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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1294691 times)

Offline ian middleton

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G'day all,
@Krb686,  you would be doing yourself a great dis-service if you didn't attempt to read some of the previous posts.
Some of the best results and breakthroughs have been may by people who do not post here very often, so they are not going to hear your request. jeanna for one put a hell of a lot of work in as has Bill. It ain't gonna fall in your lap.
See you all later
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Hello

@ Pirate 88179

Apologies for not replying before now.

Thank you for your input to my request for info on earth batteries. For your information, my brother lost interest when I could not come up with an instant fix for his energy problems. I told him what you said about solar power being his best bet. His response was to go out and buy a brand new motorbike... (?) Yeah, I didn't get it either. But that's my brother for you.

However, you have piqued my curiosity about earth batteries in general.

@all
I have downloaded the whole of this thread for offline reading, and am currently wading through it. Interesting stuff. I have a question or two, which I hope someone can answer:

1] Has anyone here come up with a standard testing procedure regarding size and material type of electrode?

2] Have the experimenters here decided on a definite distance apart for the electrodes?

3] Is there a preferred set of instruments for carrying out these tests?

4] Has anyone attempted to 'prime the pump' (as one person described it) by injecting an electrical charge or pulse into the ground?

I have already carried out some tests, with some success in two locations approximately 500 miles apart. I got readings at both sites, but so far I do not know what my readings mean, hence the questions above. With regard to question 4 above, I tried feeding a voltage of around 12V into my ground electrodes for 1 minute. I expected the earth to just adsorb the charge instantly with no change in readings. That did not happen, and consequently I decided that everything I had learned in college 40 years ago, was a load of !

Any advice will be most appreciated.

Pat


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This topic seems pretty cool, but I'm not about to sit down and read through ~260 pages to take it all in.  I'm really just curious about the highest power output someone has gotten from an earth battery so far.  Saw the short video with the guy supposedly getting 1.8 amps, but that didn't seem very reliable.  I want to see how feasible this really is as a source of energy, and sourcing tens or hundrends of microamps just ain't gonna cut it. 


So then, what is the highest power output or current output someone has gotten?  What design did you use? And did you notice any changes that directly alter available current?
       Krb686 has a point.   I read in a construction manual for earth batteries years ago the even if the output lugs on top of each cell were buried 6" in the ground, one could still get a bad electrical shock from a big system.
       Oh, how 'bout that?   Through 6" of dirt?
The originators of the information implied they were dealing with something more or different and electricity.   I vaguely remember something about aetheric currents in the ground.   It was actually a couple of decades ago when I read the report.


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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #4023 on: October 24, 2013, 09:09:38 AM »
Seems like this thread got magnetized and doesn't allow flow anymore, pity after reading the whole thing on my spare time over the last two weeks.

I do feel I know all of you like if I was living all this when it was happening years ago. I know I'm a stranger to you all, but you are not strangers to me.

Bedini, you are a class act even if you didn't contribute to this thread until later.

What I mean by class act, is your praise to LaserSaber (another class act). Your admittance towards your learning from LaserSaber shows your true benevolent character. And so is LaserSaber's whom I followed as well as you even if my stumbling to this thread has nothing to do with you two, it was the going back to Stubblefield that land me here.

Joe, Bill, Jeanna, Jim. Outstanding jobs as well and a lot of perseverance. Always with a mind open other than Joe's futile and commendable attempt to keep this on target at the beginning, but it all did pay up at the end, Bill's messing up his coils to get more by adding either salt or vinegar (btw love them salt and vinegar chips), Jeanna by trying her best to grasp into what is going on like a child with her eyes full of discovery, and Jim, a Saint by having more patience in life than anyone that I've ever met.

Yeah,i'm not mentioning a lot of other people, not on purpose but because of my reason to be here.

Well, the reason I did sign up to overunity was to raise a concern that might not be too visible in this thread even if some hints are there.

I'm not concerned that someone didn't actually combined an aerial to an earth battery as suggested, not that the thread is slowing down to a crawl.

I'm all for free energy, as in: "don't pay for it" and I think it should be a right for everyone in this planet (to have free energy).

But (and there is always a but), the energy does come from the electromagnetic field from mother Earth.

My point, although not researched, and just my common sense kicking in, is that a few experimenters tapping on the field won't affect it much, but (there is that but again) if this really was optimized and took off! what will be the price of that "free" energy?

No one has addressed that issue, and I find that as disturbing as when scientists didn't know for sure if the first atomic blast will burn our atmosphere.

That electromagnetic field is shielding us from a lot of harm and there is a balance in nature that must be respected. And before you mention that man-made fields are everywhere, they don't affect the Earth's output since they don't tap from it (although they do disturb it but they don't destroy it).

So say, there is a successful way to tap into Earth's field. Has anyone wondered or tried to study what impact will that have on the magnetic field that shields us from harmful energies if all our energy needs were met by this potential technology?

So what if we made a model of Earth with a permanent magnet (I know it's more complicated than that) and rotate it and since the magnetic field doesn't rotate we could generate power from that model. How would the magnetic field of that permanent magnet will be affected by it? will it disturb it enough that it would allow unwanted external interactions?

I don't have any doubt that there is a sea of energy all around us, but (there is that word again) is it wise to farm that energy without studying the consequences first? After all, there is no free anything, it all has consequences and a price must be paid.
 History has proven that many times over.

We should focus more into Nature instead and how it cooperates with those energies without destroying them. They also use electrical currents, but not "electricity". Don't dismiss when someone like Eric Dollard says that our current electricity represents destruction and makes no harmonious waves when discharged, just the opposite it's more like a sound that will bring us an emergency feeling like something is not right. Don't get me wrong, I love sparks as anyone else.

I'm not saying there is no surplus of energy, but going over the surplus and how is used, might (and it's just a theory) be more detrimental than all the crap we put in the atmosphere.

So after all this rambling because it's hard to convey in a public forum all my thoughts. My concern still exists, would this type of energy farming be detrimental even if it looks free?

Take for example farming gravity influences from the Moon to the Oceans, would that gathering of energy at a large scale affect the gravitational pull between the Earth and the Moon?

I'm all for research, but our innate human Nature prevents us from seeing down the road how it would affect us. We tend to discover first then deal with the consequences later.

We should think always before making any decision on what consequences would it have generations ahead, it's not about us now, it's all about us in the future, we are just the gatekeepers of that future.

It also doesn't help that we don't trust anyone, someone has a different view or doesn't understand something they are considered disinformation agents. I've lurked for a while and I've seen this over and over again. People with a common goal ganging up on each other and attacking each other. There is no "They" and even if  "They" did exist, we do ok suppressing our own dammed selves without any external help (maybe "They" are tapping on our electromagnetic field that is supposed to protect us).

I did leave a lot unsaid, but don't want to make this reply longer than what it is, and I just want to ignite something that we have been missing all along on our walks through this Earth, respect for Nature first since our entanglement is with Nature first, and Nature doesn't need us, but we do need Nature.

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As some may already know, Lost Sciences by Gerry Vassilatos has a great chapter, IMO, on Stubblefield.  What interests me is that people in the books on Stubblefield and others repeat again and again that the source used to provide 'power' for the grounded devices is said to be vegetative, plant-like in nature (growing stronger over time) and will saturate metal conduits, electrical and mechanical devices, and even dried out earth battery plates.  I take that to mean it grows stronger over time.  Look into science surrounding the unique problems of Telegraphy to see what this might mean.  The force permeating the iron telegraph wires was said to saturate telegraph stations creating a radiant black aura around the building which could even be photographed.

Vril energy and Odic force or Od energy is said to be vegetative in nature also. Its touch is said to send a thrill through a person's body instead of being painful like electric shocks. There seem to be some interesting literature on the Vril Society and Thule society operating around WWII, btw.

Philo Farnsworth's custom-made vacuum tubes were said to radiate this blackness also even through the glass at times.  His Fusor tube did this and it was supposed to be a cheap overunity device utilizing hot fusion with deuterium/tritium gas.  Arguably, he was the real father of television.

Anyway, it seems the earth batteries were only needed for a short time to 'prime the pump' as many telegraph stations operated for years after the batteries dried up.  The view in Lost Sciences is that the DC battery power attracts this ground energy enabling it to saturate any metal devices and structures above and below ground.  I believe it was Tesla who suggested that a metal-hulled flying craft could translate through space at tremendous speeds by simultaneously decompressing the ether in front of it with rapidly varying DC power, and compressing the ether behind it with high frequency AC power.  The importance of DC power seems to return again and again in these books.  IMO, the use of carbon seems to be of importance also.  The energy obtained often appeared in the form of purple or violet jets in the literature that waxed and waned with solar and lunar cycles, CME's, and sunspots.





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I'm jumping in without having read this thread in quite a while, so I hope I'm not repeating anyone else's post.
I've come across some YT videos on multiferroics and their unique potential for generating electricity. Chief among their most common varieties are Iron Oxide and Copper Oxide.  There are quite a few videos out there, some more technical than others.  Here's an interesting intro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KfySbeVO4M

I've seen the occasional forum member post something about the rust on SC wires possibly being an important element in their ability to produce electricity. In light of current research on multi-ferroics, this seems to be more of a possibility.  In short, when a magnet interacts with a multi-ferroic, a potential difference is induced as long as the magnet is in its vicinity (without having to move across the metal/wire).  The deduction for me is that the interaction between the earth's magnetic field and the SB may well produce the same effect.

I realize this will go against the experience of some who have been producing voltage with moistened iron and copper windings. I can't help but wonder if the potential difference produced by these units is actually the fruit of a galvanic effect between the two metals on the coil.

Perhaps Stubblefield stumbled on the multi-ferroic-magnetic interaction as a way to produce useable power, using simple rusting iron wire coils.
Bob

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OK I have an idea, in order to make a battery coil as shown in the attached patent, in this day and age we might consider using galvanized steel wire rather than iron wire for one element and bare copper or (maybe carbon filament or some other appropriate wire-thread), Back in Nathans day iron wire was likely abundant but not now, galvanized steel wire and copper should work just as well or maybe better.

And for insulating between each wire so there is no metallic connection between wires we could use some cotton or natural fiber thread/string. between each layer we could use regular cotton cloth or similar. We can get bare copper wire in a number of ways and galvanized steel "tie wire" is cheap and plentiful in appropriate gauges,as well the galvanized coating gives better voltage than iron as far as I can tell.

Then the outer secondary could can be regular insulated magnet wire.

To operate the battery (we wet it) and to utilize the secondary we would use an oscillator make and break on the primary "coil battery" section and the variations in the magnetic flux will induce a voltage in the secondary of whatever tension the winding ratio produces and at whatever frequency the oscillator is run at. Sounds simple, I'll give it a go.

The limitations are the voltage produced by the battery coil section and the resistance of the shorted battery coil arrangement, the resistance being the current limiter.

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Anyone know what chemical I would use to remove the coating from magnet wire ?

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #4027 on: December 10, 2014, 04:45:33 AM »
Hey guys..I am new to this site but have been reading non stop since I joined and I apologize if someone has asked this already...but was wondering if anyone knows what he was using the capacitors for? Is it possible he used them to (for the lack of a better way to say it) shock the 3rd winding on the coil? maybe intensifying something magnetically? I've seen lasersaber's video where he would check the end with a compass on each winding and the reaction would increase with each winding..maybe shock the coil to magnetically draw current faster therefore producing higher output? its been said that the 3rd winding was possibly used as a trigger of some sort...I haven't seen anyone make mention of this and is probably a stupid question but was just a thought..thanks..Corey.

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #4028 on: December 27, 2014, 08:09:45 PM »
Here's my first Earth Battery. I am wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to get more power out of 2 grounds.

Earth Battery With Just 2 Grounds
http://youtu.be/Avp7bkLRlAA

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #4029 on: December 27, 2014, 09:25:39 PM »
Here's my first Earth Battery. I am wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to get more power out of 2 grounds.

Earth Battery With Just 2 Grounds
http://youtu.be/Avp7bkLRlAA

I left a comment on your video...nice work.

First, to get the best output, try to get metals as far away from each other on the galvanic scale.  The easiest to obtain are carbon rods, and magnesium.  These are very far apart on the chart.

Carbon goes into the ground to the north (north south Meridian, not Magnetic north) and Mg to the south.  It is easily possible that you are picking up a lot of noise from items grounded in your house circuit.  However, I did see very large spikes on my scope shots of my EB and it is not tied to any electrical connections at all.

With the addition of some super caps, or even large boostcaps, you will then be able to run all sorts of cool things from your set-up. (48" floro tube, 400 leds, Bedini motor, etc.)

Check out my youtube videos if interested.

Bill

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #4030 on: December 27, 2014, 09:36:33 PM »
I left a comment on your video...nice work.

First, to get the best output, try to get metals as far away from each other on the galvanic scale.  The easiest to obtain are carbon rods, and magnesium.  These are very far apart on the chart.

Carbon goes into the ground to the north (north south Meridian, not Magnetic north) and Mg to the south.  It is easily possible that you are picking up a lot of noise from items grounded in your house circuit.  However, I did see very large spikes on my scope shots of my EB and it is not tied to any electrical connections at all.

With the addition of some super caps, or even large boostcaps, you will then be able to run all sorts of cool things from your set-up. (48" floro tube, 400 leds, Bedini motor, etc.)

Check out my youtube videos if interested.

Bill
Thanks Bill. I have some 20 F caps and will try that. I think the first thing I will do is plug in a replication I did of one of
magnetman2010's modified replications. I love that old fart! lol

I have seen some of your videos, but will make it a point to go through them again. Don't tell me I have something
better to do with my time! lol

PS - I have been looking for a long time for a source of magnesium and carbon rods for less than $10/pound. Any suggestions?

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #4031 on: December 27, 2014, 10:08:18 PM »
You inquired about materials sourcing for my eb, so I will try to help.

The accurate info is posted waaayyyy back in this topic but I will try to remember ...

The carbon rods I have were actually just one long 1" dia. x 20" long, or thereabouts carbon rod.  I got this from a local company called AirGas.  These are called welding rods and are used for special welding applications.  Some of the carbon rods you will find have copper caps on one or both ends.  Mine was just a pure carbon rod.

I used those magnesium fire starter blocks for a while as they were cheap and readily available.  Then, I discovered that, a local company that supplies Propane has these large magnesium blocks used to stop in ground tank corrosion.  The one I got was 5 pounds, was rated at 1 amp. and had a nice heavy wire lead imbedded in it and it was also encased in a heavy canvass bag filled with potash, which if memory serves, aids the magnesium in having better contact with the earth.  I believe I paid about $40.00 for this and they had to order it.  This was about 7 years ago or so.

If you have any questions, let me know.

Bill

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« Reply #4032 on: December 27, 2014, 10:20:44 PM »
$40 seems too much... I can get 10' of 1/2" diameter copper pipe for $11 locally, so that would be the most
I would pay for a ground. I can get 10' of iron for about the same price, so that may be the solution. It's not
as good as magnesium, but it will work. I will probably work with what I have for now and possibly expand on
that when it gets warmer and I am ready to break ground on a new ground. Thanks!

ref: lowes.com

PS - if you have that source, please pass it back. That may be a good solution for my crystal battery research.

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #4033 on: December 28, 2014, 12:09:26 AM »


Bedini, you are a class act even if you didn't contribute to this thread until later.






I'm not concerned that someone didn't actually combined an aerial to an earth battery as suggested, not that the thread is slowing down to a crawl.
Answer:
Okay, look at tis...

https://www.google.com/search?site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=576&q=long+wire+antenna+design&oq=long+wire+&gs_l=img.1.4.0l10.7813.11845.0.16919.10.9.0.1.1.0.88.489.9.9.0.msedr...0...1ac.1.60.img..0.10.487.xDXjdf85gUs#tbm=isch&q=long+wire+antenna+design+overunity+relay+earth+battery&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=NcSiJR0qsXM6uM%253A%3Byimlk-R26Cxi4M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.free-energy-info.co.uk%252FCh5%252FFig364.gif%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.free-energy-info.co.uk%252FChapt5.html%3B405%3B186
       This invention has an aerial and it can be made longer wit a VERY long wire at #25 on the drawing.

I'm all for free energy, as in: "don't pay for it" and I think it should be a right for everyone in this planet (to have free energy).
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       I agree, but the economy can implode shortly And Ive been paying attention to that possibility for quite a while.

But (and there is always a but), the energy does come from the electromagnetic field from mother Earth.
       The POWERS THAT BE know this as well.   They have a stranglehold on the world and won't give it up sort of death.

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #4034 on: December 28, 2014, 01:08:38 AM »
OK I have an idea, in order to make a battery coil as shown in the attached patent, in this day and age we might consider using galvanized steel wire rather than iron wire for one element and bare copper or (maybe carbon filament or some other appropriate wire-thread), Back in Nathans day iron wire was likely abundant but not now, galvanized steel wire and copper should work just as well or maybe better.

And for insulating between each wire so there is no metallic connection between wires we could use some cotton or natural fiber thread/string. between each layer we could use regular cotton cloth or similar. We can get bare copper wire in a number of ways and galvanized steel "tie wire" is cheap and plentiful in appropriate gauges,as well the galvanized coating gives better voltage than iron as far as I can tell.

Then the outer secondary could can be regular insulated magnet wire.

To operate the battery (we wet it) and to utilize the secondary we would use an oscillator make and break on the primary "coil battery" section and the variations in the magnetic flux will induce a voltage in the secondary of whatever tension the winding ratio produces and at whatever frequency the oscillator is run at. Sounds simple, I'll give it a go.

The limitations are the voltage produced by the battery coil section and the resistance of the shorted battery coil arrangement, the resistance being the current limiter.

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Anyone know what chemical I would use to remove the coating from magnet wire ?

..

Farmhand:

Sorry I did not see your post here until now.  Here is a photo of a coil I made way back when utilizing just what you described.  Iron wire and copper wire separated by cotton string wound on a galvanized iron core.  It did pretty well for a while, until I decide to "improve" the output by pouring a little vinegar on it.  The output really increased for a bit and then.....nothing, ha ha.  Oh well, live and learn.

Bill

 

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