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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1609842 times)

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #330 on: December 18, 2007, 03:43:33 AM »
Jeanna:

Now that I got the pics up, finally, I will try to answer some of your other points.  Actually, the second pic. was supposed to be the rod but was the circuit but...oh well.

Yes, I read on the Dr. Stiffler topic (I think ) about the batch thing with leds.  Thanks for pointing that out.  Of course, with the quality control in China, or lack there of, there is not telling what I am going to get anyway.

I know how to wire the leds in series, that is not what I meant.  I want to know how to wire the cells in series as I am building another cell next to the first one and I want to get like 3.6 volts or so out of it in series.  It is not like sticking D-cells in a flashlight, I tried it that way and it was a dead short.  I am sure I am doing something wrong because the way I did it would not have even worked with 2 car batteries and I know they can be hooked in series as well.

Thanks for the warning on the larger caps.  I already know that.  Want to know how I know?????  Learned the hard way.. ha ha.  A TV technician friend of mine many years ago warned me, too late as it turnes out, to unplug my set overnight before working on it.  He said the caps would discharge overnight.  They did.  (after I did it his way after my shock)  So, I was thinking that these smaller ones would do the same.  Another guy told me this was called "bleed down".  That is why I am amazed that it still has more volts reading on it now than I was getting with the cell.  More experimentation needed.

The guy in the video with the led in the bathroom used only one led.  You can see it in the video near the start.  I think he mispoke himself possibly when he said he was getting 2 amps...maybe 2 milliamps?  I know it is hard when you are the camera man, director, actor and producer as I have mispoken a few times in my vids. I hope he really did get 2 amps.

The small cap I am using came out of a shake flashlight. (you shake it to charge it)  I sacrificed it as it only cost $5 and I also got an led, and a great coil and a very strong neo magnet out of it as well.  Let me know if you have any more questions.  I very much appreciate all of your input. Thanks.

Bill

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #331 on: December 18, 2007, 04:36:39 AM »
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I want to make one. I have lots of leds left over from that class and I need some outdoor lights and I'd love to make them with earth batteries and caps. It is too dark too often and my solar path light doesn't glow enough.

OOPS Sorry localjoe. I remember that is your idea. Itsagoodone!

don't worry. I won't make a business out of it. (I already did one business thats enough!)

jeanna

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #332 on: December 18, 2007, 05:07:50 AM »

 Let me know if you have any more questions.
Bill

I will have more but I need to eat some dinner first.

I wanted to get this link to you.
http://www.borderlands.com/newstuff/research/superior_radionics.htm
also
http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/forsale/plans/earthbattery/

It was here before. I had the experience you had trying to put these earth cells in series. I don't know how one would do it either. One or the other of these pages addresses that you will not be able to add to the voltage by putting them in series. You just get zero. So, you and I both got zero by that so, see if  the ideas of the array might help. Sorry, I need to eat. I will try to find it if you can't now I know there are 2 of us that got zero, I know I am doing this OK.

jeanna
« Last Edit: December 18, 2007, 05:32:31 AM by jeanna »

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #333 on: December 18, 2007, 05:17:32 AM »
bill

its hard to predict what the earth will do, it has all the elements we use today in our batteries antennas solar pannels and capaciters. its got bio electrical generators and god knows what else! 

my theory is the earth itself will not make much electricity but will store it well and collect it well. i think that the major influence on our experiments thus far some proven some theory is that the lightning is striking the earth in china and its creating a pulse over here but that our amp meters cannot read it to its fullest extent. how many lightning bolts strike the earth any given moment? LOL yea enough. so i think your capacitor is getting charged by a pulsed dc current from the earth and that our .9 or 1.5 volts at 2 miliamp is just an average. im willing to bet we would see some great stuff in a storm !   

now as for a capacitor. i learned from the web (wiki pedia) its like a bucket with 2 spouts, theres the in spout high on the bucket and it has a flow control to stop the water coming in after it reaches that high inlet spout. then theres the outlet spout low on the bucket, with ac current or pulsed dc, it will be a fluctuating input into the bucket, it gets full it gets half full it gets full it gets half full but because the out is in the bottom of the bucket it remains constant.

whats the capacitor rated? 22 farad?  it should say on it. and i believe the voltage out is what ever the voltage in.

now for the pair (capacitor and led)  since we have a 1.5 v in on the capacitor we get that out. its not the full 1.7 so its not a fully bright led.  with the capacitor our variable amps is now constant. before it was averageing too low to be a full load for the led but now with the capacitor its a full load and its much brighter.  hope this helps if not check wiki pedia they got a really good article!

on a side note my wife is being very resistant twards my experiments, looks like im going to have to please the gods with some house work to get what i want  :P

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #334 on: December 18, 2007, 05:56:36 AM »


now for the pair (capacitor and led)  since we have a 1.5 v in on the capacitor we get that out. its not the full 1.7 so its not a fully bright led.  with the capacitor our variable amps is now constant. before it was averageing too low to be a full load for the led but now with the capacitor its a full load and its much brighter.  hope this helps if not check wiki pedia they got a really good article!


The thing is Arctic_Knight that the led should not even begin to light unless there is 1.7v.. Try it. put a led between the ends of a AA battery and see. the only times you can buy a led flashlight or candle or whatever that has only 1,   1.5v battery is when the engineer has added a chip that makes the led flash so fast that the eye misses it.

It is possible that this is what is happening with Bill's circuit. but I don't know. (I mean flashing fast)  Given that a diode is a one way entity and a cap is one way in and same way out, I can't get how the charge is circling around to keep the diode lit.

Another thing is that a capacitor has a bizarre speed of filling and emptying. There is a curve that describes each function. It fills up to 66% full very quickly then continues to fill slower and slower for EVER... Then The same curve happens when it empties 66% right away then lots of time to finish emptying. The engineers use this and have most of the activity happening in the first part of the curve both ways to approximate something smooth enough to be imperceptable.

Wow, I didn't realize I had learned so much in that class!
Hope it helps.

jeanna

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #335 on: December 18, 2007, 06:02:50 AM »
Artic Knight:

Very good explanation of the capacitor I believe.  So, if I read you correctly, the pulsed dc and/or any ac component will not drive the led as well as with the cap which "smooths out" the pulses and feeds back straight dc.  This makes a lot of sense to what I am seeing here.  I do believe you are correct that a cap. will max out on the input voltage, I have read this in my electronics books.  My question is this about caps which I can not seem to find anywhere.  What do they do to the amps/milliamps?  If you put in 2 mA over time is that what you get out?  Or, do they "build up" somehow?  It seems to me they should be constant like the volts but I believe I am getting more power out of the cap than what was put in.  I can not read the markings on this small cap, but you see it in the picture.  I have another larger on that says it is " 200 volt 820 uf"  It is almost the size of a "D" cell battery.  I want to hook this one up to see what happens.  Maybe it won't do anything other than store more juice to burn the led even longer once removed from the system.  Your ideas on the earth are right in step with what I believe.  I wish I had the balls to be out there in an electrical storm with my meter but, something (survival instinct?) tells me it is not a good idea to mess with well grounded conductors in those types of conditions...ha ha.  Did you tell your wife that you are trying to help the world by participating in projects like this?  Well, my ex-wife didn't care anything about stuff like that.  You need to keep her happy.

Jeanna:

I read fully the second link when it was posted earlier and I will now read the first one.  Thanks. I am also learning Google Sketch up so that I can post a diagram of my series attempts so maybe some of the electronics people can point me in the right direction. Did the pictures I posted help you to see what I am doing any better?  I don't have much time these days for experiments and the weather is cold but, I will make some time and brave the weather here at Ice Station Zebra for the good of the project.  Just wish my leds would get here already.

Bill

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« Reply #336 on: December 18, 2007, 06:11:37 AM »
Jeanna:

My led will light off of one AA battery.  I tried it that way to make sure it was working correctly and that I had the polarity right.  It was not as bright as it is on my cell outside, even before I added the capacitor.  Hope this helps.

Bill

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #337 on: December 18, 2007, 06:22:05 AM »
Bill

does this
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and I want to get like 3.6 volts or so out of it in series.
mean that your carbon magnesium is giving you 1.8volts? I missed that because I missed a bunch of pages while I was trying to get up to speed on that pyramid page. !

I want some of that stuff if it is.
I remember your waiting for the carbon rod (I took a welding class last month and I can probably get some from the teacher) but I don't remember the magnesium. It looks like a brick. I am sorry if you covered this already. Where does one get that or what is it called?

jeanna

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« Reply #338 on: December 18, 2007, 06:25:07 AM »
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My led will light off of one AA battery.

How amazing. I wonder how radio shak did that.

cool.

jeanna

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« Reply #339 on: December 18, 2007, 06:54:51 AM »
bill and jenna,

the only thing i can figure is that the voltage is higher than the amp meter reads and same for the amperage, however its pulsed, that explains why the capaciter can keep it steady (constant discharge until empty).  capaciters are good for when the voltage or current is not even, like ac or from a hand crank generator like bills savaged flashlight (i have one too) in bills case the flash light would recieve pulsed dc current spuratically and needed to be stored (arm would get tired fast trying to shake that fast enough to keep constant light!)  so really it just smothes things out. but it has its limits. as jenna said it will reach a majority charge and then basically stop accepting any charg at all. but be careful, if the pulse exceeds the capacitors ability to accept and stor a charge it will blow the cap, like a fire cracker! seriously!  its fun but can be expensive entertainment! LOL

about those 8 foot rods, i want to use them but im not starting with them, once they are in the ground i can only imagine they are impossible to pull out  :P would be bad for experimenting unless we had a generally good idea how we wanted them :P but i bet they will double our amps! maybe more considering they will be deeper and there might be some multiplier effect.... who knows? after all the top soil is very different from the next layer.. i think its 100's of feed down to next layer tho... god i wish i paid attention in geography now :P

heres a little chemistry lesson. 
the more water that is between the electrodes the more resistance we will have for our battery because all the electricity potential in the battery area will want to produce hydrogen and oxygen by splitting the water and it takes energy to do that so resistance. if it rains we are probobly screwed.  but on a side note, i obtained a radical increase in electricity out put by "charging" my quartz cell batteries.

salt water + sand = .04 volt
salt water + sand + charge from car battery = .75 volt

remember the current is reversed when charging so if you try this put the positive battery head to the negative earth battery head.  this might give you a great "jump start" to your battery bill :D

i seen the video on that dude with the leds in the bathroom, i cant imagine what would be giving him all that current unless his appliances are leaking! or maybe he had a thunderstorm near by? dunno, but one amp is to say the least going to be hard for us. and making any useful current out of 2 volt one amp is going to be tougher.  my ionic breeze takes 6 watts an hour and its the least hungry device i think i have!  and using more of these cells will eventually become more pain than gain. after all how many people wants to walk through a yard of metal spikes? we have to limit the use of them. and find a way to generate some good current.... or tricks around it. i still want to see what my half brained half crippled tesla wireless amp is going to do. probobly nothing usefull.. but what else am i going to do with all this wire? :D 

if i can light some florecents from it i would be... well crazy happy!  but hey maybe we can get this amped or something so we can make free non solar yard lights for a 3 watt halogen bulb? that would be really cool too! i wonder if they come in 3 watts? hey bill feel like another experiment? :P

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« Reply #340 on: December 18, 2007, 07:20:33 AM »
The current produced is highest when the two metals are most widely separated from each other in the electropotential series, and when the material nearer the positive end is to the north, while that at the negative end is towards the south. The plates, one copper and another iron or carbon, are connected above ground by means of a wire with as little resistance as possible. In such an arrangement, the electrodes are not appreciably chemically corroded, even when they are in earth saturated with water, and are connected together by a wire for a long time.

It had been found that to strengthen the current, it was most advantageous to drive the northerly electropositive electrode deeper into the medium than the southerly electrode. The greatest currents and voltages were obtained when the difference in depth was such that a line joining the two electrodes was in the direction of the magnetic dip, or magnetic inclination. When the previous methods were combined, the current was tapped and utilized in any well-known manner.

In some cases, a pair of plates with differing electrical properties, and with suitable protective coatings, were buried below the ground. A protective or other coating covered each entire plate. A copper plate could be coated with powered coke, a processed carbonaceous material. To a zinc plate, a layer of felt could be applied. To use the natural electricity, earth batteries fed electromagnets, the load, that were part of a motor mechanism.
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it would appear that we are following this verbatim. so in that respect, shall we try an electric motor? i would imagine a special electric motor with an iron core at the windings would be most effecient for pulsed dc and usually not hard to find (old style from rc cars)

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« Reply #341 on: December 18, 2007, 07:34:15 AM »
i just looked at stubblefields wound battery and its very interesting, we are dealing with what scientists think is magnetic currents (doubt that since magnetic currents have to move to generate electricity) whats interesting is there is an iron bolt through the middle, a coil of wire around that bolt and another coil around that coil (the two coils seperated) it looks like the bolt is intended to be exposed and if thats the case i would like to see it aligned with the bolt tip to top north to south. so the magnetic current flows through the bolt :D what do you guys think?
 i bet i could get away with that here :P  i think ill try it :D

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« Reply #342 on: December 18, 2007, 08:32:04 AM »
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so the magnetic current flows through the bolt  what do you guys think?
 i bet i could get away with that here   i think ill try it

yes, please try it.

I just got up to speed here. I apologise for the uninformed comments I have made.
I think I stopped looking in around the time that rude guy was around.

I will be away for a couple of days.
But i will check in on thursday

and yes, please try it.

Bill,
I watched your videos. I think I get it. It is an interesting and beautifully simple circuit. bravo!!
I will try some of this when I get back.

jeanna

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« Reply #343 on: December 18, 2007, 10:32:57 AM »
 You all should read the comments from the "What is elctricity" thread in the half baked ideas forum. My conclusion may have the answer to your problems here.

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« Reply #344 on: December 18, 2007, 06:28:43 PM »
@nightlife
     I like your ideas man but unless they directly apply to your exp it doesent help much. 

Ok folks when i said they could be connected in series... i ment additive voltage but not in the hookup sense were use too...  as opposed to putting carbon to zinc then carbon to zinc making 2 cells
   
only connect one lead from 1 of each metal to your load.  the reamaing copper or zinc in the ground connect to other metal of the same so for instance copper to copper to load and zinc to zinc to load thats what gave me the results... sorry for not being clear earlier... Ive had a lot going on. And as far as anyone devolping a device similar.... Its open source keep it that way, and if you try to patent it i do have lawyers in the family.... this shit is staying free .   I had a guy recently messge me and ask why i didnt want to patent my camping device idea to make money...  And i told him once its finished and compacted.... its going to be freely sent to as many places as i have time and money .  But at no charge... ususally has the effect of people being happy and sharing... Hopefully all works out well.  all i have to say is if you could charge your phone ipod ect anywhere you could stick this thing in the ground ... and have a light... it would cool real cool.  Dam you mintyboost for starting a revolution.
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PS at this point were still dealing with replications not fine tuning so any of the frequencey ideas i would appreciate if left till later... once  we have the basics then we can use coils and all there inductive properties. But for now we need to find our best arrangement of electrodes and determine if the amperage will be high engough to run the boost circuit. Thanks again folks.
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