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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1609834 times)

Offline Localjoe

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #315 on: December 16, 2007, 11:29:57 PM »
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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #316 on: December 16, 2007, 11:30:53 PM »
@akash and all of rest of you new to this thread... The reason some of the freq activity has stopped here , well snow in my neck of the woods..and the same in others. Anyways you guys need to read the whole thread we've stumbled across a lot of things here and there all not the same.  as far as our basic earth battery bill has gotten the best results thus far with his graphite rod or carbon i cant remember which  but its here upwards of 1.7 to 1.8 v and a few  milliamp s.   Just two rods, i use a  nice zinc skrew an i mean a quarter inch diam 8 inch long zinc skrew and a peice of quarter inch copper pipe... the cells do work in series and the work better separated further from each other.. As well you need to align them with a compass to magnetic poles read this whole thread and you will see the progress thus far... My intrest lies in single line conductors and earth energy modulation as a carrier base. But i am working hard to devolp a small device for campers that will have abuilt in compass for easy alignment and you just stick it in the ground .. .no bigger than say a 20 soda bottle... with the use of that step circuit i plan to use the 5 v for a usb connector thinking that would be the most versatile thing to make for the socket. It would power either a few led's for a light or a usb socket for ipod/ cell recharging ect.
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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #317 on: December 17, 2007, 12:08:46 AM »
Localjoe, I think you need to wrap a magnetic field around you poles while ordering certain frenquencies using a wire wrapped around the magnetic field. I believe once you do that, you will find that you will have much higher readings as well as the cure to all our energy needs.

 I believe the ordering will require to be done with pulses.
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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #318 on: December 17, 2007, 12:30:03 AM »
@All,
Is there any place I could buy copper wire insulated with cotton or silk? I know it is antic stuff, but I need it to replicate Stubblefield coil battery as close as possible. 
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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #319 on: December 17, 2007, 02:56:28 AM »
The experiment I had done was actually this:  I filled a couple of flower seeder trays with earth (topsoil) and put copper & zinc (and I think i used copper/aluminium too).  By putting them in series I was able to get 2 V which was enough to light an LED dimly.  I was very happy, but the next day the LED was very dim and the day after it had gone out.
From my own experiments I don't remember being able to get more out of the earth by putting batteries in series, but I'll have to try again.

@localjoe - I have been following the thread from the beginning, and I do recall all the experiments that did go on.  What I was trying to say is that free energy is definitely out there.  However, it may take some more time to find it.  Now, if we already have and can easily duplicate a small earth battery of 10 mA or 20 mA @ 1.2 volts, then we *already* have an application for all the research so far, and we can make a product / gadget that works and can be improved upon.  I'd have done this already but have a broken arm and am unable to go digging/experimenting.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #320 on: December 17, 2007, 06:35:25 AM »
@ Localjoe:

Good to hear from you.  Yes, it's cold here too. (27 degrees f as I write this)  Almost too cold for experimenting...ha ha.  Best of luck to you on your device, pretty ambitious but, not out of reach in my opinion.  My leds from China have not arrived yet!!!  My goal is to see how many I can light with what I have, and then, to explore a series circuit, and then, to attempt the op amp or whatever circuits that have been posted with the use of coils and pulses.  I could use a little help with the series set up though.  I tried it once and, although I know what series and parallel are in theory, I am not quite sure how to apply that to 4 electrodes in the ground with 2 positive and 2 neg.  If I cross over and tie the left cell + to the right cell - it will be a short.  Should I tie the +'s together and then the -'s and then take a reading?  Or, should I put leads on all of the electrodes and bring them together on my meter?  I am learning as I go here but, I have made circuits in parallel and series before so I know what that is.  I just don't know how to apply that with my electrodes.  Any help would be appreciated.

My original led still lights from the single cell and yes, I am using a carbon rod mail ordered from a welding supply shop here in town.  I am not a chemist but graphite and carbon are very close to the same I think.  I believe the carbon is more "pure" for whatever that is worth.

@ akashh:

I am just guessing but using flower pots, or trays with dirt would be leaning more toward galvanic action rather than obtaining any additional input from the telluric currents alleged to be in the earth.  I am watching closely for any deterioration of my electrodes which would mean that they are being used up as in a normal battery.  So far, none observed but that does not mean it is not happening. Again, I saw the best result when I aligned the electrodes with the + to the north and the - to the south on the north/south meridian which is different from magnetic north and south.  How much different depends on your location on the planet.  For me, here in Kentucky at my location, there is a 3 degree difference between magnetic north and polar north.  I read this on the internet as part of our research and it is posted in the earlier part of the thread somewhere.  It does work for me to do this however, if someone else posts results that are better east and west, then who am I to argue?

@ Jeanna:

I am also following the pyramid experiments as well.  I am intrigued by the use of silica/quartz/sand as this also ties into other research being done by Hutchison and others.  There is quartz in the earth all over the world as it is the number one most naturally occurring mineral on the planet.  Maybe for a reason?  Who knows.  I read the post, I believe Hans put up (link to 10 pages or so) and I feel like 2toxic4u's video was an excellent example of a good replication of that information.  I wish I lived near a beach as I would love to try my cell there and see if it would work in dry sand and just tap into any available telluric currents.  That would be a great control experiment to do.  Dry sand without any electrolite present...water, salt, etc.

@Artic Knight:

I have seen those grounding rods here in town and no one could tell me what type of metal they were.  One guy said "copper" but it was obvious to me they were just plated on the o.d. (outside diameter)  He asked how I knew that and I told him..."the price".  They were like $8 and if they were solid copper would be more like $100.00.  A guy in an earlier posted video used one and a copper pipe and said he was getting 2 amps!!!!  I hope this is correct.  I have not obtained any real amps as of yet.  I do believe that with all of these great minds here, we will press on and figure this all out.  Then what?  Who knows.....

Bill

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #321 on: December 17, 2007, 06:44:11 AM »
Also, @ Nightlife:

I agree with your theories about magnetic fields.  How this might benefit us is anyone's guess at the moment.  I would suggest that you attempt a simple earth battery cell and apply your ideas to it.  I think you might be on to something but I am now following a "plan" based upon my past results and readings.  That is what this is for, this forum, I believe.  No sense in everyone doing the exact same experiments unless it is for the purpose of replicating/confirming others results.  Try it and please let us know of your results.  If promising, I have shifted gears before and will do so again and will follow.  Thanks.

@Georgemay:

I am not sure that you would need that early example of an insulator to replicate Stubblefield's device.  I don't see what would be wrong with using today's, advanced, insulated wire for this.  That is what is amazing to me about all of this.  Can you imagine what Tesla, Stubblefield, Helmholtz and other might do with the materials and devices available to us today?  Let others more up to speed on this advise you but I don't think it would change anything for the worse, only better in my opinion.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #322 on: December 17, 2007, 12:24:52 PM »
@Georgemay:

I am not sure that you would need that early example of an insulator to replicate Stubblefield's device. 
Bill

Bill,
The only difference between todays and earlier insulators was ability of the moisture to penetrate it.  I read somewhere that coil needs sometimes more than a week to be buried to allow for the "saturation".  What saturation we don't know.  That could be moisture saturation.   If  Stubblefield bifillar coil act as capacitor on the on the other hand (Thanks Hans for suggestion)  then todays magnet's wire insulation might be to thin to allow for the proper spacing.  I have seen movie on YouTube where a guy use magnet wire and sand off insulation to expose copper wire.  The experiment didn't bring any significant effects.

If I won't find the right wire then the only option left would be to wind both wire bare with a fishing line or cotton string between them to act as insulator.
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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #323 on: December 17, 2007, 07:19:35 PM »
@ georgemay:

I see what you are saying.  I also agree with Hans that possibly this acting as a capacitor of some sort and by "saturate" Stubblefield might have meant with electricity, building up a charge.  As I have stated many times, I am not an electronics or electrical expert by any means and am still learning every day but, please correct me if I am wrong, if you have a cotton insulator that becomes wet with a conductive fluid (water) would that not just short the works as if there were no insulator at all?  I know that you can buy cotton tubing in various sizes (I.D and O.D.) and it comes on a roll.  We used to have some at our machining facility years ago.  You could thread some of that over a bare wire to replicate the older type wire assembly.  The size we had would have been perfect for covering say a 16 ga. bare wire.  I can not remember what the heck we ever bought it for but we were doing some weird stuff in those days. (1975-1994)  Possibly an electrical supply house could order it if you can't find it on the net.

So, maybe the cotton acts as an insulator or semi-insulator when wet and when between the conductors...presto...capacitor.  As you start to make your coil, I would love to see pictures of it if you could post some.

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« Reply #324 on: December 17, 2007, 07:42:10 PM »
G'day all,

I am not at all certain that the galvanic action is necessary for the operation of the coil. If it is there is a way to make the coil without having to resort to cotton sheathed wire.

You MUST use bare copper and iron wire!

Wind your two wires on a coil former one layer at a time making sure the wires don't touch.

Make up a small batch of paper mache and paint the layer with that. Leave to dry and paint again if necessary to make sure there is a layer of paper mache between the wires everywhere, wind your next layer and repeat the process. This will give you your galvanic element.

Toilet paper makes an excellent paper mache.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #325 on: December 17, 2007, 09:31:24 PM »
@ Jeanna:

My original led still lights from the single cell and yes, I am using a carbon rod mail ordered from a welding supply shop here in town.

 I wish I lived near a beach as I would love to try my cell there and see if it would work in dry sand and just tap into any available telluric currents.  That would be a great control experiment to do.  Dry sand without any electrolite present...water, salt, etc.

Bill

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What I don't get is how that LED of yours lights up.

Here is some of my experience: I was frustrated with my inabilities to follow Teslas papers a few years ago and took a high school electronics class that was open to adults, In the class I made a bunch of LED candles to learn about circuits and to use. I had to make them for 2 AAA batteries with a resistor because one 1.5v battery won't light a LED. A LED needs 1.65v  sometimes more just  to begin lighting.  The same LED will actually burn up and char with 3 v. I think 33ma is the amperage I aimed for with full batteries but that was a mixture of lasting and brightness. (I bought my LED's from allelectronics.com.  good  cheap  timely.

OK so how did you get that diode to start up with what you got from one cell??? This is serious new stuff, I think.
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« Reply #326 on: December 18, 2007, 12:11:58 AM »
ok so copper plated steel sounds better to me than just strait copper :p then you have essentially a copper pipe with a iron core for a more magnetic conducting or resonating experience?  damn,..... now i have to try! making a trip later i guess to lows :D  on a side note if i can find some steel i might try to solder that to the pole later (depending on results) and see if wrapping iron around copper electrode helps? iron conducts magnetics which in theory is just electricity to a certain extent, so both wires soldered onto the electrode if it gets any magnetic current should i would think do a nice magnetic inductance and if theres any electrical potential in it, just add that too :-p

what kind of crazy invention am i coming up with? iron around copper 8ft pole with a crippled tesla coil haha i wonder if it will work! ohh crap im drooling......  :o

edit:  oh and why bills cap and poles work? i think because somehow there is a "resonating frequency" or a modulating frequency, rather its amps or volts i think that our readings are just an average because the volt meter cannot read them that fast! i am VERY interested to see what a scope will read like the old school kind with the monochrome screen and the little dot scrolling up and down :p i loved it in school too....

the question is ... does the earth have a heart beat?

if a lightning bolt strikes in tokyo do we get a wave of electricity that bounces in a circular pattern around the world till it finally dies or meets its resistance quota?

maybe what we are getting is a constant lightning bolt trickle effect down our rods? theres a lot of metal in the earth to tap it and we need to find the sweet spot! well im out wife is waiting

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« Reply #327 on: December 18, 2007, 12:58:53 AM »
@ Jeanna:

Well, I wish I could explain it to you in an intelligent manner but, I don't really know.  I do know that when I first hooked up the cell with the carbon rod and magnesium block the led lit but maybe about 25% bright.  Then, I soldered in a small cap (which is made in China and I cant read the specs, about the size of a hearing aid battery) which I shorted out by getting the polarity wrong on the first try.  I tested it....dead...no volts.  When I hooked that up the led was now maybe 50-60% bright and, it was charging the cap while lit.  After about 30 minutes, I removed the "circuit" and brought it inside.  The led lights off that cap and, still does today even though it has been weeks since I had it hooked up to the cell.  No, I did not leave it burning for all this time, total time illuminated is probably in the neighborhood of 4-6 hours.  what I am really amazed at is that the cap does not appear to "leak" down like I have read that they do.  When my new leds come in from China, I want to see how many I can light up with, and without a larger cap.  I am still trying to figure out how to wire the cell in series for two of them.  I know it should be simple but, I can't seem to get it. As I said in a previous post, there are all types of leds with different ratings.  I paid $5 for this ONE at Radio Shack and now have ordered 40+ from China for $8 which includes shipping!!!!!! (That's total cost)  The rating on the box of the led says..."1.7 volts, 20 mA, 3000mcd."  I don't even know what the mcd is except I think it refers to the brightness?  I also don't know if 1.7volts is the minimum or the maximum or how they rate these things.  I can light it from a single AA bat. (1.5 vdc) but it is not as bright as when hooked to the cell outside.  I have to say that Artic Knight makes some good points about the possible limitations on modern digital voltmeters, ammeters, etc.  My guess is that if I use a larger capacitor and the same thing happens where it will charge while lighting, I believe I can get 2-5 leds burning, maybe more.  I guess this shows what a boring person I am because this is my idea of fun. Ha ha.

Artic Knight:

Did you see the video near the beginning of this thread with the guy with the ground rod and a large, bright led running off it? (He used it to light his bathroom at night as a nightlight)  If not, check it out.  You may be really able to pull some amps out of the earth like he said he did.  I live in an apartment and if I drove an 8 foot rod into the earth, I don't know how I would ever remove it.  Of course, when I move, I guess I could just hammer it down below the surface? I seriously doubt that you will be able to solder anything to the grounding rod as it will act as one very large heat sink and draw off the heat faster than you could add it.  That's why I fashioned a ring out of copper strand wire and tinned it making the inside diameter just the right size to slip over (friction fit) the carbon rod.  I know they make grounding straps that are kind of like a hose clamp that attaches to the ground rods so a wire can be attached, you could try that.  And yes, the earth does have a resonant frequency, I have seen several number as to what it is but it is very low.  Do you think this is "fooling" the capacitor into charging while having a load on it?  Maybe it is like charging the cap with an ac component? Or pulsed dc?  So many questions, so many experiments to perform. You are right about the scope, I would love to see what it looks like with this voltage and current. I don't even really know how to use one but I will learn.  Someone posted that I could rent one which would be cool, as soon as I get some money.

Just a thought...what if the earth is a very large capacitor?  I mean, we have an isolated body that consists of both conducting and insulating materials all mixed together don't we?  Continually being charged by millions of lightning strikes a day and....what about all of those electrons being pumped into the "ground" from everyone's household circuits??  And, on the battery side, we have a planet that is 3/4 water but, not just water, seawater or....an electrolight.  So, it may be both a battery and a capacitor?????

Bill

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« Reply #328 on: December 18, 2007, 02:36:05 AM »
@ Jeanna:

Well, I wish I could explain it to you in an intelligent manner but, I don't really know.  I do know that when I first hooked up the cell with the carbon rod and magnesium block the led lit but maybe about 25% bright.  Then, I soldered in a small cap (which is made in China and I cant read the specs, about the size of a hearing aid battery) which I shorted out by getting the polarity wrong on the first try.  I tested it....dead...no volts.  When I hooked that up the led was now maybe 50-60% bright and, it was charging the cap while lit. 

It is not sposed to be able to do that. When I did the LED off a cap in a self designed experiment in that class, I had to unhook it and juice the cap then rehook it. because I was told that the cap would let the juice out the way it came in only. I had this question when I saw that video too. I wondered how big a set up that guy had to power so many leds in his bathroom.
I think this is potentially something really big. well, subtle too.

I think it was this thread where I got the link to a guy talking about radionics and short wave radios coming from the earth where the signal got better over time. etc. subtle and very big too.

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After about 30 minutes, I removed the "circuit" and brought it inside.  The led lights off that cap and, still does today even though it has been weeks since I had it hooked up to the cell.  No, I did not leave it burning for all this time, total time illuminated is probably in the neighborhood of 4-6 hours.

wow!  Maybe you could see how long it will run if you leave it on.
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 what I am really amazed at is that the cap does not appear to "leak" down like I have read that they do. 

Not really, they actually recharge and you have to be really careful with the big ones because you can get a big shock when you thought the thing was drained and it can last for a very long time. (I wanna say years.) but they don't discharge by themselves.
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 When my new leds come in from China, I want to see how many I can light up with, and without a larger cap.  I am still trying to figure out how to wire the cell in series for two of them.  I know it should be simple but, I can't seem to get it.
You should just solder the short leads to the long leads and chain them. Use LEDs from the same batch because if some have fewer atoms of doping than others some will take the juice and not the rest. I think parallel is the ticket for a string, but I never tried it.
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As I said in a previous post, there are all types of leds with different ratings.  I paid $5 for this ONE at Radio Shack and now have ordered 40+ from China for $8 which includes shipping!!!!!! (That's total cost)  The rating on the box of the led says..."1.7 volts, 20 mA, 3000mcd."  I don't even know what the mcd is except I think it refers to the brightness?  I also don't know if 1.7volts is the minimum or the maximum or how they rate these things.  I can light it from a single AA bat. (1.5 vdc) but it is not as bright as when hooked to the cell outside. 

So, 1.7v is the minimum start up, but don't pay any attention to that because you are invoking some kind of (magic) just ignore that.
20mA is how many mA the light needs to shine its brightest. I think more than this won't make it brighter??
3000mcd is minicandelas or microcandelas for its maximum brightness.
One thing really interesting about leds is that if there is less juice they will use less. I had a rack of experimental candles going for about a month 24 x 7. Finally I couldn't see the light anymore and stopped the experiment.

Please describe for me how exactly you have put this together. I want to make one. I have lots of leds left over from that class and I need some outdoor lights and I'd love to make them with earth batteries and caps. It is too dark too often and my solar path light doesn't glow enough.

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I fashioned a ring out of copper strand wire and tinned it making the inside diameter just the right size to slip over (friction fit) the carbon rod.
Is that one lead? what did you attach to the copper or was it magnesium that you used? then which side of the cap? + or - and where did you attach the led?  eesh!  please describe.


So many question is right. Who needs to sleep?  ;D

and oh dear I was thinking the earth was a big electric motor not a capacitor, maybe a pot cap? more when there is a sun spot.

jeanna

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« Reply #329 on: December 18, 2007, 03:25:23 AM »
Jeanna:

This is the third time I have attempted to post this!!  It keeps telling me I have already posted this but it does not post it so..I re-write it and...it says I have already posted this.  So...one more time.

I am trying to post 3 pics.  The first is just a pic of the magnesium block (minus) in the ground with a jumper wire clipped on to it.  The second is the carbon rod and copper wire ring (postiive) and the third is the led circuit. The red wire, + comes off the + side of the cap. and will reach the + side of the led but is only soldered to the cap for now.  The blue wire comes off the - side of the cap and is soldered to the - side of the led.  when I want to light the led I just move the red wire to the + led lead and presto.  When attached to the cell the clip from the carbon rod jumper keeps the red wire and the led lead together along with the copper ring.  The - side of the cap is attached to the jumper coming off the mag. block (-).  If you watch my video maybe it will make more sense to you.  If not, let me know and I will answer any questions you may have.