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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1499867 times)

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #210 on: November 23, 2007, 08:53:37 PM »
Ok I'll give ya that one, but unless your going to replicate something here theres really no reason for you to post any more in this topic regardless of how you feel about our topic. Id say thats fair enough.
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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #211 on: November 23, 2007, 10:16:25 PM »
@ Everyone:

Today, I obtained some hot dipped (zinc coated) nails for my tree trunk experiment.  While at the hardware store I found some 12" long zinc coated spikes! (Basically look like huge nails)  They were less than $1 USD ea.  I am not going to use the spikes on the tree but will play with them in the ground maybe see if I can't get this series thing to work.

I am going to use about 5 nails or so, driven part way into the tree near its base.  I am going to wrap them with wire to tie them in and check potential between them and the carbon rod.  I should also check between the nails and a zinc spike just to prove, if there is any voltage, that it is not galvanic, or at least not galvanic alone.  If I get anything worth looking at I will post another video.

@Localjoe:

How is your power amp circuit working?  I am very interested to hear about it.  I'm sure it is much colder where you are than here in Kentucky. (about 35 f now.)  Best of luck.

Bill

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« Reply #212 on: November 23, 2007, 10:35:44 PM »
@bill
Well i tried it with some batteries just for the fun of it and the batteries voltage was 2.7 v 2 d'cells drained a lil, the output side yeilded 3.09 v so id did something .3 volts . I'm About to go outside with it now so i'll tell ya how it goes with that. I'm just trying it on the rods if i have time I'll nail something in the tree...

Steel wire may be more important here than we thought. Im going to explain something later a little off topic about a nemodium mag exp with a screw and some stray effects. But the wire and contact it makes with the magnet is what will co inside with our experiments here.
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« Reply #213 on: November 23, 2007, 10:55:57 PM »
G'day all  OK fellows, here is the next installment.

Stubblefield continued.


The discovery that there was radioactivity involved in Stubblefield?s earth batteries puts an entirely different complexion on the matter.

My attention was drawn to William BARBAT ?s Self-Sustaining Electrical Generator  US Patent Application # 2007/0007844
In it Barbat says:

This disclosure introduces a technical field in which practical electrical energy is created in accordance with the overlooked exception to the energy-conservation rule that Herman von Helmholtz described in his 1847 doctrine on energy conservation: "If . . . bodies possess forces which depend upon time and velocity, or which act in directions other than lines which unite each pair of material points, . . . then combinations of such bodies are possible in which force may be either lost or gained ad infinitum." A transverse inductive force qualifies for Helmholtz's ad infinitum rule, but this force is not sufficient of itself to cause a greater energy output than input when applied to electrons of normal mass due to their unique charge-to-mass ratio. However, the increased acceleration of conduction electrons of less-than-normal inertial mass, as occurs in photoconductors, doped semiconductors, and superconductors, is proportional to the normal electron mass divided by the low electron mass, and the magnification of harnessable inductive energy is proportional to the greater relative acceleration, squared.
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Magnification of magnetic force and energy was demonstrated by E. Leimer (1915) in the coil of a speaker phone and in the coil of a galvanometer when he irradiated a radio antenna-wire with radium. A 10-milligram, linear radium source produced a measured 2.6-fold increase in electrical current in the antenna-wire in comparing inaudible radio reception without radium to audible reception with radium.
He then cites
The same year that the English translation of Leimer's paper appeared in Scientific American, 16-year old Alfred M. Hubbard of Seattle, Wash., reportedly invented a fuelless generator, which he later admitted employed radium. Applicant interprets this as implying that Leimer's energy-magnification was utilized by Hubbard with feedback to make it self-sustaining.
And further

Lester J. Hendershot of Pittsburgh, Pa., reportedly demonstrated a fuelless generator in 1928 that was claimed by Hubbard to be a copy of his own device
Further down:

U.S. Pat. No. 4,835,433 to Brown superficially resembles the drawing of Hubbard's device. Brown's device appears to have the same number and essentially the same general arrangement of wire coils as Hubbard's generator, as nearly as can be understood from the newspaper articles depicting that device. Apparently no information concerning either the Hubbard or Hendershot devices was considered during prosecution of the '433 patent. Brown discusses the conversion of energy of radioactive decay products, principally alpha emissions, to electrical energy by amplifying electrical oscillations in a high-Q L-C circuit irradiated by radioactive materials. "During the absorption process, each alpha particle will collide with one or more atoms in the conductor knocking electrons from their orbits and imparting some kinetic energy to the electrons in the conductor thereby increasing its conductivity."

These are the relevant passages in Barbat?s patent application as far as our current enquiry is concerned.

Since everything that Barbat argues is based on a statement by Helmholtz in his groundbreaking paper ?Ueber die Erhaltung der Kraft? (On the Conservation of Force) I reasoned that the best place to start was right there. Having read the paper in the original German many years ago I needed to refresh my memory, especially since I could not remember any exception to the conservation of energy rule.
No wonder I could not remember it. It is an obscure comment by Helmholtz which he later retracted.


This is an English translation of the passage with a comment by Roberto Torretti in his book ?The Philosophy of Physics? of which this is a photocopy.
 
(http://www.keelytech.com/overunity/helmholtzquote.jpg)
 

If Helmholtz had solid reasons, perhaps based on some observation of his, for making this statement we don?t know about it. Be that as it may, it appears that this statement formed the basis of research for a number of people, including Keely, Stubblefield, Hubbard, Leimer, Brown and now Barbat. There is no evidence I am aware of that Tesla used this as well, though he must have been aware of it since he worked with Stubblefield.

I have not been able so far to locate Leimer?s work so I will treat his research as read for the time being.

In my view these people interpreted Helmholtz in this way:

If a flow of force is created by a primary system that creates a flow of force in a secondary system by resonance, the output in the secondary system can be magnified by levelling a flow of force of a different character and velocity perpendicular to it. The resultant output in the secondary system is then larger than the input from both flows.

This is a big statement for it describes perpetual motion.


Or, perhaps more generally: The interaction of the two antagonistic flows creates a beat frequency which heterodynes with a larger field of unknown character and absorbs energy from it by resonance.

Keely did it with pressure waves, Brown, Stubblefield, Hubbard and Leimer used radioactivity and Barbat uses light, which he gets to interact with his secondary coil by coating the coil with cuprous oxide, turning it effectively into a solar cell.

Enough for now, there is more research to be done, but this is the way it looks to me at this stage of the proceedings. Feel free to comment

Hans von Lieven

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« Reply #214 on: November 23, 2007, 11:50:45 PM »
@ Hans:

Excellent work. I need to back and re-read it once I post these photos of today's efforts.  Here are two photos of the tree array attempt using zinc coated nails and some stranded wire (16 ga.) stripped at the midpoints for wrapping around each nail.  The ends were connected together and a jumper attached.  Results as follows:

7 nail array (- side)                           Carbon rod in the ground (+ side)

1.25 vdc
1.9 vac
.19 mA

7 nail array                                       12" long zinc coated spike in ground about 6" deep.

.1 vdc (This was to show some voltage of the same metals)

12" long zic coated spike in ground 6" deep on n/s meridian (-)          Carbon rod (+)

1.13 vdc
1.7 vac
2.12 mA      (Note, this is the highest amp reading to date )

It was freezing out there.  I will leave the nails in the tree and the zinc in the ground and see if the potential increases over time.

@ Localjoe:

Interesting that you amplified dc voltage with that.  That gives me hope.

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« Reply #215 on: November 24, 2007, 01:55:41 AM »
I was able to stay out for less that 10 mins... Brutal weather. anyways the circuit didnt work that well i think because i used different size caps didnt have 2 of the same as well i used ones in the 330uf to 550uf range and for the effect i think i need to try way smaller caps. It got up to .8 i arc'ed the caps to have  a little fun then i gave into the cold. More tomorrorw

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« Reply #216 on: November 24, 2007, 04:00:19 AM »
(Quote from Hans) "If a flow of force is created by a primary system that creates a flow of force in a secondary system by resonance, the output in the secondary system can be magnified by levelling a flow of force of a different character and velocity perpendicular to it. The resultant output in the secondary system is then larger than the input from both flows.

This is a big statement for it describes perpetual motion."

Yes, it does.  Fantastic you finding this information for us, thanks.  What I don't understand, as you pointed out to me earlier, this speaks of primary and secondary systems such as in a coil arrangement and, as you said vdc does not benefit from that without the pulse being present.  I did some research on line for my own continuing education and, when looking for dc voltage amplifier circuits...all of them employ ic's that, yes, that's right, provide pulses!  So, my understanding now is that you can't use coils to amplify dc without it being pulsed, just like you stated.  In view of that, how does the above make any sense?  What did they know then that we, or at least me, don't/doesn't know now?

I also did some research on batteries in my textbooks on electronics and, once again , you were correct. (I never doubted you, I just wanted to learn this stuff for myself)  ALL modern car batteries are made from 1.5 vdc cells in series, which produce 12 vdc.  What I can't seem to find is, where do the amps come from?  I mean, a regular car battery has over 60 amps available. (not including "cranking" amps which are much higher numbers) I am getting over 1.6 vdc from one of my earth battery setups and still have not resolved the series hookup yet but, even when I do, how can I get the current up to par with car bats.?  I still feel this is somehow related to electrode surface area and I will invest in the materials required to prove/disprove this if I feel it has a decent chance of working.

In my above earlier post with today's results you can see that the amps were way up just using a large zinc spike in the ground with my carbon rod, but the vdc was also down a bit.  I guess I can try and array of multiple zinc spikes tied together and check the potential with the carbon rod then.  If you can think of any way to attempt to boost the volts and/or the amps here, please let me know.  Thanks again for all of your excellent research.

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« Reply #217 on: November 24, 2007, 04:11:00 AM »
G'day Bill,

A galvanic cell produces about 1.5 V DC, if you want more Volt you have to have more cells. If you want to jack up the amperage you need larger cells, IE larger plates of dissimilar metals.

You are right, where does the AC or pulsed DC come from to create the secondary system.

This is at the moment still a puzzle for me, as I believe I mentioned in an earlier post.

I am far from being able to put a coherent analysis of the system together, I am just reporting what I find in the hope this will map out my next moves :-)

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« Reply #218 on: November 24, 2007, 07:17:43 AM »
Something I neglected to mention on my tree array data was the distance from the array to the carbon rod.  I just now went out and measured it (it is 25 degrees F) and it's 8.5 feet.  1.25 vdc is not bad considering the guys with the "tree" patent application were getting about half that.  How could this possible be galvanic when my nails were in wood, granted, a living tree with some moisture inside, but the other end of the circuit was 8.5 feet away???  This is very puzzling to me.  I encourage everyone out there to try it to see what they obtain.

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« Reply #219 on: November 24, 2007, 11:19:36 PM »
can i ask wat the zinc coated screws are, ie the base metal that the zincs coated on woulkd this have an effect on any properties available?
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« Reply #220 on: November 24, 2007, 11:46:21 PM »
@ Marga dan:

I am using zinc (hot dipped) nails and also spikes.  I am not sure what the base metal is although I suspect it is a low grade steel of some kind.  Probably the same with screws, although I am just guessing based on the cost.


Today's test results:

7 zinc nail array on the tree (-) jumped to a 12" zinc spike in the ground 12' away (-) to the carbon rod (+)

1.17 vdc

1.8 vac

2.6 mA

I think I finally figued out the problem with my series tests.  I will attempt more on that tomorrow.  My 30 leds have not arrived yet but by the time they get here, I want to have the power up enough to light them.  I know, not an easy thing to do.  We will see.

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« Reply #221 on: November 25, 2007, 12:48:35 AM »
G'day Bill,

It'll be really interesting to see what happens to the zinc. By rights is should get consumed in the galvanic action.

What fascinates me more, you report 1.8 V AC!  Where the f*ck are those oscillations coming from?

If it was just the galvanic action you should get pure DC.

Keep in touch

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« Reply #222 on: November 25, 2007, 03:26:29 AM »
@ Hans:

The ac had me confused also and it still does.  I have read up to 2.8 vac in some configurations.  But, I read in my electronics text and also spoke to my father, who worked at Bell Labs in Murry Hill N.J. for 16 years (birthplace of the solar cell and transistor) they both said that meters will read ac even if it is not really there.  It is a quirk with the way meters, both analog and digital, are set up.  Stefan said I should use a scope, which I do not have, to see what is really what.  So, as of right now, I don't really know.  I am looking around to see if any of my friends have a scope to use for this.  So far, no luck.

According to the work by the Russians on telluric currents, they said the freq. should be between 1 to 5 Hz.....very low freq.  Localjoe tested with some type of meter and got about 40 to 45 Hz.  If there is an ac component to this we should be able to step it up with the coils but, I have no real idea of what is really going on at this point.  I will investigate further.

Bill

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« Reply #223 on: November 25, 2007, 03:56:53 AM »
Sorry, I meant to include in my previous post the results of an experiment my father told me to do.  I took a AA battery and checked the voltage:

1.55vdc
2.7vac!!

It showed ac voltage on a dc cell.  This leads me to believe that the meter quirk idea is correct.  But, Localjoe tested the freq. with a different type of meter and showed the frequency so I am not sure.  The readings above are very, very close to what I am getting out in the garden with my electrodes.

Hans:
Try testing a battery for ac and see what you get?  I need to purchase a portable scope...i could use it for the test, and return it... ha ha.

Bill

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« Reply #224 on: November 25, 2007, 04:29:04 AM »
Well last night I promised an explanation on my steel wire comments and magnets.  Please note none of this is speculation, I'm commenting my findings from exp.

If you haven't seen a video of a homo polar motor it's just a simple screw with disc nefb mag at the bottom hanging from the battery positive and then driven by a wire connected to the negative and brushing on the outside of the magnet. spins upwards of 3000 rpm.  try with copper wire first then try with steel... steel works much better and displays a blueish corona around the magnet. Cool I said... how it applies, wrap say 4 turns of this steel insulated wire around a 40 turn copper coil of whatever you have handy, magnet wire preferable. then touch the two ends as you would have before to - on battery and to the outside of the magnet. connect your meter to the leads of the copper coil and watch the voltage rise proportonally with the speed.  this still worked on one half dead nicad that only was reading .8 v the voltage on my meter after about 30 sec was upwards of 6 to 9 volts and kept going but the magnet spun off...  This didn't work with copper wire  ??? ???.  If the voltage and current were getting now are enough to make this little thing start spinning it should increase its speed until... infinitum or until another force interacts to slow it down eg friction or others things at play.  Figured id share this idea with you folks.
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