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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1294441 times)

Offline IotaYodi

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3945 on: September 27, 2011, 04:46:42 PM »
Thanks Mw!

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3946 on: September 27, 2011, 06:50:44 PM »
No problem Iota. Let me know what you think of this little device.

Initial magnetic field observations in process on my completed coil. Again, I am using what most consider the secondary coil, to create the magnetic field. This it does fairly well so far. Am able to observe strong field properties at the end of my iron bolt. So considering the distances involved, I am happy with it. This outer coil being wired in a series bifilar arrangment works(copper-copper). So at this point a magnetic field is being created in/around the inner copper-iron windings. And lo and behold, the electron pump finally makes itself evident. Stubblefield was damn smart....

Am observing very curious things in the reciever coil (copper-iron). I need to sift through the many observations. Building my overall coil like I did, allows for total experimentation to occur. Figuring out the activation coil was easy. The reciever coil is indeed mysterious in how it behaves in certain situations. I'll bag it though, just need some more time. I still see the pump, I just need to understand how to run it properly.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2011, 10:03:16 PM by MW383 »

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3947 on: September 27, 2011, 10:14:57 PM »
Please explain the particulars of applying power to the secondary.  Even if you don't understand it, please tell us what exactly you did so that we can learn from your experiences.
Thanks.  Keep up the good work!

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3947 on: September 27, 2011, 10:14:57 PM »
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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3948 on: September 27, 2011, 11:56:31 PM »
As far as powering the 'secondary', it is simple, just put a voltage across it. This will eventually be done at a frequency. The 'secondary', if sized large enough, will create a very strong magnetic field through the 'primary iron windings + iron bolt serving as a core'. (I think an obvious future improvement here would be to upgrade the solid iron core with either bundled iron rods or a laminated affair like in a transformer. Or something in which field collapse happens completely and rapidly) My 'secondary' was wired series bifilar, thus it has good magnetic field production despite only being 5 layers of 24ga copper wire. Doing this is the easy part.

The iron winding is worthy of the most contemplation in this design. More info when I have the data.... As far as me building this thing in a so called backwards mode of operation. Don't sweat it. The patent isn't 'gold' in its final/current rendition. Stubblefield was forced to change it. No biggie... Nothing a little opposite thinking won't cure.

I need Tishitang right now. If anyone has heard from him or knows how to get in contact with him, let me know. I am getting close to radio time.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2011, 12:52:35 AM by MW383 »

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3949 on: September 28, 2011, 01:12:13 AM »
Heres a circuit he posted awhile back.

OK, here is my circuit on the Stubblefield Patent 600457

To understand the patent you have to understand resonant circuits.  To review:  A parallel res circuit multiplies the voltage.  A series res circuit multiplies the amps.  The Q of the circuit is the multiplier.

For example:  We have two ground rods.  The voltage between them is 1 AC volt at a small .002 amps.  Then if Q is the multiplier, we have 50 volts peak on the parallel circuit, and .100 amps on the series circuit.  If we could combine the two separate circuits, we would have a gain in power of 50 X 50 = 2500 all in theory.  If we were only 10 % efficient due to loads and losses, we would still have a gain of 250, not bad.  The bifilar coil in the patent is high Q construction.  It probably has a Q of 100 to 200.   So, you see the potential is there.to gain a lot of power even with a small input.

Stubblefield did not have diodes to play with in his day.  Unless he used an antennae, he would not be able to use a parallel circuit.  So, what did he do?  He used two series circuits to amplify the amps.  The two ground rods of their respective circuits would still remain at the one volt difference.  We are just pumping up  the amps.  He gets the gain in voltage by colliding the series currents into each other.  Notice the new circuit shows the ground rod pairs at opposite voltage to each other!

Have you ever watched boats in a lake coming in from opposite directions.  Each has a small wake.  But when the wakes collide, it sets up a few big high waves.   Same effect is seen when reflected waves meet the source waves.  You get higher and lower waves at a lower frequency as their energies mix and match or cancel each other.  these higher and stronger wave energize the collector coil wound around the bifilar pair in opposition.  This is our power gain.  Their must be an also unknown power gain by using one coil of iron.  The higher resistance of iron can possibly link with the magnetic field of the earth, or cause a phase shift that helps the amplification factor?  Or maybe has something to do with conditioning the space?

I have seen writings speculating on the make or break of the secondary (collector) coil.  This is a simple relay set up as a vibrator.  Here, it is normally closed.  I should have placed it next to its battery where it can be normally open.  When energized by the battery or separate EB, the coil of the relay opens and closes the contacts in a vibrating mode.  This works the same as hitting a bell with a hammer.   The bell will ring at its resonant tone.  It doesn't matter how you hit the bell or how fast or what kind of hammer.  It will still ring at the same tone.  A tuned resonant circuit acts the same as a bell.  The sharp pulses of the relay contacts will ring the circuits at their resonant frequencies automatically.   

To have this make or break in the patent only makes sense if you are using resonant circuits.  The same reason he used high Q winding techniques.  These are resonant circuits.  Everything points to it.

Even though the iron and copper coils are linked together as a bifilar winding, they can each have different resonant frequencies.  The make or break will ring them both.  Look back to the Q reference at the beginning of this thread and see the graph.  The higher the Q, the longer the ring.

This primes the pump, so to speak, and gets things going into resonance.  Then the battery and the relay are no longer needed.  You collect your power through the normally closed switch.  The pumping action conditions the immediate area.  The longer you pump the EB, the bigger your conditioned area will become.  You can add a feedback loop to sustain operation.  If earth currents shift or weaken, you can prime the pump again to get things going.  Once conditioned, it takes less energy to sustain the field.  To get it going again might be as easy as sparking the wire as you touch it to connect.

Knowing these principles, you can can design your own version of the patent.  It can be bigger or smaller.  Smaller means higher frequencies.  Bigger means lower frequencies.  Normally, the lower frequencies carry more energy.  I say start with what you have on hand to prove the principle.  Try and use natural insulation materials instead of plastic.  Fiberglass and resin are OK for insulation.  I have a feeling modern magnet wire is OK as long as the coating is not plastic. Be sure and use the wood ends and cotton wrap between layers of the coils and the core.  I will explain why later.

Before you bury your EB in the ground do the following:

Place the components on the ground and map the magnetic fields around  a five foot radius or whatever you have room for.  Write down, the direction the compass points as you walk around the spot.  See how close the compass has to be to attract to the iron, say 3 inches.  Then after you bury it and start your conditioning, see if it changes the magnetic field?   Magnetic field and orientation of the compass changes will indicate conditioning is happening and how far out it has expanded.  For example, the compass is now pointing to the iron at two feet away instead of 3 inches with the priming turned off.

I hope this helps us all in the search for cheap energy.
Tishatang



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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3949 on: September 28, 2011, 01:12:13 AM »
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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3950 on: September 28, 2011, 02:35:08 AM »
Tishatang, when you built this device, how many volts and amps did you get and was it continuous?  Also, how many volts and amps did you apply to the secondary to "prime the pump"?  Was it AC or DC?
Thanks
Tony

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3951 on: September 28, 2011, 04:07:04 AM »
Iota,

Yes I am well familiar with Tishitang's writings and diagrams here. He seemed to be working from the premise of running the Iron and Copper windings of the primary at a resonant frequency. I'm in full approval of the concept. I am operating my newest coil different. I am not running my primary this way. I am instead interested in running the secondary coil in the fashion Tishitang suggests. I am pulling a strong magentic field through the primary coil by using my secondary. Works like a charm. The primary is just sitting there while this happens. This is where the fun is beginning. I am observing very interesting things. Very interesting in fact. Far more interesting than my former coils where I used the primary to create the magnetic field. This new way has the options we need. Options that get shut when we use the primary for field generation. I do not care what the patent says, it was modified to satisfy some government loving patent office bozos. Smart bozos that were working an economic situation. In other words, you cannot have a population operating a free energy source. Screw this. I will run the thing backwards to the patent and get the bugger doing what it is supposed to. Think of the process I propose. It is different than the typically cruddy primary inducing a current into a secondary. It will simply never develop the power to perform the work Stubblefield describes. Never. The 'mechanism' only works one way. Stubblefield called it an energy reciever or whatever. I call it an electron pump. I am no OU believer. Stubblefield is not OU. He merely pulled things into his system from an outside domain. That is why this thing will work. It is also why it was trashed by the patent office. Well no more. Think backwards. Rebuild what you have and throw away the idiotic concept of pulling big power off a secondary. :) It's in the iron. The iron is the lever of the electron pump.

Happy building! For me I am nearing the next benchtop phase of testing. A wetted cell. After this it is in the ground it will go. where it belongs.... The only other way this thing will work in air is to employ an air based electron supply source. Of which Stubblefield seemed to have figured out with some of his other designs......

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3952 on: September 28, 2011, 04:15:12 AM »
I'm really interested in hearing what happens after it is in the ground.

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3953 on: September 28, 2011, 05:20:12 PM »
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Tishatang, when you built this device
I dont believe he built it Tony. He knew how coils worked and all about resonance.

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The iron is the lever of the electron pump
Thats what I see. The alternating magnetic field collapse drawing the current in by standard convention via the south magnetic pole. Questions were raised as how to orientate the coil in the ground as to horizontal or vertical. It may be better to align and angle it / towards the incoming Earths magnetic south pole or geographic north if its possible. That way it hits the very end of the coil broadside keeping this flow generally in one direction. I guess you could attach an iron wire/wires to the end of the coil that sticks out above ground.  Then possibly adding wire,copper/iron?  to that to go vertically to trees or antenna for the electrostatic field or other electromagnetic waves.. I would think this would use the potential difference of the Earth to the atmosphere.
Some questions for you. I assume you wrapped a secondary around the bifilar primary? Can you do a simple hookup pic? I see your in the States. How much did you pay for the pw from England?

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3954 on: September 28, 2011, 06:12:36 PM »
Iota,
Angled ground orientation makes sense. I think however that this thing is relatively forgiving in these orientation regards. I will attempt drawing a diagram that outlines the system I am proposing. I created what I call a quasi-bifilar inner coil using the standard copper and iron materials. On top of this is an outer coil comprised of copper that is bifilar in a purer sense. There will obviously be external devices attached to this double coil arrangement. I am revising Tishitang's concepts slightly because from connection and theory of operation standpoints, my coil is a bit different despite looking nearly identical to all of the other coils people are making.

The basic principle is to bring in a flow of electrons from the outside world and through a unique process, attach them into the internal world of the Stubblefield device. If we have frequencies involved, 'earth' should make a response to our little electro/magnetic intrusion. The response will be one that seeks to equilibrate but at the same time it will have interesting characteristics. It will be initially larger then taper off. In a one shot process, it is just like throwing a stone into water from a resulting wave action standpoint. Only in this case, the waves will progressively get smaller until the water is calm again. (I borrowed this example from somebody, I just can't remember who at the moment). In the case of our 'Stubblefield earth intrusion', we merely keep throwing stones in the water. There are optimal frequencies involved here that will keep earth reactive wave heights at their highest. Here is where Tishitang's theories come into play.

The Stubblefield will work in two modes. One, it will piss off the natural system. Two, it will recieve the natural systems reaction. The idea is to capture the excess portion of the earth reaction. That is the differential we need to create, maintain, and harvest from. No differential, then no real game. What we piss the system off with has to be smaller than the earth response. There are many optimizations that can be done to improve this. Many of these already discussed on this forum.

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3955 on: September 29, 2011, 02:29:38 AM »
Good reading on the earths electromagnetic properties on resonance and frequency's on water.


http://www.google.com/patents/download/13_123_024_METHODS_AND_APPARATUS_TO_CREA.pdf?id=V6 XrAQAAEBAJ&output=pdf&sig=ACfU3U2AVZVLOXfDrvLrToOV thI0cuPkWA&source=gbs_overview_r&cad=0

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3956 on: October 06, 2011, 11:19:30 PM »
Looking for John Bedini's "Monopole Transformer" schematic.

In his Earthlight 4 video, at 15sec to 30 sec, John Bedini shows his "Monopole forced oscillator" circuit:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Energenx#p/u/27/OXXpnWsLuG0
He says that as an open looped circuit, it is much more efficient than a joule thief.  I'm looking for the schematic for this unit.

Is this the same schematic at the "Earth Light, The Easy Way" video, 1:00 ?  Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Energenx#p/u/30/xTLKEUaDv78

If not could someone provide it (if it's legally available)? It looks like it has a picture hanging nail for the core.

Any help, muy apreciado :)
Bob

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3958 on: October 07, 2011, 01:36:43 AM »
Thanks very much, Iota.
Bob

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3959 on: October 09, 2011, 08:11:40 AM »
Hi All,
Life is full of synchronicities.  Something told me to check on Overunity to see what was going on.   I saw Stubblefield, clicked on the last page to see the action, and there was my name right at the top of page 80!
Life is interesting.

Sad to hear Jim in the middle of flood problems.   I have had my share of problems too.   But, I am back at my old place now in N. Calif, the China experience behind me.   My priorities are to finish projects at my house, it being neglected for four years.   Much to do before the rainy season starts.  It is going slow, my muscles are weak from non excercise and I am getting older, will be 75 in December.

I am excited to see this topic reboot.   Don't know if I will be able to do a build, my hands starting to shake a bit to hold a soldering iron.   But, I am always glad to offer my opinion.

@MW, You have the right idea to use the primary as the "collector".
Driving the secondary gives the following advantages in an EB.   

It has higher inductance having more turns of finer wire.   The higher the inductance, the lower in frequency of natural resonance.   

It will be more sensitive to the small input source signals.

The small input of varying voltage will be stepped down by the turns ratio, giving a corresponding step up of current at the collector coil "Primary".  Current is where the useable power is. 

And, how convenient, the wire is bigger to handle the current.

I do not consider myself an expert, just an old backyard mechanic, retired musician.   But, I do have a BS degree from UCLA from the old school days if that counts?

Feels good to be back.    I can always be reached at:

tishatang at gmail

 

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