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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1322064 times)

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #90 on: November 13, 2007, 02:48:19 AM »
George:

Thanks for the update.  Still, he is selling power back to the power company and that should interest some people here on this site. Not an earth battery but....still very useful info.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #91 on: November 13, 2007, 04:58:08 AM »
Hi
I'm in on this too.
It was too stormy here all day and when it cleared I put a piece of rebar and a 10 " by 2 " copper plate into the surface of the ground (no deeper than 1"). they were sort of N-S  and I got a steady .16V sometimes and a cycling from .18V to 0 . Then I connected between the copper plate and the the shovel I had propped up next to the rebar and got a very steady .18V. I guess the shovel has a lot more surface area than the rebar. This is too low. but I am encouraged to keep going. The day was ending and I could barely read my multimeter.
 I have been looking at this for a few years but never tried it.

I have a couple of comments from my previous research.

This is a kind of throw-away because I can't find the source, but I distinctly remember being told that Tesla chose 60 Hz for the AC because that was what he thought the tuning of the earth to atmosphere was. I am putting this out in case anyone else has heard this and can verify it for me.

Several years ago I copied an article onto my computer that has a picture of Stubbenfield's earth batteries. Then the researcher made a point to say that there was a rock layer between the electrodes. I think this may be important in the design. It is actually the reason I never tried this. I was renting.

The telephone company still uses this earth battery. Stubbenfield used it when he was inventing his telephones and this earth battery is evidently one element that makes the land lined telephones work. Have you ever seen the sign on a piece of metal around your house that says "do not remove or disturb" and it is signed the telephone company? That is the connection to the ground. They call it " the ground" and you think it is like the ground of an electrical company circuit. But it is not. When the power goes out (as it did here today) I can plug in my old rotary phone and "dial" a number. If the person I am dialing also has a rotary phone, it will ring and we can talk. This is because those old type phones work without any electric company electricity. It is from this ground wire. !!!   So, let's carry on.

jeanna

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #92 on: November 13, 2007, 05:21:30 AM »
jeanna:

Welcome to this topic.  I hope that more people attempt to experiment in this area and we can compare the results.  As far as Tesla goes...I have read several books on him and all of them say he was obsessed by 3's.  He lived his life in ways that were either three, or multiples thereof.  60hz is a multiple of three but I don't know if that was an accident or not.

Considering the galvanic differences in your metals you should/could have produced .40 volts.  Also, when you align to north/south, it is not magnetic north like you read on your compass.  It should, from what I have read anyway, be aligned to the north pole of the earth which can be quite different from magnetic north depending on your position on the planet.  Please continue with your experiments and keep us posted. Localjoe is going to input the results to a spreadsheet so maybe we can get a better handle on what works, and what works better.

As for history, have you read where the telegraph folks continued to pass messages long after their (Edison) batteries were dead?  This was also attributed to the natural potentials of the earth battery. As far as your old rotary phone working is concerned, and anyone correct me if I am wrong on this, the phone company sends it's own low voltage through the line which can ring the bell, or buzzer, and may, or may not be effected by a local power outage.  the reason modern phones don't work is because usually they are cordless and the base needs power for the transmit/receive functions.  Please keep up your work.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #93 on: November 13, 2007, 06:55:14 AM »
jeanna:

Welcome to this topic.  I hope that more people attempt to experiment in this area and we can compare the results.  As far as Tesla goes...I have read several books on him and all of them say he was obsessed by 3's.  He lived his life in ways that were either three, or multiples thereof.  60hz is a multiple of three but I don't know if that was an accident or not.

Considering the galvanic differences in your metals you should/could have produced .40 volts.  Also, when you align to north/south, it is not magnetic north like you read on your compass.  It should, from what I have read anyway, be aligned to the north pole of the earth which can be quite different from magnetic north depending on your position on the planet. 
Yeah it was pretty sloppy. I was pushing the dusk and I wanted something. I went into the shed that has an earth floor. I couldn't dig deep enough to get the metals in more than an inch. I will give it more time
As for history, have you read where the telegraph folks continued to pass messages long after their (Edison) batteries were dead?  This was also attributed to the natural potentials of the earth battery.
Pretty cool.
 As far as your old rotary phone working is concerned, and anyone correct me if I am wrong on this, the phone company sends it's own low voltage through the line which can ring the bell, or buzzer,
yup and it has to return by the ground not the wire or it won't work.

I may have inserted my remarks wrong. I am new to this forum stuff. (but I love it anyway)

jeanna

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #94 on: November 13, 2007, 07:29:07 AM »
Jeanna:

Your remarks were fine.  I'm glad your here.

Bill

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #95 on: November 13, 2007, 08:22:59 AM »
Guys, 
Got reply from Poland.  Sorry for disinformation.  The guy is not using electrodes but pipes to recover methane gas to power converted diesel engine with generator.   Well, next time I will check facts first, before I open my mouth. 
George

I just wanted to post about this, as this was the only case I could imagine he was using it alike.
There seems to be coming a lot of Methane from bio waste.
Some guys over here in Germany also did it by putting pipes somehow into the waste and collecting the
methane gas and then running an ICE to power a generator.

How much waste does it need to do this ?
How big is the land the neighbour of your cousin is using for this and how many
KiloWatts is he producing this way ?

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #96 on: November 13, 2007, 12:43:06 PM »
Stefan,

Here what's my cousin wrote:

Landfill is 200x200 meters.  He has 2 diesel engines from polish truck Jelcz and 1 generator.  He starts engine on disel oil then switches to gas.  sometimes he runs 1 engine and sometimes 2 at at the same time - that depends on amount of gas he can recover.  There is generator, some sort of transformer and another device before hookup to national grid.  The consistence of gas is unknown to me. 

He did not specify how much energy the guy can produce but I just checked the HP of the engines.  I am not sure which model he has but 1975 model has 185HP; and newer '2000 models are 320HP.  from here you can figure more or less how many KW he is capable to produce.

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« Reply #97 on: November 13, 2007, 11:23:12 PM »

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There seems to be coming a lot of Methane from bio waste.
Some guys over here in Germany also did it by putting pipes somehow into the waste and collecting the
methane gas and then running an ICE to power a generator.

How much waste does it need to do this ?
How big is the land the neighbour of your cousin is using for this and how many
KiloWatts is he producing this way ?
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I went to the Real Goods Solarfest in 2000. A one of the 20 minute teaching sessions a fellow described his system using 2 plastic garbage cans one overturned on top of the other.
Inside he put only grass clippings and small yard cuttings. probably some water too. he collected methane which went from the cans through another container loaded with steel wool to filter out the sulphur. He wrote a book with this in it. No I don't know the name of the book but I think it was a gardening book. sorry.
This is called biogas. It has been collected in an industrial way in India.
google "biogas" and see what you get. It looks good.
jeanna

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« Reply #98 on: November 14, 2007, 12:13:03 AM »
I have a few results today.

First - and I recommend this to everyone doing this test- I put a fresh battery into my multimeter. These ever so convenient machines compare what they are finding between the probes to an assumed 9 volt constant. So that was the first step.

Yesterday because of the storm I did a little test in the earth ground inside a metal shed. So, with the fresh battery I rechecked my Cu > rebar as it was in the same place as yesterday. and the results were somewhat lower.

Inside shed
Cu > rebar  0.13v
Cu > Zn        0.6v (galvanized 10 penny nail)
Cu > graphite  0.24v (carpenter's pencil - what a great idea, bill)
graphite > Zn  0.9v
Then I went outside. I wondered if being in a metal shed which has a faraday cage effect (it does not allow the signal of cell phones to penetrate) would dampen any aetheric or electromagnetic effects from the schuman cavity,  if that is what we are seeing. I wondered this because Stubbenfield used an antenna for some of his batteries.
outside the shed
graphite > Zn  1.06v (up 0.16v from inside)
Cu > graphite  0.14v (down 0.1 from inside) ???
The only other oddity to report is from disturbing the earth. I couldn't get the graphite deep enough in the ground and I wanted to try getting all these deeper than a few inches so, I dug with a shovel and stuck the pencil into the earth and returned the soil and patted it around the pencil. Now the pencil and the zinc nail were both about 6 inches (15cm) deep.
I guess I forgot to record it but it was almost nothing. something like 0.05v  I won't speculate but this is interesting about disturbing the soil, I think.
One more thing, I checked the voltage between the Zn nail and the graphite pencil around in a circle. and closer than 1 meter apart. There was no change at all  1.06v every time near or far, north/south or east/west .
So, 12 graphite pencils and 12 galvanized nails will give me a 12 volt battery for free. I love it. I am taking a welding class and I will see if I can get some graphite from there.
more later. I think I will try to get 2 sets in series and light a LED. Maybe take a picture.

jeanna

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« Reply #99 on: November 14, 2007, 05:37:10 PM »
Yes jenna the ground can be used for a return path i found that out trying to run a battery in series with the ground rods i have and the power came through. I do know that telephone lines have a pretty hefty voltage that goes thorough them normally. I never thought it was much until i got bit once.... hurts ;D  In that sense of a return ground i think there has to be a certain ammt of pressure we could say for it to be worthwhile.   I'm still betting the only way to harness useful energy will be with big coils and a ferromagnetic core for a transformer.  I guess what is throwing me is all these patents have a version of a strong inductor or coil wired directly off the electrode but the ends are shorted since they only use one peice of wire.  Now were all measuring dc but for those transformers or coils that are being used it must be a form of ac or that avenue would have been pointless so mabey with 4 electrodes 2 of each, one of each with a wire wrapped around iron or ferrite core so cu > iorncore> zn and cu> ironcore > zn,  wind secondaries  and take those leads to a full wave rectifier. Correct me if i'm wrong, but that should be a 6 diode bridge for full wave as opposed to 4 diode for half wave. I remember subblefields real patent name being along the lines of an em amplifier. Ah ha the  patent description is starting to make more sense. 
"Stubblefield Earth Battery OR Electro-magnetic Induction Amplifier"

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« Reply #100 on: November 14, 2007, 06:53:20 PM »
@ localjoe:

I have already stated my lack of electronics knowledge in earlier posts.  My question is this...if we use coils, won't that raise the volts (dc) and reduce the amps? (Ohm's law)  Does a rectifier amplify both volts and amps?  I am re-reading my electronics books as we speak but I am behind the curve here.  Carbon rod supposed to arrive this Friday.!!!!

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« Reply #101 on: November 14, 2007, 07:35:06 PM »
No worries bill ,
           Take this for instance when you pass a magnet over a coil of wire it cuts the flux lines of the magnetic field and induces current in the coil, in this stage its still ac but when we take a 4 diodes and connect these two leads of the coil to opposite sides of the diode bridge the remaining 2 have rectified dc voltage now, that usable ect.  Now I think the difference between a 4 diode bridge and a 6 diode bridge is rectifying half of the ac wave form vs full wave which should rectify the whole wave form.  Hopefully i haven't butchered that description too much but im sure Stefan or others could help further elaborate if needed.
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« Reply #102 on: November 15, 2007, 01:21:30 AM »
Localjoe:

Thanks, yes I understand about the half wave and full wave from the bridge but, what happens to the amps?  Do they go up, down, or stay the same? My local supplier just called and I can pick up my carbon rod in the a.m.

Bill

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« Reply #103 on: November 15, 2007, 02:51:51 AM »
@Bill   Different ammounts of turns will affect wether the voltage is stepped up and current lowered or visa versa, in an ac circuit .   For this to work though one needs to use ac or pulsed dc, so it kind explained some of my weird findings with different freq's and there still may be a magnetic component here with the rod exp.  because the voltage produced from the potato battery for instance is straight dc and at minimum what we have measured so far is pulsed dc or something our meters cant really read. so even though we haven't achieved great results yet our findings still indicate that its not just a galvanization reaction going on. Secondly, the Stubblefield cell uses coils even differently so as to have two bi metals wound side by side on a carriage bolt, copper and steel for instance, the copper insulated and the battery has one of each end of wire in the ground and the other two leads produce juice. This one is more along the lines of an electromagnetic plug of sorts that uses the earth magnetic energy and transforms it into what he called secondary current to us that could mean ac or pulsed dc so i hope thats more descriptive. :)
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« Reply #104 on: November 15, 2007, 06:38:59 AM »
Localjoe:

Thanks for the explanation.  As I said, I have been rereading my text books.  So, you think we might be seeing pulsed DC?  That would be very interesting.  Stefan said that, when I got both ac and DC on my meter that typically you can get both.  But why?  I was raised that DC was DC and ac was ac.  Yes, you can use inverters and rectifiers to swap but...at the source, they should be one or the other....right?  Pulsed DC is another matter.  I know nothing about this but it might explain, like you said, Stubblefield's experiments and patents.  We are getting closer.

Bill

 

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