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Offline AB Hammer

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A working ball wheel
« on: October 17, 2007, 06:21:07 PM »
Well how would you like one that works? but isn't worth any thing more than a toy. It doesn't have any torque to speak of, and it won't run a generator. But it does solve the problems of ball wheels of the past. It is so touche that if you build it wrong/rough it probably wouldn't even run well.
So you will need to build it with good precision, and then watch it go around, and around. I thought about saving this one for my step sons school project but it would be cheating.

So guys put this one on your computer 2d and 3d programs, and go for it.

OH! PS I nicknamed it the Klingon wheel. and 6+ disk will work best.


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A working ball wheel
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Re: A working ball wheel
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2007, 09:49:54 PM »
Well how would you like one that works? but isn't worth any thing more than a toy. It doesn't have any torque to speak of, and it won't run a generator. But it does solve the problems of ball wheels of the past. It is so touche that if you build it wrong/rough it probably wouldn't even run well.
So you will need to build it with good precision, and then watch it go around, and around. I thought about saving this one for my step sons school project but it would be cheating.

So guys put this one on your computer 2d and 3d programs, and go for it.

OH! PS I nicknamed it the Klingon wheel. and 6+ disk will work best.


Alain , you can use DISKs  or wheels "init" instead of balls ,
the deviice will come more "compact"  .
If this can work , i give you an better solution for the driving Weigts (discs) in in . Possibly the "Rosencruizers" have used them to
have "energy" centuries ago.
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Re: A working ball wheel
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2007, 10:48:05 PM »
Yes Pese

To make it narrower, yes you can use disk, you just have to make the wheel large enough to fit the different diameters for the distance on the drop side.

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Re: A working ball wheel
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2007, 10:49:33 PM »
Sorry Hammer,

Good try. The idea of bringing the balls to the centre and allowing them to freewheel rather than lifting them above the axle has merit. Still the design will not work.

The first flaw in your design is the curve on the bottom. The position where you drew your ball is incorrect, it cannot get there because of the curve. This will deprive you of approximately ten degrees of usable arc. Better to use a straight line as indicated by my addition.

This is easily fixed.

What is not so easily fixed is that you only have about 80 degrees of arc under torque, where you require 120 degrees to bring the next ball into play.

The best way to test these designs is to make a cardboard wheel, draw your arrangement on it, suspend it on the axle with a nail and stick some coins with double sided adhesive tape into the positions where the balls should be for any given position. You will soon see where the problems are without having to build a full model.

Good try though, but it's back to the drawing board on this one I'm afraid.

And this is a place where all of us have been many, many times :-)

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Re: A working ball wheel
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2007, 11:00:05 PM »
you will notice that he actually has six "wheels" so the effective angle between each is not 120 which it would be with three wheels but 60 degrees, and as you stated yourself there is about 80 degrees of usable torque, so his design is not disproven yet. I assume he just put in 3 for ease of explanation.

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Re: A working ball wheel
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2007, 11:04:10 PM »
Still does not work, the relationships are the same.

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Re: A working ball wheel
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2007, 11:40:18 PM »
Great talking to you Hans

I agree with you on the straighter line instead but to a milder dip. That is my first drawing and that design allows the ball to finish more in the direction of the rotation which gives less vibration of the ball or disk of hitting the outer wall. I have 2 other versions that came from this wheel design with other effects. And if you look a little closer you will see the the third ball or disk is not a drain from the dropping ball or disk. It is rolling as well around the lower tracking ready to drop on its time. It does work better with six for my test (pleas don't laugh) with cardboard and duct tape I built a 3 plate version and it ran fine until one of the ball fell out the seam. But I felt it was time to build it in Plexiglas  so people could see the ball or disk rolling. Then I started improving it  which will give a little more power and speed, so I backburnered the first wheel for the better design.

The little drawing in the lower corner, is just to give an ideal of how they are supposed to be stacked. It is not precise.

So please check again and use 6, but account for the 3rd positioon which will the have a ball rolling in at the same time a ball is rolling out with the six disk.

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Re: A working ball wheel
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2007, 11:55:32 PM »
G'day Hammer,

I will never laugh at someone who makes a cardboard and duct-tape mock up of a design in order to test a principle. This is common sense and good practice before committing time and resources to a full scale prototype. 

Far too often I have seen people spending large amounts of time and money on something only to find out that it does not work, when a few simple tests could have established that.

Keep going, I will make a mock up of the amended version and see what happens.

Good luck

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Re: A working ball wheel
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2007, 01:41:56 AM »
Cardboard mockup is a great idea and I have done that sometimes
even in my office just to see quickly. But the problem I have seen
many times is look at the weights below the axle - usually they are bottom
heavy and will not rotate.

Its easy to get one to move but not so easy to get it to reset and make
another move.

Norman

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Re: A working ball wheel
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2007, 01:55:35 AM »
norman6538

Yes the balls or disk are under the axle, but you have missed that there are none to be lifted over the axle eather. It is like its own orbit causing the wheel to move, as if you where in a big wheel as you walk up the wall the the big wheel roles. Now it may only work in a light wheel for I only consider this wheel a toy, but for us it is a great toy.

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Re: A working ball wheel
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2007, 02:01:32 AM »
built a 3 plate version and it ran fine until one of the ball fell out the seam.

Hi Hammer,
did you videotape it ?
How long did it run ?
Did it selfaccelerate a bit or did you just give it a spin manually
and it just rotated from the push until the ball fell out ?

Can you rebuild it and show it in a video running ?
Many thanks.

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Re: A working ball wheel
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2007, 02:05:18 AM »
Would a software simulation show this as working?

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Re: A working ball wheel
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2007, 02:25:20 AM »
hartiberlin

No I didn't video tape it and I only have the patterns and here are a couple of photos of these. I am even showing the 8 pattern and if you look close you will see why I didn't use it. The sets of 3 work so much better.

For running it ran about 10 minuts before the ball fell out, and it got alot rougher towards the end it was tearing up bad so I only kept the patterns.

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Re: A working ball wheel
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2007, 02:28:57 AM »
Hi Hammer,
can you still show the actual unit ?
Or did you destroy it ?

So it did run 10 minutes overcoming friction ?
Without giving it a big push at start time ?


Can you build it up again and show it running in a video ?
Many thanks.

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Re: A working ball wheel
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2007, 02:39:32 AM »
Smeg! since I showed the patterns I will show you the second version. But not the 3rd version for it has something extra, and it will work just the same according to the math, as Besslers 12 ft wheel.

 

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