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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1325184 times)

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #150 on: November 19, 2007, 10:04:20 PM »
The DC fed into the coil must be interrupted for the coil to fire. In the high voltage circuits using automotive coils they use some sort of oscillator often a 555 timer circuit to generate the pulses. In the old cars, before electronic ignition the DC was interrupted by a mechanical device (remember the old points?)

For the coil to function you need either AC or pulsed DC. Straight DC does nothing but burn the primary out.

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« Reply #150 on: November 19, 2007, 10:04:20 PM »

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« Reply #151 on: November 20, 2007, 12:34:49 AM »
Hans:

Thanks, that makes sense to me now.  Yes, I remember the old ignition points.  Good thing about them was, you could always file them a bit and get home.  Now a chip overheats and you are stuck.  So, the points initiated/created the pulse.  Excellent, thanks again.

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« Reply #152 on: November 20, 2007, 05:05:24 AM »
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/032403a.htm

The entire article is at the above link.  But here is a most interesting section:

"Voila!  By such techniques, one can suddenly get real power out of the earth and ordinary materials in certain structuring, and plenty of it is available as one gradually learns to manipulate those self-orderings. One can power a house, etc. -- and in very peculiar fashion.  The WALLS can be made to emit light, e.g., and so can the earth outside the earth itself. One of the pioneers, Stubblefield (before Tesla; we have a photo of folks watching a Stubblefield demo, where Tesla is in the onlookers) powered and lit his cabin this way, and he often stimulated the surrounding hills so the earth in them emitted light and lit up the entire area.  He also produced electrical power for his cabin this way."

This guy has a theory about what might be going on but I don't understand it. (I am not sure if he does either)

I also read in another article that Stubblefield somehow vibrated his coils at rf levels which is why he is credited by the town of Murry, KY and a fairly recent court decision, as the original inventer of radio.  I can post a link about that one as well if anyone is interested.

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« Reply #152 on: November 20, 2007, 05:05:24 AM »
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« Reply #153 on: November 20, 2007, 05:31:43 AM »
Here are (hopefully) some pictures from earth battery patents.

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« Reply #154 on: November 20, 2007, 06:09:46 AM »
G'day Bill and all.

Here is one of my better finds. The picture below is of Stubblefield's school that he set up with the help of Tesla.
The top right hand picture shows Stubblefield with his family and some of his equipment. in the bottom left corner of that picture is a box of Stubblefield's earth batteries. I have enlarged this section a little and posted it underneath.

Have fun.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #155 on: November 20, 2007, 08:50:51 AM »
Ah ha i found the answer to the cap and the tree, check this out Bill and Hans this seems to be more on point for our initial findings here

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Source: KeelyNet / Jerry Decker email (12/21/05)

"Unlimited Electric Energy from the Environment?"






An alternative electric power generating system that draws energy from a seemingly unlikely yet abundant, eminently renewable and virtually free power source has been submitted for patenting by MagCap Engineering, LLC, Canton, Mass., in collaboration with Gordon W. Wadle, an inventor from Thomson, Ill. Wadle has invented a way to capture the energy generated by a living non- animal organism --- such as a tree.

Chris Lagadinos, president of MagCap, developed circuitry that converts this natural energy source into useable DC power capable of sustaining a continuous current to charge and maintain a battery at full charge.

"As unbelievable as it sounds, we've been able to demonstrate the feasibility of generating electricity in this manner," said Wadle.

"While the development is in its infancy, it has the potential to provide an unlimited supply of constant, clean energy without relying on fossil fuels, a power generating plant complex or an elaborate transmission network."

Wadle likened the invention to the discovery of electricity over 200 years ago when charged particles were harnessed to create an electric current. "Now we've learned that there is an immense, inexhaustible source of energy literally all around us that can be harnessed and converted into usable electric power," he said. Ultimately, it should prove to be more practical than solar energy or wind power, and certainly more affordable than fuel cells, he added.

Wadle said he got the original idea of harnessing a tree for electrical energy from studying lightening, more than 50 percent of which originates from the ground. This prompted him to develop the theories resulting in a method to access this power source.

Lagadinos then designed circuitry that filtered and amplified these energy emanations, creating a useable power source.

Basically, the existing system includes a metal rod embedded in the tree, a grounding rod driven into the ground, and the connecting circuitry, which filters and boosts the power output sufficient to charge a battery.

In its current experimental configuration, the demonstration system produces 2.1 volts, enough to continuously maintain a full charge in a nickel cadmium battery attached to an LED light. "Think of the environment as a battery, in this case," said Lagadinos, "with the tree as the positive pole and the grounding rod as the negative."

Lagadinos said the system could be enhanced enough to generate 12 volts and one amp of power, "a desirable power level that could be used to power just about anything," he said. It is enough power to charge batteries for any type of vehicle, including hybrids and electric cars, or to use with an AC converter to produce household power, he added. The LED industry is a prime example of a potential user of this power source.

While the basic concept of this invention -- using a tree to generate electric power -- seems too incredible to be true, Lagadinos said it can be demonstrated quite simply. "Simply drive an aluminum roofing nail through the bark and into the wood of a tree -- any tree -- approximately one half inch; drive a copper water pipe six or seven inches into the ground, then get a standard off-the-shelf digital volt meter and attach one probe to the pipe, the other to the nail and you'll get a reading of anywhere from 0.8 to 1.2 volts of DC power," he said.

"You can't do anything with it in that form because it is 'dirty' -- i.e. highly unstable and too weak to power anything," he added. In order to properly harness this potential energy source, MagCap devised two test circuits: one with three capacitors that were connected in parallel by means of a switch and charged to 0.7 volts each.

When fully charged they are switched to a series mode, multiplying the voltage to 2.1 volts and flashing an LED to show that sufficient power could be generated to produce a useable result. The second circuit included a filtering device to stabilize and "clean" the current so it could be used to charge and maintain a NiCad battery.

The battery then could be connected to the LED to keep the LED lit continuously. Wadle pointed out that there seems to be no limit to the amount of power that can be drawn from an individual tree, no matter how many "taps" are inserted -- each produces the same amount of energy, an average of 0.7 - 0.8 volts. Size of the tree also seems not to matter.

Interestingly, while conventional wisdom would seem to indicate that the tree draws much of its energy from photosynthesis via its leaves, the voltage output actually increases to 1.2-1.3 volts in the winter after the leaves have fallen.

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« Reply #156 on: November 20, 2007, 09:14:54 AM »
@ Localjoe:

Excellent find man!  I see what they did with the caps, they got.7 volts and used three caps in series to achieve 2.1 vdc.  Heck, we are getting more than that out of the initial tests. (more than their .7 vdc)  So, I can hook up three caps to my 1.6 and get 4.8 vdc?  My gut opinion/guess is that they are also tapping into the telluric currents by using the trees.  I think they are incorrect about the power coming from the trees, I think it is coming from the earth through the trees.  But, who knows?  I have only one tree here that I can test but since I rent, I don't own it.  Oh well, no one will notice a small hole here or there.  This is an interesting twist of events. Thanks.

@Hans:

Great pictures.  His batteries are smaller than I envisioned them.  I sure wish we could get our hands on one for examination.

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« Reply #157 on: November 20, 2007, 10:30:37 AM »
There is perhaps more to this than meets the eye, some of it not so good.

This is an excerpt from an article about Stubblefield written by one of his grandchildren:

 ?  Grandpa was now once again blamed by his wife of 36 years for accidently poisoning three of their nine children through inadvertencies. Neither, at the time of their experimenting with various mixtures of Pitchblende and salt crystals within their 85 farmland soil, knew it was contaminating Teleph-on-delgreen. From 1881 to 1906, the soil-coil RF antenna "hotspots" -- that made it possible for Grandpa Nathan Stubblefield to develop and patent the 1898 induction earth batteries and 1908 Wireless Telephone? -- did contaminate their foodstuffs and water.
? ? It wasn't until 1906 when their son Tesla died teething on a potato from one of the RF antenna "hotspots," -- that they realized that it could have been the RF antenna "hotspots," mixtures of Pitchblende, salt crystals and other active metals that created the healthy looking but tainted vegetable gardens. The watermelons, tobacco and other vegetation they had commenced growing and selling since their courtship in 1880, when he was 20 and Ada Mae, 16 years of age became an invitation for both invention and the destruction of a family.
? ? They couldn't shake the sense of dread, so Ada Mae on their 36th anniversary, 1917, left Grandpa Nat stranded. He moved his gear to a one room hut and became a stranger than fiction recluse. On summer nights, he would shock his neighbors by lighting up hill sides from his hut, with his buried RF induction transmitting coils.


One wonders what he did to the ground, the batteries as patented could not do this.

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #158 on: November 20, 2007, 10:53:34 AM »
The concept of getting higher voltages by charging capacitors got me thinking.  After quite a bit of googling, it seems we want something like this:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/hv/cw1.htm
That's a Cockroft Walton Voltage Multiplier, which uses standard capas and diodes to boost the output.   We'd have to see what the diode does since voltages are so low to start with.  I was thinking that the output of this could be connected to a battery through a transistor & op-amp with hysteresis.   If for example we get 1 V that charges up out voltage octoplier, we'd eventually get 8V at the output.  We could then switch on our transistor and pipe this energy into a 4.5V or 6V battery.  When voltage reaches say 6V, the op-amp switches the transistor off and the charging starts again. 
I'm not an electronics pro but may be able to put this together if it's interesting to all.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2007, 02:35:06 PM by akashh »

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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #159 on: November 20, 2007, 05:01:05 PM »
Yes deffiantly i was going to tell all that im going to try a small voltge x ing circuit before a stubblefield coil ... and we'd love to see your idea.  Ive got a few old computer psu's with plenty of parts i can unsolder ,i think it has a bunch of the 35 v cap's fat ones tho should be a nice test when we arc a screwdriver across the cap terminals. 8)   
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« Reply #160 on: November 20, 2007, 05:51:17 PM »
Update, tests.

Got a break in the weather for the last couple of days, plus some free time, so following up on the previous test results and additional configurations:

Maintaining control parameters
Test parameters as before but oriented East-West
Used 2 Zinc Hot Dipped Nails 12? long 3/8? Dia ( 30cm L x 1 cm Dia)
Driven into the ground to a depth of 10 Inches (25 cm)
Distance apart 23 feet (7 m)

 Readings:
No resistor (open circuit)
Voltage 0.001 mV DC (trickle effect due to multimeter?)
Ofc as expected over a 1k zero voltage and zero current

However:
This is in contrast to the some readings using the same setup North-South, see previous tests, so based on this, there maybe something to telluric currents
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3500.msg58636.html#msg58636
and
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3500.msg57637.html#msg57637

Now some interesting readings using zinc-copper couple
Using 1 zinchotdipped Nail as above and ?? DIA Copper pipe driven to same depth as above and same distance apart, oriented East-West
Readings:
No resistor
Voltage 0.87 VDC
Current 1.02 mA (using multimeter and whatever its shunt is inside)

Over 1k resistor (1024Ohm)
Voltage 0.51 Vdc
Resulting in 0.49 mA

Next same as above but orientation N(zinc)-S(copper)
Open Voltage .877 VDC
Over 1K resistance
0.456 VDC
Resulting in 0.45mA

Next same as above but N(copper)-S(zinc)
Open Voltage 0.834 VDC
Over 1k
0.342 VDC
Resulting in 0.33 mA

Measurments were taken under load (1k) for 2 days sampling . Over 10 readings the numbers were within 0.003 VDC so pretty tight and repeatable.

Some thoughts.
For these configurations the current (even though apparently constant for the 2 day period) is fairly low for lighting up an eg LED with one couple of rods Maybe at more depth and surface area contact plus multiple couples, it would be able to light up some high efficiency ultrabright LEDs all year around. Could be an interesting setup for the flower bed area.
It appears from the Zinc-Zinc tests, that it is not a pure galvanic reaction but some other effect come in play.
It also appears that N-S does effect (positively) the output. And with dissimilar metals, in this case zinc/copper, when copper is positioned N there is a slight advantage.

What?s interesting, is that there is a Voltage across zinc/copper couple when they are oriented East-West, is this galvanic reaction then?
Also tested at 2 .3 ft apart east west z-cu and got similar readings.

Good thread, nice contributions from many members.

Pirate88179, yeah the utility services check is a must do and it?s free, These folks shared some interesting stories, one customer cracked the gas line while trying to install his own fence posts.(code here calls for 32 inch min depth). Another went clear through the power cable had to get EMS involved as he got both a nasty shock and minor burn.

hansvonlieven, good sleuthing on the  Stubblefield's work/patents.
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Re: Earth battery expermients
« Reply #161 on: November 20, 2007, 06:21:05 PM »
What actually happens when earth batteries are put in series or parallel? Do they behave like normal batteries?

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« Reply #162 on: November 20, 2007, 07:03:00 PM »
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In its current experimental configuration, the demonstration system produces 2.1 volts, enough to continuously maintain a full charge in a nickel cadmium battery attached to an LED light. "Think of the environment as a battery, in this case," said Lagadinos, "with the tree as the positive pole and the grounding rod as the negative."


The above quote is from the article posted by Localjoe on the tree energy project.  I went out this a.m. for a minute and used my voltmeter on my tree and learned something.  First, they have the polarity backward in the article from what I just experienced.  Maybe that was a type of disinformation, who knows.  Maybe there are positive and negative trees? I got .17 vdc by stabbing my -lead into the tree and the + lead into the earth.  Both probes were only in about 1/4 inch deep.

@Mikestock:

Great work, keep it up.

@ Hans:
This makes it sound like he was seeding his "hotspot" areas with some dangerous chemicals.  Or, could it have been the decomposition of his copper that Stefan warned us about in an earlier thread? He was concerned we would poision our gardens.  Great research Hans, but I don't really like this news.

@Gaby:
I only attempted to effect a series test one time and once I attached the lead to tie the + -, to the next +- it shorted the whole works out to 0.  I probably need some guidance from you electronics guys out there to do this correctly.

Bill

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« Reply #163 on: November 20, 2007, 07:22:04 PM »
@ akashh:

Cockroft Walton Voltage Multipliers

Thanks for this info.  Can you or any of the electronics guys out there tell me how to build one?  I see the circuit diagram but it would be helpful to have a list of required components, then I could see if I were up to the task.  This sounds ideal for charging the caps....big caps.

Thanks,

Bill

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« Reply #164 on: November 20, 2007, 07:27:15 PM »
What actually happens when earth batteries are put in series or parallel? Do they behave like normal batteries?

Yes Gaby, they do.

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