other leg of the coil to the + on the cap. when the button gets hit it dumps the current through the coil. So being that i can charge it and let it sit for a min or so i i think it shouldnt dissapate that quick.
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It isn't a battery is the reason. It is pure charge. There are no chemicals to be made or broken down for the intake or outflow of charge on a cap.  (T-RC)
And the charge will last in there for a really long time, but as soon as it is hit it dumps 66% of its charge in 1 time constant and is nearly gone in 5 time constants.
Can someone help explain time constants?

jeanna

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« Reply #378 on: December 21, 2007, 11:02:24 PM »
Brrr! Its cold outside
So, with frozen fingers I have some more results.

This time I checked for the strongest alignment by using the Cu pipe from yesterday and moving the magnesium block around then put everything on that axis. Plus I did some control type elements.

Cu/Cu 0.047v
Cu/cement  0.179v  then I looked again and it had gone to zero so I did it again
Cu.cement  0.264==-->0.15v and still dropping
Cu/Mg  1.232v
Cu/Zn   1.003v
Graphite/Zn  1.020v
Graphite/Mg  1.189v but the mg block was getting dirty so I held the probe hard in place and got
Graphite/Mg   1.388v

all voltages held steady except for the one with cement.

I am intrigued by Stefan's Idea to put the powder onto some material and make a compressed material in the shape of a rod.  Is anyone else intrigued by this? Is there a way to make a longer rod.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #379 on: December 22, 2007, 01:07:22 AM »
@jenna
 If i remember right when a cap dumps its load there may be a time constant created by the ESR of the circuit, Its a fun concept to get used to and i dont fully understand it but think of a sharp increase that can only go so high until a on off cycle or bounce back was completed to let  the remainder through it may create a phase differencial because its going through the resistor which slows the second output by 90 degrees.
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« Last Edit: December 22, 2007, 02:29:24 AM by Localjoe »

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« Reply #380 on: December 22, 2007, 02:22:26 AM »
jeanna, just wanted to congratulate u with the experiments.  I am sure many of us are watching what you do.  The results with the voltages are very helpful and make you think.
I have some activated carbon lying around, I wonder if that would work...
Did you notice any difference between lying the rods horizontally vs putting them vertical?
Also, could you check the voltages between the items while they are lying on a kitchen table or some other wooden surface?

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« Reply #381 on: December 22, 2007, 03:31:27 AM »
This should be a terrible sketch of what I want to try next. (Thanks to Localjoe for the circuit suggestion)  I will have to obtain more materials which will take some time.  I feel, from my experience, that they have to be the same "dissimilar" (is that possible?? ha ha) metals on the north and south.  You know, three carbon rods, three mag. blocks, etc.

I have been reading all I can about capacitors and, except for Sears using them as quick charging batteries for their screw guns, I can't find anything that says they will work like a battery like my little cap has been doing.  Still learning here.


@ Jeanna:

Great work out there!!!  Thanks for the info on Beaty.  I will look that up and read.  I love to read. I don't think messing with powdered graphite or carbon is going to work, and if it does it will not work as well as the isopressed and sintered rods.  The binder, in this case, some sort of conductive glue, will make up a certain percent of the mixture and thereby weaken the properties.  Of course, I never tried it and maybe it won't be the same as a condensed rod of the same size but still might be more than a carpenter's pencil.  Who knows?  Hey, stupid question here.  I have seen where I can buy, pretty cheap, carbon/graphite powder by the pound.  what if someone were to dig a hole and say fill it almost up with this powder, no glue, just the powder.  Could one stick electrode pick-ups into the pile and take the volts off of that?  I guess the rain would raise hell with it after a while but, if it's cheap.....????  Just a thought.

@ Joe:

I am going to rip one of those cameras apart here soon and see what happens. I'll let you know.

@ akashh:

That's a good suggestion about testing out of the ground.  I never did that.  I would assume there would be NO voltage between them in air but, since I did not do it, I don't really know do I?

Bill

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #382 on: December 22, 2007, 07:55:27 AM »
@jenna
 If i remember right when a cap dumps its load there may be a time constant created by the ESR of the circuit, Its a fun concept to get used to and i dont fully understand it but think of a sharp increase that can only go so high until a on off cycle or bounce back was completed to let  the remainder through it may create a phase differencial because its going through the resistor which slows the second output by 90 degrees.
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PS- Thanks for weathering it i would be if every stupid part of my lawn wasen't covered
What do you mean by 90 degrees?
What's ESR?
Are both of those things to do with coils?

anyway I think we're talking about the same thing but I don't know but you may be talking about a more complex and "engineered" version of it.

 I'm gonna try to find a graph on line. If I can't find one, I will make a hand drawn version on my tablet. There are 2 graphs. One for the charging and one for the discharging. In the simple way the charging follows one of the graphs and discharging the other. The curve describes the charging and discharging in ohms and farads.  T=RC T in seconds, R in ohms, C in farads.

The inductor has exactly the same shape graph which describes current increasing and decreasing in ohms and henries. T=L/R T in seconds. R in ohms, L in henries


I will see what I can find and pass it along.

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Did you notice any difference between lying the rods horizontally vs putting them vertical?
Also, could you check the voltages between the items while they are lying on a kitchen table or some other wooden surface?

I could do it again. I remember when I did this the first time some weeks ago, the voltage was not as high. I can do it again.
Also, yes I did check out the voltage dry in the house - nada
And today since I brought the mag inside for cleaning and checking out I checked it against some copper and some steel. (I had left the pencils in the shed) The reading was 0.000v

This is all very exciting. The earth is making a big difference. I think the big challenge for us is to figure how to double and redouble it. In that regard, I suspect the depth is how we'll get it. I will however, make a set of connected cells like the one joe drew, since that may do it also.

Thank you all for your encouragement! I'm so accustomed to doing these things in a vacuum, it is really nice to be in a think tank.

jeanna

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« Reply #383 on: December 22, 2007, 01:24:16 PM »
I stuck two copper rods in the earth about half a foot today and managed to get about 36 mV out of them at no current.  However, I began to wonder whether the voltage was in fact a reaction between the copper an my probe.  Sticking both probes in the earth resulted in 0V most of the time but I also did manage to get a very small voltage (20mV) with just probes in the ground.  Then I did something interesting - I put the multimeter on resistance and started to measure the resistance between my probes.  I got values of over 20k and sometimes 5 k depending on how well the probe was stuck in the ground.  I then did the same with the small copper rods and got about 5k and 10k depending on how deeply I put them in the ground.
I think, although I am not sure, that the resistance between the rods is what gives us the voltage.  When u bury 2 copper rods deeply, I am sure there will be no volts (well,not sure, but I think).  But the higher the resistance the more the voltage (and less the current).  Does this make sense? 

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« Reply #384 on: December 22, 2007, 04:38:36 PM »
on normal science terms the greater the resistance the less the voltage however i have seen a couple free energy devices that claim raising the resistance or load increases their devices ability to increas its output to match... perhaps something twisted like that may be occuring but i dont see why it would work like that.  when your measuring resistance from one pole to the next your measuring as if your passing a voltage from one through the ground to the other, in this battery if im not mistaken we need 2 poles only because the voltage has to have a return path (but does not need to reach the other pole) because the voltage from the return path does not need to reach the collecter there is no increase in resistance and thus as bill says he has experienced or was it joe? the farther the poles are from each other the greater the electrical potential, but the greater the resistance as well! however remember voltage has to have an in and an out, with that considered the ground provides the current but when it returns to ground it does not return to the other pole (unless a chemical reaction is occuring)   

my question is has someone tried to take a car battery or other 12 volt high power battery and "charge" their earth battery? it only needs a second or two to activate or in my case with the sand batteries increase the voltage by a rediculas 200% ! from .04 volt to .76!

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« Reply #385 on: December 22, 2007, 08:42:28 PM »

@ Jeanna:

Great work out there!!!  Thanks for the info on Beaty.  I will look that up and read.  I love to read. I don't think messing with powdered graphite or carbon is going to work, and if it does it will not work as well as the isopressed and sintered rods.  The binder, in this case, some sort of conductive glue, will make up a certain percent of the mixture and thereby weaken the properties.  Of course, I never tried it and maybe it won't be the same as a condensed rod of the same size but still might be more than a carpenter's pencil.  Who knows?  Hey, stupid question here.  I have seen where I can buy, pretty cheap, carbon/graphite powder by the pound.  what if someone were to dig a hole and say fill it almost up with this powder, no glue, just the powder.  Could one stick electrode pick-ups into the pile and take the volts off of that?  I guess the rain would raise hell with it after a while but, if it's cheap.....????  Just a thought.

G'day Bill,

How about drilling a hole in a lump of coal, insert a wire into it (insulated and stripped where it enters the coal to avoid galvanic action) and burying that. It would be cheap and it might just work  :)

Hans

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« Reply #386 on: December 22, 2007, 09:07:49 PM »
To connect graphite rods electrically it is best to use silver wire or silver coated wire, cause it will not give any big difference voltage due to low dissimular metals...
you could also use a stainless steel screw screwed into the graphite, but the ss screw will be consumed after a while, cause graphite is etching the stainless steel away...

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« Reply #387 on: December 22, 2007, 09:27:39 PM »
on normal science terms the greater the resistance the less the voltage however i have seen a couple free energy devices that claim raising the resistance or load increases their devices ability to increas its output to match... perhaps something twisted like that may be occuring but i dont see why it would work like that.
That is sort of what I am looking to find

I am guessing that it is possible because this earth is a giant motor, with the metal magnet inside a magnetic field. The magnetic field looks just like the shavings around a dipole magnet on a table. OK so, the part that all the scientists (not all) seem to ignore is that this magnet is careering through space. So, this magnet with its charge (from the sun )  is moving and spinning.  Since motors can be turned into generators I am interested in finding a way to do this.

The biggest problem here is not if we can get this power (lightning rods  ;) ), but how to make it small enough that we survive getting this power.

I like this earth battery cuz it seems a way to get a confined amount of electricity in an orderly and useful way.

One day in that electronics class, I realized that you can't get useful power without a resistor. Too much and it stops everything, but without it you just get a blast of voltage and SINCE it expressed itself as all voltage there were no amps. Also a wire is a resistor. The thinner the wire the greater the resistance. Bills device shows that we are indeed getting amps as well as volts

My electronics teacher never allowed me to use the amp meter. He said it was too confounded by the workings of the meter itself. It is probably there for electricians testing wall plugs etc.

 
 
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when your measuring resistance from one pole to the next your measuring as if your passing a voltage from one through the ground to the other, in this battery if im not mistaken we need 2 poles only because the voltage has to have a return path (but does not need to reach the other pole) because the voltage from the return path does not need to reach the collecter there is no increase in resistance and thus as bill says he has experienced or was it joe? the farther the poles are from each other the greater the electrical potential, but the greater the resistance as well! however remember voltage has to have an in and an out, with that considered the ground provides the current but when it returns to ground it does not return to the other pole (unless a chemical reaction is occuring)   


or maybe unless there is another pole and something that draws the power away, thus "directing" this charge to the other pole. (the meter may be just the draw that is needed to direct it to the pole.)

Or, maybe it is because there is more resistance that there is more voltage when the poles are farther apart??

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my question is has someone tried to take a car battery or other 12 volt high power battery and "charge" their earth battery? it only needs a second or two to activate or in my case with the sand batteries increase the voltage by a rediculas 200% ! from .04 volt to .76!

Does it stay there? If you charge an area of earth through 2 poles does it stay charged?

jeanna

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« Reply #388 on: December 22, 2007, 10:34:15 PM »
G'day all,

Just found this one, http://www.mondovista.com/meyers/ really weird but reminiscent of Stubblefield in a way, except is is not buried in the ground.

Have fun

Hans von Lieven

PS. Still struggling with Helmholtz and Pamenides that is why my promised next essay is so long in coming. Still working on it though.

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« Reply #389 on: December 22, 2007, 10:57:18 PM »
hansvonlieven, "Just found this one, http://www.mondovista.com/meyers/ really weird but reminiscent of Stubblefield in a way, except is is not buried in the ground."



 Absorber,  hmmmm, LOL  What does my theory consist of? What did my design consist of?

 His design didn't even need to attract any certain frequency, it seemed to have worked off all frenquencies. hmmm It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.