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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1658657 times)

Offline protonmom

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I hope this shows up correctly.  All three are magnetic.  I tied a string to only one and it lifted the other two.  I doubt the little one would lift the two big ones, but it is still magnetic on its own.  Why would they be magnetic and does anyone know what they are?  I call the two big ones caps because on the board the first letter was a C.

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I hope this shows up correctly.  All three are magnetic.  I tied a string to only one and it lifted the other two.  I doubt the little one would lift the two big ones, but it is still magnetic on its own.  Why would they be magnetic and does anyone know what they are? 

I'm just throwing this out because one looks like my variable inductor I bought from Digikey.  The numbers and letters don't match but they could be manufacturer specific.
Is there a slot on top that you could use a screw driver with to turn the inside?  This is how my variable inductor works anyways. 

Don

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Hi protonmom,
The little one with the copper wire exposed is an inductor.

(In some of my posts I have been saying,  "I added a 220uH inductor".  It looks exactly like that.)

It must be a magnet because it was magnetized by being used?, but I didn't think ferrite kept the magnetization.
Maybe the other 2 are also, but I do not know about them.

You could put the copper one in series with a pulsing circuit and see if it enhances it.
That could happen if it is the right size. And since computers or tvs are in high frequency levels it might be.

Then you will want a meter so you can know what it is!
Ah, it never ends, does it?
But get the scope first!

 :D,

jeanna

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I believe they are all inductors, one variable and two fixed. Being obviously magnetic, now that's interesting. Nice pic's by the way, now I understand what you are talking about.

My best guess, these are iron core inductors which could retain a magnetic polarity. I think iron cores are used typically in low frequency applications, but don't quote me on that.

t3t4

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replication
« Reply #2569 on: September 01, 2009, 12:07:29 AM »
I thought they would have lost their magnetism by now, but they are all three still going strong.  Now on the large ones there is a neg and pos side.  On one I found a number of(160) only the zero looks like it has a slash line through it.  The other one has the number125 (degrees)  (I don't know how to put the degree mark in here) And then there is a V and the rest is covered with that former label of 2031 LAE.  Actually that "V" might be a "W"  since it is covered I cannot tell.  Just past the label there is what appears to be a minus sign.
There are NO screw slots for adjustment on any of the three.  The material on the little one which Jeanna says is an inductor looks to be plastic, but the material inside the large ones almost looks like ferrite.  There is a very large negative push when you put the two side by side.  Wonder how that might be useful to me.

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replication
« Reply #2570 on: September 01, 2009, 12:13:52 AM »
I hope this shows up correctly.  All three are magnetic.  I tied a string to only one and it lifted the other two.  I doubt the little one would lift the two big ones, but it is still magnetic on its own.  Why would they be magnetic and does anyone know what they are?  I call the two big ones caps because on the board the first letter was a C.

Hi all,

These coils are so called linearity coils used in television sets and computer monitors with CRT tubes, in the horizontal output stages. The magnet is used for fine-tuning possibility for the coil's inductance, normally by a cylinder ferrite magnet magnetized through its diameter and attached to one end of the coil ferrite core. This way the magnet's flux closes via the core and can change the core's permeability when you slightly turn the magnet mechanically.

http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/464468
See here for instance
http://www.premmagnetics.com/3500.html
http://www.premmagnetics.com/82xx.html

rgds, Gyula

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2571 on: September 01, 2009, 01:39:28 AM »
I learned something today that some may find interesting. I've been re-running my previous tests as you know, some of which have shown lack luster results. I'm finally getting to the source of the reason.

The answer is, wire size and type of wire. I honestly thought these minuscule details to be unimportant, but apparently the opposite is true.

Originally I was using 2 conductor phone cords as extension cords. In all pic's shown by me thus far, I have used real electrical extension cords, not phone cords. Also, I used magnet wire as extension cords in my original tests. Here in lies the difference. When I go back to basics, I get much better results. I had no idea this little change could make such a difference, but I'm here to tell you it means everything. It's all induction and resonance. You will see that I do end with magnet wire, but I'm not ready to show that yet, the set up will take time.

So take it for what it's worth.

Thanks,
t3t4

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replication
« Reply #2572 on: September 01, 2009, 02:06:58 AM »

http://www.premmagnetics.com/3500.html
http://www.premmagnetics.com/82xx.html

rgds, Gyula
Thank you gyula,
Those curves are interesting.
DC current to inductance.
I would not have guessed.

@protonmom,
I will check mine to see if I have a magnet in mine.I bought them as simple inductors which are 220uH.
They weigh too much to be plastic which is what I was going to mention to you as the way to tell, however, if gyula's inductor with a magnet inside is what you have, then it will weigh more than plastic too.

@t3t4,
This is very interesting information.
Thank you so much for sharing it.
I have always wondered about
a- the need for the special magnet wire and
b- stranded vs unstranded wire.

I am using stranded this year on both my EB and BEER's in the ground because I got such low results last year using 24g tele wire.
I won't switch again this year but I am glad to know there might be a difference in the ariel part at least.
I remember Bill used 14g hook up wire which was stranded last year. I have been assuming he still is this year.

thanks everybody,

jeanna

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2573 on: September 01, 2009, 02:14:40 AM »
T3:

Do you think it might be because the additional magnet wire is like an antenna extension?  I too have used regular extension cords of fairly heavy gauge as connector wires.  It is convenient and, the larger wire size keeps resistance low.

But, as you said, a change like that could and would effect the resonance a lot.

This is very important and I have seen this a lot on here, and other sites.  If someone does an experiment and then others "replicate" it, except instead of a 1k resistor they used a 400k, and instead of a 300 volt cap they use a 40 volt cap and instead of copper wire they used aluminum....well...you get the idea.  I just really detest when this happens and then folks say hey, I tried your experiment but it does not work.

My point is, that this is your experiment and you made what you thought was a slight change and it does not work as before.  So, I think there is an important lessen here for all of us.  One change, no matter how small we think it is at the time may alter the experiment and therefore the results.

I also hate when folks have a great device working, and then take it apart to "improve" it and then can't get it to work again. (I am not speaking of you here)

I applaud your efforts here and thank you for sharing this information.  A lot of folks would not admit to not having as good results as before.  Knowing all of the information is key to understanding how a system or circuit might be working and why.

Please keep us posted on your efforts.  We are all in this together.

Bill

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2574 on: September 01, 2009, 02:54:37 AM »
Ditto Pirate. Research like this requires details. If you have a working model its better to leave it alone and replicate it again. Even a manufactured identical part from two manufacturers may cause a difference. This is scientific research and it needs to be approached as such. Documentation along with images is not that hard to do.

 Still raining here and my bare Eb is still around 60 v   

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2575 on: September 01, 2009, 03:31:03 AM »
@ Bill,

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Do you think it might be because the additional magnet wire is like an antenna extension?

Yes, that is exactly what I'm thinking, but I can also prove it.

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But, as you said, a change like that could and would effect the resonance a lot.

Yes it does, and this is why I wonder if I just got lucky the first time.

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I just really detest when this happens and then folks say hey, I tried your experiment but it does not work.

I do so sincerely apologize for my mistake, and I mean that to all! But like I said before, if you screw up correctly, the whole world get's to see it.

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My point is, that this is your experiment and you made what you thought was a slight change and it does not work as before.  So, I think there is an important lessen here for all of us.  One change, no matter how small we think it is at the time may alter the experiment and therefore the results.

I also hate when folks have a great device working, and then take it apart to "improve" it and then can't get it to work again. (I am not speaking of you here)

I absolutely agree, along with keeping notes and writing all this stuff down in detail. That is something I don't do, but I need to start doing exactly that. However, where I end, I have been able to duplicate many times now, so nothing is really lost, but there are some things I am learning along the way. It's only the individual components that have failed to meet expectation, but now I know why, and so do most of you.

My first demonstration worked, and that was honestly the first time I have ever used an extension cord. Again I apologize to all, but I honestly never thought that such change would occur by using a standard household extension cord. It worked as an aerial alone, and that was the first time I tried using it as such. I should have known better, but I didn't. I'm sorry... I guess it was just my time to be the idiot.

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I applaud your efforts here and thank you for sharing this information.  A lot of folks would not admit to not having as good results as before.  Knowing all of the information is key to understanding how a system or circuit might be working and why.

Please keep us posted on your efforts.  We are all in this together.

I said before that I will only tell you all the truth. Although, I never thought I would receive such poor test results as I did. Point is, results are results and truth is truth. I may be a bit eccentric, but I'm always honest. I thank you all for your tolerance in every way. Where this ends may or may not be interesting to you all. Some may think there is some kind of a secret that I'm hiding, but I assure you that is not the case. I have told everyone truthfully how this system works to the best of my knowledge.

It's not magic, it's just induction and resonance. That's honestly all there is to it! Some may want to take it all apart even further, but I personally have no interest. Anyone that tried to duplicate my first demonstration should be able to see the basis of operation. All you have to do in order to get more power is go higher/deeper and tune it to induct more in either case.

The ionosphere resonates between 106Mhz and 108Mhz, but the planet resonates on it's lowest frequency at about 6 Hz. Simply marry the two in one system. I have said all this before, I think anyway. But in either case, again I thank you all for the tolerance you have shown. Do please bare with me, even when I think I know something, this simple little glitch pops up to make me rethink it all.

I'm still at the same point I began, but now I have greater understanding due to my mistake. That's a good thing if you ask me. And you all can learn with me without the public embarrassment. So, it's all good if you ask me.

Thanks again to all. Give me some time, but I can recreate my results. I did it today, or rather, I got close to it. Point is, I know why I failed the second time. And now, so do all of you.

t3t4

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2576 on: September 01, 2009, 04:04:01 AM »
Heres some good points from Bodkins. This applys to more than Eb's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFg_eSOz3EQ

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2577 on: September 01, 2009, 04:34:42 AM »
I have a question...

 Have any of you tried to marry the earth battery to the radiant energy receiver by using them in combination? If so, can you tell me, was it good or bad?

Thanks,
t3t4

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2578 on: September 01, 2009, 04:57:42 AM »

Also, whenever your doing experiments, only change ONE variable at a time.  No matter how insignificant you think a change is, only do 1 change at a time and fully test it.  If it doesn't improve your results, change it back and retest to verify you're actually back to the original set up before making a new change.

It's extremely important to document what your doing.  With computers now it's so easy to make a list of items in NotePad or WordPad.
A chronological list of every change and result.  It doesn't have to be a 500 word essay everytime you change something.  Just 1-2 lines.

I actually like using power point and creating a picture with documentation added to the picture explaining my setup and test results.

DonL

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2579 on: September 01, 2009, 04:58:53 AM »
I have a question...

 Have any of you tried to marry the earth battery to the radiant energy receiver by using them in combination? If so, can you tell me, was it good or bad?

Thanks,
t3t4

A simple test I did was bad because they are both positive for my setup.
DonL