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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1294668 times)

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3930 on: September 23, 2011, 06:16:06 PM »
fathershand, I agree that there are very unique aspects to this battery/coil. As you mentioned, galvanic or magnetic. I also long suspected that once the reaction (at a frequency) is started, then there is some interaction with ground aspects that occurs.

The battery starts operating in a pure galvonic state. Thus as we all know, fairly weak electrically and thus weak magnetically. At some point, in theory, an interaction with earth occurs. Earth acting in a capacitor sense almost. The slowly building of power, or in ground antenna work - the slow building of signal strength, indicates that some kind of re-orginization occurs. Eventually this produces enough earth based electrical power that it surpasses the galvonic capabilities of the battery itself. More electrical input = more magnetism. More magnetism = more power. Clean, non-corroded iron windings have been a reported characteristic. This means that oxidation/reduction from an electrochemical sense is not indicating internal battery discharge. I have intentionally driven 9VDC into my NS coils. An interesting thing happens. What appears to be hydrogen gas is produced. The other noticeable thing was that light surface oxidation on the iron windings, was reduced. So that is why I think the larger earth current vs internal battery galvonic current keeps the windings in a clean state. Furthermore, we either need a lot of natural magnetics or a lot of natural current to get any real power out of this thing. My conclusion errors to the side of increasing natural currents. The natural magnetic field is so weak, that to concentrate it somehow in great enough quantity, seems less likely.

So my question is, how does the 'earth' take over process work - exactly? Through simple ground rod experimentation I have seen both DC and AC currents. The DC a result of electrochemistry between the galvanized iron and copper rods obviously. The AC observed was much weaker but it was clearly there. If we have natural magnetic field, it would seem the AC is a direct result of this. I always wanted to somehow magnify the power of the natural AC aspect. It is already naturally oscillating thus if it were strong enough, it could be useful in potentially cycling an induction coil through some switching method. If the induction coil was resonant with whatever frequency(or frequencies) that were naturally happening, then maybe some good power is possible. Obviously the lower the frequency, the more power. I think it would be useful to have an induction coil that is capable of being resonant over a frequency range, the lower this range the better. As I understand it, construction aspects of the induction coil make this a possibility somewhat.

Iota, Iron being less conductive is a good clue. I need to ponder this more.

Well I'm rambling a bit much here. It has been some time since I have thought about this system, hence the probably meaningless conjecture on my part :).
« Last Edit: September 23, 2011, 06:43:05 PM by MW383 »

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3931 on: September 23, 2011, 09:40:46 PM »
Hi everybody
To show that its possibly the bifilar arrangement that makes the Stubblefield coil special,
and not so much the galvanic battery, consider this article from the JL Naudin website
http://home.comcast.net/~onichelson/VOLTGN.pdf
Kind regards

I commented on this once way back. Did anyone have any thoughts to the paper she attached?
« Last Edit: September 23, 2011, 10:06:45 PM by MW383 »

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3932 on: September 24, 2011, 02:36:26 AM »
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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3933 on: September 24, 2011, 02:53:43 AM »
This probably doesn't mean anything, but I find this interesting.  If you read this patent: http://www.google.com/patents?vid=4457988  you will see that this guy uses a coal vein as one of the earth battery electrodes.  NS was from the same state I was born in, Kentucky.  What do they have a lot of in Kentucky and also in Pennsylvania where NS also did some work?  You guessed it: COAL.  What don't they have in New York City, where NS was unable to get his device to work?  You guessed it: COAL.

My conjecture is that since COAL is very high in carbon, it would follow that maybe the earth's currents might flow readily through it.  This might be the cause of NS claims of high energy flow in the earth battery used in KY.

What think ye?

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3934 on: September 24, 2011, 04:17:25 AM »
fathershand,

the coal aspect points to a simple concept. Dipole. Get a good dipole to play with and plenty of fun can be had. It doesn't matter if it is a bed of underground coal, or some space based object up to and including an entire galaxy if you want to think big enough. A dipole is a dipole. Stubblefield did have a hell of a time in New York. He left disgusted at the 'stony ground' he encountered there. The geographic areas you mention are interesting ones. Also on this list should be southern Illinois, Missouri, and even Arkansas. Plenty of freakiness under the ground in these places. Actually I would also be interested in anywhere near the New Madrid fault line as well. Dipole possibilities abound. I have studied quite a few older electro-geological based prospecting patents. Before modern satellite based prospecting abilities, they did it with ground interacting induction coil systems. Their coils could detect dipoles that were miles deep. Obviously their goals were finding the dipoles created by ores or oil. Again, dipole is the ticket here. Tap into a big enough one, and plenty of satisfaction can result for mankinds relatively unsophisticated needs (like electricity).

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3935 on: September 24, 2011, 04:47:38 AM »
This probably doesn't mean anything, but I find this interesting.  If you read this patent: http://www.google.com/patents?vid=4457988  you will see that this guy uses a coal vein as one of the earth battery electrodes.  NS was from the same state I was born in, Kentucky.  What do they have a lot of in Kentucky and also in Pennsylvania where NS also did some work?  You guessed it: COAL.  What don't they have in New York City, where NS was unable to get his device to work?  You guessed it: COAL.

My conjecture is that since COAL is very high in carbon, it would follow that maybe the earth's currents might flow readily through it.  This might be the cause of NS claims of high energy flow in the earth battery used in KY.

What think ye?

Interesting thoughts.  I live in Kentucky about 1.5 hours east of his old farm.  Not too much coal over there BUT, who knows how much lies waaaaay down that has not been discovered yet?  Interesting theory.

My question to this is...then how did he make what turned out to be the first ship to shore phone or radio call from the Potomac river in DC if coal, or some form of carbon in the ground was required?  In this case, there was no "ground" as it were, just river water.

Of course, the ground conditions under the river may have played a part...who knows?  We may never know.

I still see so many similarities between this device and Kapanadze's.  Pumping amps out of the ground.  There must be some connection in there somewhere.

Bill

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3936 on: September 24, 2011, 02:27:23 PM »
Pirate, It has been a long time since I read the account of Stubblefields ship to shore radio experiment. I am foggy on the power supply aspect of what he did. As far as the transmission of a signal through the water, obviously no problem either sending or recieving. (these old inventors did it by air, by sea, and by land) Same concept in all three just different circuit construction to deal with the media they were transmitting through.

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3937 on: September 24, 2011, 03:07:57 PM »
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A dipole is a dipole
But can be in the form of an electric dipole,magnetic dipole,or an acoustic dipole.
It would seem to me the ground currents would be the magnetic dipole or oscillating acoustic dipole. I wonder if you could discern between these with experiments with an earth battery for the predominate one. With an
oscillating electric field generating an oscillating magnetic field,and an oscillating magnetic field generating an oscillating electric field that might be tough.

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3938 on: September 25, 2011, 04:41:13 AM »
Started construction on my first Stubblefield coil since late 2009. It will be a smaller unit designed for specific tests / experiments only. I'll scale up when I have learned what is required. Core is a long iron bolt, nothing fancy. Wrapped around it is battery grade polypropylene (water permeable) seperator paper. Winding layer #1 is on. Another layer of seperator paper. Winding layer #2 is on. As far as the wires, my special manufactured 18ga copper w/ water permeable nylon weave insulation was used in addition to bare 16ga iron. The outer diameters are near equal so windings are real uniform. I was generous in my seperator paper thickness, about 1/2 the thickness of the wires. I am still debating on how many primary winding layers I will put on. I'll sleep on it. I should have the primary finished tomorrow.


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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3939 on: September 25, 2011, 04:50:46 AM »
The NS patent shows 5 coil layers. That's what I would do.

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« Reply #3940 on: September 25, 2011, 06:07:07 PM »
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The NS patent shows 5 coil layers. That's what I would do. 
The amount of layers or turns will be arbitrary as its a 1to1 coil. The more turns and the larger the wire will give more power though. You should have a low carbon steel core. 1018 or better. You want a good magnetic field collapse. Interleaving cotton can be a pain so thats why I bought cotton covered wire.

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« Reply #3941 on: September 26, 2011, 05:08:05 PM »
'Primary Coil' is done, 5 layers. Calling it this seems incorrect to me. Instead I will refer to it as the reciever coil. The construction went smoothly and was uneventful. The materials used made things quite easy. (Custom nylon weave insulated copper wire, battery seperator paper). Windings strategy for this coil was done in a fashion to allow high self induction like the patent eludes to. Next up is to construct the secondary coil. Another bad term in my opinion. Instead I will refer to it as the exciter coil. I'll acquire the copper magnet wire for this today. I will not be testing the reciever coil until the exciter coil has been added. Exitor coil will have to be tuned somewhat. This will require a bit of basic experimentation. The goal is to provide the best magnetic field possible around the core/reciever coil. Windings for the excitor coil to be series bifilar in nature, high magnetic field production, low self inductive properties.

Tishitang hinted at series resonance. OK but obviously I will employ it differently in my new constructon.
Tishitang hinted at multi-frequency operation (heterodyning). I like it.

I will aso be putting in an order for a nifty switching circuit. An experimenters kit that has series resonant circuit built into it, ability to vary frequency, etc... This will enable the bulk of experimentaton to proceed. Obviousy I will drive the excitor coil with this circuit.

Lot's to do here.... But quite fun!

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #3942 on: September 26, 2011, 08:56:50 PM »
The primary coil is bifilar.  What other type wire did you use?

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« Reply #3943 on: September 26, 2011, 11:27:42 PM »
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Do you have a link for it Mw?

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« Reply #3944 on: September 26, 2011, 11:48:57 PM »
The primary coil is bifilar.  What other type wire did you use?

Understand. This is my construction Iron and Copper wound side by side. As far as the wire, 16GA annealed iron (bare) + 16GA solid copper that I had covered in a water permeable nylon weave. I posted pictures of it a couple of years ago on this forum I believe. It is nice stuff. I am choosing not to directly cycle my primary. This I will use the secondary for. Thus from a design standpoint, the secondary has to be tuned for magnetic performance in relationship to the core (in this case the iron bolt + the iron windings present in the primary). In other words, backwards from what many people do with these systems. Hence my secondary will also be bifilar wound and in series fashion in order to obtain better magnetic field generation. Limited benchtop experimentation will be performed to establish a few facts. After this, the bulk of experimentation will occur via Stubblefield coil residing in the ground. I do not believe in something from nothing. So into the ground this thing will go. The secondary coil will be operated at frequency. I will artificially cycle the secondary to begin with and use an external power source. This being done in order to research and learn. At some point this life support would be removed and replaced with something self sufficent to the Stubblefield coil. One step at a time for now. Maybe I will apply some modified Tishitang thinking. The primary will sit their and be in a recieving mode for an earth enhanced galvonic current. I intend on pulling useful straight DC voltage from the primary and perform heavy work with what I take. In theory...

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Iota, here is the link:
http://www.rmcybernetics.com/shop/cyber-circuits/pulse-generators/power-pulse-modulator-ocx/prod_42.html

I think this would be a useful experimentation tool. The price is right too.

 

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